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Posted: 9/12/2004 6:42:25 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 6:44:54 AM EST
Like I said earlier.


A muslim can kill a bunch of school children and truly believe that it was the infidels that killed them since they attacked the muslims sometime in the past. Many believe that killing an infidel is accualy doing them a favor.


That's why they believe they are so damn peaceful.

SGatr15
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 6:45:10 AM EST
Isn't your title an oxymoron.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 1:41:01 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 1:42:17 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 1:45:08 PM EST
They arent Muslims then.

Read their Koran. The koran specifically says anyone who isnt of their faith is a traitor and must be made a martyr (killed). It also says that if you do not you are a traitor yourself.

So they arent muslims if they say that they dont beleive in violence against non muslims. Thats not what Islam is about.

I read the Koran and whatnot after Sept. 11th.

This is propaganda. Also note the Koran says that you are supposed to gain the trust of them, and then perform an act of being a traitor against them.

They want to win over the American Public while they plan their next murder.

THis is fact. But take it how you want. But I would do a little background into their religion before you pass any positive judgement onto them. I did. And I totally support our war on terrorism.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 1:56:12 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:01:16 PM EST

Originally Posted By Ritual:


Read their Koran. The koran specifically says anyone who isnt of their faith is a traitor and must be made a martyr (killed). It also says that if you do not you are a traitor yourself.

...

I read the Koran



Since you're such an expert on the Koran, would you mind pointing that particular passage or verse out to me.

(Don't bother to post the usual cut-and-paste bullshit from other sites - those are tiresome, and I've yet to see one that actually quotes a verse saying that all non-muslims must categorically be killed.)

No, since YOU make such a big deal of YOUR expertise in the Koran, please cite the particular verses that says that ANYONE who is not a muslim MUST BE KILLED.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:04:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2004 2:12:42 PM EST by Ritual]
Sure. Ill post it here. It was a helleva long read.

"9.2] So go about in the land for four months and know that you cannot weaken Allah and that Allah will bring disgrace to the unbelievers."

"[9.3] And an announcement from Allah and His Apostle to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah and His Apostle are free from liability to the idolaters; therefore if you repent, it will be better for you, and if you turn back, then know that you will not weaken Allah; and announce painful punishment to those who disbelieve."

"[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

"[9.9] They have taken a small price for the communications of Allah, so they turn away from His way; surely evil is it that they do."

It goes on and on and on and on and on. About a thousand different passages about killing us, earning our trust and then backstabbing us, raping women etc.
[9.12] And if they break their oaths after their agreement and (openly) revile your religion, then fight the leaders of unbelief-- surely their oaths are nothing-- so that they may desist."

KORAN TRANSLATED INTO ENGLISH

BASICALLY THE WHOLE THING IS ABOUT KILLING AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THEIR FAITH

Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:12:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2004 2:13:47 PM EST by DK-Prof]

Originally Posted By Ritual:
Sure. Ill post it here. It was a helleva long read.



I doubt that you read it, because the Koran says no such thing.


(edited to add - I just saw your posts, and it's the usual bullshit - NOTHING in there says to KILL ALL NON-MUSLIMS. Try again, because none of those passages even come close )

The Koran says LOTS of other creepy stuff, and it's all about subjugating and conquering other lands and converting people. And it's totally in favor of killing people for all sorts of reasons - like they "betrayed your" or they wronged you at some point in the past, or they are "infidels" (note - not Christans or Jews, who are not considered "infidel").

The Koran is a creepy book for a creepy and dangerous religion - but it does NOT say that all non-muslims should be killed.

I agree that Islam is a huge threat - but we do not combat it with lies and half-truths.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:17:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2004 2:38:22 PM EST by The_Beer_Slayer]
personal attacks removed
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:17:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By Ritual:
Sure. Ill post it here. It was a helleva long read.

"9.2] So go about in the land for four months and know that you cannot weaken Allah and that Allah will bring disgrace to the unbelievers."

"[9.3] And an announcement from Allah and His Apostle to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah and His Apostle are free from liability to the idolaters; therefore if you repent, it will be better for you, and if you turn back, then know that you will not weaken Allah; and announce painful punishment to those who disbelieve."

