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Posted: 12/22/2005 4:32:57 PM EDT
Has anyone heard how Heston is doing ?
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 4:37:11 PM EDT
He is older than Dirt... how you think he is doing?
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 4:37:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KOW:
Has anyone heard how Heston is doing ?


Your kidding right? He's dead.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 4:38:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By coondog:

Originally Posted By KOW:
Has anyone heard how Heston is doing ?


Your kidding right? He's dead.




?
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 4:39:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By coondog:

Originally Posted By KOW:
Has anyone heard how Heston is doing ?


Your kidding right? He's dead.



Don't think so.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 4:39:24 PM EDT
I don't think so.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 4:40:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By coondog:

Originally Posted By KOW:
Has anyone heard how Heston is doing ?


Your kidding right? He's dead.



I don't think Heston got the memo on that one.... Neither did I... That heppened WHEN?
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 4:41:55 PM EDT
not dead
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 4:42:46 PM EDT
Gee, I just wanted to know if anybody had heard how the poor bastard was doing. He seems like a pretty good guy, that did gunowners some service. Have a little respect.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 4:42:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By coondog:

Originally Posted By KOW:
Has anyone heard how Heston is doing ?


Your kidding right? He's dead.


My mistake. Wow,I coulda' sworn I heard he died not too long ago. That's wierd.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 4:42:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By coondog:

Originally Posted By KOW:
Has anyone heard how Heston is doing ?


Your kidding right? He's dead.





en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlton_Heston
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 4:45:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KOW:
Gee, I just wanted to know if anybody had heard how the poor bastard was doing. He seems like a pretty good guy, that did gunowners some service. Have a little respect.


Respect? To whom do I owe respect? I guess you calling him a poor bastard is your idea of respect? WTF?
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 4:46:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Airwolf:

Originally Posted By coondog:

Originally Posted By KOW:
Has anyone heard how Heston is doing ?


Your kidding right? He's dead.





en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlton_Heston


Take it easy ,Vincent.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 4:47:36 PM EDT
According to the IMDB website..... he last movie was:
Genghis Khan (2005) .... playing Togrul.

No "death date" found, but I did find out we share birthdays.....although decades apart.

No Expert
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 4:50:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By coondog:

Originally Posted By KOW:
Gee, I just wanted to know if anybody had heard how the poor bastard was doing. He seems like a pretty good guy, that did gunowners some service. Have a little respect.


Respect? To whom do I owe respect? I guess you calling him a poor bastard is your idea of respect? WTF?



Poor bastard used in this context intimates concern for his welfare and sympathy for his plight.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 4:51:34 PM EDT
He's still Moses, right?

Danny
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 4:53:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By No_Expert:
According to the IMDB website..... he last movie was:
Genghis Khan (2005) .... playing Togrul.

No "death date" found, but I did find out we share birthdays.....although decades apart.

No Expert



2005? I find that hard to believe with severe Alzheimer's disease.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 6:39:00 PM EDT

Like Reagan before him, I think he said his public goodbyes and now waits in private.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 6:49:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DeadSled:
not dead



The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm not dead.

The Dead Collector: 'Ere, he says he's not dead.

Large Man with Dead Body: Yes he is.

The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm not.

The Dead Collector: He isn't.

Large Man with Dead Body: Well, he will be soon, he's very ill.

The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm getting better.

Large Man with Dead Body: No you're not, you'll be stone dead in a moment.

The Dead Collector: Well, I can't take him like that. It's against regulations.

The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I don't want to go on the cart.

Large Man with Dead Body: Oh, don't be such a baby.

The Dead Collector: I can't take him.

The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I feel fine.

Large Man with Dead Body: Oh, do me a favor.

The Dead Collector: I can't.

Large Man with Dead Body: Well, can you hang around for a couple of minutes? He won't be long.

The Dead Collector: I promised I'd be at the Robinsons'. They've lost nine today.

Large Man with Dead Body: Well, when's your next round?

The Dead Collector: Thursday.

The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I think I'll go for a walk.

Large Man with Dead Body: You're not fooling anyone, you know. Isn't there anything you could do?

The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I feel happy. I feel happy.
[the Dead Collector glances up and down the street furtively, then silences the Body with his a whack of his club]

Large Man with Dead Body: Ah, thank you very much.

The Dead Collector: Not at all. See you on Thursday.

Large Man with Dead Body: Right.

