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Posted: 9/3/2004 10:42:05 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 10:43:44 AM EST
like em or not, they are just numbers.

the only numbers that count, are the ones in november.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 10:44:47 AM EST

Campaign 2004: Bush Opens Double-Digit Lead
TIME Poll: Among likely voters, 52% would vote for President George Bush, while 41% would vote for John Kerry and 3% would vote for Ralph Nader

Friday, Sep. 03, 2004
New York: For the first time since the Presidential race became a two person contest last spring, there is a clear leader, the latest TIME poll shows. If the 2004 election for President were held today, 52% of likely voters surveyed would vote for President George W. Bush, 41% would vote for Democratic nominee John Kerry, and 3% would vote for Ralph Nader, according to a new TIME poll conducted from Aug. 31 to Sept. 2. Poll results are available on TIME.com and will appear in the upcoming issue of TIME magazine, on newsstands Monday, Sept. 6.

Most important issues: When asked what they consider are the most important issues, 25% of registered voters cited the economy as the top issue, followed by 24% who cited the war on terrorism as the top issue. The situation in Iraq was rated the top issue by 17% of registered voters, moral values issues such as gay marriage and abortion were the top issue for 16% of respondents, and health care was the most important issue for 11% of respondents.

Bush vs. Kerry:
The economy: 47% trust President Bush more to handle the economy, while 45% trust Kerry.
Health care: 48% trust Senator Kerry to handle health care issues, while 42% trust Bush.
Iraq: 53% trust Bush to handle the situation in Iraq, while 41% trust Kerry.
Terrorism: 57% trust Bush to handle the war on terrorism, while 36% trust Kerry.
Understanding the needs of people: 47% said they trust Kerry to understand the needs of people like themselves, while 44% trusted Bush to understand their needs.
Providing strong leadership: 56% said they trust Bush to provide strong leadership in difficult times, while 37% said they trust Kerry to provide leadership in difficult times.
Tax policy: 49% trust Bush to handle tax policy, while 40% trust Kerry.
Commanding the Armed Forces: 54% said they trust Bush to be commander-in-chief of the armed forces, while 39% said they trust Kerry.

Bush on the Issues:
Iraq: Half (50%) of those surveyed approve of the way President Bush is handling the situation in Iraq, while 46% disapprove. In last week’s TIME poll, 48% approved of the way Bush was handling the situation in Iraq and 48% disapproved.
Terrorism: Almost two thirds (59%) said they approve of how President Bush is handling the war on terrorism, while 38% disapprove. Last week’s TIME poll found 55% approved of Bush’s handling of the war on terrorism, while 40% disapproved.
The Economy: Survey respondents were split on the President’s handling of the economy. Almost half (48%) said the approved of Bush’s handling of the economy, while 48% said the disapproved.

Other results include:
Was U.S. Right Going to War with Iraq? Over half of those surveyed (52%) think the U.S. was right in going to war with Iraq, while 41% think the U.S. was wrong to go to war.

Have the United States’ actions in Iraq made the world safer? Almost half (45%) think the United States’ actions in Iraq have made the world safer, while 45% think the world is more dangerous. In a similar TIME poll taken Aug. 3 – 5, over half (52%) said the world was more dangerous, and 38% said the world was safer.

Methodology: The TIME Poll was conducted August 31 – September 2 by telephone among a random sample of 1,316 adults, including 1,128 reported registered voters and 926 likely voters. The margin of error for registered voters is +/- 3% points, and +/- 4% points for likely voters. Schulman, Ronca, & Bucuvalas (SRBI) Public Affairs conducted the poll, and more complete results are attached.






BigDozer66
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 10:48:17 AM EST

Awesome. But I want to see double digit
leads in Ohio, PA, and FLA, before I
unpucker.

That said, that is a hell of a bounce
coming out of the RNC as compared
to Skerry getting none after the DNC.

I expect to see full panic mode in the
Skerry campaign this week...