"[9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

"[9.9] They have taken a small price for the communications of Allah, so they turn away from His way; surely evil is it that they do."

It goes on and on and on and on and on. About a thousand different passages about killing us, earning our trust and then backstabbing us, raping women etc.
[9.12] And if they break their oaths after their agreement and (openly) revile your religion, then fight the leaders of unbelief-- surely their oaths are nothing-- so that they may desist."

KORAN TRANSLATED INTO ENGLISH

BASICALLY THE WHOLE THING IS ABOUT KILLING AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THEIR FAITH





Oh what a surprise - quotes JUST LIKE the ones that everyone else posts.

What a coincidence that the people who all claim to "have read the Koran" end up posting from this same section of the Koran.

It's particularly idiotic, because that passage in the Koran refers to IDOLATORS - not ALL NON-MUSLIMS (you know who idolators are, right? those are the ones referred to in the 2nd COMMANDEMENT, in which God threatens people who worship idols.)

Idolators are a VERY different category from Christians and Jews. A passage that refers to killing idolators is not anywhere near commanding muslims to "kill all non-muslims"

In addition, that entire passage (not jsut your quotes) also specifically refers to idolators who do not have treaties with the muslims. Idolators who honor treaties with muslims and do not aid the enemies of the muslims also are not covered by what you quoted.

So this quote - scary and psychotic as it seems when viewed out of context - provides NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that the Koran commands mulisms to "kill all non-muslims"

Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:19:06 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2004 2:38:58 PM EST by The_Beer_Slayer]
personal attacks removed
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:25:48 PM EST
I fucking gave you the link to the fucking koran. READ IT. I stopped fucking quoting passages in the very beginning of the koran becuase there are too many.

And there is no 2nd commandment in the goddamn Koran. Idolaters to them are specifically defined as non beleivers.

Also note. That America is defined as an idolater becuase we support Israel (The jews).

So fucking come again.

Traitors.

GO live in the sand then.

Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:27:48 PM EST
DK_Prof deserves an PWNED pic of his own. Talk about a smack down!

It is very apparent you know what you're talking about.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:27:56 PM EST
You guys do realize that not all members of all religeons adhere to their holy book as strictly as others...

How many Christians on this board have ever had sex with someone who wasn't your spouse at the time of the act?

How many Jews practice animal sacrifice, or punish disobedient sons with stoning?

The fact is, weather you like it or not, most Muslims ARE non-violent.

Makes it a little harder to villify the entire religeon for the actions of a few lunatics...

While they're rather misguided as to who to worship, that is as far as it goes...

God will judge them foir that, as it is an offense against Him, not us.

As for the ones who are TERRORISTS or LEADERS WHO SUPPORT TERROR, well, those guys need to die - but only them, not the rest...
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:28:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2004 2:40:12 PM EST by The_Beer_Slayer]
persoanl attacks removed


And your an immigrated American. Your point? I have read the entire Koran. Every single line. And it gets more grim the farther you read. And I just quoted something from the very beginning of it and did not even go into depth. Nor have I time to entertain everyone's little concern in this thread. The koran is not that big. You can read it an an hour. Im here waiting for your apology when you finish it.

Until you read the Koran please SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:30:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By Dave_A:
You guys do realize that not all members of all religeons adhere to their holy book as strictly as others...

How many Christians on this board have ever had sex with someone who wasn't your spouse at the time of the act?

How many Jews practice animal sacrifice, or punish disobedient sons with stoning?

The fact is, weather you like it or not, most Muslims ARE non-violent.

Makes it a little harder to villify the entire religeon for the actions of a few lunatics...

While they're rather misguided as to who to worship, that is as far as it goes...

God will judge them foir that, as it is an offense against Him, not us.

As for the ones who are TERRORISTS or LEADERS WHO SUPPORT TERROR, well, those guys need to die - but only them, not the rest...



Also note that the bible does say that you would be forgiven if you do not follow every little hting in the bible.

The koran does not. And any idiot who knows anything about the koran and the middle east, is that your likely to get throwin in prison or raped or shot if you break one of their holy traditions.

Again another know nothing american.

Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:31:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By Ritual:
I fucking gave you the link to the fucking koran. READ IT. I stopped fucking quoting passages in the very beginning of the koran becuase there are too many.

