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Posted: 7/6/2012 1:14:28 AM EDT

Police say a man who pulled out a gun and tried to rob a convenience store ended up getting shot in the head by a customer.


Goldsboro Police say 27-year-old Christopher Vann of Faison attempted to rob the Kangaroo Express at 901 W. Grantham street just after 3:00 a.m. Tuesday.








Link Posted: 7/6/2012 1:17:06 AM EDT
[#1]
Good shoot!
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 1:17:06 AM EDT
[#2]
Good shoot, but what the hell was he using that a headshot didn't kill?
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 1:18:13 AM EDT
[#3]
Good shoot, could have been better; double tap FTW.
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 1:20:08 AM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
Police say a man who pulled out a gun and tried to rob a convenience store ended up getting shot in the head by a customer.

Goldsboro Police say 27-year-old Christopher Vann of Faison attempted to rob the Kangaroo Express at 901 W. Grantham street just after 3:00 a.m. Tuesday.







So he shot him while the guy was escaping with cash?

Let me be clear, I don't like thieves at all or condone theft in any way, however if he was not going to kill or harm anyone and just wanted to escape it would not be a good shoot imo.

So was he shot while trying to get away or when he was threatening/robbing the store employee?

Link Posted: 7/6/2012 1:20:19 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/6/2012 1:23:57 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
Good shoot, but what the hell was he using that a headshot didn't kill?


Head Shots are difficult to begin with when attempted with little or no stress.

They are even more difficult (if not futile) while under stress.

There has to be more to the story on this one.
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 1:24:00 AM EDT
[#7]
This may get interesting...
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 1:28:46 AM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Good shoot, but what the hell was he using that a headshot didn't kill?


Head Shots are difficult to begin with when attempted with little or no stress.

They are even more difficult (if not futile) while under stress.

There has to be more to the story on this one.


I know a guy that had a 5.56 (I think during Bosnia) go up through his chin and out of his skull. My step mum provided him with physiotherapy.
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 1:31:31 AM EDT
[#9]



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Good shoot, but what the hell was he using that a headshot didn't kill?




Head Shots are difficult to begin with when attempted with little or no stress.



They are even more difficult (if not futile) while under stress.



There has to be more to the story on this one.




I know a guy that had a 5.56 (I think during Bosnia) go up through his chin and out of his skull. My step mum provided him with physiotherapy.


Friendly fire?  Self-inflicted?

 
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 1:32:03 AM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
Good shoot, but what the hell was he using that a headshot didn't kill?


45 ACP
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 1:33:21 AM EDT
[#11]
Good shoot.



POS down cleanup aisle four.
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 1:41:03 AM EDT
[#12]




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Police say a man who pulled out a gun and tried to rob a convenience store ended up getting shot in the head by a customer.





Goldsboro Police say 27-year-old Christopher Vann of Faison attempted to rob the Kangaroo Express at 901 W. Grantham street just after 3:00 a.m. Tuesday.



















So he shot him while the guy was escaping with cash?



Let me be clear, I don't like thieves at all or condone theft in any way, however if he was not going to kill or harm anyone and just wanted to escape it would not be a good shoot imo.



So was he shot while trying to get away or when he was threatening/robbing the store employee?







Going to have to disagree there.  Someone who has committed a crime like robbery or who is fleeing with property should be able to be shot.  Use of force should not be limited to pure self-defence of life.
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 1:43:36 AM EDT
[#13]
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Police say a man who pulled out a gun and tried to rob a convenience store ended up getting shot in the head by a customer.

Goldsboro Police say 27-year-old Christopher Vann of Faison attempted to rob the Kangaroo Express at 901 W. Grantham street just after 3:00 a.m. Tuesday.







So he shot him while the guy was escaping with cash?

Let me be clear, I don't like thieves at all or condone theft in any way, however if he was not going to kill or harm anyone and just wanted to escape it would not be a good shoot imo.

So was he shot while trying to get away or when he was threatening/robbing the store employee?



Legally, you are correct.
But I wouldn't vote to convict.
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 1:48:58 AM EDT
[#14]
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Let me be clear, I don't like thieves at all or condone theft in any way, however if he was not going to kill or harm anyone and just wanted to escape it would not be a good shoot imo.



Also:
At the time of the incident, Vann was being sought by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms for outstanding narcotics and firearm violations.

