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Posted: 6/4/2010 5:30:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/4/2010 5:31:20 AM EDT by targettarget]






Industry:
Thousands of oil jobs at risk


By ALAN SAYRE
   AP Business Writer
© 2010 The Associated Press







June  3, 2010,  7:12PM








http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/7035509.html














   

NEW ORLEANS
   — With a six-month moratorium ordered for deepwater drilling in the
Gulf of Mexico, oilfield companies and analysts are warning of job
losses and production delays.





   


In addition, drilling companies could send idled rigs to foreign
markets, and new regulation could make producing some fields
unprofitable, they said.





   


"This administration is playing Russian roulette with the economy
of the Gulf Coast," said Ken Wells, president of the Offshore Marine
Service Association, which represents 105 oilfield service companies.





   


Allan Pulsipher, a Gulf oil industry analyst at Louisiana State
University, said drilling companies will go where the business is.





   


"Those rigs are mobile and if they can get several hundred
thousand dollars a day, they'll move," he said.





   


Companies that operate service vessels and helicopters, cater
meals and provide specialized services like undersea robots could be
forced to lay off workers if new drilling stops.





   


In Texas, state figures show there were 86,900 jobs in oil and
natural gas extraction in April and another 107,800 in support
industries. Louisiana registered 9,000 extraction jobs and 36,700
support jobs.





   


Interior
Secretary Ken Salazar's report to President Barack Obama
recommending the six-month moratorium noted "offshore operations
provide direct employment estimated at 150,000 jobs."
The report
didn't
mention of possible job losses.





   


A recent analysis by the Louisiana Mid-Continent Oil and Gas
Association, a trade group, said a moratorium would defer 80,000 barrels
of daily production in 2011, or about 4 percent of projected deepwater
production for the year.





   


The Gulf produces about 30 percent of the oil and 11 percent of
the natural gas for the United States.





   


"It appears that less draconian and potentially less harmful
solutions such as increased inspection and recertification of equipment
would be an acceptable compromise," said Burt Adams, chairman of the
Washington-based National Ocean Industries Association.





   


The LMOGA analysis said each of the 33 deepwater drilling rigs
idled by the president's order employs 180 to 280 workers with an
average weekly wage of $1,804. State labor officials said the average
weekly manufacturing wage in Louisiana was just under $1,000.





   


If the Gulf is off limits, rigs could be moved, perhaps to the
rapidly expanding Brazil market. Long-term contracts would make them
unavailable for years after the moratorium is lifted, Adams said.





   


Wells said a survey of his group showed vessel operators are
"getting notices that they're getting cut loose and the companies are
having to decide whether they can survive this or whether they will have
to lay off crews." Wells estimated as many as 100 vessels could be tied
up soon.





   


Houston-based Baker Hughes Inc., a technical support company with
about 2,000 employees in the Gulf, said it would shift some to other
projects and transfer others to foreign sites. The company also said it
would reduce hiring during the moratorium.


––––––––





We only added 30K new non-government jobs in May.  If we lose 150K in the gulf over the next 6 months, it will only take 5 additional months to replace all of them!  















 
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 5:40:00 AM EDT
The company I work for supplies small buildings for the offshore industry.  This is going to hurt.  It's already slow, and now forcast to get slower.  

To me, this just looks like the typical knee-jerk reaction by .gov officials.  I plan on reacting the same way in November.

We were on the job from day one.   Horseshit.
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 5:41:33 AM EDT
It's for the children.  No cost it too high.
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 5:43:50 AM EDT
The government needs a knee jerk kick in the nuts.  Some "feel good" mandatory BOP inspections/tests would be the logical thing to do, but destroying big oil just feels so good when your a socialist.
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 5:43:51 AM EDT
I heard the IRS has a few openings.





Look... it's for the children.


Link Posted: 6/4/2010 5:56:02 AM EDT
spot on for libber mentality
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 5:57:52 AM EDT
But at least the beach will be clean for all of those who wish to recreate.
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 5:58:57 AM EDT
Not to upset the damn-the-torpedoes-full-speed ahead-crowd, but hasn't the event that precipitated the moratorium on offshore drilling already cost thousands of jobs and businesses to go tits up?

It seems to me that to prevent a repeat of the last month, a short suspension of drilling to review applications, safety measures, and emergency plans, would seem to be not only in order, but prudent.

Link Posted: 6/4/2010 5:59:37 AM EDT
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
But at least the beach will be clean for all of those who wish to recreate.


No, they won't.  For a loooong time to come.

(Which is also going to cost thousands of jobs)
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 6:07:45 AM EDT
Its amazing to me that after such a disaster so many people are still so gung ho for "business as usual".
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 6:09:02 AM EDT



Originally Posted By Specop_007:


Its amazing to me that after such a disaster so many people are still so gung ho for "business as usual".