Link Posted: 12/22/2005 6:50:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By coondog:

Originally Posted By KOW:
Has anyone heard how Heston is doing ?


Your kidding right? He's dead.



Now you've gone and jinxed him! He'll die for sure someday now that you've said it.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 7:11:55 PM EDT
I've always liked that guy. That speech he made a few years ago was a classic. You know the one where he said a bunch of patriotic and smart stuff. Maybe at a college?
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 7:48:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By clement:

Originally Posted By No_Expert:
According to the IMDB website..... he last movie was:
Genghis Khan (2005) .... playing Togrul.

No "death date" found, but I did find out we share birthdays.....although decades apart.

No Expert



2005? I find that hard to believe with severe Alzheimer's disease.



Well, that is a release date.... his parts could have been filmed 2-3 years before. I dunno.,

No Expert
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 7:52:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/22/2005 7:53:08 PM EDT by CTKurt]
Monty Python.
"Bring out your dead"..."I'm not quite dead yet"...
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 7:53:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Pangea:

Originally Posted By coondog:

Originally Posted By KOW:
Has anyone heard how Heston is doing ?


Your kidding right? He's dead.



Now you've gone and jinxed him! He'll die for sure someday now that you've said it.


Yup,I should have put IBTDOH,In Before The Death Of Heston. Yeah, I know, that is just wrong.
Link Posted: 12/22/2005 9:15:22 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 1:58:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By No_Expert:

Originally Posted By clement:

Originally Posted By No_Expert:
According to the IMDB website..... he last movie was:
Genghis Khan (2005) .... playing Togrul.

No "death date" found, but I did find out we share birthdays.....although decades apart.

No Expert



2005? I find that hard to believe with severe Alzheimer's disease.



Well, that is a release date.... his parts could have been filmed 2-3 years before. I dunno.,

No Expert



Apparently it's just a repackaged version of this aborted 1992 flick:

The Greatest Heston Film Never Finished (!): A REAL'KHAN' JOB: In late 1992, Charlton Heston traveled to Russia (heading up a cast of largely unknown actors) to play (with lots of makeup!) a Mongol warlord named "Togrul" in an independently financed, $45 million historical epic titled "GENGHIS KHAN." Unfortunately, the film-makers ran out of money (!). According to Chuck, he and his makep man were probably the only ones paid. Ken Annakin ("The Longest Day") was the director of this ill-fated Vision International production.

marhew.tripod.com/hestfest/id6.html
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 2:34:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/23/2005 2:37:25 AM EDT by redfisher]

Originally Posted By DeadSled:
not dead



just looks like it.

seriously, hes got Parkinson's Alzheimer's in the worst way. Not the type thing you want TV cameras to show

Fighting the good fight just as he has for us for many years.


edit to change ailment. my bad
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 3:51:09 AM EDT
He's retreated from public life, as did Reagan.

Kharn
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 4:19:07 AM EDT
When I saw him here at the NAtional NRA convention- '03?, he didnt look that good. But he stayed and signed books for hours.

Glad I got to shake his hand. Met Wayne LaPierre there as well.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 4:40:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CavVet:
When I saw him here at the NAtional NRA convention- '03?, he didnt look that good. But he stayed and signed books for hours.

Glad I got to shake his hand. Met Wayne LaPierre there as well.


Mr. Heston is a good man. LaPierre is an overrated, overpaid talking head.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 5:27:10 AM EDT
CH is the polar opposite of the typical Hollywood celebrity. It took a hell of a lot of guts to become president of his peers most hated group. We owe the man. YMMV
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 5:31:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By coondog:

Originally Posted By KOW:
Has anyone heard how Heston is doing ?


Your kidding right? He's dead.


What sort of idiocy is this?

Is this how someone who is a giant in the RKBA Movement is treated on a Gun Board?

Shame on all y'all.

Eric The(Ashamed)Hun
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 5:31:24 AM EDT
It's all the apes fault.

"Those bloody Apes!!"
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 6:50:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 10mmFan:
I've always liked that guy. That speech he made a few years ago was a classic. You know the one where he said a bunch of patriotic and smart stuff. Maybe at a college?





Charlton Heston's 'Culture War' Speech at Harvard
------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Winning The Cultural War"
Harvard Law School Forum
February 16, 1999

I remember my son when he was five, explaining to his kindergarten class what his father did for a living. "My Daddy," he said, "pretends to be people."

