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Posted: 6/26/2015 6:19:32 PM EDT
It was doing it a bunch this morning, I reseated the RAM, did a repair disk via disk utility, repaired permissions.



It made it though the rest of the day and started up again just now.





It has an SSD I installed a few years ago, could it be failing?




I really don't want to buy another computer right now, but will get another mini if I have to.
Link Posted: 6/26/2015 6:28:30 PM EDT
Any Apple Geniuses here? Anything I need to check?
Link Posted: 6/26/2015 6:33:33 PM EDT
i'm a mac mini user also, but have never had this problem.  so...tag i guess.
Link Posted: 6/26/2015 6:34:07 PM EDT
Any kernal errors?
Link Posted: 6/26/2015 6:34:35 PM EDT
Not an expert, but loose power cord maybe?  Sometimes the stupidest solution is the best one.
Link Posted: 6/26/2015 6:39:49 PM EDT
classic sign of dust mites overheating the unit. These mites, so tiny in size,microscopic in fact have the ability to act as thermo conductors due to the nature of their cell structure.
Link Posted: 6/26/2015 6:40:57 PM EDT
But, but, I thought macs never crashed.

ETA: My first guess would be overheating. Vents clear? Might need a good blowjob if it's an older box.
Link Posted: 6/26/2015 6:49:01 PM EDT
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IIRC, Mac Minis have no external slots, grilles or anything for cooling. I guess they rely on simply being apple products to be and remain cool.
Link Posted: 6/26/2015 8:07:19 PM EDT
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But, but, I thought macs never crashed.

ETA: My first guess would be overheating. Vents clear? Might need a good blowjob if it's an older box.


IIRC, Mac Minis have no external slots, grilles or anything for cooling. I guess they rely on simply being apple products to be and remain cool.


this is incorrect.  the aluminum case is the heat sink, but there's both a fan and venting.
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 10:37:49 AM EDT
I did this, we will see if it fixes the issue.

Could be the issue as I had a power failure a few days ago, perhaps that database got corrupted.

http://www.midnightryder.com/how-to-fix-a-randomly-rebooting-mac-os-x-10-8-mountain-lion/
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 10:48:13 AM EDT
I also had a cheap lightning charge cable plugged into the usb port to charge my iPhone, it was a cheap eBay one, unplugged that incase it was triggering a reboot somehow, it never charged my phone unless it was 'just right' position wise, maybe a short in the cable or something.
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 10:49:21 AM EDT
It could be the SSD you installed. Check all off the hardware connections.
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 10:51:37 AM EDT
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I also had a cheap lightning charge cable plugged into the usb port to charge my iPhone, it was a cheap eBay one, unplugged that incase it was triggering a reboot somehow, it never charged my phone unless it was 'just right' position wise, maybe a short in the cable or something.
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That is my bet.     I would throw that cable away.
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 11:03:20 AM EDT
Mine was doing this with the HDD.  It was still doing it after I installed a SSD.  It mainly rebooted coming out of deep sleep.

I tried everything to fix it.

What finally fixed it for me was to unplug the mac mini and then I held the power button down for 30 seconds.  Plugged it back in and rebooted.

So far this fixed the problem for me.

I am still at 10.8 with the Mac Mini
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 11:19:17 AM EDT
So far, so good, no reboots yet, it was getting so bad I was 5 minutes away from driving to the Apple store and getting a new one. lol
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 11:20:57 AM EDT
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So far, so good, no reboots yet, it was getting so bad I was 5 minutes away from driving to the Apple store and getting a new one. lol
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Fuck me, it just rebooted, I knew I would jinx myself posting that.
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 11:26:03 AM EDT
Have you tried Onyx yet?
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 11:28:43 AM EDT
Problem: Apple.

Solution: Windows/Linux.