You mean like people actually working and contributing to the economic well being to this country?



 
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 6:10:31 AM EDT
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
Its amazing to me that after such a disaster so many people are still so gung ho for "business as usual".

You mean like people actually working and contributing to the economic well being to this country?
 


Yeah...the Gulf spill is going to be such a boon to our economy!  We should encourage more ecological disasters!
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 6:11:44 AM EDT



Originally Posted By Squatch:



Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:




Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Its amazing to me that after such a disaster so many people are still so gung ho for "business as usual".



You mean like people actually working and contributing to the economic well being to this country?

 




Yeah...the Gulf spill is going to be such a boon to our economy!  We should encourage more ecological disasters!

Who's encouraging more ecological disasters?  How many rigs have been in gulf for the last 20 years without an accident?



This anti-drilling hysteria is beyond full retard.






You all are being played as useful idiots of the Marxists.





 
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 6:17:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:

Originally Posted By Squatch:
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
Its amazing to me that after such a disaster so many people are still so gung ho for "business as usual".

You mean like people actually working and contributing to the economic well being to this country?
 


Yeah...the Gulf spill is going to be such a boon to our economy!  We should encourage more ecological disasters!
Who's encouraging more ecological disasters?  How many rigs have been in gulf for the last 20 years without an accident?

This anti-drilling hysteria is beyond full retard.


You all are being played as useful idiots of the Marxists.

 


I'm not anti-drilling.  If you would read my reply, I said that a suspension of drilling to review applications, safety measures, and emergency procedures would be prudent in order to prevent similar spills from happening in the future.

I am all for extraction of petroleum, but I am wholly opposed to it when regulation and safety measures are not only curtailed, but ignored in light of probable accidents occurring.
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 6:18:18 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Squatch:
Not to upset the damn-the-torpedoes-full-speed ahead-crowd, but hasn't the event that precipitated the moratorium on offshore drilling already cost thousands of jobs and businesses to go tits up?

It seems to me that to prevent a repeat of the last month, a short suspension of drilling to review applications, safety measures, and emergency plans, would seem to be not only in order, but prudent.



There are close to 4000 rigs in the GOM.  How long do you think it will take a government task force to inspect all 4000 before resuming operations? I'm not sure but I would say months. What was the spike in the price of gas the last time a hurricane came through the gulf that shut down nearly all of the platform for only a week?  They should inspect every single rig to verify compliance to whatever established regulations are in place but do it concurrently to oil operations. Yes thousands of jobs are already lost due to the spill why loose more?  Why impact the entire country with higher gas prices?

This spill will directly impact one of my most cherished past times.  I fish in one of the most pristine areas of the US - Everglades National Park.  When hurricane Wilma came through the park the wildlife took months to recover from a natural disaster.  I can't imagine what this spill will do once it makes it around to the southern tip of Florida.  None of this changes the fact that the economy needs jobs and my way of life is even more affected by how well our country is doing as a whole than one of my hobbies.  This just means I'll get more range time so I don't miss the 12 point on my Dads property.
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 6:21:37 AM EDT



Originally Posted By Squatch:



Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:




Originally Posted By Squatch:


Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:




Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Its amazing to me that after such a disaster so many people are still so gung ho for "business as usual".



You mean like people actually working and contributing to the economic well being to this country?

 




Yeah...the Gulf spill is going to be such a boon to our economy!  We should encourage more ecological disasters!

Who's encouraging more ecological disasters?  How many rigs have been in gulf for the last 20 years without an accident?



This anti-drilling hysteria is beyond full retard.






You all are being played as useful idiots of the Marxists.



 




I'm not anti-drilling.  If you would read my reply, I said that a suspension of drilling to review applications, safety measures, and emergency procedures would be prudent in order to prevent similar spills from happening in the future.



I am all for extraction of petroleum, but I am wholly opposed to it when regulation and safety measures are not only curtailed, but ignored in light of probable accidents occurring.



What is the point of reviewing applications?  Don't you think they have already been gone through with a fine tooth comb?  Don't you think they already have safety measures?  The governenment in '94 established a series of protocols for just this type of disaster but never followed it.



This disaster is being used to justify a radical environmental agenda, to shut down this country's economic machine and to limit freedom as we know it.



Don't fall into this trap.



We've been drilling for decades now, without incident. You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.



 
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 6:23:19 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TailHunter:
Originally Posted By Squatch:
Not to upset the damn-the-torpedoes-full-speed ahead-crowd, but hasn't the event that precipitated the moratorium on offshore drilling already cost thousands of jobs and businesses to go tits up?

