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Posted: 10/2/2012 2:06:21 PM EDT
I'm at a cease fire at the range and we have a few guys changing their targets.

One guy finished shooting and decided to case his rie and take it to his car, handling it while people are down range.

The rules of the club are if the range is cold no one touches the guns

There is no range officer as this is members only hours. I didn't say anything to him but am wishing I had politey reminded him of the rules.

What would you have done?

Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:07:32 PM EDT
Casing a gun?  I don't have a problem with it as long as he is holding to up and not down range.  in fact, probably safer if you think about it.
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:08:04 PM EDT
Wow that's a dick move.

Tell him to wait next time.
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:08:45 PM EDT
Wouldn't bother me if he wasn't muzzling folks.
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:11:12 PM EDT
Guy did that while under a cease fire this past weekend.
RO tore him a new asshole and I don't blame him at all.
All it takes is one fucking shot and your day is ruined.

Leave the gun alone until the range is hot.
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:11:29 PM EDT
Throw your coaches paddle at him!
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:12:20 PM EDT
NO NO  NONONONONO

HELL NO

No touching of firearms on a cold range means exactly that.

NO TOUCHING OF FIREARMS

for fuck's sake
He can fucking wait til it's hot range again.

damn right I'd have a problem with that
and you should have said something.

Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:12:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Casing a gun?  I don't have a problem with it as long as he is holding to up and not down range.  in fact, probably safer if you think about it.


i think i agree with this......casing a gun isn't endangering anybody.....
and removing a weapon from the firing line isn't a bad thing if the persons done.....if my weapon is empty and i'm ready to leave, i'm not waiting for people to get done mucking with their targets to gather my things and be off....now, that said....standing at a cold firing line and dicking with your weapon is a douche move.....grabbing the gun and removing yourself to the tables behing the lines? a-ok in my book
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:15:33 PM EDT
Lifting a weapon away from downrange and putting it away?

I have no problem with that.

What difference does it make that it's during a cease fire? If something stupid is going to happen, it's going to happen no matter what the range condition.

Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:17:52 PM EDT
The rules are there for good reason,There's nothing wrong with a polite reminder.
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:18:52 PM EDT
Not cool!
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:19:10 PM EDT
During a cease fire you move away from all weapons, you don't touch shit.
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:20:51 PM EDT
During cease fire we put them on a table and step back from them behind a line about 6 feet away.
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:22:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/2/2012 2:23:24 PM EDT by Leanangle]
Originally Posted By BozemanMT:
NO NO  NONONONONO

HELL NO

No touching of firearms on a cold range means exactly that.

NO TOUCHING OF FIREARMS

for fuck's sake
He can fucking wait til it's hot range again.

damn right I'd have a problem with that
and you should have said something.



That's pretty much my stand. Whether he's casing the gun or not makes little difference. He could still have an ND and send one down range.

Show some respect to the people around you and wait the 15 minutes. If you're in that much of a hurry, get your shit together sooner by packing up at the end of your last live session.

At our local public range the range instructors won't hesitate to crawl up the ass of anyone breaking this rule, and that's one of the reasons I like shooting there.
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:22:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By sslocal:
Guy did that while under a cease fire this past weekend.
RO tore him a new asshole and I don't blame him at all.All it takes is one fucking shot and your day is ruined.

Leave the gun alone until the range is hot.


+1

And, that is an example of a good RO.  

There are WAY too many ADs in this country.  These are the result of gun-owning MORONS who do not take gun handling seriously.  If you disagree, please consider a hobby OTHER THAN owning firearms.  

Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:23:11 PM EDT



Originally Posted By NPOwned:


The rules are there for good reason,There's nothing wrong with a polite reminder.


This............safety first!!!



 
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:25:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/2/2012 2:26:04 PM EDT by BubbaDog81]
Originally Posted By h3smith:
During a cease fire you move away from all weapons, you don't touch shit.


Sad that people don't get that. Go take risks in your own home, not in my presence.
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:26:28 PM EDT
Draw down yelling "YOU WILL NOT TOUCH YOUR WEAPON"

Then kick him in the balls.

Maybe fuck his hottest female relative.

Then draw dicks on his car windows with ketchup.

And kick his dog.


Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:28:05 PM EDT
Happiness is your own range.

I do what the heck I want when I quit shooting.
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:30:15 PM EDT
That person can wait until the range is hot again to case his gun, I've done it out of respect to the other shooters and they can do the same.

I reamed 2 guys a new asshole over the summer for handling their weapons while people were changing targets, I told 1 guy twice my size if I saw him do it again I'd stick the gun up his ass....and then the RO came up and escorted both clowns off the range.
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:30:38 PM EDT
Cold line is a cold line for a reason,that guy might be OK but what about the next jerk off and how would he feel if some jerk off was casing when he was down range ?

