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Posted: 9/7/2010 8:54:29 AM EDT
Has anyone here installed armor plate on your BOV, battle waggon or gun truck?

What did you use and what areas did you harden? Would angled or louvered aluminum work or would steel plate be necessary? What did you have to do to the suspension to deal with the extra weight?

I would think that for normal SHTF or civil un-rest being able to defend against 7.62mm would be sufficient, but you never know when you might encounter a guy with some 50cal's.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 8:56:57 AM EDT
Oh so tag.

On topic: I have not, I'm trusting the multiple layers of strategically placed rust will defray significant amounts of energy.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 8:58:45 AM EDT
I'm saving telephone books like they did on Mythbusters.

Link Posted: 9/7/2010 9:02:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2010 9:05:05 AM EDT by _DR]
Originally Posted By Dac1915:
Has anyone here installed armor plate on your BOV, battle waggon or gun truck?

What did you use and what areas did you harden? Would angled or louvered aluminum work or would steel plate be necessary? What did you have to do to the suspension to deal with the extra weight?

I would think that for normal SHTF or civil un-rest being able to defend against 7.62mm would be sufficient, but you never know when you might encounter a guy with some 50cal's.


If you want to armor against 7.52x51mm FMJ, you'd better start with a 3/4 ton or better vehicle. That calls for more more than 1/4" hardened steel, and it's going to be heavy, unless you have advanced composite armors or complex spaced armors.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 9:03:46 AM EDT
I don't drive in combat zones - so no, I haven't armored my car.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 9:05:36 AM EDT
Inshallah the aluminum exterior of my corolla will protect me.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 9:07:46 AM EDT
If I were that concerned about it, I'd armor the driver.

Just adding whatever to the vehicle without doing the engineering will likely make the vehicle more dangerous to the occupants than leaving it alone.

Use the wrong metal and take gunfire, and you could have spalling and get more projectiles in the vehicle than the bullets themselves.

Upset the suspension and it could be difficult to control.

Overload the drive train and your vehicle becomes a bunker.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 9:12:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2010 9:21:56 AM EDT by Dac1915]
Originally Posted By Stryfe:
If I were that concerned about it, I'd armor the driver.

Just adding whatever to the vehicle without doing the engineering will likely make the vehicle more dangerous to the occupants than leaving it alone.

Use the wrong metal and take gunfire, and you could have spalling and get more projectiles in the vehicle than the bullets themselves.

Upset the suspension and it could be difficult to control.

Overload the drive train and your vehicle becomes a bunker.


Well, I was thinking about protecting the engine, radiator (or maybe relocating it), driver, gunner and the electronics for the command and communications suite. the harem of horney housewives would be expendable.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 9:14:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2010 9:26:33 AM EDT by _DR]
Originally Posted By Stryfe:
If I were that concerned about it, I'd armor the driver.

Just adding whatever to the vehicle without doing the engineering will likely make the vehicle more dangerous to the occupants than leaving it alone.

Use the wrong metal and take gunfire, and you could have spalling and get more projectiles in the vehicle than the bullets themselves.

Upset the suspension and it could be difficult to control.

Overload the drive train and your vehicle becomes a bunker.


Buying a purpose built armored car like a Saladin or Saracen would make more sense. I've seen them for ~$20,000 and up in texas.

Surplus Deuces and 5-tons also would lend themselves to up-amoring as we saw in iraq.

Fixxer upper on ebay right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Daimler-Ferret-British-Armoured-Recon-Vehicle-/110582769912?pt=Military_Vehicles&hash=item19bf3f28f8


Link Posted: 9/7/2010 9:21:38 AM EDT
i built a 1/2inch steel plate battery box, radiator armor, and seats/doors lined with Kevlar panels.


No not really i dont even have a car
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 9:31:43 AM EDT
I would guess that some Kevlar along the fire wall and in the doors would probably be most of what you could do without serious re-engineering. Maybe a bullet resistant glass.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 11:06:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2010 11:10:39 AM EDT by Joel621R]
I have a portable point defense system that destroy's all incoming fire and threats, it plugs into the cigarette lighter, who needs armour?
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 11:22:49 AM EDT
I have some armor plate targets that I made up, that have an angle welded on the top, so that I can just hang them over the top of plywood targets. They will hang from the deuce door also. Good up to about .308
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 11:30:32 AM EDT
I would love to own an uparmored low key Suburban.

