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Posted: 8/22/2017 9:43:20 PM EST
CNN - The US Navy intends to remove Vice Adm. Joseph Aucoin as the commander of the US 7th Fleet, based in Yokosuka, Japan, according to a US official. This follows an incident Monday in which the guided-missile destroyer USS John S. McCain collided with a merchant ship.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 9:44:11 PM EST
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Good . There is a leadership problem.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 9:45:16 PM EST
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Fourth collision this year for the 7th fleet. Beyond the Fitz and McCain, a cruiser went ashore and another ship hit a fishing boat.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 9:45:24 PM EST
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Maybe we'll get a goddamned hard core war fighting admiral instead of some dick who got promoted based on how many tolerance classes his fleet had.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 9:49:33 PM EST
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Maybe we'll get a goddamned hard core war fighting admiral instead of some dick who got promoted based on how many tolerance classes his fleet had. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:07:43 PM EST
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Not likely |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:08:46 PM EST
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Kinda saw that coming.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:11:26 PM EST
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I bet as soon as he heard about the USS McCain he went home and told the old lady to start packing their shit.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:20:44 PM EST
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Good . There is a leadership problem. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:23:28 PM EST
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Maybe USNA should focus on creating leaders rather than football players.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:29:44 PM EST
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I heard today, second hand, that after 9/11, the navy dropped the "rules of the road" type stuff and focused on warfighting.
Sure seems like more collissions than i recall at any time in my lifetime. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:31:41 PM EST
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I bet as soon as he heard about the USS McCain he went home and told the old lady to start packing their shit. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:32:13 PM EST
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I bet as soon as he heard about the USS McCain he went home and told the old lady to start packing their shit. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:35:15 PM EST
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Maybe we'll get a goddamned hard core war fighting admiral instead of some dick who got promoted based on how many tolerance classes his fleet had. Aucoin has flown more than 150 combat missions in support of joint operations in Iraq, Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo. He accumulated over 4,700 flight hours and more than 1,300 carrier-arrested landings. His personal awards include the Distinguished Service Medal, the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross with "V," and the Bronze Star. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:35:45 PM EST
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Kinda saw that coming. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:40:23 PM EST
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Has this been confirmed by a reputable source?
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:42:53 PM EST
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Good . There is a leadership problem. It's not surprising the Aucoin is getting the axe, but his leaving isn't going to fix shit tomorrow, next week, or next month. *I'm not shitting on the sailors in general. There have been several examples of straight up poor seamanship in 7th fleet and retraining/re-certifying is going to take a lot of time. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:44:30 PM EST
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There is no doubt a problem SOMEWHERE within the leadership. But I doubt that Joey Aucoin is the problem. He has been a stellar leader his entire career. IMO, the problem is actually in the system itself. The military as a whole these days spends far too much time consumed with shit like transsexuals, homosexuals, sensitivity, putting women into combat arms jobs, etc. The focus should be on training to be the meanest and most effective fighting force on the planet. That in a nutshell is the military's job...killing people and breaking shit on behalf of this country when diplomacy fails. All of the socialist experiments need to end and end now. The military isn't the place for this kind of shit. And until that changes, I suspect we'll see a lot more good officers like Joey Aucoin become scapegoats while the real problem is ignored.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:45:40 PM EST
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Sounds like a culture problem in the 7th.