I don't know who's the jerk off and who's not,so they are all jerk offs especially when I can be shot.I have seen a lot of fucked up people at the range do a lot of stupid things just about every time I go.If I had a piece of property to shoot on I would never go to a public range.But I don't .
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:32:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By h3smith:
During a cease fire you move away from all weapons, you don't touch shit.

This. If you haven't packed up by the time it's called, wait a few lousy minutes.

Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:33:35 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:33:41 PM EDT
Originally Posted By VACaver:
Lifting a weapon away from downrange and putting it away?

I have no problem with that.

What difference does it make that it's during a cease fire? If something stupid is going to happen, it's going to happen no matter what the range condition.



Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:36:35 PM EDT
It's a flipping cease fire.  There is no handling of firearms during that time.  Can't wait the few mins to offer someone some common courtesy?
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:36:38 PM EDT
It has been my experience in the past (don't go to ranges anymore, always shoot by myself on land now) that before the range was declared safe everyone needed to unload and lock back their slides/bolts/what not before anyone could even begin to go down range.



I would have no issue with someone packing away a firearm that was already confirmed to be unloaded with the mechanism locked back.




Some of you guys are a little too uptight.
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:43:25 PM EDT
Doesn't really bug me if they look like they're being safe about it.  I usually don't myself out of courtesy for others, never on a tight range.



You have to go downrange and remove your targets anyway, sweep brass, throw away boxes, pack up your other shit.  Was probably a range slob too.



Now if I'm waiting on some obese fuck to waddle pause and pant back from the 200m line after everyone else is long back... fuckit I'm packing up safely.

Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:44:24 PM EDT
That hands-off rule doesn't exist because someone thought something bad might happen, it exists because something bad did happen.  If you  want to repeat history, go ahead when you're by yourself.  If you break that rule when I'm at the range, we'll have a conversation.
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:45:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/2/2012 2:51:12 PM EDT by D233]
Originally Posted By mdguy90:
I'm at a cease fire at the range and we have a few guys changing their targets.

One guy finished shooting and decided to case his rie and take it to his car, handling it while people are down range.

The rules of the club are if the range is cold no one touches the guns

There is no range officer as this is members only hours. I didn't say anything to him but am wishing I had politey reminded him of the rules.

What would you have done?





In your case I'd say something to the guy as soon as he touched his gun on a cold range and remind him of the rule.
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:50:40 PM EDT

Cease fire not only means the handling of firearms is
prohibited…




It also means that NO ONE should be forward of the firing
line.




Fucking period… no exceptions… all it takes is one careless
ass hole to change someone’s life forever.




I have no problem politely reminding people of the rules and
if they are a dick about it, I will leave the range and notify the proper
authorities.




Usually though most of the other shooters back you up and it’s
a non-issue.




Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:50:43 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BozemanMT:
NO NO  NONONONONO

HELL NO

No touching of firearms on a cold range means exactly that.

NO TOUCHING OF FIREARMS

for fuck's sake
He can fucking wait til it's hot range again.

damn right I'd have a problem with that
and you should have said something.




THIS  ^^


It's only 'casing' a firearm until the fucker goes off because it was 'unloaded', and since all muzzles should be always pointed downrange, guess where that 'unloaded' projo is headed.

Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:51:14 PM EDT
Handling weapons at the firing line while cold - Fuck no.

Handling weapons behind the firing line, at any time means there are likely people between you and the targets. Safe handling practices should not follow a schedule.

Cold or hot should make no difference away from the line.



Somebody got on my ass at a range for handling a handgun while the range was called cold. I was not at the line, or behind the line by the extra rifle racks, I was 30 ft from the line standing in the parking lot.   This overzealous FOLLOW THE RULES!!!!11!!1 RO behavior is exactly why I now only shoot in the desert.
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:51:29 PM EDT
Range cold means exactly that - no one touches a firearm while someone is downrange.
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:51:55 PM EDT



Originally Posted By polecat30:


Draw down yelling "YOU WILL NOT TOUCH YOUR WEAPON"



Then kick him in the balls.



Maybe fuck his hottest female relative.



Then draw dicks on his car windows with ketchup.



And kick his dog.






There's no need to get carried away...





 
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:53:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By David_ESM:
It has been my experience in the past (don't go to ranges anymore, always shoot by myself on land now) that before the range was declared safe everyone needed to unload and lock back their slides/bolts/what not before anyone could even begin to go down range.

I would have no issue with someone packing away a firearm that was already confirmed to be unloaded with the mechanism locked back.

Some of you guys are a little too uptight.


This has been my experience also.

AR with the bolt locked back and no mag in it, there is no reason it can't be cased while you're changing targets, especially if the owner is keeping the weapon pointed in a safe direction while putting it in it's case.

