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Posted: 8/23/2004 8:10:27 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/23/2004 2:16:37 PM EST by oubeta]
Ran into a guy the other night. It is my first wreck. He shot over into my lant and it's pretty hard to stop a 6k 'lb' truck. Hit him going about 45. He was in a big F-150. Insurance gave me a 9k estimate. State Farm is about to drop me after already sinking one and now this!
We didn't have our seatbelts on and I'm amazed it didn't do more damage. The pic I took with my cell phone so it isn't very clear.

Link Posted: 8/23/2004 8:11:25 AM EST
Oh man, that sucks.
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 8:13:08 AM EST
Looks like you need to buy a ford!

Sorry....
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 8:14:44 AM EST
Ouch - that's tragic on a beautiful range rover!



So everyone was okay?
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 8:16:13 AM EST

Originally Posted By Quarterbore:
Looks like you need to buy a ford!

Sorry....



Ford owns Land Rover.
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 8:16:45 AM EST
Shouldn't be any harder to stop a 6000 "pond" truck than any other vehicle.
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 8:17:27 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/23/2004 8:17:59 AM EST by mjohn3006]

Originally Posted By Quarterbore:
Looks like you need to buy a ford!

Sorry....




LMAO. Could not get a pic of the Ford...since it was perfectly fine except for a couple scratches. It drove off before a pic could be taken.

PS..I'm a Chevy guy. I just love American.

PPS. Sorry about the wreck dude. Hope all works out well.
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 8:19:34 AM EST
charmed life.
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 8:20:56 AM EST
Swoop and Squat?
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 8:21:14 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 8:22:07 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 8:23:34 AM EST
hope everyone is ok! and i hope that range rover will be ok too!
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 8:26:34 AM EST
ChaChing...

There goes your AWBan Sunset Fund.
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 10:55:55 AM EST
Got the final quoat from the shop, 12k parts and labor
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 11:09:04 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 11:12:52 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 11:13:11 AM EST
They have Range Rovers in Oklahoma?
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 11:14:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By Quarterbore:
Looks like you need to buy a ford!

Sorry....



Range Rover is a Ford!

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 11:15:18 AM EST
no seatbelts on?
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 11:22:28 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/23/2004 11:22:48 AM EST by Quarterbore]

Originally Posted By BigDozer66:

Range Rover is a Ford!

BigDozer66



One wise ass always outdoes another

FWIW, I have a Ford expedition and I managged to hit a rather large Whitetail deer at about 70MPH at night when the deer jumped the median in front of us and there was no where to go. The Expedition suffered almost 7K in damage in that encounter and my truck looked 80% better then yours does!
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 11:30:15 AM EST

Originally Posted By Quarterbore:

Originally Posted By BigDozer66:

Range Rover is a Ford!

BigDozer66



One wise ass always outdoes another

FWIW, I have a Ford expedition and I managged to hit a rather large Whitetail deer at about 70MPH at night when the deer jumped the median in front of us and there was no where to go. The Expedition suffered almost 7K in damage in that encounter and my truck looked 80% better then yours does!



Wow thats almost exactly what happened to me last year in Central Oregon on my way to a fishing trip. My buddy and I were cruising at 75 mph on a long straight away about 5:30am and a big doe ran out in front of the truck. I had little time, and i feel sorry for the doe she didnt make it. Luckily i was in a Ford F-350 Crew cab with 35's and a 4 inch lift. Damage was a dent in my bumper, no body damage or frame. Cost me about $200 for a new bumper. Gotta love the big rigs it sure saved us. If we would have taken my buddies car (honda accord) we would have been toast.

Glad to hear you are ok but in the future please wear your seatbelt.
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 11:31:20 AM EST

Originally Posted By oubeta:
We didn't have our seatbelts on and I'm amazed it didn't do more damage.



Let's learn something from this, then.
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 11:31:52 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 11:36:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By Sweep:

Originally Posted By oubeta:
Ran into a guy the other night. It is my first wreck. He shot over into my lant and it's pretty hard to stop a 6k pond truck. Hit him going about 45. He was in a big F-150. Insurance gave me a 9k estimate. State Farm is about to drop me after already sinking one and now this!
We didn't have our seatbelts on and I'm amazed it didn't do more damage. The pic I took with my cell phone so it isn't very clear.

im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4d602b3127cceb4aa7da42ee60000001610



Doubt that truck in the picture weighs 6k. I've got a Chevy 2500 4x4 and it's just under 6k.

Oh you said "pond" truck? You must be talking about the one you sank?