Sitting on your dick in Japan probably builds different habits than staring down the Iranians every day. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:46:30 PM EST
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Hmmmm: Aucoin has flown more than 150 combat missions in support of joint operations in Iraq, Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo. He accumulated over 4,700 flight hours and more than 1,300 carrier-arrested landings. His personal awards include the Distinguished Service Medal, the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross with "V," and the Bronze Star. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe we'll get a goddamned hard core war fighting admiral instead of some dick who got promoted based on how many tolerance classes his fleet had. Aucoin has flown more than 150 combat missions in support of joint operations in Iraq, Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo. He accumulated over 4,700 flight hours and more than 1,300 carrier-arrested landings. His personal awards include the Distinguished Service Medal, the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross with "V," and the Bronze Star. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:48:22 PM EST
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Hmmmm: Aucoin has flown more than 150 combat missions in support of joint operations in Iraq, Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo. He accumulated over 4,700 flight hours and more than 1,300 carrier-arrested landings. His personal awards include the Distinguished Service Medal, the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross with "V," and the Bronze Star. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 10:56:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe the Navy should be led by a sailor instead of a pilot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe the Navy should be led by a sailor instead of a pilot. Quoted:
OK, maybe a pilot isn't the right guy to be in charge of 7th fleet. Frankly, carriers today may be what battleships were in 1941 and having people who's careers depend on carrier ops is maybe not the best idea. Quoted:
Maybe we'll get a goddamned hard core war fighting admiral instead of some dick who got promoted based on how many tolerance classes his fleet had. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:01:46 PM EST
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Maybe we'll get a goddamned hard core war fighting admiral instead of some dick who got promoted based on how many tolerance classes his fleet had. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:03:33 PM EST
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Hmmmm: Aucoin has flown more than 150 combat missions in support of joint operations in Iraq, Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo. He accumulated over 4,700 flight hours and more than 1,300 carrier-arrested landings. His personal awards include the Distinguished Service Medal, the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross with "V," and the Bronze Star. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe we'll get a goddamned hard core war fighting admiral instead of some dick who got promoted based on how many tolerance classes his fleet had. Aucoin has flown more than 150 combat missions in support of joint operations in Iraq, Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo. He accumulated over 4,700 flight hours and more than 1,300 carrier-arrested landings. His personal awards include the Distinguished Service Medal, the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross with "V," and the Bronze Star. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:03:54 PM EST
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Hmmmm: Aucoin has flown more than 150 combat missions in support of joint operations in Iraq, Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo. He accumulated over 4,700 flight hours and more than 1,300 carrier-arrested landings. His personal awards include the Distinguished Service Medal, the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross with "V," and the Bronze Star. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:05:14 PM EST
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I bet as soon as he heard about the USS McCain he went home and told the old lady to tell their staff to start packing their shit for them. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:05:22 PM EST
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Which is zero experience driving a ship . |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:06:34 PM EST
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Hmmmm: Aucoin has flown more than 150 combat missions in support of joint operations in Iraq, Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo. He accumulated over 4,700 flight hours and more than 1,300 carrier-arrested landings. His personal awards include the Distinguished Service Medal, the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross with "V," and the Bronze Star. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe we'll get a goddamned hard core war fighting admiral instead of some dick who got promoted based on how many tolerance classes his fleet had. Aucoin has flown more than 150 combat missions in support of joint operations in Iraq, Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo. He accumulated over 4,700 flight hours and more than 1,300 carrier-arrested landings. His personal awards include the Distinguished Service Medal, the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross with "V," and the Bronze Star. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:08:10 PM EST
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Doesn't know how to drive a boat though, and neither do his subordinates. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Doesn't know how to drive a boat though, and neither do his subordinates. Quoted:
AGAIN, I was responding to a post questioning the admiral's warfighting ability/experience. He's clearly quite experienced. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:11:40 PM EST