Link Posted: 9/3/2004 10:48:30 AM EST
[Han solo] Don't get cocky, kid [/Han Solo]


The good news here, is that in recent days Kerry has come unfuckinghinged. His speech last night was just a gnat's ass's away from a Howard Deanish YEAHAHRHRHHRHLLLLL moment.

The numbers are just numbers, but they may hasten the Kerry implosion.

Now Clinton is in the hospital. Wonder if Hillary just told him she's going to step into the fray.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 10:49:22 AM EST
the most telling one of all......


Providing strong leadership: 56% said they trust Bush to provide strong leadership in difficult times, while 37% said they trust Kerry to provide leadership in difficult times



Link Posted: 9/3/2004 10:50:05 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 10:52:17 AM EST

Other results include:
Was U.S. Right Going to War with Iraq? Over half of those surveyed (52%) think the U.S. was right in going to war with Iraq, while 41% think the U.S. was wrong to go to war.



Now BigDoze...Michael Moore says "That the overwhelming majority of Americans think the US was WRONG to go to war with Iraq!"


So 41% is an overwhelming majority now huh?


I saw a sign on the New York Times? website off a Marines father holding a photo that said "Bush lied my son died and 1000's more."

WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot?

So exactly how many US troops have died?

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 10:52:47 AM EST
Kerry cannot and will not win. It would upset Hitlery's run in 2008. Period.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 10:55:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By mtechgunman:
like em or not, they are just numbers.

the only numbers that count, are the ones in november.



VERY true.

But Kerry STILL just crapped his pants as he saw them.



Link Posted: 9/3/2004 10:57:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By BigDozer66:
I saw a sign on the New York Times? website off a Marines father holding a photo that said "Bush lied my son died and 1000's more."

WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot?
So exactly how many US troops have died?
BigDozer66



You forgot to count all the terrorists.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 10:58:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By pale_pony:
Kerry cannot and will not win. It would upset Hitlery's run in 2008. Period.



My wife thinks I'm crazy for suggesting that!

I tell her I may be crazy but it keeps me from going insane!

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 11:00:06 AM EST
Wow.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 11:00:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:

Originally Posted By BigDozer66:
I saw a sign on the New York Times? website off a Marines father holding a photo that said "Bush lied my son died and 1000's more."

WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot?
So exactly how many US troops have died?
BigDozer66



You forgot to count all the terrorists.



Oh so they count those people in with our people?

I always forget to count the badguys! Doh!

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 11:03:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By garandman:

Originally Posted By mtechgunman:
like em or not, they are just numbers.

the only numbers that count, are the ones in november.



VERY true.

But Kerry STILL just crapped his pants as he saw them.






John Kerry is in panic mode. He is taking desperate actions, and it is showing. Kerry is coming apart.

But, let's not count our chickens before they hatch. Continue spreading the word:

"Vote Bush, because Kerry can't be trusted!"
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 11:07:57 AM EST
Whatever the poll numbers are, there is no excuse for not going out and voting in November. The dumbocrats will be voting 2 or 3 times, paying bums to votes, voting on behalf of dead people, and all the other tricks those dirtbags pull, so each and every one of us needs to go vote.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 11:09:07 AM EST
I think this all boils down to this:

People tend to like Bush. He seems to be a down to earth guy. He's a simple man who seems to have a great deal in common with the average American. He relates well to the average person. He has an emotional and caring side which people like. And he has proven to be a strong leader.

On the other hand, Kerry comes off as a rich snob. He doesn't have a very likable personality. He doesn't seem to have much in common with the average American. His voting record and actions have shown he is anything but a strong or consistent leader.

While the Bush haters will likely continue to support Kerry, no matter what, I think most Americans (at least a clear majority) will see the differences between the 2 and vote for Bush. Kerry just isn't a very likable person (even less so than Gore) and people in this country tend to vote for people they like the most. When you factor in the doubt that people have about Kerry's ability to be a strong and decisive leader in a troubled world, I think that seals the deal.