And there is no 2nd commandment in the goddamn Koran. Idolaters to them are specifically defined as non beleivers.

Also note. That America is defined as an idolater becuase we support Israel (The jews).

So fucking come again.

Traitors.

GO live in the sand then.




Nice try 23...

A word of advice: Don't argue with the professors & lawyers on this board, a guy like you wil LOSE...

Go troll somewhere else,
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:31:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By Ritual:

And your an immigrated American. Your point? I have read the entire Koran. Every single line. And it gets more grim the farther you read. And I just quoted something from the very beginning of it and did not even go into depth. Nor have I time to entertain everyone little concern in this thread.

Until you read the Koran please SHUT THE FUCK UP.





No, you have not read the Koran, and everyone here knows it because you illustrated it yourself, genius! You did so by quoting a completely unrelated verse, that says NOTHING of the things that you claimed it did.

... and which just HAPPENS to be the same verses that everyone else who hasn't read the Koran cuts and pastes from the internet.

Unlike you, I HAVE in fact read the Koran, so none of your bullshit impresses me.


But if you want to keep acting like the petulant child, knock yourself out. Everyone is already laughing at you.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:34:51 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2004 2:39:31 PM EST by DK-Prof]

Originally Posted By Ritual:

<offensive personal attack edited out>




Hey look everyone - the predictable personal attack of the person who has been proven wrong and has no argument.


Nice
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:35:23 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:37:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2004 2:40:58 PM EST by DK-Prof]

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
enough with the personal attacks.

This is my thread. if you want to argue take it to email. If it continues i will ask staff to get involved and solve this.

I highly suggest ALL attacks be edited out of this thread.

mike




ETA - sorry about the threadjack, but depsite my personal dislike for the institution of Islam, I have this thing about "facts"
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:46:15 PM EST
"104.1] Woe to every slanderer, defamer,
[104.2] Who amasses wealth and considers it a provision (against mishap);
[104.3] He thinks that his wealth will make him immortal.
[104.4] Nay! he shall most certainly be hurled into the crushing disaster,
[104.5] And what will make you realize what the crushing disaster is?
[104.6] It is the fire kindled by Allah,
[104.7] Which rises above the hearts.
[104.8] Surely it shall be closed over upon them,
[104.9] In extended columns."

"98.6] Surely those who disbelieve from among the followers of the Book and the polytheists shall be in the fire of hell, abiding therein; they are the worst of men."

"[1.1] All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.
[1.2] The Beneficent, the Merciful.
[1.3] Master of the Day of Judgment.
[1.4] Thee do we serve and Thee do we beseech for help.
[1.5] Keep us on the right path.
[1.6] The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray."

"[2.6] Surely those who disbelieve, it being alike to them whether you warn them, or do not warn them, will not believe.
[2.7] Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing and there is a covering over their eyes, and there is a great punishment for them."

"[2.9] They desire to deceive Allah and those who believe, and they deceive only themselves and they do not perceive."
"[2.10] There is a disease in their hearts, so Allah added to their disease and they shall have a painful chastisement because they lied."

"[2.13] And when it is said to them: Believe as the people believe they say: Shall we believe as the fools believe? Now surely they themselves are the fools, but they do not know.
[2.14] And when they meet those who believe, they say: We believe; and when they are alone with their Shaitans, they say: Surely we are with you, we were only mocking.
[2.15] Allah shall pay them back their mockery, and He leaves them alone in their inordinacy, blindly wandering on."


goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

fucking read it you fucking terrorist.

Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:46:42 PM EST
MUST...NOT...SAY...IT...WILL...GET...BANNED...
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:48:24 PM EST

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
enough with the personal attacks.

This is my thread. if you want to argue take it to email. If it continues i will ask staff to get involved and solve this.

I highly suggest ALL attacks be edited out of this thread.

mike




ETA - sorry about the threadjack, but depsite my personal dislike for the institution of Islam, I have this thing about "facts"



SOMETHING YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. YOU CANT EVEN READ A 24 page document, in which most of the pages only have a few passages on them. And once you do read it, you cant ocmprehend it.

