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Posted: 7/25/2013 12:16:16 PM EST
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2377841/Hackers-hijack-software-CAR-remotely-control-steering-brakes-horn-using-laptop.html

Hackers hijack software in a CAR and remotely control the steering, brakes and horn using a laptop




  • Security engineers have managed to hack the software in a Toyota Prius
  • The U.S Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency funded the hack





Forget hacking accounts, computers or mobile devices - security engineers from Indiana have managed to hack the software inside the Toyota Prius and Ford Escape.


Using a laptop wirelessly connected to the car's electronics, Charlie Miller and Chris Valasek were able to remotely control the brakes, the accelerate, change the speedometer, switch the headlights on and off, tighten the seatbelts and even blast the horn.

The project was funded by a grant from the U.S Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency to highlight the security risks affecting modern-day cars.
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Yeah, let's hook up every goddam thing to the Internet.



Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:19:10 PM EST
like i needed another reason to not buy a prius

Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:20:35 PM EST
First post hit it out of the park.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:22:19 PM EST
Hybrids...
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:22:33 PM EST
I suspect this is doable with just about any vehicle that has parallel parking assist.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:26:08 PM EST
Michael Hastings died in an out-of-control single car accident.

Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:26:14 PM EST
I wont drive anything that doesn't have a mechanical connection between me and the tires.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:27:19 PM EST
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Originally Posted By dorobuta:
I suspect this is doable with just about any vehicle that has parallel parking assist.
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I'm not sure exactly what the exploit even was. The article talks about some cars offering wireless, but doesn't say that's what this car has. It also talks about bluetooth exploits, which wouldn't be internet related. There's also the possibility that they hijacked the wifi signal that the car uses for internal communication between various sensors. There was a proof of concept hack around that last year, I believe.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:27:53 PM EST
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They found a new way to kill the next Breitbart. Did anyone think of John Noveske after reading that? If they can do it to a Prius, I guarantee any Chevy or Ford is already susceptible.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:29:28 PM EST
I'll take "fuck that shit" for 1000, Alex.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:31:39 PM EST
This is why I choose to own older pickup trucks. Yeah... that's the ticket...
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:32:07 PM EST
Anything written onto a microchip, can be re-written by anyone with enough smarts. And it isn't THAT hard. In other words, if a human can make it, a human can break it.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:33:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By OnlytheTip:
They found a new way to kill the next Breitbart. Did anyone think of John Noveske after reading that? If they can do it to a Prius, I guarantee any Chevy or Ford is already susceptible.
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What about GM's? Big GM's. You know, limousine size GM's...
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:34:13 PM EST
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Originally Posted By GoBigRed:
I wont drive anything that doesn't have a mechanical connection between me and the tires.
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I hope you take real good care of your older cars. There really aren't any of those left. All modern cars have a black box for recording data. At least we are told that's what they are used for. With all the lies and cover ups, who can trust anyone anymore.
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Originally Posted By Red_Label:
This is why I choose to own older pickup trucks. Yeah... that's the ticket...
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my '66 mustang aint got no computer parts!

too bad i sold it because my ride now has to have child seats
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:36:06 PM EST
This isn't unique to hybrids.

Most modern cars can be remotely compromised.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:36:12 PM EST
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What about GM's? Big GM's. You know, limousine size GM's...
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Originally Posted By hourglassing:
Originally Posted By OnlytheTip:
They found a new way to kill the next Breitbart. Did anyone think of John Noveske after reading that? If they can do it to a Prius, I guarantee any Chevy or Ford is already susceptible.


What about GM's? Big GM's. You know, limousine size GM's...


What if a "terrorist" (think CIA) could control a Presidential limousine that has a Republican President in it. You are onto something here.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:37:00 PM EST
Well this thread went to crazy town pretty quick. Must have been the secret microchip instructions in OP.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:37:58 PM EST
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Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
This isn't unique to hybrids.