It seems to me that to prevent a repeat of the last month, a short suspension of drilling to review applications, safety measures, and emergency plans, would seem to be not only in order, but prudent.



There are close to 4000 rigs in the GOM.  How long do you think it will take a government task force to inspect all 4000 before resuming operations? I'm not sure but I would say months. What was the spike in the price of gas the last time a hurricane came through the gulf that shut down nearly all of the platform for only a week?  They should inspect every single rig to verify compliance to whatever established regulations are in place but do it concurrently to oil operations. Yes thousands of jobs are already lost due to the spill why loose more?  Why impact the entire country with higher gas prices?


This spill has already lost up to 100,000 Bbl of oil per day, yet oil prices have DECREASED over the past 2 months.  Yet, some Arab farts, and gas prices shoot up to over $4.00 a gal.

It seems to me that gas prices are less a function of the amount of crude actually being pumped out of the Gulf, and more a function on how we're getting "pumped" by oil sheiks in the Middle East.

Link Posted: 6/4/2010 6:25:25 AM EDT



Originally Posted By Squatch:



Originally Posted By TailHunter:


Originally Posted By Squatch:

Not to upset the damn-the-torpedoes-full-speed ahead-crowd, but hasn't the event that precipitated the moratorium on offshore drilling already cost thousands of jobs and businesses to go tits up?



It seems to me that to prevent a repeat of the last month, a short suspension of drilling to review applications, safety measures, and emergency plans, would seem to be not only in order, but prudent.







There are close to 4000 rigs in the GOM.  How long do you think it will take a government task force to inspect all 4000 before resuming operations? I'm not sure but I would say months. What was the spike in the price of gas the last time a hurricane came through the gulf that shut down nearly all of the platform for only a week?  They should inspect every single rig to verify compliance to whatever established regulations are in place but do it concurrently to oil operations. Yes thousands of jobs are already lost due to the spill why loose more?  Why impact the entire country with higher gas prices?





This spill has already lost up to 100,000 Bbl of oil per day, yet oil prices have DECREASED over the past 2 months.  Yet, some Arab farts, and gas prices shoot up to over $4.00 a gal.



It seems to me that gas prices are less a function of the amount of crude actually being pumped out of the Gulf, and more a function on how we're getting "pumped" by oil sheiks in the Middle East.



That's because this is only one well out of thousands.  By doing this we allow the OPEC nations to further grab us by the balls and further hurting our trade imbalance.



We need those jobs as much as we need the oil.  Those jobs will also affect others indirectly (like rail traffic, metal prices, etc).





 
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 6:28:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:

Originally Posted By Squatch:
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:

Originally Posted By Squatch:
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
Its amazing to me that after such a disaster so many people are still so gung ho for "business as usual".

You mean like people actually working and contributing to the economic well being to this country?
 


Yeah...the Gulf spill is going to be such a boon to our economy!  We should encourage more ecological disasters!
Who's encouraging more ecological disasters?  How many rigs have been in gulf for the last 20 years without an accident?

This anti-drilling hysteria is beyond full retard.


You all are being played as useful idiots of the Marxists.

 


I'm not anti-drilling.  If you would read my reply, I said that a suspension of drilling to review applications, safety measures, and emergency procedures would be prudent in order to prevent similar spills from happening in the future.

I am all for extraction of petroleum, but I am wholly opposed to it when regulation and safety measures are not only curtailed, but ignored in light of probable accidents occurring.

What is the point of reviewing applications?  Don't you think they have already been gone through with a fine tooth comb?  Don't you think they already have safety measures?  The governenment in '94 established a series of protocols for just this type of disaster but never followed it.

This disaster is being used to justify a radical environmental agenda, to shut down this country's economic machine and to limit freedom as we know it.

Don't fall into this trap.

We've been drilling for decades now, without incident. You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
 


The current spill occurred, in part, due to shortcuts being taken on BP's application to the MMS.  It would be wise to see if additional shortcuts have been taken elsewhere that may indicate a higher probability of a similiar accident occurring elsewhere.

Link Posted: 6/4/2010 7:00:24 AM EDT



Originally Posted By Squatch:



Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:




Originally Posted By Squatch:


Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:




Originally Posted By Squatch:


Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:




Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Its amazing to me that after such a disaster so many people are still so gung ho for "business as usual".



You mean like people actually working and contributing to the economic well being to this country?

 




Yeah...the Gulf spill is going to be such a boon to our economy!  We should encourage more ecological disasters!

Who's encouraging more ecological disasters?  How many rigs have been in gulf for the last 20 years without an accident?



This anti-drilling hysteria is beyond full retard.