I would bet your an arab anyways.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:48:52 PM EST
HAAAHAHAHAHA! What an oxymoron!
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:50:43 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:52:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
RITUAL,

check your IM ASAP.

this is the LAST warning. Next offense i am asking for an account lock.

mike



BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA! Staff is likely to ignore you, then lock your own thread!
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:54:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By Ritual:
"104.1] Woe to every slanderer, defamer,
[104.2] Who amasses wealth and considers it a provision (against mishap);
[104.3] He thinks that his wealth will make him immortal.
[104.4] Nay! he shall most certainly be hurled into the crushing disaster,
[104.5] And what will make you realize what the crushing disaster is?
[104.6] It is the fire kindled by Allah,
[104.7] Which rises above the hearts.
[104.8] Surely it shall be closed over upon them,
[104.9] In extended columns."

"98.6] Surely those who disbelieve from among the followers of the Book and the polytheists shall be in the fire of hell, abiding therein; they are the worst of men."

"[1.1] All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.
[1.2] The Beneficent, the Merciful.
[1.3] Master of the Day of Judgment.
[1.4] Thee do we serve and Thee do we beseech for help.
[1.5] Keep us on the right path.
[1.6] The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray."

"[2.6] Surely those who disbelieve, it being alike to them whether you warn them, or do not warn them, will not believe.
[2.7] Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing and there is a covering over their eyes, and there is a great punishment for them."

"[2.9] They desire to deceive Allah and those who believe, and they deceive only themselves and they do not perceive."
"[2.10] There is a disease in their hearts, so Allah added to their disease and they shall have a painful chastisement because they lied."

"[2.13] And when it is said to them: Believe as the people believe they say: Shall we believe as the fools believe? Now surely they themselves are the fools, but they do not know.
[2.14] And when they meet those who believe, they say: We believe; and when they are alone with their Shaitans, they say: Surely we are with you, we were only mocking.
[2.15] Allah shall pay them back their mockery, and He leaves them alone in their inordinacy, blindly wandering on."





I'll ignore the personal attack and ASK YOU AGAIN where it says that muslims must kill all non-muslims??

I don't see that anywhere in any of the stuff you've posted. Religions saying that non-believers go to hell is NOT really the same as commanding its followers to kill all non-believers, mmkay.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:55:59 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:56:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2004 2:57:54 PM EST by DK-Prof]

Originally Posted By Ritual:
SOMETHING YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. YOU CANT EVEN READ A 24 page document, in which most of the pages only have a few passages on them. And once you do read it, you cant ocmprehend it.

I would bet your an arab anyways.




I'm missing something here. Are you saying that the Koran is 24 pages long???


That's very strange, because my copy has over 400 pages.

Or are you talking about some other document. Maybe this is the source of our disagreement. Perhaps you read something you THOUGHT was the Koran, but it really wasnt?
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:57:51 PM EST
O M G.

Read the passages I first posted. Then put it together with my latest passages. It makes one big terrorist supporting fanatical religious cult.

But then again, why dont you post your education. What you do for a dayjob. And then maybe we can all tell you to stfu and leave it to people who have a clue.

If the Koran didnt say all of these things, you would not have AL Quada and everyone fighting on behalf of Allah now would you? They would be fighting for their country not their religion.

Your so blind.

And your silently obfuscating people into beleiving in a murdering religion and terrorists.

Link Posted: 9/12/2004 2:59:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By Ritual:
SOMETHING YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. YOU CANT EVEN READ A 24 page document, in which most of the pages only have a few passages on them. And once you do read it, you cant ocmprehend it.

I would bet your an arab anyways.




I'm missing something here. Are you saying that the Koran is 24 pages long???


That's very strange, because my copy has over 400 pages.

Or are you talking about some other document. Maybe this is the source of our disagreement. Perhaps you read something you THOUGHT was the Koran, but it really wasnt?



It has 114 sections. So 114 pages in internet form.

You can read the KOran here Koran
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 3:01:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By Ritual:
O M G.

Read the passages I first posted. Then put it together with my latest passages. It makes one big terrorist supporting fanatical religious cult.



I not only read the passages you first quoted, but PROVED that they didn't say anything like you claimed they said.




But then again, why dont you post your education. What you do for a dayjob. And then maybe we can all tell you to stfu and leave it to people who have a clue.