-CH
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 11:09:37 AM EST
If Bush gets better than 50% of the popular vote, he will be the first President since his father to have done so.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 11:11:02 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 11:15:09 AM EST
Have any of you posted this over at DUh yet?

Link Posted: 9/3/2004 11:16:08 AM EST
Tradesports.com

Last Trade on Bush contracts 59.3 +1.3 buying on high volume
Last Trade Kerry contract 41.5 -.5 (all time low) selling on low volume....they can't give away those Kerry contracts
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 11:18:00 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 11:20:09 AM EST
4 MORE YEARS!!!!!
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 11:20:53 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 11:21:40 AM EST
Damn, that's impressive! FROM TIME, NO LESS!
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 11:22:58 AM EST
JAWS!



BigDozer66
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 11:24:40 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/3/2004 11:25:39 AM EST by Fred-in-PA]
The numbers sound good..but it's like raising chickens. Don't count them until they are hatched.
In the meantime, we can watch the libs and dems become totally unhinged.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 11:25:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
I think this all boils down to this:

People tend to like Bush. He seems to be a down to earth guy. He's a simple man who seems to have a great deal in common with the average American. He relates well to the average person. He has an emotional and caring side which people like. And he has proven to be a strong leader.

On the other hand, Kerry comes off as a rich snob. He doesn't have a very likable personality. He doesn't seem to have much in common with the average American. His voting record and actions have shown he is anything but a strong or consistent leader.




Yep.

A lot of the union guys I know are like that. Kerry may be a Democrat, but they can't see themselves having a beer with him. They don't trust him.

Bush will do fine in PA I think. Blue collar workers who think Kerry is a rich bastard who doesn't know them, and a lot of vets in PA too.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 12:04:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By Spade:
Bush will do fine in PA I think.



He did not in 2000. What makes you believe PA will vote Republican this time? When was the last time PA's electoral votes went to a Republican?
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 12:13:01 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 12:15:07 PM EST
Anybody know what the CA numbers are?

CW
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 5:36:39 PM EST

Originally Posted By Cold_Warrior:
Anybody know what the CA numbers are?

CW



Sgtar15 says Cali is in da bag!

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 5:45:09 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 5:50:42 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 5:53:40 PM EST

Originally Posted By DigDug:

Originally Posted By Wolfpack:
Alot of senior women will vote for Kerry because Edwards is a "cutie"....I've heard it more times than I could possibly imagine from my old customers....old people should be barred from voting...they get goofy.



Why would senior women like someone who looks like a corpse? Ack...



I think you just answered your own question...
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 5:56:08 PM EST
The only poll that really counts is the one on November 2nd, but damn...an 11-point lead...ya gotta love that...it's a great start...now let's build on it...let's make it a BUSH LANDSLIDE in November!!!
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 6:51:51 PM EST
The latest Rasmussen poll showed GWB with a 4 point lead.

www.rasmussenreports.com/Presidential_Tracking_Poll.htm

I think Time's poll may be a bit overstated.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 6:57:56 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 6:59:38 PM EST
As long as Bush bitchslaps Kerry in the debate, then he will win it no problem.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 7:02:41 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/3/2004 7:03:32 PM EST by Johnny_Reno]

Originally Posted By DigDug:

Originally Posted By Johnny_Reno:
The latest Rasmussen poll showed GWB with a 4 point lead.

www.rasmussenreports.com/Presidential_Tracking_Poll.htm

I think Time's poll may be a bit overstated.



Rasmussen is completely out to lunch. His poll is so shifted left it's a joke.




The Rasmussen polls/stats were in line with the other polls prior to the convention.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 7:25:54 PM EST
Read the fine print of the Rasmussen poll...



The Rasmussen Reports Presidential Tracking Poll is reported on a three-day rolling average basis. Very few of the interviews for today's report were completed after the President's speech last night. Most were completed before the speeches given on Wednesday by Senator Zell Miller and Vice President Dick Cheney.