Most modern cars can be remotely compromised.
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The devil in this is in the details. I'm going out on a limb and guessing they didn't just walk up to a car in the parking lot and start playing GTA4.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:38:23 PM EST
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Originally Posted By OnlytheTip:
They found a new way to kill the next Breitbart. Did anyone think of John Noveske after reading that? If they can do it to a Prius, I guarantee any Chevy or Ford is already susceptible.
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Noveske was driving an '84 Land Rover.

Michael Hastings, on the other hand, was driving a 2013 Mercedes when he died in his single vehicle car crash, where he zoomed through red lights apparently out of control.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/08/three-weeks-later-details-about-reporter-michael-hastings-death-in-fiery-car-crash-remain-a-mystery/
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:40:38 PM EST
Anyone owning a Prius deserves to have a hacker drive it for them.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:41:25 PM EST
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Originally Posted By BubbaDog81:


I hope you take real good care of your older cars. There really aren't any of those left. All modern cars have a black box for recording data. At least we are told that's what they are used for. With all the lies and cover ups, who can trust anyone anymore.
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Originally Posted By BubbaDog81:
Originally Posted By GoBigRed:
I wont drive anything that doesn't have a mechanical connection between me and the tires.


I hope you take real good care of your older cars. There really aren't any of those left. All modern cars have a black box for recording data. At least we are told that's what they are used for. With all the lies and cover ups, who can trust anyone anymore.


Don't worry I have a good supply of late 90's Crown Vics and Town Cars with room for more.
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The devil in this is in the details. I'm going out on a limb and guessing they didn't just walk up to a car in the parking lot and start playing GTA4.
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
This isn't unique to hybrids.

Most modern cars can be remotely compromised.


The devil in this is in the details. I'm going out on a limb and guessing they didn't just walk up to a car in the parking lot and start playing GTA4.


Re-reading it, the parallel parking feature is somewhat unique in having braking, acceleration and steering controlled by wire (either directly or in parallel with a mechanical system)

I have been looking at Fords, but the Ecoboost debacle has cooled my interest somewhat. I have heard of several complaints about the sync system, which apparently was the point of entry for the hacks.

Any wireless capability in the car (Sync, Bluetooth connections, WiFi or even OnStar I suppose) could be exploited to one degree or another. Some just to listen or disable the car, others to actively control it.

Ford & Toyota should offer delete options on wireless capability. Bet there would be more than a few takers...

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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:


The devil in this is in the details. I'm going out on a limb and guessing they didn't just walk up to a car in the parking lot and start playing GTA4.
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
This isn't unique to hybrids.

Most modern cars can be remotely compromised.


The devil in this is in the details. I'm going out on a limb and guessing they didn't just walk up to a car in the parking lot and start playing GTA4.
You'd have guessed right.

Most of these exploits are extremely complicated, or have unrealistic prerequisites.

Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:43:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
This isn't unique to hybrids.

Most modern cars can be remotely compromised.
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Between remotely delivered malicious code, ad supply chain issues, the future could be scary.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:43:48 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Screechjet1:



Between remotely delivered malicious code, ad supply chain issues, the future could be scary.
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Originally Posted By Screechjet1:
Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
This isn't unique to hybrids.

Most modern cars can be remotely compromised.



Between remotely delivered malicious code, ad supply chain issues, the future could be scary.

Indeed.

I'll keep my 88 Ford.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:44:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By GoBigRed:
I wont drive anything that doesn't have a mechanical connection between me and the tires.
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They disabled power steering, they weren't able to actually steer the car. Steer by wire is still not implemented on any production car (yet).

Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:44:53 PM EST
I think in this case, they were directly plugged into the car, but there was a NOVA ScienceNow episode ("Can science stop crime?" or something like that) where the called the car's onstar phone and flashed the lights, unlocked it so someone could get in, started the engine, and he drove away. Then they put him on a track and locked up his brakes.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:46:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
You'd have guessed right.

