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Posted: 8/22/2017 9:43:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/22/2017 9:46:52 PM EST by SethP]
CNN - The US Navy intends to remove Vice Adm. Joseph Aucoin as the commander of the US 7th Fleet, based in Yokosuka, Japan, according to a US official. This follows an incident Monday in which the guided-missile destroyer USS John S. McCain collided with a merchant ship.
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Good . There is a leadership problem.
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Fourth collision this year for the 7th fleet. Beyond the Fitz and McCain, a cruiser went ashore and another ship hit a fishing boat.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 9:45:24 PM EST
Maybe we'll get a goddamned hard core war fighting admiral instead of some dick who got promoted based on how many tolerance classes his fleet had.
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Originally Posted By buckshot_jim:
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Not likely
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 10:07:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By FlyNavy75:

Not likely
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Need moar trannys standing watch...
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 10:08:46 PM EST
Kinda saw that coming.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 10:11:26 PM EST
I bet as soon as he heard about the USS McCain he went home and told the old lady to start packing their shit.
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Originally Posted By whiskerz:
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Exactly....
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 10:23:28 PM EST
Maybe USNA should focus on creating leaders rather than football players.







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I heard today, second hand, that after 9/11, the navy dropped the "rules of the road" type stuff and focused on warfighting.

Sure seems like more collissions than i recall at any time in my lifetime.
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Originally Posted By Palm:
I bet as soon as he heard about the USS McCain he went home and told the old lady to start packing their shit.
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Government sponsored move...  Moving companies hate "packed by owner boxes" - LOL
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Originally Posted By Palm:
I bet as soon as he heard about the USS McCain he went home and told the old lady to start packing their shit.
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Kimmel of Pearl Harbor knew he was likely to be removed.
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Originally Posted By buckshot_jim:
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Hmmmm:

Aucoin has flown more than 150 combat missions in support of joint operations in Iraq, Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo. He accumulated over 4,700 flight hours and more than 1,300 carrier-arrested landings. His personal awards include the Distinguished Service Medal, the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross with "V," and the Bronze Star.
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Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet:
Kinda saw that coming.
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You should enlist in the navy and be a watch stander. You're already more qualified than some of the sailors already there.
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Has this been confirmed by a reputable source?
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Originally Posted By whiskerz:
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The 7th fleet reminds me of Colt. Yes, management obviously sucks, but the labor pool has issues too and fixing management wont fix the labor pool* overnight.

It's not surprising the Aucoin is getting the axe, but his leaving isn't going to fix shit tomorrow, next week, or next month.

*I'm not shitting on the sailors in general. There have been several examples of straight up poor seamanship in 7th fleet and retraining/re-certifying is going to take a lot of time.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 10:44:30 PM EST
There is no doubt a problem SOMEWHERE within the leadership. But I doubt that Joey Aucoin is the problem. He has been a stellar leader his entire career. IMO, the problem is actually in the system itself. The military as a whole these days spends far too much time consumed with shit like transsexuals, homosexuals, sensitivity, putting women into combat arms jobs, etc. The focus should be on training to be the meanest and most effective fighting force on the planet. That in a nutshell is the military's job...killing people and breaking shit on behalf of this country when diplomacy fails. All of the socialist experiments need to end and end now. The military isn't the place for this kind of shit. And until that changes, I suspect we'll see a lot more good officers like Joey Aucoin become scapegoats while the real problem is ignored.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 10:45:40 PM EST
Sounds like a culture problem in the 7th.

Sitting on your dick in Japan probably builds different habits than staring down the Iranians every day.
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Originally Posted By helmet91:
Hmmmm:

Aucoin has flown more than 150 combat missions in support of joint operations in Iraq, Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo. He accumulated over 4,700 flight hours and more than 1,300 carrier-arrested landings. His personal awards include the Distinguished Service Medal, the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross with "V," and the Bronze Star.
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Originally Posted By helmet91:
Originally Posted By buckshot_jim:
Maybe we'll get a goddamned hard core war fighting admiral instead of some dick who got promoted based on how many tolerance classes his fleet had.
Hmmmm:

Aucoin has flown more than 150 combat missions in support of joint operations in Iraq, Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo. He accumulated over 4,700 flight hours and more than 1,300 carrier-arrested landings. His personal awards include the Distinguished Service Medal, the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross with "V," and the Bronze Star.
OK, maybe a pilot isn't the right guy to be in charge of 7th fleet. Frankly, carriers today may be what battleships were in 1941 and having people who's careers depend on carrier ops is maybe not the best idea.
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Originally Posted By helmet91:

Hmmmm:

Aucoin has flown more than 150 combat missions in support of joint operations in Iraq, Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo. He accumulated over 4,700 flight hours and more than 1,300 carrier-arrested landings. His personal awards include the Distinguished Service Medal, the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross with "V," and the Bronze Star.
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Maybe the Navy should be led by a sailor instead of a pilot.
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Originally Posted By Nodak_Cruffler:



Maybe the Navy should be led by a sailor instead of a pilot.
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Maybe the Navy should be led by a sailor instead of a pilot.
Originally Posted By dillehayd:


OK, maybe a pilot isn't the right guy to be in charge of 7th fleet. Frankly, carriers today may be what battleships were in 1941 and having people who's careers depend on carrier ops is maybe not the best idea.
I was responding to this quote:

Originally Posted By buckshot_jim:
Maybe we'll get a goddamned hard core war fighting admiral instead of some dick who got promoted based on how many tolerance classes his fleet had.
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Might be nice if it was a surface sailor instead of a Brown Shoe.
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Originally Posted By helmet91:
Hmmmm:

Aucoin has flown more than 150 combat missions in support of joint operations in Iraq, Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo. He accumulated over 4,700 flight hours and more than 1,300 carrier-arrested landings. His personal awards include the Distinguished Service Medal, the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross with "V," and the Bronze Star.
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Originally Posted By helmet91:
Originally Posted By buckshot_jim:
Maybe we'll get a goddamned hard core war fighting admiral instead of some dick who got promoted based on how many tolerance classes his fleet had.
Hmmmm:

Aucoin has flown more than 150 combat missions in support of joint operations in Iraq, Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo. He accumulated over 4,700 flight hours and more than 1,300 carrier-arrested landings. His personal awards include the Distinguished Service Medal, the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross with "V," and the Bronze Star.
Which is zero experience driving a ship .
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Originally Posted By helmet91:

Hmmmm:

Aucoin has flown more than 150 combat missions in support of joint operations in Iraq, Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo. He accumulated over 4,700 flight hours and more than 1,300 carrier-arrested landings. His personal awards include the Distinguished Service Medal, the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross with "V," and the Bronze Star.
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That makes him a warfighting admiral how? I have medals and commendations for my efforts in war. That does not make me a General.
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Originally Posted By Palm:
I bet as soon as he heard about the USS McCain he went home and told the old lady to tell their staff to start packing their shit for them.
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Fixed it for you.
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Originally Posted By ztug:


Which is zero experience driving a ship .
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AGAIN, I was responding to a post questioning the admiral's warfighting ability/experience.  He's clearly quite experienced.
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Originally Posted By helmet91:
Hmmmm:

Aucoin has flown more than 150 combat missions in support of joint operations in Iraq, Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo. He accumulated over 4,700 flight hours and more than 1,300 carrier-arrested landings. His personal awards include the Distinguished Service Medal, the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross with "V," and the Bronze Star.
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Originally Posted By helmet91:
Originally Posted By buckshot_jim:
Maybe we'll get a goddamned hard core war fighting admiral instead of some dick who got promoted based on how many tolerance classes his fleet had.
Hmmmm:

Aucoin has flown more than 150 combat missions in support of joint operations in Iraq, Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo. He accumulated over 4,700 flight hours and more than 1,300 carrier-arrested landings. His personal awards include the Distinguished Service Medal, the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross with "V," and the Bronze Star.
Doesn't know how to drive a boat though, and neither do his subordinates. 
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Originally Posted By Stoop:
Doesn't know how to drive a boat though, and neither do his subordinates. 
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Originally Posted By Stoop:
Doesn't know how to drive a boat though, and neither do his subordinates. 
Originally Posted By helmet91:

AGAIN, I was responding to a post questioning the admiral's warfighting ability/experience.  He's clearly quite experienced.
Do you guys seriously not read an entire thread before you post?  Holy hell.
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Originally Posted By buckshot_jim:


That makes him a warfighting admiral how? I have medals and commendations for my efforts in war. That does not make me a General.
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How does it not?  Screw medals and commendations, the guy has clearly has significant combat experience and your comments were clearly triggered by something you didn't even look up.


Here's the rest of his official bio, he sure as hell doesn't sound like a BHO flag officer as you implied.  Is he a SWO?  No, obviously not.  Does he have significant experience (combat and leadership)?  Of course he does.

The son of an 82nd Airborne paratrooper, Vice Adm. Joseph Aucoin graduated from North Carolina State University with a Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering. He is an Arthur S. Moreau Scholar and holds master's degrees in public administration from Harvard University and in national security studies and strategic affairs from the Naval War College. He is a MIT Seminar XXI fellow and a graduate of the Navy Fighter Weapons School, Top Gun.

[color=#000000]As a career naval flight officer, Aucoin served in five fighter squadrons and commanded Fighter Squadron 41, the "Black Aces." The book "Black Aces High" recounts the success of his people in operations over Iraq and Kosovo during his command tour while embarked in USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71). He commanded Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 5 forward deployed to Japan and embarked aboard USS Kitty Hawk (CV 63), and Carrier Strike Group (CSG 3), homeported in Bremerton, Washington, and embarked aboard USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74).