Who is "we"? Do you have a mouse in your pocket?

It would seem that in THIS discussion, the people with a "clue" are the ones who have ACTUALLY read the Koran - and you do not appear to be one of them.



If the Koran didnt say all of these things, you would not have AL Quada and everyone fighting on behalf of Allah now would you? They would be fighting for their country not their religion.

Your so blind.



All religions have the potential to foster extremism, and Islam more than most.

The 9/11 attacks CLEARLY violated central tenets of the Koran, including the killing of innocent Muslims.




And your silently obfuscating people into beleiving in a murdering religion and terrorists.




What? Is that even English?
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 3:02:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2004 3:03:49 PM EST by DK-Prof]

Originally Posted By Ritual:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By Ritual:
SOMETHING YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. YOU CANT EVEN READ A 24 page document, in which most of the pages only have a few passages on them. And once you do read it, you cant ocmprehend it.

I would bet your an arab anyways.




I'm missing something here. Are you saying that the Koran is 24 pages long???


That's very strange, because my copy has over 400 pages.

Or are you talking about some other document. Maybe this is the source of our disagreement. Perhaps you read something you THOUGHT was the Koran, but it really wasnt?



It has 114 sections. So 114 pages in internet form.

You can read the KOran here Koran




So why did you say it had 24 pages? Sheesh, get your story straight, why don't you.

Again - unlike you - I've already read the Koran. And I don't need an on-line copy, because I have a copy at my house.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 3:07:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By Ritual:
O M G.

Read the passages I first posted. Then put it together with my latest passages. It makes one big terrorist supporting fanatical religious cult.



I not only read the passages you first quoted, but PROVED that they didn't say anything like you claimed they said.




But then again, why dont you post your education. What you do for a dayjob. And then maybe we can all tell you to stfu and leave it to people who have a clue.



Who is "we"? Do you have a mouse in your pocket?

It would seem that in THIS discussion, the people with a "clue" are the ones who have ACTUALLY read the Koran - and you do not appear to be one of them.



If the Koran didnt say all of these things, you would not have AL Quada and everyone fighting on behalf of Allah now would you? They would be fighting for their country not their religion.

Your so blind.



All religions have the potential to foster extremism, and Islam more than most.

The 9/11 attacks CLEARLY violated central tenets of the Koran, including the killing of innocent Muslims.




And your silently obfuscating people into beleiving in a murdering religion and terrorists.




What? Is that even English?



No you did not prove what I said was wrong in the first passages.

"We" being the smart people.

Wrong. The koran makes them as martyr's. The innocent Muslims that is.

Yes it is American English. Americans dont speak "english" we speak a dialect of it. BUt your right I should of said terrorism instead of terrorists.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 3:09:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By Ritual:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By Ritual:
SOMETHING YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. YOU CANT EVEN READ A 24 page document, in which most of the pages only have a few passages on them. And once you do read it, you cant ocmprehend it.

I would bet your an arab anyways.




I'm missing something here. Are you saying that the Koran is 24 pages long???


That's very strange, because my copy has over 400 pages.

Or are you talking about some other document. Maybe this is the source of our disagreement. Perhaps you read something you THOUGHT was the Koran, but it really wasnt?



It has 114 sections. So 114 pages in internet form.

You can read the KOran here Koran




So why did you say it had 24 pages? Sheesh, get your story straight, why don't you.

Again - unlike you - I've already read the Koran. And I don't need an on-line copy, because I have a copy at my house.



You obviosly havent read it. The 24 pages was sarcasm in being that the koran is not that long. It was an exaggeration. Comapre it to the christian holy bible which is over 500 pages. The koran is quite small comapred to most holy books.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 3:12:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2004 3:13:30 PM EST by DK-Prof]

Originally Posted By Ritual:
No you did not prove what I said was wrong in the first passages.

"We" being the smart people.

Wrong. The koran makes them as martyr's. The innocent Muslims that is.

Yes it is American English. Americans dont speak "english" we speak a dialect of it. BUt your right I should of said terrorism instead of terrorists.




Look - it's obvious that you don't know what the hell you are talking bout, and I don't have time to school you. I pointed out how your original quotes do not in any way refer to muslims being required to "kill all non-musllims" which was the original nonsense that you claimed. Nothing you've posted so far has provided ANY evidence that the Koran commands muslims to kill all non-muslims.