/thread.
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 11:30:44 AM EDT
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Downloading now
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 11:31:32 AM EDT
Maybe open it up and vacuum out the heatsink fins.  If it's all choked up, it'll overheat and reset.
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 11:33:14 AM EDT
Any error message prior to reboot, or just *boom* reboot?
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 11:40:56 AM EDT
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How do I copy & paste from the console app? I see some errors right before it went down
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 11:43:21 AM EDT
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How do I copy & paste from the console app? I see some errors right before it went down
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Any error message prior to reboot, or just *boom* reboot?


How do I copy & paste from the console app? I see some errors right before it went down


Drag & drop works.

Seems like this is the error every time it reboots

6/28/15 11:38:51.305 AM nsurlstoraged[377]: ERROR: shrinkDB - shrink of file system cache did not fully complete.  Result: 11
6/28/15 11:38:53.508 AM nsurlstoraged[377]: ERROR: shrinkDB - shrink of file system cache did not fully complete.  Result: 11
6/28/15 11:39:07.876 AM com.apple.xpc.launchd[1]: (com.apple.imfoundation.IMRemoteURLConnectionAgent) The _DirtyJetsamMemoryLimit key is not available on this platform.
6/28/15 11:39:20.532 AM nsurlstoraged[377]: ERROR: shrinkDB - shrink of file system cache did not fully complete.  Result: 11

6/28/15 11:39:22.675 AM WindowServer[256]: WSGetSurfaceInWindow : Invalid surface 729281284 for window 161
6/28/15 11:39:22.675 AM WindowServer[256]: WSGetSurfaceInWindow : Invalid surface 729281284 for window 161
6/28/15 11:39:22.675 AM WindowServer[256]: WSGetSurfaceInWindow : Invalid surface 729281284 for window 161
6/28/15 11:39:22.676 AM WindowServer[256]: WSGetSurfaceInWindow : Invalid surface 729281284 for window 161
6/28/15 11:39:22.676 AM WindowServer[256]: WSGetSurfaceInWindow : Invalid surface 729281284 for window 161
6/28/15 11:39:22.676 AM WindowServer[256]: WSGetSurfaceInWindow : Invalid surface 729281284 for window 161
6/28/15 11:39:22.676 AM WindowServer[256]: WSGetSurfaceInWindow : Invalid surface 729281284 for window 161



Link Posted: 6/28/2015 11:45:32 AM EDT
Same way you cut and paste from anywhere else, command-c, command-v.

It just cuts out and reboots?  That doesn't sound like a software issue.
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 11:46:22 AM EDT
I am suspecting the SSD
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 11:53:25 AM EDT
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Or RAM.  You tried Apple Diagnostics/Apple Hardware Test?
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 11:56:29 AM EDT
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Have you checked the hardware connections yet?
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 12:01:40 PM EDT
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Or RAM.  You tried Apple Diagnostics/Apple Hardware Test?
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Or RAM.  You tried Apple Diagnostics/Apple Hardware Test?


I just ran it, no trouble found.

I did google that error message, and a thread on the apple support site said to remove avast, which I had installed, just uninstalled it.
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 12:05:39 PM EDT
Just rebooted again, arrggghhhh......
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 12:06:36 PM EDT
Guess I get to treat myself to a new iMac, might as well upgrade if going to get a new one anyways...

This mini is 4 years old, so I am due for an upgrade.

Going to give it another 2 days to figure it out, then get a new one if no luck, I don't have time for this shit, this is my 'log into work from home' machine as well, can't be getting rebooted out of work all the time either.
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 12:12:28 PM EDT
Do you have the original platter disk around still?  I mean sure you can go throw money at this and it WILL make your problem go away, but I'm a cheap bastard and like to extend the benefits of my miserliness if possible‚Ķ
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 12:15:25 PM EDT
There was another avast program I needed to zap, and rebooted, let's see what happens.

I just posted this, so expect the 'jinx' reboot in 3, 2, 1....
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 12:16:27 PM EDT
Have your tried resetting the PRAM ?
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 12:18:08 PM EDT
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Yes I took the ram out and re-installed it.

Opps, thought you meant RAM, didn't know about the PRAM, checking now via google.
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 12:22:30 PM EDT
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Yes I took the ram out and re-installed it.