Ashore, he has served in numerous assignments on the Navy and Joint Staffs. Flag assignments include deputy director, air warfare, Office of the Chief of Naval Operations ([OPNAV] N88B) and director, programming division (OPNAV N80). Prior to assuming his current responsibilities as commander, U.S. 7th [/color] 
Fleet in September 2015, Aucoin served as deputy chief of naval operations for warfare systems (OPNAV N9) from May 2013, in which he was responsible for the integration of manpower, training, sustainment, modernization, research and development, and procurement of the Navy's warfare systems.
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Originally Posted By helmet91:


How does it not?  Screw medals and commendations, the guy has clearly has significant combat experience and your comments were clearly triggered by something you didn't even look up.


Here's the rest of his official bio, he sure as hell doesn't sound like a BHO flag officer as you implied.  Is he a SWO?  No, obviously not.  Does he have significant experience (combat and leadership)?  Of course he does.

The son of an 82nd Airborne paratrooper, Vice Adm. Joseph Aucoin graduated from North Carolina State University with a Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering. He is an Arthur S. Moreau Scholar and holds master's degrees in public administration from Harvard University and in national security studies and strategic affairs from the Naval War College. He is a MIT Seminar XXI fellow and a graduate of the Navy Fighter Weapons School, Top Gun.

[color=#000000]As a career naval flight officer, Aucoin served in five fighter squadrons and commanded Fighter Squadron 41, the "Black Aces." The book "Black Aces High" recounts the success of his people in operations over Iraq and Kosovo during his command tour while embarked in USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71). He commanded Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 5 forward deployed to Japan and embarked aboard USS Kitty Hawk (CV 63), and Carrier Strike Group (CSG 3), homeported in Bremerton, Washington, and embarked aboard USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74).

Ashore, he has served in numerous assignments on the Navy and Joint Staffs. Flag assignments include deputy director, air warfare, Office of the Chief of Naval Operations ([OPNAV] N88B) and director, programming division (OPNAV N80). Prior to assuming his current responsibilities as commander, U.S. 7th [/color] 
Fleet in September 2015, Aucoin served as deputy chief of naval operations for warfare systems (OPNAV N9) from May 2013, in which he was responsible for the integration of manpower, training, sustainment, modernization, research and development, and procurement of the Navy's warfare systems.
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and yet his ships keep colliding with other ships, and the earth etc. Not one, not two...I stand by my comments. You can white knight for him all you want. His flying experience and war time actions in an aircraft have exactly zero to do with his ability to command an entire fleet of 70 ships, 300 planes and 40000 people.
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35 shipmates drowned in their racks this year due to failures of basic fucking seamanship.


Not saying he's the problem, but there damn sure is a problem.
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Originally Posted By buckshot_jim:


and yet his ships keep colliding with other ships, and the earth etc. Not one, not two...I stand by my comments. You can white knight for him all you want. His flying experience and war time actions in an aircraft have exactly zero to do with his ability to command an entire fleet of 70 ships, 300 planes and 40000 people.
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White knight?  LMAO.

I actually looked up his bio before I went on a triggered tirade like you did in your first post.  ;)
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Originally Posted By helmet91:
White knight?  LMAO.

I actually looked up his bio before I went on a triggered tirade like you did in your first post.  ;)
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I knew his bio. I read it earlier today. Don't be ridiculous.

eta: you wont get it, so I'll explain. One may have a great combat career, be a great aviator etc. That is not what gets you promoted to Admiral/General. Politics gets you promoted to those ranks. You can bet your ass he was a cheerleader for every nonsensical social experiment that came along under Obama or he would not have risen so high. I don't know your background, but I'll bet that many here will agree that most of the best warfighting officers never get above Lt. Col or Col/Navy Captain because of politics.
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 11:44:12 PM EST
Thread title is wrong, he is being "relieved" not "dismissed".
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Originally Posted By buckshot_jim:


I knew his bio. I read it earlier today. Don't be ridiculous.
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Originally Posted By buckshot_jim:


I knew his bio. I read it earlier today. Don't be ridiculous.
So which part of this:

Originally Posted By buckshot_jim:
Maybe we'll get a goddamned hard core war fighting admiral instead of some dick who got promoted based on how many tolerance classes his fleet had.
...addresses the fact that he's an NFO and not a SWO?  All I see is a rant that is more based on "muh feels" and "FBHO" than anything else.  Based on this statement, just what is a "goddamned hard core war fighting admiral?"  How about one that has 150 combat missions and thousands of hours in a fighter jet?  You sure as hell didn't discuss the community he came from - are you implying that black shoes are some how more insulated from SJW BS over brown shoes?  I see nothing in his bio that jives with your first statement.