There have been quite a few of them. Prophets from the Old and New Testaments, a couple of Christian saints, generals of various nationalities and different centuries, several kings, three American presidents, a French cardinal and two geniuses, including Michelangelo. If you want the ceiling re-painted I'll do my best. There always seem to be a lot of different fellows up here. I'm never sure which one of them gets to talk. Right now, I guess I'm the guy.

As I pondered our visit tonight it struck me: If my Creator gave me the gift to connect you with the hearts and minds of those great men, then I want to use that same gift now to re-connect you with your own sense of liberty ... your own freedom of thought ... your own compass for what is right.

Dedicating the memorial at Gettysburg, Abraham Lincoln said of America, "We are now engaged in a great Civil War, testing whether that nation or any nation so conceived and so dedicated can long endure." Those words are true again. I believe that we are again engaged in a great civil war, a cultural war that's about to hijack your birthright to think and say what lives in your heart. I fear you no longer trust the pulsing lifeblood of liberty inside you ... the stuff that made this country rise from wilderness into the miracle that it is.

Let me back up a little. About a year ago I became president of the National Rifle Association, which protects the right to keep and bear arms of American citizens. I ran for office, I was elected, and now I serve ... I serve as a moving target for the media who've called me everything from "ridiculous" and "duped" to a "brain-injured, senile, crazy old man." I know ... I'm pretty old ... but I sure Lord ain't senile.

As I have stood in the crosshairs of those who target Second Amendment freedoms, I've realized that firearms are not the only issue. No…no… it's much, much bigger than that.

I've come to understand that a cultural war is raging across our land, in which, with Orwellian fervor, certain affected thoughts and speech are mandated.

For example, I marched for civil rights with Dr. King in 1963 – long before Hollywood found it fashionable I might say. But when I told an audience last year that white pride is just as valid as black pride or red pride or anyone else's pride, they called me a racist.

I've worked with brilliantly talented homosexuals all my life throughout my whole career. But when I told an audience that gay rights should extend no further than your rights or my rights, I was called a homophobe.

I served in World War II against the Axis powers. But during a speech, when I drew an analogy between singling out innocent Jews and singling out innocent gun owners, I was called an anti-Semite.

Everyone I know knows I would never raise a closed fist against my country. But when I asked an audience to oppose this cultural persecution I am talking about, I was compared to Timothy McVeigh.

From Time magazine to friends and colleagues, they're essentially saying, "Chuck, how dare you speak your mind. You are using language not authorized for public consumption!"

But I am not afraid. If Americans believed in political correctness, we'd still be King George's boys-subjects bound to the British crown.

In his book, "The End of Sanity," Martin Gross writes that "blatantly irrational behavior is rapidly being established as the norm in almost every area of human endeavor. There seem to be new customs, new rules, new anti-intellectual theories regularly foisted on us from every direction. Underneath, the nation is roiling. Americans know something without a name is undermining the nation, turning the mind mushy when it comes to separating truth from falsehood and right from wrong. And they don't like it."

Let me read you a few examples.

At Antioch college in Ohio, young men seeking intimacy with a coed must get verbal permission at each step of the process from kissing to petting to final - at last - copulation ... all clearly spelled out in a printed college directive.

In New Jersey, despite the death of several patients nationwide who had been infected by dentists who had concealed their AIDs --- the state commissioner announced that health providers who are HIV-positive need not... need not ... tell their patients that they are infected.

At William and Mary, students tried to change the name of the school team "The Tribe" because it was supposedly insulting the local Indians, only to learn that authentic Virginia chiefs really liked the name "The Tribe".

In San Francisco, city fathers passed an ordinance protecting the rights of transvestites to cross-dress on the job, and for transsexuals to have separate toilet facilities while undergoing sex change surgery.

In New York City, kids who don't speak a word of Spanish have been placed in bilingual classes to learn their three R's in Spanish solely because their own names sound Hispanic.

At the University of Pennsylvania, in a state where thousands died at Gettysburg opposing slavery, the president of that college officially set up segregated dormitory space for black students. Yeah, I know ... that's out of bounds now. Dr. King said "Negroes." Jimmy Baldwin and most of us on the March said "black." But it's a no-no now.

For me, hyphenated identities are awkward ... particularly "Native-American." I'm a Native American, for God's sake. I also happen to be a blood-initiated brother of the Miniconjou Sioux. On my wife's side, my grandson is a twelfth generation native American ... with a capital letter on "American."