Most of these exploits are extremely complicated, or have unrealistic prerequisites.

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Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
This isn't unique to hybrids.

Most modern cars can be remotely compromised.


The devil in this is in the details. I'm going out on a limb and guessing they didn't just walk up to a car in the parking lot and start playing GTA4.
You'd have guessed right.

Most of these exploits are extremely complicated, or have unrealistic prerequisites.



As an exercise in theory it makes sense. Having white hats publish the faults in the system is worth the money if the manufacturers start thinking security.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:47:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By fiver:

They disabled power steering, they weren't able to actually steer the car. Steer by wire is still not implemented on any production car (yet).

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Originally Posted By fiver:
Originally Posted By GoBigRed:
I wont drive anything that doesn't have a mechanical connection between me and the tires.

They disabled power steering, they weren't able to actually steer the car. Steer by wire is still not implemented on any production car (yet).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48CsfoRihqg&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:48:29 PM EST
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:

As an exercise in theory it makes sense. Having white hats publish the faults in the system is worth the money if the manufacturers start thinking security.
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Frankly I'm appalled that security hasn't been introduced into the life-cycle at every step.

I mean, we are in the year 2013, and technology exploits have been around for 50 years.

For smart animals, we as a species can be pretty fucking stubborn.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:48:46 PM EST
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Originally Posted By fiver:

They disabled power steering, they weren't able to actually steer the car. Steer by wire is still not implemented on any production car (yet).

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Originally Posted By fiver:
Originally Posted By GoBigRed:
I wont drive anything that doesn't have a mechanical connection between me and the tires.

They disabled power steering, they weren't able to actually steer the car. Steer by wire is still not implemented on any production car (yet).


There's obviously some electronic to mechanical linkage in the cars with parking assist.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:49:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By fiver:

They disabled power steering, they weren't able to actually steer the car. Steer by wire is still not implemented on any production car (yet).

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Originally Posted By fiver:
Originally Posted By GoBigRed:
I wont drive anything that doesn't have a mechanical connection between me and the tires.

They disabled power steering, they weren't able to actually steer the car. Steer by wire is still not implemented on any production car (yet).



http://www.wired.com/autopia/2013/05/al_drivebywire/
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Originally Posted By BubbaDog81:

In other words, if a human can make it, a human can break it.



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Truer words were never spoken .
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Originally Posted By SnoopisTDI:
Originally Posted By fiver:
Originally Posted By GoBigRed:
I wont drive anything that doesn't have a mechanical connection between me and the tires.

They disabled power steering, they weren't able to actually steer the car. Steer by wire is still not implemented on any production car (yet).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48CsfoRihqg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

And?

There are no production cars that are steer by wire (yet). All production cars still have a physical connection from the steering wheel to the tires.



Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:51:15 PM EST
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Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
This isn't unique to hybrids.

Most modern cars can be remotely compromised.
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. . . this is On-Star , can I help you ?
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:51:17 PM EST
I remember in the Michael Hastings thread where it was posted that Alex Jones talked about this. Half the thread laughed their asses off and said it's impossible tinfoil hat nuttery. Then berated the people who talked about it.


Line for extra large servings of crow is --------->
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:51:50 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TexasOutdoorsman:
like i needed another reason to not buy a prius

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Course, they wouldn't use a Volt for this.


People, if you want to be SAFE, you MUST buy a VOLT! It's the only option!


Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:52:32 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Choking_Hazard:
I remember in the Michael Hastings thread where it was posted that Alex Jones talked about this. Half the thread laughed their asses off and said it's impossible tinfoil hat nuttery. Then berated the people who talked about it.