Now if the "cold" range was just to set the weapons on the table and back away, without any verification of loaded/unloaded then I can understand getting upset at someone for handling the gun while you're down range.
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:53:14 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Bushman_269:
Range cold means exactly that - no one touches a firearm while someone is downrange.


This.

Link Posted: 10/2/2012 2:54:14 PM EDT
I like shooting somewhere where I can carry a loaded weapon downrange with me to change targets, and rarely another soul for miles to worry about having a loaded firearm while I am changing targets. I really do need an ATV though for the long range target changes....
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 3:05:11 PM EDT
Cold range, no one should be handling firearms for any reason.  If you start allowing people to be at the bench during a cease fire, it won't be long before someone makes a mistake.  Yes, it can be a minor pain to wait to load up your stuff, but I've seen people at a range slam a mag back in, close the bolt or slide and proceed to put the gun back in the case. And for an RO, how do they know that guy at the bench is just loading up his gear?  Ranges have to take the lowest common denominator into account, and while some of the rules can seem overly restrictive, they're in place for a reason. Much safer for everyone if no one can handle their guns during cease fire.

We all would like to think everyone will follow proper rules of safe handling, but any trip to a range proves otherwise. Would you want to be downrange when some random jackass decides its time to pack up?  Either get your stuff ready before cease fire, or wait.
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 3:07:23 PM EDT
Not sure about you guys, but when I case my firearms, AR15 for example, I close the bolt, point it downrange and squeeze the trigger, dropping the hammer on an empty chamber. Even if you don't do that, putting an AR15 in a case is almost certainly going to cause the bolt to go forward.

Now, if I was downrange and someone did that, I'd be fucking pissed.

OP, I would have politely reminded the fellow in question about the rule. Polite is key, he probably isn't a real window licker, he just forgot.
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 3:13:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/2/2012 3:20:31 PM EDT by Caboose314]
Ask someone who has been in combat how many guns they got muzzle swept by.  The most common answer I get to this question is "all of them"

As long as the 4 rules are followed, I'm fine with it.  This assumes they are vertical on a rack behind the bench, thus there is no muzzle sweep.

I don't shoot at public ranges unless I'm taking a class.  This gets me away from the range nazis and retards alike
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 3:14:24 PM EDT
I wouldn't mind casing a firearm while the range is cold, >IF< nobody is downrange. Otherwise, wait til everyone's behind the firing line before you start casing, and make sure others know what you are doing, so they don't assume you are going to load and shoot while range is cold.
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 3:16:34 PM EDT



Originally Posted By Sylvan:


Casing a gun?  I don't have a problem with it as long as he is holding to up and not down range.  in fact, probably safer if you think about it.


This.  I don't understand the hand wringing over this "violation"

 
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 3:16:38 PM EDT
When I was an RSO on a public range we had to assume everyone was a dumbass with a hot chamber. Now that I'm at a member owned club we just open actions and put them down. With friends and people I trust hot weapons handled properly are the norm.
 
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 3:19:00 PM EDT
unacceptable let the lazy fuck wait.
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 3:23:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/2/2012 3:24:58 PM EDT by AcidGambit]
I had a friend get shot while changing his target because of things like that. Cold on a public/membership* means you don't touch your firearms, period.

When I'm shooting with people I know or know are safe, "Cold" pretty much just means don't fire your weapon. Most classes are like that, point your firearm in a safe direction if you need to dick with it... But those are big boy rules and a lot of people, no matter how much it costs to join the club or how much their gun costs are not terribly safe or intelligent.
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 3:23:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AKengineer:
When I was an RSO on a public range we had to assume everyone was a dumbass with a hot chamber.  


For good reason.
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 3:26:34 PM EDT
By what magic do you guys think ND's only go down range?

How many of you go to ranges where the rifles are left sitting on the benches, pointing down range, at you, but thats OK because its a cold range, and no one ever leaves a round in the chamber.

Link Posted: 10/2/2012 3:27:56 PM EDT
I got reamed out for loading a mag during a cold range.
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 3:28:46 PM EDT
I forcefully remind people that this is a rule. No gun handling during a ceasefire, period.
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 3:31:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SirSqueeboo:
I got reamed out for loading a mag during a cold range.


And that is the problem.  OMFG HE IS TOUCHING A MAGAZINE, WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE.

It is more dangerous to case a weapon with everyone on the firing line than it is during a target change.

The most dangerous range is where people freak out instead of staying fucking calm.
I guess being a safety officer might be the greatest accomplishment in someone's life, so, make the most of it.
Link Posted: 10/2/2012 3:35:27 PM EDT



Originally Posted By RyJones:


I forcefully remind people that this is a rule. No gun handling during a ceasefire, period.


I'm an RSO, this is the way it's played.

 
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