You all are being played as useful idiots of the Marxists.



 




I'm not anti-drilling.  If you would read my reply, I said that a suspension of drilling to review applications, safety measures, and emergency procedures would be prudent in order to prevent similar spills from happening in the future.



I am all for extraction of petroleum, but I am wholly opposed to it when regulation and safety measures are not only curtailed, but ignored in light of probable accidents occurring.



What is the point of reviewing applications?  Don't you think they have already been gone through with a fine tooth comb?  Don't you think they already have safety measures?  The governenment in '94 established a series of protocols for just this type of disaster but never followed it.



This disaster is being used to justify a radical environmental agenda, to shut down this country's economic machine and to limit freedom as we know it.



Don't fall into this trap.



We've been drilling for decades now, without incident. You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

 




The current spill occurred, in part, due to shortcuts being taken on BP's application to the MMS.  It would be wise to see if additional shortcuts have been taken elsewhere that may indicate a higher probability of a similiar accident occurring elsewhere.



I don't see how that would have prevented the explosion  This is nothing but a tactic to shutdown the offshore oil industry.





 
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 7:07:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/4/2010 7:10:18 AM EDT by CouncilOfDave]







Originally Posted By Squatch:
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
Originally Posted By Squatch:






Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
Originally Posted By Squatch:






Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
Originally Posted By Specop_007:



Its amazing to me that after such a disaster so many people are still so gung ho for "business as usual".







You mean like people actually working and contributing to the economic well being to this country?



 

Yeah...the Gulf spill is going to be such a boon to our economy!  We should encourage more ecological disasters!



Who's encouraging more ecological disasters?  How many rigs have been in gulf for the last 20 years without an accident?
This anti-drilling hysteria is beyond full retard.







You all are being played as useful idiots of the Marxists.
 

I'm not anti-drilling.  If you would read my reply, I said that a suspension of drilling to review applications, safety measures, and emergency procedures would be prudent in order to prevent similar spills from happening in the future.
I am all for extraction of petroleum, but I am wholly opposed to it when regulation and safety measures are not only curtailed, but ignored in light of probable accidents occurring.







What is the point of reviewing applications?  Don't you think they have already been gone through with a fine tooth comb?  Don't you think they already have safety measures?  The governenment in '94 established a series of protocols for just this type of disaster but never followed it.
This disaster is being used to justify a radical environmental agenda, to shut down this country's economic machine and to limit freedom as we know it.
Don't fall into this trap.
We've been drilling for decades now, without incident. You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.



 

The current spill occurred, in part, due to shortcuts being taken on BP's application to the MMS.  It would be wise to see if additional shortcuts have been taken elsewhere that may indicate a higher probability of a similiar accident occurring elsewhere.




So you want the same Government to look over and approve to ensure that no shortcuts were taken, after the problematic rig that we are discussing was given a pass on the same type of shortcuts by the same government prior to this incident?

 









Makes perfect sense.


























 
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 7:52:40 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Squatch:
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:

Originally Posted By Squatch:
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:

Originally Posted By Squatch:
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
Its amazing to me that after such a disaster so many people are still so gung ho for "business as usual".

You mean like people actually working and contributing to the economic well being to this country?
 


Yeah...the Gulf spill is going to be such a boon to our economy!  We should encourage more ecological disasters!
Who's encouraging more ecological disasters?  How many rigs have been in gulf for the last 20 years without an accident?

This anti-drilling hysteria is beyond full retard.


You all are being played as useful idiots of the Marxists.

 


I'm not anti-drilling.  If you would read my reply, I said that a suspension of drilling to review applications, safety measures, and emergency procedures would be prudent in order to prevent similar spills from happening in the future.

I am all for extraction of petroleum, but I am wholly opposed to it when regulation and safety measures are not only curtailed, but ignored in light of probable accidents occurring.

What is the point of reviewing applications?  Don't you think they have already been gone through with a fine tooth comb?  Don't you think they already have safety measures?  The governenment in '94 established a series of protocols for just this type of disaster but never followed it.

This disaster is being used to justify a radical environmental agenda, to shut down this country's economic machine and to limit freedom as we know it.

Don't fall into this trap.

We've been drilling for decades now, without incident. You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
 


The current spill occurred, in part, due to shortcuts being taken on BP's application to the MMS.  It would be wise to see if additional shortcuts have been taken elsewhere that may indicate a higher probability of a similiar accident occurring elsewhere.



This could be the biggest bunch of horse shit I've read on here this year.  Nothing occurred because of someone's application to a god damn government agency.  The blow out occurred because someone or something failed.  It happens.
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 7:57:12 AM EDT
halting off shore drilling with out replacing it with conus drilling, will cost a LOT more than than that.

the 150K might be folks involved directly with off shore drilling.