This guy was a known criminal and judging by his actions at the Kangaroo express (armed robbery), he was a potential shooter of a future innocent victim. May he rest in pieces.



Good shoot.



Link Posted: 7/6/2012 2:07:15 AM EDT
[#15]
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Good shoot, but what the hell was he using that a headshot didn't kill?


Head Shots are difficult to begin with when attempted with little or no stress.

They are even more difficult (if not futile) while under stress.

There has to be more to the story on this one.


I know a guy that had a 5.56 (I think during Bosnia) go up through his chin and out of his skull. My step mum provided him with physiotherapy.


I've seen several headshots, some lived. It's not impossible. I was a medic and had to treat them and medevac. I landed two headshots and had to treat the bastards afterwards. Kinda sucks when you have to treat a guy that you intended to kill. One took a hit to the upper right shoulder and into the neck, lots of blood lost but pulled through. The other was smack in the middle of his forehead, huge chunk of skull blown out. You could see his fucking brain. He was dizzy and confused but was walking and talking when he went on the bird.

Link Posted: 7/6/2012 2:09:36 AM EDT
[#16]
Not sure how it works in other places but in NC where the shooting happens may have as much to do with whether the CHL holder is charged or not charged as do the facts of the case, evidence, witnesses etc.
It would be unusual if there was no video of the event. If the CHL holder asserted he was in fear for his life and something the perp did or said was witnessed or was recorded on the video supporting that assertion end of story.

Next question is will the CHL holder now be hit with a civil action by the perp or his family and end up broke?

fisherman
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 2:17:47 AM EDT
[#17]
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Police say a man who pulled out a gun and tried to rob a convenience store ended up getting shot in the head by a customer.

Goldsboro Police say 27-year-old Christopher Vann of Faison attempted to rob the Kangaroo Express at 901 W. Grantham street just after 3:00 a.m. Tuesday.







So he shot him while the guy was escaping with cash?

Let me be clear, I don't like thieves at all or condone theft in any way, however if he was not going to kill or harm anyone and just wanted to escape it would not be a good shoot imo.

So was he shot while trying to get away or when he was threatening/robbing the store employee?


Good shoot. I don't care if he was jumping into a car. Scum is scum.

Give no quarter to dirtbags. Remember, that BG could victimize you or your wife and hurt y'all the next time.
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 2:20:10 AM EDT
[#18]
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Good shoot, but what the hell was he using that a headshot didn't kill?


Head Shots are difficult to begin with when attempted with little or no stress.

They are even more difficult (if not futile) while under stress.

There has to be more to the story on this one.


I know a guy that had a 5.56 (I think during Bosnia) go up through his chin and out of his skull. My step mum provided him with physiotherapy.


I've seen several headshots, some lived. It's not impossible. I was a medic and had to treat them and medevac. I landed two headshots and had to treat the bastards afterwards. Kinda sucks when you have to treat a guy that you intended to kill. One took a hit to the upper right shoulder and into the neck, lots of blood lost but pulled through. The other was smack in the middle of his forehead, huge chunk of skull blown out. You could see his fucking brain. He was dizzy and confused but was walking and talking when he went on the bird.


I believe the hardness and curvature of the skull lends well to a bullet glancing and traveling along the skull rather than penetrating without a direct hit. Makes it surprisingly common.
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 2:24:25 AM EDT
[#19]
BOOM HEADSHOT!!!!!!!

Link Posted: 7/6/2012 2:30:56 AM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Police say a man who pulled out a gun and tried to rob a convenience store ended up getting shot in the head by a customer.

Goldsboro Police say 27-year-old Christopher Vann of Faison attempted to rob the Kangaroo Express at 901 W. Grantham street just after 3:00 a.m. Tuesday.







So he shot him while the guy was escaping with cash?

Let me be clear, I don't like thieves at all or condone theft in any way, however if he was not going to kill or harm anyone and just wanted to escape it would not be a good shoot imo.

So was he shot while trying to get away or when he was threatening/robbing the store employee?


Just as matter of intellectual curiosity, aren't there states where lethal force is permitted to stop the commission of a felony?  

If there aren't, there should be.  All of them.  And the District of Columbia.  Puerto Rico too.  Fuck a bunch of armed robbers.  Right between the eyes.

Jane

Link Posted: 7/6/2012 2:40:20 AM EDT
[#21]
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Quoted:
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Good shoot, but what the hell was he using that a headshot didn't kill?