I wonder what the methodology of the TIME poll was...
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 7:28:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/3/2004 7:29:45 PM EST by Johnny_Reno]

Originally Posted By FishKepr:
Read the fine print of the Rasmussen poll...



The Rasmussen Reports Presidential Tracking Poll is reported on a three-day rolling average basis. Very few of the interviews for today's report were completed after the President's speech last night. Most were completed before the speeches given on Wednesday by Senator Zell Miller and Vice President Dick Cheney.



I wonder what the methodology of the TIME poll was...




From what I saw on Fox News tonight, Time's poll used the same timing.

I'd love to see GWB with a double digit lead, but I'm going to wait to see what some of the other polls say before I get my hopes up too high.


Edited to add: Correction - I believe that Fox News stated that the Time poll was taken after Zell and before GWB.
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 7:33:23 PM EST
What do I think about those numbers?


I like it alot!!


Link Posted: 9/3/2004 7:44:37 PM EST
There are numerous threads on DUh talking about this issue. All of a sudden Time and CNN are shills of the right! Maybe they are when you are a fucking socialist.

Anyway, I had to post this comment from one of their threads:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x740190



Goldom (657 posts) Fri Sep-03-04 06:26 PM
Response to Original message
7. they don't say it outright, but this "52/41" crap is STILL a statistical tie. If you look at the bottom, they've got it at a 4% error. Take away 4% for bush, add it to kerry, and give kerry the 3% that Nader no way has, and look, 48-48.

The Hybrid Prius: Best car ever / Google bomb: Miserable Failure Unfit For Command / Give free food, rainforest, etc., daily:hungersite.com /



I, of course, had to include his sig line just for laughs.
tony
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 4:43:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By Blackjack272:
As long as Bush bitchslaps Kerry in the debate, then he will win it no problem.



The debates are a non issue. Kerry could take a dump on stage while Bush went on a profanity laced rant against old people and children. It wouldnt change the votes of a significant portion of likely voters. Voters vote based on ideals & beliefs, not candidates.
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 4:46:44 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/4/2004 4:47:10 AM EST by RikWriter]

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By Spade:
Bush will do fine in PA I think.



He did not in 2000. What makes you believe PA will vote Republican this time? When was the last time PA's electoral votes went to a Republican?



2000 was a lifetime ago. Don't try to predict this election's outcome using 2000. The last time PA went Republican for President was in 1988 I believe, when another Bush faced another Massacussetts liberal.
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 2:13:28 PM EST

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By Spade:
Bush will do fine in PA I think.



He did not in 2000. What makes you believe PA will vote Republican this time? When was the last time PA's electoral votes went to a Republican?



2000 was a lifetime ago. Don't try to predict this election's outcome using 2000. The last time PA went Republican for President was in 1988 I believe, when another Bush faced another Massacussetts liberal.



1988 a really long time ago. Past results are very indicative of future performance in elections.
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 2:26:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By Hexagram13:
Goldom (657 posts) Fri Sep-03-04 06:26 PM
Response to Original message
7. they don't say it outright, but this "52/41" crap is STILL a statistical tie. If you look at the bottom, they've got it at a 4% error. Take away 4% for bush, add it to kerry, and give kerry the 3% that Nader no way has, and look, 48-48.



That's what W calls "fuzzy math"...
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 2:34:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By BigDozer66:
I saw a sign on the New York Times? website off a Marines father holding a photo that said "Bush lied my son died and 1000's more."

BigDozer66



I often wonder how many of those "parents" are really parents of service personnel. You know, kind of like that it was found that many of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War turned out to be not veterans of any kind.
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 2:49:01 PM EST
I don't think the illegals are being polled, and there is no telling how much cheating will be going on. The illegals were able to throw an election in Orange county CA, and a judge let it stand. Like Hugh Hewlett 's book "If It's Not Close, They Can't Cheat". Everyone needs to show up on election day.
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 3:30:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
1988 a really long time ago. Past results are very indicative of future performance in elections.



Right...so since this is another case of a President Bush facing a Massachussets far-left liberal, the results should be similar.
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