But the fact is, we are there because that is the cheapest, allowable drilling.  

So, how many jobs will be lost due to the hit our economy is gonna take from $6.00 gas.

It will kill life as you know it here in this country.

It's just one more thing on the road to collapse.

WE are fucked.

TXL
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 8:13:48 AM EDT




Originally Posted By Squatch:



Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:





Originally Posted By Squatch:



Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:





Originally Posted By Squatch:



Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:





Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Its amazing to me that after such a disaster so many people are still so gung ho for "business as usual".



You mean like people actually working and contributing to the economic well being to this country?





Yeah...the Gulf spill is going to be such a boon to our economy! We should encourage more ecological disasters!

Who's encouraging more ecological disasters? How many rigs have been in gulf for the last 20 years without an accident?



This anti-drilling hysteria is beyond full retard.






You all are being played as useful idiots of the Marxists.







I'm not anti-drilling. If you would read my reply, I said that a suspension of drilling to review applications, safety measures, and emergency procedures would be prudent in order to prevent similar spills from happening in the future.



I am all for extraction of petroleum, but I am wholly opposed to it when regulation and safety measures are not only curtailed, but ignored in light of probable accidents occurring.



What is the point of reviewing applications? Don't you think they have already been gone through with a fine tooth comb? Don't you think they already have safety measures? The governenment in '94 established a series of protocols for just this type of disaster but never followed it.



This disaster is being used to justify a radical environmental agenda, to shut down this country's economic machine and to limit freedom as we know it.



Don't fall into this trap.



We've been drilling for decades now, without incident. You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.





The current spill occurred, in part, due to shortcuts being taken on BP's application to the MMS. It would be wise to see if additional shortcuts have been taken elsewhere that may indicate a higher probability of a similiar accident occurring elsewhere.







Nice liberal drivel talking points, but the facts don't support anything you're saying. It is in the oil industry's best interest to pump oil, not spill it. They know this better than anyone. To suggest that they take shortcuts and that this led to this accident is pure conjecture and hyperbole aimed at the "evil oil industry". That evil oil industry employs some of the best educated engineers, and overall is the highest paying industry in the U.S.  



150,000 oil industry jobs may EASILY translate into over 1,000,000 peripheral jobs, like the contract maintenance crews, the local mechanics who maintain the ships and engines for the maintenance crews, the catering business, housing industry, home depot workers, barbers/salons, restaurants, and on and on and on.  When you don't have any money coming in, you don't spend any money...that simple.



In addition, this puts a further strain on the already strained unemployment funds. The liberal mentality will never understand the unintended consequences of their actions.
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 8:16:39 AM EDT



Originally Posted By FAL:





Originally Posted By Squatch:


Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:




Originally Posted By Squatch:


Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:




Originally Posted By Squatch:


Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:




Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Its amazing to me that after such a disaster so many people are still so gung ho for "business as usual".



You mean like people actually working and contributing to the economic well being to this country?





Yeah...the Gulf spill is going to be such a boon to our economy! We should encourage more ecological disasters!

Who's encouraging more ecological disasters? How many rigs have been in gulf for the last 20 years without an accident?



This anti-drilling hysteria is beyond full retard.






You all are being played as useful idiots of the Marxists.







I'm not anti-drilling. If you would read my reply, I said that a suspension of drilling to review applications, safety measures, and emergency procedures would be prudent in order to prevent similar spills from happening in the future.



I am all for extraction of petroleum, but I am wholly opposed to it when regulation and safety measures are not only curtailed, but ignored in light of probable accidents occurring.



What is the point of reviewing applications? Don't you think they have already been gone through with a fine tooth comb? Don't you think they already have safety measures? The governenment in '94 established a series of protocols for just this type of disaster but never followed it.



This disaster is being used to justify a radical environmental agenda, to shut down this country's economic machine and to limit freedom as we know it.



Don't fall into this trap.



We've been drilling for decades now, without incident. You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.





The current spill occurred, in part, due to shortcuts being taken on BP's application to the MMS. It would be wise to see if additional shortcuts have been taken elsewhere that may indicate a higher probability of a similiar accident occurring elsewhere.







Nice liberal drivel talking points, but the facts don't support anything you're saying. It is in the oil industry's best interest to pump oil, not spill it. They know this better than anyone. To suggest that they take shortcuts and that this led to this accident is pure conjecture and hyperbole aimed at the "evil oil industry". That evil oil industry employs some of the best educated engineers, and overall is the highest paying industry in the U.S.  