Just for those late night ops to White Castle.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 11:38:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By _DR:
Originally Posted By Stryfe:
If I were that concerned about it, I'd armor the driver.

Just adding whatever to the vehicle without doing the engineering will likely make the vehicle more dangerous to the occupants than leaving it alone.

Use the wrong metal and take gunfire, and you could have spalling and get more projectiles in the vehicle than the bullets themselves.

Upset the suspension and it could be difficult to control.

Overload the drive train and your vehicle becomes a bunker.


Buying a purpose built armored car like a Saladin or Saracen would make more sense. I've seen them for ~$20,000 and up in texas.

Surplus Deuces and 5-tons also would lend themselves to up-amoring as we saw in iraq.

Fixxer upper on ebay right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Daimler-Ferret-British-Armoured-Recon-Vehicle-/110582769912?pt=Military_Vehicles&hash=item19bf3f28f8


http://i53.tinypic.com/28084ch.jpg

Can these prices possibly be real?

http://www.armyjeeps.net/armor1.htm
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 11:39:49 AM EDT



i have quite a bit of composite hard armor and spall liner laying around (as well as some hybrid panels) in varying thicknesses. i've often thought about adding them to my vehicle just because i can, and because it would be funny.


Link Posted: 9/7/2010 11:40:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2010 11:42:57 AM EDT by ED_P]
As a cheap, but very economical investment, I've often thought of having the shatter proof glass film installed on side and rear windows. The front window already has the film as part of auto safety standards.

Though it won't stop bullets, I think alot of theft/car jacking/rioting type situations will involve someone trying to smash your side windows to get at your car or you. Just having them shatter without opening could save your life or items in the car.

Bullet proofing against rifle rounds will add a ton of weight and window thickness, in comparison to plastic film.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 11:43:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Dac1915:
Has anyone here installed armor plate on your BOV, battle waggon or gun truck?

What did you use and what areas did you harden? Would angled or louvered aluminum work or would steel plate be necessary? What did you have to do to the suspension to deal with the extra weight?

I would think that for normal SHTF or civil un-rest being able to defend against 7.62mm would be sufficient, but you never know when you might encounter a guy with some 50cal's.


There are companies that do armoring.

For only a couple hundred thousand dollars, you can have it professionally done.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 11:46:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2010 11:47:26 AM EDT by jhud]
I upgraded my hummer windshields to ballistic glass. It can take a few 7.62 hits.
In the future, I will get the doors and hatchback, hood and grill
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 11:50:00 AM EDT
I think trying to defeat 7.62x51 is a bit optimistic. Might be better to settle for 9 mm.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 11:57:30 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DonS:
I think trying to defeat 7.62x51 is a bit optimistic. Might be better to settle for 9 mm.


What If I have a magnetic coating under the paint?
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 12:10:00 PM EDT
This is my Bug Out Vehicle. I keep it in the shop with the racks filled and ready to go. Good up to a .50, then you have to worry. If the neighbors get RPG's or mines, I could be in real trouble, but we can cross that when we get to it!

Link Posted: 9/7/2010 12:50:21 PM EDT
I have not, but I don't have a BOV that is not a daily driver yet. If I could, I would.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:05:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BushBoar:

Originally Posted By _DR:
Originally Posted By Stryfe:
If I were that concerned about it, I'd armor the driver.

Just adding whatever to the vehicle without doing the engineering will likely make the vehicle more dangerous to the occupants than leaving it alone.

Use the wrong metal and take gunfire, and you could have spalling and get more projectiles in the vehicle than the bullets themselves.

Upset the suspension and it could be difficult to control.

Overload the drive train and your vehicle becomes a bunker.


Buying a purpose built armored car like a Saladin or Saracen would make more sense. I've seen them for ~$20,000 and up in texas.

Surplus Deuces and 5-tons also would lend themselves to up-amoring as we saw in iraq.

Fixxer upper on ebay right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Daimler-Ferret-British-Armoured-Recon-Vehicle-/110582769912?pt=Military_Vehicles&hash=item19bf3f28f8


http://i53.tinypic.com/28084ch.jpg

Can these prices possibly be real?

http://www.armyjeeps.net/armor1.htm


I would say so, many of those are fully restored.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:08:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2010 1:12:33 PM EDT by _DR]
Originally Posted By MOMIL:
This is my Bug Out Vehicle. I keep it in the shop with the racks filled and ready to go. Good up to a .50, then you have to worry. If the neighbors get RPG's or mines, I could be in real trouble, but we can cross that when we get to it!

http://www.mooremilitaria.com/IMG_1045.jpg


Not so sure about that - seems like they always told us 7.62x51 would penetrate the aluminum on our M113s...