Opps, thought you meant RAM, didn't know about the PRAM, checking now via google.
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Yes I took the ram out and re-installed it.

Opps, thought you meant RAM, didn't know about the PRAM, checking now via google.


It's not RAM, it's PRAM.  

Check these out and do them, they are harmless if they don't resolve the issue:

SMC and PRAM resets

Link Posted: 6/28/2015 12:25:37 PM EDT
reset the pram, lol

Who the fuck knows about PRAM unless dealing with issues.

This is my first Mac issue in over 10 years of owning them.
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 12:38:50 PM EDT
Reset SMC as well

Things are erie quite now, the fan is not spinning up like it used to, my mini is as quiet as it was when brand new.

Let's see (fingers crossed)
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 12:40:41 PM EDT
Bad memory or it's overheating.
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 12:40:53 PM EDT
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Things are erie quite now, the fan is not spinning up like it used to, my mini is as quiet as it was when brand new.

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That's definitely a sign that you had some funk in the trunk that got cleaned out.  Hopefully it's related to the main issue.
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 12:52:16 PM EDT
So far, so good.

Just trying to force a jinx reboot

Definitely and noticeably quite now, the fan is just a slight whisper right now, as it should be.
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 1:00:11 PM EDT
Jinx....Jinx....
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 1:45:23 PM EDT
Rebooted again.


"Dude, your getting an iMac!"

Can't believe those commercials are that old already

Link Posted: 6/28/2015 2:10:31 PM EDT
It's getting worse, but the good thing reboots are fast and everything restores as it was when it rebooted, including the arfcom page I was on.

Something is dying a horrible death inside this machine.
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 2:19:54 PM EDT
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boot off the mac os cd and run diags.

if it still reboots its a hardware issue.  if it doesn't its most likely the ssd
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No CD drive on this Mac, I am resigned to getting a new one.
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 2:27:42 PM EDT
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No CD drive on this Mac, I am resigned to getting a new one.
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boot off the mac os cd and run diags.

if it still reboots its a hardware issue.  if it doesn't its most likely the ssd


No CD drive on this Mac, I am resigned to getting a new one.


Can you swap back to the original drive that came with it?  That'd tell you pretty quick whether it's a "buy a new machine" issue or not.  The two big possibilities left are a failing drive and a software problem on that drive.  Swap back to the old one and you eliminate both of those possibilities.  If the issue quits then it's just a matter of figuring out which of the two it was.
Link Posted: 6/28/2015 2:29:19 PM EDT
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Can you swap back to the original drive that came with it?  That'd tell you pretty quick whether it's a "buy a new machine" issue or not.  The two big possibilities left are a failing drive and a software problem on that drive.  Swap back to the old one and you eliminate both of those possibilities.  If the issue quits then it's just a matter of figuring out which of the two it was.
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boot off the mac os cd and run diags.

if it still reboots its a hardware issue.  if it doesn't its most likely the ssd


No CD drive on this Mac, I am resigned to getting a new one.


Can you swap back to the original drive that came with it?  That'd tell you pretty quick whether it's a "buy a new machine" issue or not.  The two big possibilities left are a failing drive and a software problem on that drive.  Swap back to the old one and you eliminate both of those possibilities.  If the issue quits then it's just a matter of figuring out which of the two it was.


No more time for that stuff.

I loved playing with stuff like that 20 years ago and figuring it out, now, just get that stuff away from me.
Link Posted: 7/1/2015 8:59:37 AM EDT
It's dead Jim, won't even boot now.

Heading to the Apple store this morning and buying an iMac.
Link Posted: 7/1/2015 9:04:07 AM EDT
Bummer, but enjoy the new machine!
Link Posted: 7/1/2015 9:06:05 AM EDT
rebuild the desktop worked great for mac os 9
Link Posted: 7/1/2015 9:15:55 AM EDT
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Heading to the Apple store this morning and buying an iMac.
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Can you boot off an external drive or reinstall your old HDD to see if your new SSD did not take a dump?
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