150,000 oil industry jobs may EASILY translate into over 1,000,000 peripheral jobs, like the contract maintenance crews, the local mechanics who maintain the ships and engines for the maintenance crews, the catering business, housing industry, home depot workers, barbers/salons, restaurants, and on and on and on.  When you don't have any money coming in, you don't spend any money...that simple.



In addition, this puts a further strain on the already strained unemployment funds. The liberal mentality will never understand the unintended consequences of their actions.


But at least the beach will remain pretty!



 
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 8:17:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Squatch:
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
Its amazing to me that after such a disaster so many people are still so gung ho for "business as usual".

You mean like people actually working and contributing to the economic well being to this country?
 


Yeah...the Gulf spill is going to be such a boon to our economy!  We should encourage more ecological disasters!


derp
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 8:35:19 AM EDT
Great.

My brother drives a ROV for Transocean. Id ask him what he thinks but he is a little busy right now.

Link Posted: 6/4/2010 8:37:44 AM EDT
guess what? they don't care...
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 9:31:20 AM EDT
The most prudent thing for the MMS to do would have been to put an employee on board each and every drilling vessel immediately. This would give immediate accountability for each rig and its procedures and testing program. If after a trial inspection period it is deemed prudent to shut down that rig, then so be it. It will take over a year for rigs to retrofit the BOP systems they are talking about implementing. Welcome to Socialism!

BTW, I am one of the ones who lost his offshore job last week.
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 9:36:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/4/2010 9:37:35 AM EDT by Cypselus]
Originally Posted By Casebrius:
The most prudent thing for the MMS to do would have been to put an employee on board each and every drilling vessel immediately. This would give immediate accountability for each rig and its procedures and testing program. If after a trial inspection period it is deemed prudent to shut down that rig, then so be it. It will take over a year for rigs to retrofit the BOP systems they are talking about implementing. Welcome to Socialism!

Regulation of dangerous industries does not equal socialism.  But if it does, then I expect the sanest 90% of the populace would be happy to call themselves socialist.
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 9:44:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/4/2010 9:44:35 AM EDT by Cypher15]





Originally Posted By 338winmag:





Originally Posted By Squatch:




Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
Originally Posted By Squatch:




Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
Originally Posted By Squatch:




Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
Originally Posted By Specop_007:


Its amazing to me that after such a disaster so many people are still so gung ho for "business as usual".





You mean like people actually working and contributing to the economic well being to this country?


 






Yeah...the Gulf spill is going to be such a boon to our economy!  We should encourage more ecological disasters!


Who's encouraging more ecological disasters?  How many rigs have been in gulf for the last 20 years without an accident?





This anti-drilling hysteria is beyond full retard.










You all are being played as useful idiots of the Marxists.





 






I'm not anti-drilling.  If you would read my reply, I said that a suspension of drilling to review applications, safety measures, and emergency procedures would be prudent in order to prevent similar spills from happening in the future.





I am all for extraction of petroleum, but I am wholly opposed to it when regulation and safety measures are not only curtailed, but ignored in light of probable accidents occurring.





What is the point of reviewing applications?  Don't you think they have already been gone through with a fine tooth comb?  Don't you think they already have safety measures?  The governenment in '94 established a series of protocols for just this type of disaster but never followed it.





This disaster is being used to justify a radical environmental agenda, to shut down this country's economic machine and to limit freedom as we know it.





Don't fall into this trap.





We've been drilling for decades now, without incident. You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.


 






The current spill occurred, in part, due to shortcuts being taken on BP's application to the MMS.  It would be wise to see if additional shortcuts have been taken elsewhere that may indicate a higher probability of a similiar accident occurring elsewhere.











This could be the biggest bunch of horse shit I've read on here this year.  Nothing occurred because of someone's application to a god damn government agency.  The blow out occurred because someone or something failed.  It happens.
no kidding..  i didnt kno applications could cause a methane explosion


 
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 9:46:21 AM EDT
Like I've said in previous threads.  People will not be happy until the government shuts down the oil industry while dictating how much carbon we can use on a yearly basis.



It's transparent as hell.  
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 9:48:51 AM EDT
Zero will just pay all the laid off oil workers to clean oil off birds and spin it as the worlds largest jobs save.  He'll be a hero to the main stream media.

Link Posted: 6/4/2010 9:52:11 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Cypselus:
Originally Posted By Casebrius:
The most prudent thing for the MMS to do would have been to put an employee on board each and every drilling vessel immediately. This would give immediate accountability for each rig and its procedures and testing program. If after a trial inspection period it is deemed prudent to shut down that rig, then so be it. It will take over a year for rigs to retrofit the BOP systems they are talking about implementing. Welcome to Socialism!

Regulation of dangerous industries does not equal socialism.  But if it does, then I expect the sanest 90% of the populace would be happy to call themselves socialist.