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That makes him a warfighting admiral how? I have medals and commendations for my efforts in war. That does not make me a General. Here's the rest of his official bio, he sure as hell doesn't sound like a BHO flag officer as you implied. Is he a SWO? No, obviously not. Does he have significant experience (combat and leadership)? Of course he does. The son of an 82nd Airborne paratrooper, Vice Adm. Joseph Aucoin graduated from North Carolina State University with a Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering. He is an Arthur S. Moreau Scholar and holds master's degrees in public administration from Harvard University and in national security studies and strategic affairs from the Naval War College. He is a MIT Seminar XXI fellow and a graduate of the Navy Fighter Weapons School, Top Gun. [color=#000000]As a career naval flight officer, Aucoin served in five fighter squadrons and commanded Fighter Squadron 41, the "Black Aces." The book "Black Aces High" recounts the success of his people in operations over Iraq and Kosovo during his command tour while embarked in USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71). He commanded Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 5 forward deployed to Japan and embarked aboard USS Kitty Hawk (CV 63), and Carrier Strike Group (CSG 3), homeported in Bremerton, Washington, and embarked aboard USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74). Ashore, he has served in numerous assignments on the Navy and Joint Staffs. Flag assignments include deputy director, air warfare, Office of the Chief of Naval Operations ([OPNAV] N88B) and director, programming division (OPNAV N80). Prior to assuming his current responsibilities as commander, U.S. 7th [/color] Fleet in September 2015, Aucoin served as deputy chief of naval operations for warfare systems (OPNAV N9) from May 2013, in which he was responsible for the integration of manpower, training, sustainment, modernization, research and development, and procurement of the Navy's warfare systems. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:25:36 PM EST
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How does it not? Screw medals and commendations, the guy has clearly has significant combat experience and your comments were clearly triggered by something you didn't even look up. Here's the rest of his official bio, he sure as hell doesn't sound like a BHO flag officer as you implied. Is he a SWO? No, obviously not. Does he have significant experience (combat and leadership)? Of course he does. The son of an 82nd Airborne paratrooper, Vice Adm. Joseph Aucoin graduated from North Carolina State University with a Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering. He is an Arthur S. Moreau Scholar and holds master's degrees in public administration from Harvard University and in national security studies and strategic affairs from the Naval War College. He is a MIT Seminar XXI fellow and a graduate of the Navy Fighter Weapons School, Top Gun. [color=#000000]As a career naval flight officer, Aucoin served in five fighter squadrons and commanded Fighter Squadron 41, the "Black Aces." The book "Black Aces High" recounts the success of his people in operations over Iraq and Kosovo during his command tour while embarked in USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71). He commanded Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 5 forward deployed to Japan and embarked aboard USS Kitty Hawk (CV 63), and Carrier Strike Group (CSG 3), homeported in Bremerton, Washington, and embarked aboard USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74). Ashore, he has served in numerous assignments on the Navy and Joint Staffs. Flag assignments include deputy director, air warfare, Office of the Chief of Naval Operations ([OPNAV] N88B) and director, programming division (OPNAV N80). Prior to assuming his current responsibilities as commander, U.S. 7th [/color] Fleet in September 2015, Aucoin served as deputy chief of naval operations for warfare systems (OPNAV N9) from May 2013, in which he was responsible for the integration of manpower, training, sustainment, modernization, research and development, and procurement of the Navy's warfare systems. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:30:47 PM EST
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35 shipmates drowned in their racks this year due to failures of basic fucking seamanship.
Not saying he's the problem, but there damn sure is a problem. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:34:55 PM EST
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and yet his ships keep colliding with other ships, and the earth etc. Not one, not two...I stand by my comments. You can white knight for him all you want. His flying experience and war time actions in an aircraft have exactly zero to do with his ability to command an entire fleet of 70 ships, 300 planes and 40000 people. I actually looked up his bio before I went on a triggered tirade like you did in your first post. ;) |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:37:42 PM EST
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White knight? LMAO. I actually looked up his bio before I went on a triggered tirade like you did in your first post. ;) eta: you wont get it, so I'll explain. One may have a great combat career, be a great aviator etc. That is not what gets you promoted to Admiral/General. Politics gets you promoted to those ranks. You can bet your ass he was a cheerleader for every nonsensical social experiment that came along under Obama or he would not have risen so high. I don't know your background, but I'll bet that many here will agree that most of the best warfighting officers never get above Lt. Col or Col/Navy Captain because of politics. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:44:12 PM EST
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Thread title is wrong, he is being "relieved" not "dismissed".
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:45:31 PM EST
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I knew his bio. I read it earlier today. Don't be ridiculous. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I knew his bio. I read it earlier today. Don't be ridiculous. Quoted:
Maybe we'll get a goddamned hard core war fighting admiral instead of some dick who got promoted based on how many tolerance classes his fleet had. Mind you, I do think it's a little off kilter to have an aviator heading a fleet - but he's clearly the whipping boy here, as his removal and the subsequent ascension of a black shoe will fix nothing for years to come. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:46:16 PM EST
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They should promote a woman.