It's a waste of my time to argue with someone who has no argument, and just keeps making ridiculous and unsubstantiated claims.

If you HAD read the Koran, we could perhaps have a meaningful discussion about some of these passages, but your quotes make it obvious that you have NO IDEA of the context of the passages you are quoting from.



All that said, I really don't see any value in continuing this conversation with you. If you ever actually decide to inform yourself about the things your prattling about - then perhaps we can have a useful discussion.


plus - my chinese food just arrived, and that's really much more important than trying to educate the uneducated
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 3:13:43 PM EST
Man, this thread is seriously in need of some intelligence.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 3:15:11 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 3:16:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2004 3:30:21 PM EST by Ritual]
Owned.

Just ignore prof. He is proven incompetent.



Link Posted: 9/12/2004 4:09:23 PM EST

Originally Posted By ilikelegs:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By Ritual:


Read their Koran. The koran specifically says anyone who isnt of their faith is a traitor and must be made a martyr (killed). It also says that if you do not you are a traitor yourself.

...

I read the Koran



Since you're such an expert on the Koran, would you mind pointing that particular passage or verse out to me.

(Don't bother to post the usual cut-and-paste bullshit from other sites - those are tiresome, and I've yet to see one that actually quotes a verse saying that all non-muslims must categorically be killed.)

No, since YOU make such a big deal of YOUR expertise in the Koran, please cite the particular verses that says that ANYONE who is not a muslim MUST BE KILLED.




Hey DK, if you have another set of quotes...post them, or shut the fuck up!

Here's another cut and paste job for you. Like I said, if you have an alternative Koran, by all means post it.
And tell us how enlightened you are now that you are a student of Islam.






What the fuck are you talking about "if I have another set of quotes...poste them"???? I'm not claiming that the Koran SAYS something particular, I am pointing out what it DOES NOT say.

How the hell can I provide quotes from the Koran to prove what is NOT in there??? That's logically impossible.

Let me be clear again - THE KORAN DOES NOT COMMAND MUSLIMS TO KILL ALL NON-MUSLIMS

That is ALL I am saying !!!! Why do people have such a fucking hard time understanding that???

None of the things that you posted show that the Koran commands Muslims to kill all non-muslims.

Jesus Christ - I am making a very simple claim. I am saying that the Koran DOES NOT command muslims to kill all non-muslims.

I get called names - but NOBODY actually provides any quotes from the Koran that illustrate how muslims are commanded to kill all non-muslims.


Does anyone even fucking speak English any longer.

I am NOT saying there's anything GOOD about Islam. I am NOT saying Islam is NOT a threat. I am NOT saying that ISLAM isn't despicable in many things it represents.

I am saying that the Koran does NOT command muslims to kill all non-muslims.

Did ANY of your quotes show where the Koran commands that? No. So why did you post them?



We can AGREE all fucking day about all the things wrong with Islam. You and I - even even that halfwit, Ritual - probably agree on a lot of thing. But is is FACTUALLY INACCURATE to say that the Koran commands all muslims to kill all non-muslims.


It's fucking amazing to me that - after watching Feinstein and all the other assholes try to convince people to believe their viewpoint on the AWB by LYING TO PEOPLE about what the AWB really says - to see people who have no problem doing the exact same thing when it serves their purposes.

There's enough WRONG and despicable about the Koran without needing to LIE about what it says.

Sheesh - do ya'll really think that we HELP our fight against Islam by LYING to people???
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 4:12:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By Ritual:
Owned.

Just ignore prof. He is proven incompetent.









I'll argue with people like ilikelegs, whom I respect - but you've shown yourself to have no clue what you're talking about.

Only person here who got owned was you - and you did it all by yourself by demonstrating your ignorance to everyone.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 4:24:48 PM EST


HATE SPEECH ALERT


Link Posted: 9/12/2004 4:29:40 PM EST
i should probably stay out of this,but....as far as dkprof's claim about a command to kill all non-muslims,i have read nothing in this thread that compels me to believe he is wrong.i have never read the koran,so if its in there someone post it.otherwise you will continue to lose this debate.as far as i can tell,dkprof is right.just my 2 cents.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 4:30:56 PM EST
Prof, there are over a dozen passages quoted int his thread specifically stating to kill jews and christians and the rest deal with all the rest of the religions.