I'm all for regulation, it could and probably has saved my life several times in the 15 years I've worked offshore. If you can't see this government has a deeper agenda, then take off your rose colored glasses.
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 9:53:38 AM EDT
Don't worry, I'm sure they'll add 300,000 government jobs to make up for it.
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 9:54:16 AM EDT



Originally Posted By HarryStone:


Don't worry, I'm sure they'll add 300,000 government jobs to make up for it.


Who do you think will be doing the regulating?



 
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 9:58:46 AM EDT
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
But at least the beach will be clean for all of those who wish to recreate.



Except this won't help clean the beach. It might slightly reduce the probability of a similar event in the near future.

The key thing I'm thinking is this: what is know about the cause of the failure?

If there is something we can learn from this to prevent such events occuring, it might make sense to delay until we can impliment that. Given that this is a rare event, however, the costs have to be weighed against the probability of another such event.

If the situation is such that it doesn't change how we would drill, there is no point to preventing new drilling. Except politics, of course.
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 10:02:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Squatch:

The current spill occurred, in part, due to shortcuts being taken on BP's application to the MMS.  It would be wise to see if additional shortcuts have been taken elsewhere that may indicate a higher probability of a similiar accident occurring elsewhere.



Is that the actual engineering cause of the disaster? Shortcuts on govenrment paperwork?

Who knew that government paperwork was so important?
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 10:04:20 AM EDT
Makes sense given the lefts agenda. 150,000 out of work is 150,000 dependent on big goverment to care for them.
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 10:07:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Cypselus:
Originally Posted By Casebrius:
The most prudent thing for the MMS to do would have been to put an employee on board each and every drilling vessel immediately. This would give immediate accountability for each rig and its procedures and testing program. If after a trial inspection period it is deemed prudent to shut down that rig, then so be it. It will take over a year for rigs to retrofit the BOP systems they are talking about implementing. Welcome to Socialism!

Regulation of dangerous industries does not equal socialism.  But if it does, then I expect the sanest 90% of the populace would be happy to call themselves socialist.


In general, regulation of industry is a violation of the constitution. For drillling on federal land (or federally controlled water) federal regulation would be constitutional. However, such regulation failed in this case.

Frankly, PBs interest in not losing the oil suggest that they have a vested interest in preventing such incidents. As far as the government's interest, I'm not so sure. This disaster is bad for Obama because it shows his incompetence, but it is good for the left in that it justifies further government crackdown on oil.

Link Posted: 6/4/2010 10:27:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DonS:
Frankly, PBs interest in not losing the oil suggest that they have a vested interest in preventing such incidents. As far as the government's interest, I'm not so sure. This disaster is bad for Obama because it shows his incompetence, but it is good for the left in that it justifies further government crackdown on oil.

I assume PB = BP?  

BP, Transocean, and Halliburton had an interest in not losing the oil, and yet they lost the oil, and the rig, and the men on it.  No sane person has said they spilled intentionally, or that it was in their interest to do so.  It was in their interest to cut corners, and they apparently did.  It's not the first time this has happened, just the first time that all the failsafes failed.  I'm not sure what your point is.
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 10:31:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Cypselus:
Originally Posted By DonS:
Frankly, PBs interest in not losing the oil suggest that they have a vested interest in preventing such incidents. As far as the government's interest, I'm not so sure. This disaster is bad for Obama because it shows his incompetence, but it is good for the left in that it justifies further government crackdown on oil.

I assume PB = BP?  

BP, Transocean, and Halliburton had an interest in not losing the oil, and yet they lost the oil, and the rig, and the men on it.  No sane person has said they spilled intentionally, or that it was in their interest to do so.  It was in their interest to cut corners, and they apparently did.  It's not the first time this has happened, just the first time that all the failsafes failed.  I'm not sure what your point is.


Explain to me how Halliburton cut corners?
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 10:56:47 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Casebrius:
The most prudent thing for the MMS to do would have been to put an employee on board each and every drilling vessel immediately. This would give immediate accountability for each rig and its procedures and testing program. If after a trial inspection period it is deemed prudent to shut down that rig, then so be it. It will take over a year for rigs to retrofit the BOP systems they are talking about implementing. Welcome to Socialism!

BTW, I am one of the ones who lost his offshore job last week.


I don't think MMS has enough people to do that and even if they did it still wouldn't be good because they're already inking rigs for stupid shit. I know of one rig that got shut down by MMS for something that wasn't even a violation of any of the rules. It got straightened out eventually but it still cost the operator money.
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 10:59:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/4/2010 11:00:14 AM EDT by Cypselus]
Originally Posted By Casebrius:
Originally Posted By Cypselus:
Originally Posted By DonS:
Frankly, PBs interest in not losing the oil suggest that they have a vested interest in preventing such incidents. As far as the government's interest, I'm not so sure. This disaster is bad for Obama because it shows his incompetence, but it is good for the left in that it justifies further government crackdown on oil.