Head Shots are difficult to begin with when attempted with little or no stress.

They are even more difficult (if not futile) while under stress.

There has to be more to the story on this one.


I know a guy that had a 5.56 (I think during Bosnia) go up through his chin and out of his skull. My step mum provided him with physiotherapy.

Friendly fire?  Self-inflicted?  


Accidental self inflicted. I don't know the full story.
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 2:45:38 AM EDT
[#22]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Police say a man who pulled out a gun and tried to rob a convenience store ended up getting shot in the head by a customer.

Goldsboro Police say 27-year-old Christopher Vann of Faison attempted to rob the Kangaroo Express at 901 W. Grantham street just after 3:00 a.m. Tuesday.







So he shot him while the guy was escaping with cash?

Let me be clear, I don't like thieves at all or condone theft in any way, however if he was not going to kill or harm anyone and just wanted to escape it would not be a good shoot imo.

So was he shot while trying to get away or when he was threatening/robbing the store employee?



News flash for ya sport.  Don't be a criminal and you don't have to worry about being shot.  Play nice like most other citizens and no one but thugs will try to shoot you, try taking other peoples stuff and you can die from it.  

What are you some kind of bleeding heart liberal from DU?
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 2:47:34 AM EDT
[#23]
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Police say a man who pulled out a gun and tried to rob a convenience store ended up getting shot in the head by a customer.

Goldsboro Police say 27-year-old Christopher Vann of Faison attempted to rob the Kangaroo Express at 901 W. Grantham street just after 3:00 a.m. Tuesday.







So he shot him while the guy was escaping with cash?

Let me be clear, I don't like thieves at all or condone theft in any way, however if he was not going to kill or harm anyone and just wanted to escape it would not be a good shoot imo.

So was he shot while trying to get away or when he was threatening/robbing the store employee?



Well if you want to Monday morning quarter back, what would keep him from turning and start blasting.  Shit the BATFE was looking for the piece of shit already for weapons violations.

Maybe he car jacked your wife at the gas pump and raped her while counting his cash.  Get real with reality.

Link Posted: 7/6/2012 2:47:34 AM EDT
[#24]
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Police say a man who pulled out a gun and tried to rob a convenience store ended up getting shot in the head by a customer.

Goldsboro Police say 27-year-old Christopher Vann of Faison attempted to rob the Kangaroo Express at 901 W. Grantham street just after 3:00 a.m. Tuesday.







So he shot him while the guy was escaping with cash?

Let me be clear, I don't like thieves at all or condone theft in any way, however if he was not going to kill or harm anyone and just wanted to escape it would not be a good shoot imo.

So was he shot while trying to get away or when he was threatening/robbing the store employee?


Just as matter of intellectual curiosity, aren't there states where lethal force is permitted to stop the commission of a felony?  

If there aren't, there should be.  All of them.  And the District of Columbia.  Puerto Rico too.  Fuck a bunch of armed robbers.  Right between the eyes.

Jane



Yes, some states are cool with it.

La. also has a law to protect you from civil action afterwards.

Link Posted: 7/6/2012 2:53:19 AM EDT
[#25]
Article says it happened just after 3am.  In Texas at 3am, he could be fleeing while crying and begging forgiveness, but if he still has the stolen property he's gtg to be shot in the back.



It's unfortunate that he lived.


 
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 3:04:03 AM EDT
[#26]
I work in Goldsboro and violent crime is pretty common.  Glad the CCW holder was there, armed and up to the task.

Good shoot, but the perp lived.
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 3:09:06 AM EDT
[#27]
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Good shoot, but the perp lived.


Well hopefully his injury will have him drooling and shiting on himself the rest of his life.
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 3:10:23 AM EDT
[#28]
Texas also has law that protects you from civil suit if it is determined to be a good shoot.

This one was!
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 3:12:34 AM EDT
[#29]
head shot doesnt mean it went in his brain...it could have jst messed up his face...alot
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 3:16:07 AM EDT
[#30]
Rule # 2 - DOUBLE TAP  
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 3:22:01 AM EDT
[#31]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Police say a man who pulled out a gun and tried to rob a convenience store ended up getting shot in the head by a customer.

Goldsboro Police say 27-year-old Christopher Vann of Faison attempted to rob the Kangaroo Express at 901 W. Grantham street just after 3:00 a.m. Tuesday.