It's "time". It's what is best for the country. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:50:42 PM EST
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eta: you wont get it, so I'll explain. One may have a great combat career, be a great aviator etc. That is not what gets you promoted to Admiral/General. Politics gets you promoted to those ranks. You can bet your ass he was a cheerleader for every nonsensical social experiment that came along under Obama or he would not have risen so high. I don't know your background, but I'll bet that many here will agree that most of the best warfighting officers never get above Lt. Col or Col/Navy Captain because of politics. 
Dude, you're all over the place now. Obviously politics come into play, I've seen it first hand - through my dad (career USAF WSO (not pilot) O-5) as well as my time in the Navy not to mention my Federal time. But are you now implying than an O-6 should be running the fleet? |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:52:42 PM EST
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Chinese are laughing their asses off at us.
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:53:52 PM EST
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35 shipmates drowned in their racks this year due to failures of basic fucking seamanship. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:58:01 PM EST
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Maybe USNA should focus on creating leaders rather than football players. |
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Posted: 8/22/2017 11:59:24 PM EST
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Need moar trannys standing watch... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not likely |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:16:08 AM EST
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Having never been in the US military, Adm Aucoin was scheduled to retire in a few months anyways. My question is, will he be given an honorable discharge?
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:19:14 AM EST
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Hmmmm: Aucoin has flown more than 150 combat missions in support of joint operations in Iraq, Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo. He accumulated over 4,700 flight hours and more than 1,300 carrier-arrested landings. His personal awards include the Distinguished Service Medal, the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross with "V," and the Bronze Star. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe we'll get a goddamned hard core war fighting admiral instead of some dick who got promoted based on how many tolerance classes his fleet had. Aucoin has flown more than 150 combat missions in support of joint operations in Iraq, Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo. He accumulated over 4,700 flight hours and more than 1,300 carrier-arrested landings. His personal awards include the Distinguished Service Medal, the Silver Star, the Legion of Merit, the Distinguished Flying Cross with "V," and the Bronze Star. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:21:10 AM EST
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Dat neck doe. He's a giraffe.
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:24:26 AM EST
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Wait I read there was a hacker involved. What about the damn hacker? I know he didn't drive the damn boats.
Can someone explain how this isn't 1st world blame game crap? |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:25:08 AM EST
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Sounds like they need a Shoe in charge. 
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:25:41 AM EST
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Having never been in the US military, Adm Aucoin was scheduled to retire in a few months anyways. My question is, will he be given an honorable discharge? |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:26:26 AM EST
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OK, maybe a pilot isn't the right guy to be in charge of 7th fleet. Frankly, carriers today may be what battleships were in 1941 and having people who's careers depend on carrier ops is maybe not the best idea. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:29:21 AM EST
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I knew his bio. I read it earlier today. Don't be ridiculous. eta: you wont get it, so I'll explain. One may have a great combat career, be a great aviator etc. That is not what gets you promoted to Admiral/General. Politics gets you promoted to those ranks. You can bet your ass he was a cheerleader for every nonsensical social experiment that came along under Obama or he would not have risen so high. I don't know your background, but I'll bet that many here will agree that most of the best warfighting officers never get above Lt. Col or Col/Navy Captain because of politics. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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White knight? LMAO. I actually looked up his bio before I went on a triggered tirade like you did in your first post. ;) eta: you wont get it, so I'll explain. One may have a great combat career, be a great aviator etc. That is not what gets you promoted to Admiral/General. Politics gets you promoted to those ranks. You can bet your ass he was a cheerleader for every nonsensical social experiment that came along under Obama or he would not have risen so high. I don't know your background, but I'll bet that many here will agree that most of the best warfighting officers never get above Lt. Col or Col/Navy Captain because of politics. |
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Posted: 8/23/2017 12:31:06 AM EST
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Having never been in the US military, Adm Aucoin was scheduled to retire in a few months anyways. My question is, will he be given an honorable discharge? eta: beat, too much reading |
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