I assume PB = BP?  

BP, Transocean, and Halliburton had an interest in not losing the oil, and yet they lost the oil, and the rig, and the men on it.  No sane person has said they spilled intentionally, or that it was in their interest to do so.  It was in their interest to cut corners, and they apparently did.  It's not the first time this has happened, just the first time that all the failsafes failed.  I'm not sure what your point is.


Explain to me how Halliburton cut corners?

Agents of at least one of the firms represented on the rig cut corners, with those three being the principal ones, which is why I named them all together.  Whether it was Halliburton, or BP, or Transocean, or whoever, we won't know until an investigation is complete.  But someone did screw up.  

edited for spelling
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 11:25:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/4/2010 11:27:28 AM EDT by Casebrius]
I agree, there was definitely some gross negligence that occurred in a couple key decisions. Halliburton however was not involved in those decisions. BP would not follow Halliburton's cementing recommendations and BP AND Transocean blatantly ignored signs the well was having issues before displacing the riser. This should never have happened and wouldn't have if Transocean's BOP was working properly, although there is some speculation that a tool joint was at the shear rams and that's why they wouldn't close. When they went to close the shear RAMS from the rig floor they were disabled for some reason. An SST had to run and try to function them remotely from the control room.  They KNEW it wasn't working right and the annular was damaged. They should have pulled the stack weeks earlier to fix it. A simple complete circulation of the mud before and after cementing would have shown that there was communication with the formation. All that being said, BP and Transocean are probably the highest tech and safest operating companies in the gulf. Human error and hasty decisions were to blame here. I would have to think if MMS had an official on board these hasty decisions would not have been made. I see that as the future of drilling (MMS on-board at all times).
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 11:49:50 AM EDT
Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:

Originally Posted By HarryStone:
Don't worry, I'm sure they'll add 300,000 government jobs to make up for it.

Who do you think will be doing the regulating?
 


Probably former ACORN employees with no oil industry experience, paid $400,000 a year each courtesy of the American taxpayer.  All oil spills afterwards will be deemed yet another example of racism and ultimately George Bush's fault.  
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 11:57:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Cypselus:
I assume PB = BP?  

BP, Transocean, and Halliburton had an interest in not losing the oil, and yet they lost the oil, and the rig, and the men on it.  No sane person has said they spilled intentionally, or that it was in their interest to do so.  It was in their interest to cut corners, and they apparently did.  It's not the first time this has happened, just the first time that all the failsafes failed.  I'm not sure what your point is.



Yes, BP.

NASA had no interest in losing a space shuttle, either.

In the case of BP or Transocean, whatever government checks were in place also didn't work. I frankly have more faith in BP's buisness interest to not lose the oil then I do in the government's oversight. In my personal experience with government oversight, the oversight is either lax (most often) and adds little or no value, or else it is some environmental wack job who just wants to shut things down.

Furhtermore, it is government regulations that are pushing them out into deep ocean. That aspect needs review as well, but it won't be.
Link Posted: 6/4/2010 2:48:39 PM EDT
Some of you still don't understand how the drilling industry works.

Everything done on the rig is under the direction of the Company Representative (BP in this case).

The driller is told just exactly how he will drill, rate of penetration, how he will do every step of the operation.

They tell the mud engineers what the mud weight shall be, the other mud specs, and the mud engineers do chemical analysis, figure out how to treat to mud to meet those specs.  Then the rig crew are told what chemicals to add, etc.  The company rep (BP) get detailed mud reports several times daily showing just what the mud is doing, materials used, etc.

The cementer is given a plan from the Company Representative of how the casings are to be cemented.  It spells out how many sacks of cement to be used, mixed with what chemicals, and to a specified density.  Lab tests are done to ensure those specs are met.  When cementing and testing is done, the company rep (BP) is standing on the cement unit watching everything, directing the operation.

And this goes on for most every operation concerning the well.  Some things, like what is being served for dinner, are not.  But if the company rep says he wants a 12 oz sirloin for dinner, I would bet that's what he'd get.  

And this goes on for just about everything but mundane maintenance work.  He's not going to get involved with things not having to do with the well.  But he does control all materials and equipment, personell going to and from the rig.  It is his operation.

No one can or will "cut corners" on their own.  There is no incentive to do anything but what BP (or other oil company) tell you to do.  You do it their way, or the highway.  Your work will be exactly as directed.
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