So he shot him while the guy was escaping with cash?

Let me be clear, I don't like thieves at all or condone theft in any way, however if he was not going to kill or harm anyone and just wanted to escape it would not be a good shoot imo.

So was he shot while trying to get away or when he was threatening/robbing the store employee?
Mr. LowPoster Cass Sunstein/DU troll,

His existence on this planet is a threat.
They're like cancer cells.
You don't and cannot rehabilitate cancer.
You kill it.
Get over it.

Regards,
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 3:24:05 AM EDT
[#32]
I may have overlooked it but.....









Play stupid games, WIN stupid prizes!
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 3:27:16 AM EDT
[#33]
Quoted:
Rule # 2 - DOUBLE TAP  


Should have been first post.
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 3:28:01 AM EDT
[#34]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Police say a man who pulled out a gun and tried to rob a convenience store ended up getting shot in the head by a customer.

Goldsboro Police say 27-year-old Christopher Vann of Faison attempted to rob the Kangaroo Express at 901 W. Grantham street just after 3:00 a.m. Tuesday.







So he shot him while the guy was escaping with cash?

Let me be clear, I don't like thieves at all or condone theft in any way, however if he was not going to kill or harm anyone and just wanted to escape it would not be a good shoot imo.

So was he shot while trying to get away or when he was threatening/robbing the store employee?





From the article:

After consulting with the Wayne County District Attorney's office, police say no criminal charges will be filed against Lewis.


GR
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 3:32:57 AM EDT
[#35]
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Police say a man who pulled out a gun and tried to rob a convenience store ended up getting shot in the head by a customer.

Goldsboro Police say 27-year-old Christopher Vann of Faison attempted to rob the Kangaroo Express at 901 W. Grantham street just after 3:00 a.m. Tuesday.







So he shot him while the guy was escaping with cash?

Let me be clear, I don't like thieves at all or condone theft in any way, however if he was not going to kill or harm anyone and just wanted to escape it would not be a good shoot imo.

So was he shot while trying to get away or when he was threatening/robbing the store employee?





Not sure if serious.............
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 3:41:26 AM EDT
[#36]
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 3:43:15 AM EDT
[#37]
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 3:46:33 AM EDT
[#38]
Good thing it was not in FL.
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 3:48:27 AM EDT
[#39]
Eastern North Carolina....why doesnt this surprise me.
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 3:52:31 AM EDT
[#40]
Quoted:
Good shoot, but what the hell was he using that a headshot didn't kill?


Welcome to the real world.  Contrary to popular belief, 'head shot' does not always equal 'brain shot'.  And not even all brain shots are fatal or even incapacitating.

Link Posted: 7/6/2012 3:53:57 AM EDT
[#41]
Good shot. Coloring books for Christmas for that s.o.b.
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 3:54:30 AM EDT
[#42]
Quoted:
Good shoot, but what the hell was he using that a headshot didn't kill?


A 'headshot' does not mean instant death, bro.

edit: I see JW covered it nicely. With pictures, even.
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 3:58:43 AM EDT
[#43]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Police say a man who pulled out a gun and tried to rob a convenience store ended up getting shot in the head by a customer.

Goldsboro Police say 27-year-old Christopher Vann of Faison attempted to rob the Kangaroo Express at 901 W. Grantham street just after 3:00 a.m. Tuesday.







So he shot him while the guy was escaping with cash?

Let me be clear, I don't like thieves at all or condone theft in any way, however if he was not going to kill or harm anyone and just wanted to escape it would not be a good shoot imo.

So was he shot while trying to get away or when he was threatening/robbing the store employee?




"I feared for my life , I thought he was going to kill me and all I could see was the gun he was pointing"
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 3:59:09 AM EDT
[#44]
Quoted:

Just as matter of intellectual curiosity, aren't there states where lethal force is permitted to stop the commission of a felony?  

If there aren't, there should be.  All of them.  And the District of Columbia.  Puerto Rico too.  Fuck a bunch of armed robbers.  Right between the eyes.


If a state did not allow for use of deadly force in stopping an armed robbery, it would be in the minority
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 4:08:53 AM EDT
[#45]
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Good shoot, but what the hell was he using that a headshot didn't kill?


Head Shots are difficult to begin with when attempted with little or no stress.

They are even more difficult (if not futile) while under stress.