Sides are only 1.75" aluminum. basically a big aluminum box on tracks. Don't get me wrong, I loved the M113, but to me it was a battlefield taxi, not a tank.

I just wish I could have ever drawn one that had a functional heater in it.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:18:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By _DR:
Originally Posted By Stryfe:
If I were that concerned about it, I'd armor the driver.

Just adding whatever to the vehicle without doing the engineering will likely make the vehicle more dangerous to the occupants than leaving it alone.

Use the wrong metal and take gunfire, and you could have spalling and get more projectiles in the vehicle than the bullets themselves.

Upset the suspension and it could be difficult to control.

Overload the drive train and your vehicle becomes a bunker.


Buying a purpose built armored car like a Saladin or Saracen would make more sense. I've seen them for ~$20,000 and up in texas.

Surplus Deuces and 5-tons also would lend themselves to up-amoring as we saw in iraq.

Fixxer upper on ebay right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Daimler-Ferret-British-Armoured-Recon-Vehicle-/110582769912?pt=Military_Vehicles&hash=item19bf3f28f8


http://i53.tinypic.com/28084ch.jpg


Any idea on the insignia on the turret? Looks like a armored hand holding something?

I saw a guy flying a rebel flag and I think that emblem on another flag. White Power?
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:19:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2010 1:20:17 PM EDT by Harlikwin]
Originally Posted By _DR:
Originally Posted By Stryfe:
If I were that concerned about it, I'd armor the driver.

Just adding whatever to the vehicle without doing the engineering will likely make the vehicle more dangerous to the occupants than leaving it alone.

Use the wrong metal and take gunfire, and you could have spalling and get more projectiles in the vehicle than the bullets themselves.

Upset the suspension and it could be difficult to control.

Overload the drive train and your vehicle becomes a bunker.


Buying a purpose built armored car like a Saladin or Saracen would make more sense. I've seen them for ~$20,000 and up in texas.

Surplus Deuces and 5-tons also would lend themselves to up-amoring as we saw in iraq.


Fixxer upper on ebay right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Daimler-Ferret-British-Armoured-Recon-Vehicle-/110582769912?pt=Military_Vehicles&hash=item19bf3f28f8


http://i53.tinypic.com/28084ch.jpg



Yeah, I wonder what its like to keep those running with spares etc?
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:23:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By _DR:
Originally Posted By BushBoar:

Originally Posted By _DR:
Originally Posted By Stryfe:
If I were that concerned about it, I'd armor the driver.

Just adding whatever to the vehicle without doing the engineering will likely make the vehicle more dangerous to the occupants than leaving it alone.

Use the wrong metal and take gunfire, and you could have spalling and get more projectiles in the vehicle than the bullets themselves.

Upset the suspension and it could be difficult to control.

Overload the drive train and your vehicle becomes a bunker.


Buying a purpose built armored car like a Saladin or Saracen would make more sense. I've seen them for ~$20,000 and up in texas.

Surplus Deuces and 5-tons also would lend themselves to up-amoring as we saw in iraq.

Fixxer upper on ebay right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Daimler-Ferret-British-Armoured-Recon-Vehicle-/110582769912?pt=Military_Vehicles&hash=item19bf3f28f8


http://i53.tinypic.com/28084ch.jpg

Can these prices possibly be real?

http://www.armyjeeps.net/armor1.htm


I would say so, many of those are fully restored.

Some of them looked quite a bit lower than I would have thought - that's why I asked.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:24:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By _DR:
Originally Posted By MOMIL:
This is my Bug Out Vehicle. I keep it in the shop with the racks filled and ready to go. Good up to a .50, then you have to worry. If the neighbors get RPG's or mines, I could be in real trouble, but we can cross that when we get to it!

http://www.mooremilitaria.com/IMG_1045.jpg


Not so sure about that - seems like they always told us 7.62x51 would penetrate the aluminum on our M113s...