Line for extra large servings of crow is --------->
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It's still tinfoil hat nuttery.
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Originally Posted By Drakich:

Michael Hastings, on the other hand, was driving a 2013 Mercedes when he died in his single vehicle car crash, where he zoomed through red lights apparently out of control.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/08/three-weeks-later-details-about-reporter-michael-hastings-death-in-fiery-car-crash-remain-a-mystery/
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Originally Posted By Drakich:

Michael Hastings, on the other hand, was driving a 2013 Mercedes when he died in his single vehicle car crash, where he zoomed through red lights apparently out of control.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/08/three-weeks-later-details-about-reporter-michael-hastings-death-in-fiery-car-crash-remain-a-mystery/


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Is such a thing even possible?
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. . . this is On-Star , can I help you ?
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Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
This isn't unique to hybrids.

Most modern cars can be remotely compromised.

. . . this is On-Star , can I help you ?
Yep.

I'm actually familiar with the security systems at On-Star as well, and I'm not impressed.

Two steps away from a kid with Cheetos stained fingers shutting down every GM in the country is pretty scary.


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Originally Posted By fiver:

And?

There are no production cars that are steer by wire (yet). All production cars still have a physical connection from the steering wheel to the tires.



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Originally Posted By fiver:
Originally Posted By SnoopisTDI:
Originally Posted By fiver:
Originally Posted By GoBigRed:
I wont drive anything that doesn't have a mechanical connection between me and the tires.

They disabled power steering, they weren't able to actually steer the car. Steer by wire is still not implemented on any production car (yet).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48CsfoRihqg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

And?

There are no production cars that are steer by wire (yet). All production cars still have a physical connection from the steering wheel to the tires.




And the cars that auto-park ....what controls the steering ?
If youre buzzin along the highway and the computer gets a signal to steer left . . . . . .
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Originally Posted By OnlytheTip:
They found a new way to kill the next Breitbart. Did anyone think of John Noveske after reading that? If they can do it to a Prius, I guarantee any Chevy or Ford is already susceptible.
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Yeah there have been a few suspicious single vehicle auto accidents that this could apply to, but Noveske was driving an 80's vintage vehicle IIRC.

I have one word to contemplate in addition to the obvious implications for automobiles.

Airbus.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 12:58:08 PM EST
so the question is can this be done to things like airplanes also?
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Originally Posted By Wash-Ar15:
so the question is can this be done to things like airplanes also?
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It's actually MUCH harder to do this to an airplane because there is a physical air-gap between the systems that control it and the other systems on the plane.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 1:00:14 PM EST
Skynet will be a constantly changing group of teenagers and college losers and they will rule the world.
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Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
It's actually MUCH harder to do this to an airplane because there is a physical air-gap between the systems that control it and the other systems on the plane.
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Originally Posted By Wash-Ar15:
so the question is can this be done to things like airplanes also?
It's actually MUCH harder to do this to an airplane because there is a physical air-gap between the systems that control it and the other systems on the plane.

I wouldn't be quite so sure about that.
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Originally Posted By SnoopisTDI:
I think in this case, they were directly plugged into the car, but there was a NOVA ScienceNow episode ("Can science stop crime?" or something like that) where the called the car's onstar phone and flashed the lights, unlocked it so someone could get in, started the engine, and he drove away. Then they put him on a track and locked up his brakes.
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I re-read the art. it was wireless.
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I wouldn't be quite so sure about that.
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Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
Originally Posted By Wash-Ar15:
so the question is can this be done to things like airplanes also?
It's actually MUCH harder to do this to an airplane because there is a physical air-gap between the systems that control it and the other systems on the plane.

I wouldn't be quite so sure about that.
You'd know better than I would.
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[Last Edit: 7/25/2013 1:21:38 PM EST by Screechjet1]
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Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
It's actually MUCH harder to do this to an airplane because there is a physical air-gap between the systems that control it and the other systems on the plane.
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Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
Originally Posted By Wash-Ar15:
so the question is can this be done to things like airplanes also?
It's actually MUCH harder to do this to an airplane because there is a physical air-gap between the systems that control it and the other systems on the plane.


However, I would say that navigational systems are potentially vulnerable.

Eta: depends on the aircraft and specific element targeted.
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