There has to be more to the story on this one.


I know a guy that had a 5.56 (I think during Bosnia) go up through his chin and out of his skull. My step mum provided him with physiotherapy.


I've seen several headshots, some lived. It's not impossible. I was a medic and had to treat them and medevac. I landed two headshots and had to treat the bastards afterwards. Kinda sucks when you have to treat a guy that you intended to kill. One took a hit to the upper right shoulder and into the neck, lots of blood lost but pulled through. The other was smack in the middle of his forehead, huge chunk of skull blown out. You could see his fucking brain. He was dizzy and confused but was walking and talking when he went on the bird.



yes sir, I think I would have puked seeing a dude walking around with his brains hanging out talking like that.

Link Posted: 7/6/2012 4:14:40 AM EDT
[#46]
The way Zimmerman has been treated, this guy has to be either wacko or ballsy. If my life is in danger because the robber threatend me or the clerk than I could see justifiable force. But to shoot someone at the back of the head when their leaving, without harming anyone is a little cowardly like Tom Ford shooting Jesse James. Maybe I'm wrong I don't even know anymore.
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 4:16:17 AM EDT
[#47]
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The way Zimmerman has been treated, this guy has to be either wacko or ballsy. If my life is in danger because the robber threatend me or the clerk than I could see justifiable force. But to shoot someone at the back of the head when their leaving, without harming anyone is a little cowardly like Tom Ford shooting Jesse James. Maybe I'm wrong I don't even know anymore.


what would you call the act of robbery?
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 4:18:12 AM EDT
[#48]
Quoted:
Quoted:
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Police say a man who pulled out a gun and tried to rob a convenience store ended up getting shot in the head by a customer.

Goldsboro Police say 27-year-old Christopher Vann of Faison attempted to rob the Kangaroo Express at 901 W. Grantham street just after 3:00 a.m. Tuesday.







So he shot him while the guy was escaping with cash?

Let me be clear, I don't like thieves at all or condone theft in any way, however if he was not going to kill or harm anyone and just wanted to escape it would not be a good shoot imo.

So was he shot while trying to get away or when he was threatening/robbing the store employee?





From the article:

After consulting with the Wayne County District Attorney's office, police say no criminal charges will be filed against Lewis.


GR


Excellent!  

As for shooting a fleeing armed robber: I too think blasting the POS should be permitted - even encouraged!

BUT . . . the question of whether it's a "good shoot" or not is, I believe, a legal matter - not a moral one. Laws everywhere should allow it (because a fleeing, armed, felon is a serious, dangerous and ongoing threat to society). However, as it is now - sadly - most states/jurisdictions don't see it that way.

And that's just one more reason for (our) continued participation in the democratic process and vigorous efforts to educate the ignorant masses (frustrating though it is!). God knows, most of US could benefit from a history lesson or two!

If I may . . .  The good thing about conservative/libertarian philosophy is that it's logical, well-reasoned and firmly on the moral high ground. Whereas, in contrast, the positions of the Left are, invariably, emotion-based and designed to counter right-leaning positions with immediate, instinctive, knee-jerk reactions - and are, from the start, adopted simply to disagree: regardless how utterly idiotic the argument and/or how dangerous/damaging the consequences. "War-gaming" most all Leftist, Liberal positions virtually always ends with a convert (or surrender) to the conservative - unless, of course, you're arguing with a committed ideologue: in which case you may as well save your breath! They're about as dense and unyielding as it gets (a sure sign of a mental disorder!).



*That said, I'm expressing my opinion (on this topic: shooting fleeing felons) and those who disagree may also have a legitimate point of view - which they're not afraid to state. And I'm glad for it! The fact they can openly express it (me/mine too!) means our beloved 1st Amendment hasn't been completely destroyed (not yet, anyway!).

This is GD, after all. But, before any of us start accusing other members of being  "bleeding heart commie fuck-wad bastards", we might do well to remember that, without debate, we're just a part of a mindless mob - the exact thing we accuse Left-wingers of being. Fact is: a position that can't stand up to argument is a pretty puny position! Right?  

Just my $.02. Take it for what it is. It's worth 'bout awhat you paid for it!
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 4:18:46 AM EDT
[#49]
Quoted:
Good shoot, but what the hell was he using that a headshot didn't kill?


9mm
Link Posted: 7/6/2012 4:23:48 AM EDT
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