Sides are only 1.75" aluminum. basically a big aluminum box on tracks. Don't get me wrong, I loved the M113, but to me it was a battlefield taxi, not a tank.

I just wish I could have ever drawn one that had a functional heater in it.


50 on the front, 762 on the sides is all its normally rated for.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:25:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BushBoar:

Originally Posted By _DR:
Originally Posted By BushBoar:

Originally Posted By _DR:
Originally Posted By Stryfe:
If I were that concerned about it, I'd armor the driver.

Just adding whatever to the vehicle without doing the engineering will likely make the vehicle more dangerous to the occupants than leaving it alone.

Use the wrong metal and take gunfire, and you could have spalling and get more projectiles in the vehicle than the bullets themselves.

Upset the suspension and it could be difficult to control.

Overload the drive train and your vehicle becomes a bunker.


Buying a purpose built armored car like a Saladin or Saracen would make more sense. I've seen them for ~$20,000 and up in texas.

Surplus Deuces and 5-tons also would lend themselves to up-amoring as we saw in iraq.

Fixxer upper on ebay right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Daimler-Ferret-British-Armoured-Recon-Vehicle-/110582769912?pt=Military_Vehicles&hash=item19bf3f28f8


http://i53.tinypic.com/28084ch.jpg

Can these prices possibly be real?

http://www.armyjeeps.net/armor1.htm


I would say so, many of those are fully restored.

Some of them looked quite a bit lower than I would have thought - that's why I asked.


Yeah, keeping them running is the major problem, esp tracked vehicles... Also finding somewhere to run them is another large problem.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:28:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2010 1:29:23 PM EDT by 1Andy2]
I don't know how you could effectively armor the engine compartment for a deuce and a half. There's nothing to hang heavy armor plate from.

Maybe bolt or weld a wrap around shield to the bumper? Have to make a new mushroom cap for the air intake. And it'll make servicing the engine compartment a little more difficult. How are you going to climb onto the fender with that shield in the way?

Not to mention that the deuce and a half is already REALLY freaking front-heavy. So you're screwing with your off-road capability.
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:41:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2010 1:42:29 PM EDT by 161Infantry]
Originally Posted By MOMIL:
This is my Bug Out Vehicle. I keep it in the shop with the racks filled and ready to go. Good up to a .50, then you have to worry. If the neighbors get RPG's or mines, I could be in real trouble, but we can cross that when we get to it!

http://www.mooremilitaria.com/IMG_1045.jpg
113-A2......Nope, not good up to .50cal..there are two places I can pierce the hull with .30cal and both are bad spots to get penetrated.......

Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:55:45 PM EDT
I have gone for full all round vision, and ability to engage from almost any angle in my BOV

Link Posted: 9/7/2010 1:58:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/7/2010 2:17:48 PM EDT by Young-Kiwi]
On a related note, earlier this week we had a bit of an earth quake here in NZ, and one person went to get in their AWD subaru to leave town.



A fuller set of photos
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:08:58 PM EDT
I'm sure a lot of you have seen this before, but I'd just get one of these instead...


Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:44:59 PM EDT
Burn Notice just slipped phonebooks into the spaces in the doors... stopped like a million rounds!!!
Link Posted: 9/7/2010 2:59:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Harlikwin:
Originally Posted By BushBoar:

Originally Posted By _DR:
Originally Posted By BushBoar:

Originally Posted By _DR:
Originally Posted By Stryfe:
If I were that concerned about it, I'd armor the driver.

Just adding whatever to the vehicle without doing the engineering will likely make the vehicle more dangerous to the occupants than leaving it alone.

Use the wrong metal and take gunfire, and you could have spalling and get more projectiles in the vehicle than the bullets themselves.

Upset the suspension and it could be difficult to control.

Overload the drive train and your vehicle becomes a bunker.


Buying a purpose built armored car like a Saladin or Saracen would make more sense. I've seen them for ~$20,000 and up in texas.

Surplus Deuces and 5-tons also would lend themselves to up-amoring as we saw in iraq.

Fixxer upper on ebay right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Daimler-Ferret-British-Armoured-Recon-Vehicle-/110582769912?pt=Military_Vehicles&hash=item19bf3f28f8


http://i53.tinypic.com/28084ch.jpg

Can these prices possibly be real?

http://www.armyjeeps.net/armor1.htm


I would say so, many of those are fully restored.