Nice try. Prof = Terrorist propagandist.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 4:37:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By Ritual:
Prof, there are over a dozen passages quoted int his thread specifically stating to kill jews and christians and the rest deal with all the rest of the religions.

Nice try. Prof = Terrorist propagandist respected Arfcom member with fucked up views.



Watch what you say. That crossed the line.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 4:38:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By Ritual:
They arent Muslims then.

Read their Koran. The koran specifically says anyone who isnt of their faith is a traitor and must be made a martyr (killed). It also says that if you do not you are a traitor yourself.

So they arent muslims if they say that they dont beleive in violence against non muslims. Thats not what Islam is about.

I read the Koran and whatnot after Sept. 11th.

This is propaganda. Also note the Koran says that you are supposed to gain the trust of them, and then perform an act of being a traitor against them.

They want to win over the American Public while they plan their next murder.

THis is fact. But take it how you want. But I would do a little background into their religion before you pass any positive judgement onto them. I did. And I totally support our war on terrorism.



You read Arabic?
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 4:39:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2004 4:40:48 PM EST by ms_international]

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
you guys did not read the links did you.



Read the first two links within your posted link, and the statements contradict each other to the view of a Westerner. The other link unfortunately are in Arabic - I don't read Arabic.
Link Posted: 9/12/2004 4:43:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/12/2004 4:48:42 PM EST by ms_international]

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By ilikelegs:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By Ritual:


Read their Koran. The koran specifically says anyone who isnt of their faith is a traitor and must be made a martyr (killed). It also says that if you do not you are a traitor yourself.

...

I read the Koran



Since you're such an expert on the Koran, would you mind pointing that particular passage or verse out to me.

(Don't bother to post the usual cut-and-paste bullshit from other sites - those are tiresome, and I've yet to see one that actually quotes a verse saying that all non-muslims must categorically be killed.)

No, since YOU make such a big deal of YOUR expertise in the Koran, please cite the particular verses that says that ANYONE who is not a muslim MUST BE KILLED.




Hey DK, if you have another set of quotes...post them, or shut the fuck up!

Here's another cut and paste job for you. Like I said, if you have an alternative Koran, by all means post it.
And tell us how enlightened you are now that you are a student of Islam.






What the fuck are you talking about "if I have another set of quotes...poste them"???? I'm not claiming that the Koran SAYS something particular, I am pointing out what it DOES NOT say.

How the hell can I provide quotes from the Koran to prove what is NOT in there??? That's logically impossible.

Let me be clear again - THE KORAN DOES NOT COMMAND MUSLIMS TO KILL ALL NON-MUSLIMS

That is ALL I am saying !!!! Why do people have such a fucking hard time understanding that???

None of the things that you posted show that the Koran commands Muslims to kill all non-muslims.

Jesus Christ - I am making a very simple claim. I am saying that the Koran DOES NOT command muslims to kill all non-muslims.

I get called names - but NOBODY actually provides any quotes from the Koran that illustrate how muslims are commanded to kill all non-muslims.


Does anyone even fucking speak English any longer.

I am NOT saying there's anything GOOD about Islam. I am NOT saying Islam is NOT a threat. I am NOT saying that ISLAM isn't despicable in many things it represents.

I am saying that the Koran does NOT command muslims to kill all non-muslims.

Did ANY of your quotes show where the Koran commands that? No. So why did you post them?



We can AGREE all fucking day about all the things wrong with Islam. You and I - even even that halfwit, Ritual - probably agree on a lot of thing. But is is FACTUALLY INACCURATE to say that the Koran commands all muslims to kill all non-muslims.


It's fucking amazing to me that - after watching Feinstein and all the other assholes try to convince people to believe their viewpoint on the AWB by LYING TO PEOPLE about what the AWB really says - to see people who have no problem doing the exact same thing when it serves their purposes.

There's enough WRONG and despicable about the Koran without needing to LIE about what it says.

Sheesh - do ya'll really think that we HELP our fight against Islam by LYING to people???



...but it is Human Nature...
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