Finally, just last month ... David Howard, head of the Washington D.C. Office of Public Advocate, used the word "niggardly" while talking to colleagues about budgetary matters. Of course, "niggardly" means stingy or scanty. But within days Howard was forced to publicly apologize and then resign.

As columnist Tony Snow wrote: "David Howard got fired because some people in public employ were morons who

a. didn't know the meaning of niggardly,
b. didn't know how to use a dictionary to discover the meaning, and
c. actually demanded that he apologize for their ignorance."

What does all of this mean? It means that telling us what to think has evolved into telling us what to say , so telling us what to do can't be far behind.

Before you claim to be a champion of free thought, tell me: Why did political correctness originate on America's campuses? And why do you continue to tolerate it? Why do you, who're supposed to debate ideas, surrender to their suppression?

Let's be honest. Who here thinks your professors can say what they really believe? Uh-huh…there’s a few…

Now that scares me to death, and should scare you too, that the superstition of political correctness rules the halls of reason.

You are the best and the brightest. You! here in the fertile cradle of American academia, here in the castle of learning on the Charles River, you are the cream. But I submit that you, and your counterparts across the land, are the most socially conformed and politically silenced generation since Concord Bridge. And as long as you validate that ... and abide it ... you are - by your grandfathers' standards - cowards.

Here's another example. Right now at more than one major university, Second Amendment scholars and researchers are being told to shut up about their findings or they'll lose their jobs. Why? Because their research findings would undermine big-city mayor's pending lawsuits that seek to extort hundreds of millions of dollars from firearm manufacturers.

Now I don't care what you think about guns. But if you are not shocked at that, I am shocked at you. Who will guard the raw material of unfettered ideas, if not you? Democracy is dialog! Who will defend the core value of academia, if you supposed soldiers of free thought and expression lay down your arms and plead, "Don't shoot me."

If you talk about race, it does not make you a racist. If you see distinctions between the genders, it does not make you sexist. If you think critically about a denomination, it does not make you anti-religion. If you accept but don't celebrate homosexuality, it does not make you a homophobe.

Don't let America's universities continue to serve as incubators for this rampant epidemic of new McCarthyism. That’s what it is: New McCarthyism.

But, what can you do? How can anyone prevail against such pervasive social subjugation? The answer's been here all along. I learned it 36 years ago, on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C., standing with Dr. Martin Luther King and two hundred thousand people.

You simply ... disobey. Peaceably, yes. Respectfully, of course. Nonviolently, absolutely. But when told how to think or what to say or how to behave, we don't. We disobey social protocol that stifles and stigmatizes personal freedom.

I learned the awesome power of disobedience from Dr.King ... who learned it from Gandhi, and Thoreau, and Jesus, and every other great man who led those in the right against those with the might.

Disobedience is in our DNA. We feel innate kinship with that disobedient spirit that tossed tea into Boston Harbor, that sent Thoreau to jail, that refused to sit in the back of the bus, that protested a war in Viet Nam.

In that same spirit, I am asking you to disavow cultural correctness with massive disobedience of rogue authority, social directives and onerous law that weaken personal freedom. But be careful ... it hurts. Disobedience demands that you put yourself at risk. Dr. King stood on lots of balconies.

You must be willing to be humiliated ... to endure the modern-day equivalent of the police dogs at Montgomery and the water cannons at Selma. You must be willing to experience discomfort. Now I'm not complaining, but my own decades of social activism have left their mark on me.

Let me tell you a story.

A few years ago, I heard about a rapper named Ice-T who was selling a CD called "Cop Killer" celebrating ambushing and murdering police officers. It was being marketed by none other than Time/Warner, the biggest entertainment conglomerate in the counrty - in the world.

Police across the country were outraged. rightfully so - at least one had been murdered. But Time/Warner was stonewalling because the CD was a cash cow for them, and the media were tiptoeing around it because the rapper was black.

I heard Time/Warner had a stockholders meeting scheduled in Beverly Hills. I owned some shares of Time/Warner at the time, so I decided to attend. What I did there was against the advice of my family and colleagues I asked for the floor. To a hushed room of a thousand average American stockholders, I simply read the full lyrics of "Cop Killer" - every vicious, vulgar, instructional word.

"I GOT MY 12 GAUGE SAWED OFF
I GOT MY HEADLIGHTS TURNED OFF
I'M ABOUT TO BUST SOME SHOTS OFF
I'M ABOUT TO DUST SOME COPS OFF..."


It got worse, a lot worse. I won't read the rest of it to you. But trust me, the room was a sea of shocked, frozen, blanched faces.