Some of them looked quite a bit lower than I would have thought - that's why I asked.


Yeah, keeping them running is the major problem, esp tracked vehicles... Also finding somewhere to run them is another large problem.


Those Cadillac Gage armored cars look sweet and fast.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:24:09 AM EDT
Originally Posted By _DR:
Originally Posted By Harlikwin:
Originally Posted By BushBoar:

Originally Posted By _DR:
Originally Posted By BushBoar:

Originally Posted By _DR:
Originally Posted By Stryfe:
If I were that concerned about it, I'd armor the driver.

Just adding whatever to the vehicle without doing the engineering will likely make the vehicle more dangerous to the occupants than leaving it alone.

Use the wrong metal and take gunfire, and you could have spalling and get more projectiles in the vehicle than the bullets themselves.

Upset the suspension and it could be difficult to control.

Overload the drive train and your vehicle becomes a bunker.


Buying a purpose built armored car like a Saladin or Saracen would make more sense. I've seen them for ~$20,000 and up in texas.

Surplus Deuces and 5-tons also would lend themselves to up-amoring as we saw in iraq.

Fixxer upper on ebay right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Daimler-Ferret-British-Armoured-Recon-Vehicle-/110582769912?pt=Military_Vehicles&hash=item19bf3f28f8


http://i53.tinypic.com/28084ch.jpg

Can these prices possibly be real?

http://www.armyjeeps.net/armor1.htm


I would say so, many of those are fully restored.

Some of them looked quite a bit lower than I would have thought - that's why I asked.


Yeah, keeping them running is the major problem, esp tracked vehicles... Also finding somewhere to run them is another large problem.


Those Cadillac Gage armored cars look sweet and fast.


Yeah and since they are made in the US you might be able to get parts...
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:26:49 AM EDT
I lined the inside of my BOV with phone books.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:41:12 AM EDT
You have to cover the entire outer surface with pages from the Bible if you want it to protect against Sharia.

Link Posted: 9/8/2010 6:43:30 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Young-Kiwi:
I have gone for full all round vision, and ability to engage from almost any angle in my BOV

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c110/young-kiwi/roadsterrange.jpg


dude your steering wheel is on the wrong side, you might want to get that fixed
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 7:51:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Harlikwin:
Originally Posted By _DR:
Originally Posted By Harlikwin:
Originally Posted By BushBoar:

Originally Posted By _DR:
Originally Posted By BushBoar:

Originally Posted By _DR:
Originally Posted By Stryfe:
If I were that concerned about it, I'd armor the driver.

Just adding whatever to the vehicle without doing the engineering will likely make the vehicle more dangerous to the occupants than leaving it alone.

Use the wrong metal and take gunfire, and you could have spalling and get more projectiles in the vehicle than the bullets themselves.

Upset the suspension and it could be difficult to control.

Overload the drive train and your vehicle becomes a bunker.


Buying a purpose built armored car like a Saladin or Saracen would make more sense. I've seen them for ~$20,000 and up in texas.

Surplus Deuces and 5-tons also would lend themselves to up-amoring as we saw in iraq.

Fixxer upper on ebay right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Daimler-Ferret-British-Armoured-Recon-Vehicle-/110582769912?pt=Military_Vehicles&hash=item19bf3f28f8


http://i53.tinypic.com/28084ch.jpg

Can these prices possibly be real?

http://www.armyjeeps.net/armor1.htm


I would say so, many of those are fully restored.

Some of them looked quite a bit lower than I would have thought - that's why I asked.


Yeah, keeping them running is the major problem, esp tracked vehicles... Also finding somewhere to run them is another large problem.


Those Cadillac Gage armored cars look sweet and fast.


Yeah and since they are made in the US you might be able to get parts...

I want a half track really bad but the Cadillac Gage would probably be my choice.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 2:08:04 PM EDT
Seems likely you'd get better quality at a lower price buying a used check cashing van. And the engineering/construction has already been done for you. Demand is low so prices are cheap.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 2:53:39 PM EDT
Manhole covers.

And you did NOT hear that from me!
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 2:58:16 PM EDT
I have some genuine Bakersfield light Earth armor, and smears of shopping cart war paint on both my BOVs.
Link Posted: 9/8/2010 8:12:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 3rdpig:
Manhole covers.

And you did NOT hear that from me!


Are those forged or cast?
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