Specs
Vehicle Specifications and Dimensions top
MPG (City/Hwy) 12/16
Wheelbase 113.4"
Overall Length 195.0"
Vehicle Height 73.3"
Vehicle Width 75.7"
Payload Capacity 1336
Gross Weight 6724 lbs.
Front Headroom 40.2"
Front Legroom 38.9"
Rear Legroom 35.5"
Seating Capacity 5
Towing Capacity 3493
Final Assembly Location GB
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 11:43:01 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/23/2004 11:43:21 AM EST by AZ-K9]

Originally Posted By SNorman:
Shouldn't be any harder to stop a 6000 "pond" truck than any other vehicle.


Weight does effect stopping distance. Takes more energy to stop more weight, then there is weight shift, then increased traction..... a long story, but weight does effect stopping distance, just not as commonly thought.
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 11:45:20 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/23/2004 11:49:06 AM EST by Fat_McNasty]

Originally Posted By TomJefferson:

Originally Posted By BigDozer66:

Originally Posted By Quarterbore:
Looks like you need to buy a ford!

Sorry....



Range Rover is a Ford!

BigDozer66



Sorry Big but BMW now owns Land Rover with plans to drop the GM 4.6L aluminum block for the BMW DOHC V8.

Tj



Nope ... BMW was the previous owner. Land Rover is now a Division of Ford.

Link to BBC article
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 11:47:28 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/23/2004 11:47:50 AM EST by Quarterbore]

Originally Posted By AZ-K9:

Weight does effect stopping distance. Takes more energy to stop more weight, then there is weight shift, then increased traction..... a long story, but weight does effect stopping distance, just not as commonly thought.



Nerd! just kidding
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 11:48:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By AZ-K9:

Originally Posted By SNorman:
Shouldn't be any harder to stop a 6000 "pond" truck than any other vehicle.


Weight does effect stopping distance. Takes more energy to stop more weight, then there is weight shift, then increased traction..... a long story, but weight does effect stopping distance, just not as commonly thought.

i think he was making fun of the spelling error
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 11:50:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:

Originally Posted By TomJefferson:

Originally Posted By BigDozer66:

Originally Posted By Quarterbore:
Looks like you need to buy a ford!

Sorry....



Range Rover is a Ford!

BigDozer66



Sorry Big but BMW now owns Land Rover with plans to drop the GM 4.6L aluminum block for the BMW DOHC V8.

Tj



Nope ... BMW was the previous owner. Land Rover is now a Division of Ford.

Link to BBC article



You are correct. Land Rover is part of the Premier Auto Group at Ford. Land Rover still buys some engines from BMW.
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 12:02:38 PM EST
I didn't quite understand you...you said...

We didn't have our seatbelts on and I'm amazed it didn't do more damage.

...it didn't do more damage, what? Possibly your heads crashing through the front windshield damaging the vehicle more or more damage to you physically?



Im glad your ok.
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 12:02:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By oubeta:
Ran into a guy the other night. It is my first wreck. He shot over into my lant and it's pretty hard to stop a 6k pond truck. Hit him going about 45. He was in a big F-150. Insurance gave me a 9k estimate. State Farm is about to drop me after already sinking one and now this!
We didn't have our seatbelts on and I'm amazed it didn't do more damage. The pic I took with my cell phone so it isn't very clear.

im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4d602b3127cceb4aa7da42ee60000001610



Why would you be dropped if it wasn't your fault? Besides the sinking.
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 12:10:35 PM EST

Originally Posted By TheRealSundance:

Originally Posted By oubeta:
Ran into a guy the other night. It is my first wreck. He shot over into my lant and it's pretty hard to stop a 6k pond truck. Hit him going about 45. He was in a big F-150. Insurance gave me a 9k estimate. State Farm is about to drop me after already sinking one and now this!
We didn't have our seatbelts on and I'm amazed it didn't do more damage. The pic I took with my cell phone so it isn't very clear.

im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4d602b3127cceb4aa7da42ee60000001610



Why would you be dropped if it wasn't your fault? Besides the sinking.



Looks like he rear-ended the F150 and is his fault. That doesn't look like a 45 mph crash, were you going 45 before braking to 25 and hit him, or were you going 45 when you hit him going 25, etc?
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 12:22:25 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 12:32:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By jeremy223:

Originally Posted By TheRealSundance:

Originally Posted By oubeta:
Ran into a guy the other night. It is my first wreck. He shot over into my lant and it's pretty hard to stop a 6k pond truck. Hit him going about 45. He was in a big F-150. Insurance gave me a 9k estimate. State Farm is about to drop me after already sinking one and now this!
We didn't have our seatbelts on and I'm amazed it didn't do more damage. The pic I took with my cell phone so it isn't very clear.

im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4d602b3127cceb4aa7da42ee60000001610



Why would you be dropped if it wasn't your fault? Besides the sinking.