The Time/Warner executives squirmed in their chairs and stared at their shoes. They hated me for that.

Then I delivered another volley of sick lyric brimming with racist filth, where Ice-T fantasizes about sodomizing two 12-year old nieces of Al and Tipper Gore.

"SHE PUSHED HER BUTT AGAINST MY ...."No…no, I won't do to you here what I did to them. Let's just say I left the room in stunned silence. When I read the lyrics to the waiting press corps, one of them said "We can't print that." "I know," I replied, "but Time/Warner is still selling it."

Two months later, Time/Warner terminated Ice-T's contract. I'll never be offered another film by Warners, or get a good review from Time magazine. But disobedience means you have to be willing to act, not just talk.

When a mugger sues his elderly victim for defending herself ... jam the switchboard of the district attorney's office.

When your university is pressured to lower standards until 80% of the students graduate with honors ... choke the halls of the board of regents.

When an 8-year-old boy pecks a girl's cheek on the playground and gets hauled into court for sexual harassment ... march on that school and block its doorways.

When someone you elected is seduced by political power and betrays you ... petition them, oust them, banish them.

When Time magazine's cover portrays millennium nuts as deranged, crazy Christians holding a cross as it did last month ... boycott their magazine and the products it advertises.

So that this nation may long endure, I urge you to follow in the hallowed footsteps of the great disobediences of history that freed exiles, founded religions, defeated tyrants, and yes, in the hands of an aroused rabble in arms and a few great men, by God's grace, built this country.

If Dr. King were here, I think he would agree. I Thank you.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 7:00:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

Originally Posted By CavVet:
When I saw him here at the NAtional NRA convention- '03?, he didnt look that good. But he stayed and signed books for hours.

Glad I got to shake his hand. Met Wayne LaPierre there as well.


Mr. Heston is a good man. LaPierre is an overrated, overpaid talking head.


Yeah, I wish that I could've seen and heard Chuck Heston before his current decline, but he never came out to the West Coast. He was mostly in the mid-West. Personally for me, Chuck is partially responsible for Al Gore's lost presidential bid.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 7:04:10 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 7:04:50 AM EDT
Moses II "The Bed Pan Years" will be in theaters this spring.[
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 7:39:07 AM EDT
Doesn't he do a second ammendment bit piece in'' Guns and Ammo'' from time to time?
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 7:52:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By warlord:
Personally for me, Chuck is partially responsible for Al Gore's lost presidential bid.



The Libs crucified Heston for saying that Time/Warner should take the high road and dump Ice-T, but they conveniently forget that Parental Warning stickers on CDs were the brainchild of Al and Tipper Gore.


ckmorley


Link Posted: 12/23/2005 8:17:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Minuteman419:
He's still Moses, right?

Danny



Read my mind.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 8:29:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/23/2005 8:30:24 AM EDT by EricTheHun]

Originally Posted By Gunner1X:
Moses II "The Bed Pan Years" will be in theaters this spring.[


Again, what an unbelievable lack of respect for such a fine man.

If everyone was of the same moral stature as Charles Heston, we wouldn't have much of a problem in today's America.

Or posts such as these.

Eric The(DistraughtOverTheFailuresOfSome)Hun
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 8:45:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:

Originally Posted By Gunner1X:
Moses II "The Bed Pan Years" will be in theaters this spring.[


Again, what an unbelievable lack of respect for such a fine man.

If everyone was of the same moral stature as Charles Heston, we wouldn't have much of a problem in today's America.

Or posts such as these.

Eric The(DistraughtOverTheFailuresOfSome)Hun



I agree.



Its one of your fellow Texans, maybe an invite down to the ranch for a few lessons in manners. Nah, I guess when its missed int he home, there is no hope for the future, you cant teach an old dog new tricks.

Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:35:41 AM EDT
Oh please. No disrespect intended. I was refering to the Moses character, not Heston.
Have some egg nog and relax guys.
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:37:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By No_Expert:
According to the IMDB website..... he last movie was:
Genghis Khan (2005) .... playing Togrul.

No "death date" found, but I did find out we share birthdays.....although decades apart.

No Expert


+1

10 4
Link Posted: 12/23/2005 11:59:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Minuteman419:
He's still Moses, right?

Danny



He's still my president.

Link Posted: 12/23/2005 1:32:41 PM EDT
That speech should be etched on every libtards forehead. With a sharp chisel.
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