Mind you, I do think it's a little off kilter to have an aviator heading a fleet - but he's clearly the whipping boy here, as his removal and the subsequent ascension of a black shoe will fix nothing for years to come. 
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 11:46:16 PM EST
They should promote a woman.


It's "time".



It's what is best for the country.
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Originally Posted By buckshot_jim:


eta: you wont get it, so I'll explain. One may have a great combat career, be a great aviator etc. That is not what gets you promoted to Admiral/General. Politics gets you promoted to those ranks. You can bet your ass he was a cheerleader for every nonsensical social experiment that came along under Obama or he would not have risen so high. I don't know your background, but I'll bet that many here will agree that most of the best warfighting officers never get above Lt. Col or Col/Navy Captain because of politics.
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Dude, you're all over the place now.

Obviously politics come into play, I've seen it first hand - through my dad (career USAF WSO (not pilot) O-5) as well as my time in the Navy not to mention my Federal time.  But are you now implying than an O-6 should be running the fleet?
Link Posted: 8/22/2017 11:52:42 PM EST
Chinese are laughing their asses off at us.
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Originally Posted By Ragin_Cajun:
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That's awful. 
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I'm pretty sure that's the cause of all the world's evils
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Need moar trannys standing watch...
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Not likely
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This.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 12:16:08 AM EST
Having never been in the US military, Adm Aucoin was scheduled to retire in a few months anyways. My question is, will he be given an honorable discharge?
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Originally Posted By helmet91:
Hmmmm:

Aucoin has flown more than 150 combat missions in support of joint operations in Iraq, Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo. He accumulated over 4,700 flight hours and more than 1,300 carrier-arrested landings. His personal awards include the Distinguished Service Medal, the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross with "V," and the Bronze Star.
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Originally Posted By buckshot_jim:
Maybe we'll get a goddamned hard core war fighting admiral instead of some dick who got promoted based on how many tolerance classes his fleet had.
Hmmmm:

Aucoin has flown more than 150 combat missions in support of joint operations in Iraq, Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo. He accumulated over 4,700 flight hours and more than 1,300 carrier-arrested landings. His personal awards include the Distinguished Service Medal, the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross with "V," and the Bronze Star.
Sounds like they need a Shoe in charge.  That said, the ships are supposed to be fully trained and ready BEFORE being assigned to a Numbered Fleet.  This is probably a SURFPAC and/or CNET problem.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 12:21:10 AM EST
Dat neck doe. He's a giraffe.
Link Posted: 8/23/2017 12:24:26 AM EST
Wait I read there was a hacker involved. What about the damn hacker? I know he didn't drive the damn boats.

Can someone explain how this isn't 1st world blame game crap?
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Having never been in the US military, Adm Aucoin was scheduled to retire in a few months anyways. My question is, will he be given an honorable discharge?
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Of course
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Originally Posted By dillehayd:


OK, maybe a pilot isn't the right guy to be in charge of 7th fleet. Frankly, carriers today may be what battleships were in 1941 and having people who's careers depend on carrier ops is maybe not the best idea.
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He's not a pilot
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Originally Posted By buckshot_jim:
I knew his bio. I read it earlier today. Don't be ridiculous.

eta: you wont get it, so I'll explain. One may have a great combat career, be a great aviator etc. That is not what gets you promoted to Admiral/General. Politics gets you promoted to those ranks. You can bet your ass he was a cheerleader for every nonsensical social experiment that came along under Obama or he would not have risen so high. I don't know your background, but I'll bet that many here will agree that most of the best warfighting officers never get above Lt. Col or Col/Navy Captain because of politics.
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Originally Posted By helmet91:
White knight?  LMAO.

I actually looked up his bio before I went on a triggered tirade like you did in your first post.  ;)
I knew his bio. I read it earlier today. Don't be ridiculous.

eta: you wont get it, so I'll explain. One may have a great combat career, be a great aviator etc. That is not what gets you promoted to Admiral/General. Politics gets you promoted to those ranks. You can bet your ass he was a cheerleader for every nonsensical social experiment that came along under Obama or he would not have risen so high. I don't know your background, but I'll bet that many here will agree that most of the best warfighting officers never get above Lt. Col or Col/Navy Captain because of politics.
Rare is the 1-3 star in 2017 that didn't gag on some kenyan dick. Obama purged the ranks of anyone with the juice to push back against the gay/tranny/female agenda. I know a couple of Colonels that saw the writing on the wall and cashed put early too. Im talking guys with full bird before age 50 with a lot of fight left in them. It will take at least an entire generation for the US Military to recover from Obama if it ever does.
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Having never been in the US military, Adm Aucoin was scheduled to retire in a few months anyways. My question is, will he be given an honorable discharge?
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Of course.

eta: beat, too much reading
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