Looks like he rear-ended the F150 and is his fault. That doesn't look like a 45 mph crash, were you going 45 before braking to 25 and hit him, or were you going 45 when you hit him going 25, etc?



That looks at about 45 to me, me and my buddy were just in the same kind of wreck in a dodge ram, same speed. Tell you what though, its nice having a big vehicle in that king of situation, I barely felt an impact. Took about 8k to fix it all up. Its amazing what they can do with bodywork these days, 10 years ago it would have been considered totalled. Looks like nothing ever happened.
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 12:39:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By tactmaster:

Originally Posted By jeremy223:

Originally Posted By TheRealSundance:

Originally Posted By oubeta:
Ran into a guy the other night. It is my first wreck. He shot over into my lant and it's pretty hard to stop a 6k pond truck. Hit him going about 45. He was in a big F-150. Insurance gave me a 9k estimate. State Farm is about to drop me after already sinking one and now this!
We didn't have our seatbelts on and I'm amazed it didn't do more damage. The pic I took with my cell phone so it isn't very clear.

im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4d602b3127cceb4aa7da42ee60000001610



Why would you be dropped if it wasn't your fault? Besides the sinking.



Looks like he rear-ended the F150 and is his fault. That doesn't look like a 45 mph crash, were you going 45 before braking to 25 and hit him, or were you going 45 when you hit him going 25, etc?



That looks at about 45 to me, me and my buddy were just in the same kind of wreck in a dodge ram, same speed. Tell you what though, its nice having a big vehicle in that king of situation, I barely felt an impact. Took about 8k to fix it all up. Its amazing what they can do with bodywork these days, 10 years ago it would have been considered totalled. Looks like nothing ever happened.



Wear a seatbelt .....swim to the deep end of the gene pool Darwin skims the shallow-end often.
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 12:46:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By TomJefferson:

Originally Posted By Roadhawk:

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:

Originally Posted By TomJefferson:

Originally Posted By BigDozer66:

Originally Posted By Quarterbore:
Looks like you need to buy a ford!

Sorry....



Range Rover is a Ford!

BigDozer66



Sorry Big but BMW now owns Land Rover with plans to drop the GM 4.6L aluminum block for the BMW DOHC V8.

Tj



Nope ... BMW was the previous owner. Land Rover is now a Division of Ford.

Link to BBC article



You are correct. Land Rover is part of the Premier Auto Group at Ford. Land Rover still buys some engines from BMW.



Well I stand corrected and now find it hard to buy a $50,000 Ford without Eddie Bauer's name on it.

Tj



Just have someone else pay for it
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 12:51:04 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 12:55:17 PM EST
nice rover
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 12:57:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By Sweep:

Originally Posted By oubeta:
Ran into a guy the other night. It is my first wreck. He shot over into my lant and it's pretty hard to stop a 6k pond truck. Hit him going about 45. He was in a big F-150. Insurance gave me a 9k estimate. State Farm is about to drop me after already sinking one and now this!
We didn't have our seatbelts on and I'm amazed it didn't do more damage. The pic I took with my cell phone so it isn't very clear.

im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4d602b3127cceb4aa7da42ee60000001610



Doubt that truck in the picture weighs 6k. I've got a Chevy 2500 4x4 and it's just under 6k.

Oh you said "pond" truck? You must be talking about the one you sank?



prolly a little more sound deadening and other heavy interior bits that make for some of that weight.
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 1:48:32 PM EST
Sorry bought your luck ! ! I hope it ain't one of those ' runs in 3's ' things ! ! ! ! This reminds me of the dude who had the post about not liking people who drive FORD trucks with the fish on the back ; I know somebody remembers that .
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 2:07:26 PM EST
I hit him giong 45 and didn't have time to hit my brakes for more than a second. I guess it was my fault, but I didn't get a ticket and guy guy told the cop he changed lanes too fast and he had to slam on his brakes. oh well glad I had full coverage
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 2:12:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By SNorman:
Shouldn't be any harder to stop a 6000 "pond" truck than any other vehicle.



I don't think they fit 6K ponds in there, it's more like 6 puddles, and an unusual stain.
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 2:26:58 PM EST

Originally Posted By jeremy223:

Originally Posted By TheRealSundance:

Originally Posted By oubeta:
Ran into a guy the other night. It is my first wreck. He shot over into my lant and it's pretty hard to stop a 6k pond truck. Hit him going about 45. He was in a big F-150. Insurance gave me a 9k estimate. State Farm is about to drop me after already sinking one and now this!
We didn't have our seatbelts on and I'm amazed it didn't do more damage. The pic I took with my cell phone so it isn't very clear.

im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4d602b3127cceb4aa7da42ee60000001610



Why would you be dropped if it wasn't your fault? Besides the sinking.



Looks like he rear-ended the F150 and is his fault. That doesn't look like a 45 mph crash, were you going 45 before braking to 25 and hit him, or were you going 45 when you hit him going 25, etc?




"He shot over into my lane"

I was going by this statement. Sounded like the guy swerved infront of him.
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 2:30:13 PM EST
This sounds fishy... and not the pond part.

COuld this possibly be this other guy's fault?

If not... I could use some $ and its easy to just fly in front of someone and hit the brakes...


- BUCC_Guy


Link Posted: 8/23/2004 2:30:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/23/2004 2:34:54 PM EST by SNorman]
Yes, I was poking fun at the spelling, but if you think weight has a direct correlation to braking distance, here are some specs I grabbed at random from Edmunds.com, in no particular order:

Toyota Prius, 2890 lbs, Braking Distance (60-0 mph): 131.65 ft.
Jeep Liberty, 4150 lbs, Braking Distance (60-0 mph): 133 ft.
Land Rover Freelander, 3577 lbs, Braking Distance (60-0 mph): 117.98 ft.

Oh ETA one more:

Porsche Cayenne, 5200 lbs, Braking Distance (60-0 mph): 116.34 ft.

Ahahaha ETA again, you'll love this one:

Honda Civic, 2339 lbs, Braking Distance (60-0 mph): 146 ft.
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 2:36:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By oubeta:
I hit him giong 45 and didn't have time to hit my brakes for more than a second. I guess it was my fault, but I didn't get a ticket and guy guy told the cop he changed lanes too fast and he had to slam on his brakes. oh well glad I had full coverage



If you didn't get a ticket it probably was not your fault. I got in an accident with an impact of I think 30-35 mph to a stationary vehicle. Passenger without seatbelt was nearly ejected (partially through windshield) and the car was about 1/2 its previous length. I got a couple of slipped discs, one helluva burn from shoulderbelt and messed up knees from the dash intruding into the front seats I guess a 1989 Ford Escort isn't quite as crash worthy as a new(er) range rover.

Glad you're alright, and you should probably be greatful for airbags. My acquaintence that went into the windshield couldn't answer any of the EMT's questions and stayed in the hospital for a while.
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 2:37:47 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 2:41:04 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/23/2004 2:41:38 PM EST by SNorman]

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:
You mean there's different types of brakes each with their own stopping power?

Geez, I thought the rover would have the same brakes as my 90 accord.



Most vehicles have enough braking power to skid the tires. After that, no extra "braking power" will help. A semi truck with enough braking power to potentially skid the tires will stop just as quick as anything else. The more wieght a vehicle has, the more traction it has so it all balances out. Other factors such as weight distribution, ABS systems, and tire compounds will have more of an effect.
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 2:41:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/23/2004 2:42:34 PM EST by OLY-M4gery]

Originally Posted By SNorman:
Yes, I was poking fun at the spelling, but if you think weight has a direct correlation to braking distance, here are some specs I grabbed at random from Edmunds.com, in no particular order:

Toyota Prius, 2890 lbs, Braking Distance (60-0 mph): 131.65 ft.
Jeep Liberty, 4150 lbs, Braking Distance (60-0 mph): 133 ft.
Land Rover Freelander, 3577 lbs, Braking Distance (60-0 mph): 117.98 ft.

Oh ETA one more:

Porsche Cayenne, 5200 lbs, Braking Distance (60-0 mph): 116.34 ft.

Ahahaha ETA again, you'll love this one:

Honda Civic, 2339 lbs, Braking Distance (60-0 mph): 146 ft.



Yes, more weight requires more braking force to stop it from the same speed as a lighter vehicle. However more weight also creates greater available traction, making the tires more difficult to "lock up". Spinning tires have more grip than sliding tires and will stop a vehicle faster.

I would bet the Porsche, has very powerful, well designed brakes, and is using all available traction to stop.

My guess, is the Civic, has more traction than brakes, and better brakes could be fitted to decrease the stopping distance.
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 2:42:27 PM EST
Well, so is it harder to stop a 6000 pound vehicle or not?
Link Posted: 8/23/2004 2:43:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/23/2004 2:47:54 PM EST by hydroshok]
better start wearing seat belts

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