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Posted: 4/13/2017 8:52:49 PM EDT
Digital is digital right?  Just ones and zeros. Wrong. It's an analog signal interpreted to be 1 and 0. It's not truly digital. There are rise and fall times and which edge triggers the transition.

I noticed that my outdoor TV which I take outside every night along with a small cable box picture didn't look like HDTV should. No artifacts but below stunning. Now this HDMI cable is abused. Bend radius?  Fuck that spec that nobody pays attention to except me in my real job building data centers. Put a scanner on fiber and twist it around you finger. It will fail.

Moral of the story is I abused a cable and now see artifacts when I move it. With modern codecs you won't notice it. Don't fuck with the physical layer. Fiber can fail unless you scan an certify it for 10/40/100 gig.  I can make it fail by wrapping around my finger.

I still don't like 10g over twisted pair unless fully scanned and certified.  Bandwidth of a cable and standards exist for a reason.
Link Posted: 4/13/2017 8:54:39 PM EDT
Gold ones











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Get it right guy.
@Kubota3430
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Fuck it. He brought it on himself.

@kubota3400.
Link Posted: 4/13/2017 8:58:56 PM EDT
They don't matter
Link Posted: 4/13/2017 9:00:20 PM EDT
#onlyloadedmagsmatter
Link Posted: 4/13/2017 9:01:19 PM EDT
So you damaged a cheap cable?
Link Posted: 4/13/2017 9:03:46 PM EDT
Well, we know that there is a hell of a difference between Cat 5 and Cat 6, and say... Twinax. Cables are not made equal, however, if it says it's certified for a particular version of HDMI... then use it. :)
Link Posted: 4/13/2017 9:12:01 PM EDT
First world problems . . . .







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Link Posted: 4/13/2017 9:14:23 PM EDT
I think some HDMI cables have ethernet.... so, it maybe possible for your smart TV to get access to the Internet through your dvd or dvr....

You may or may not want your smart tv to have access to the internet..... apparently Samsung can turn a microphone on and off remotely on some of their televisions.
Link Posted: 4/13/2017 9:15:30 PM EDT
@Kubota3430 Knows all about making hdmi work, ask him.
Link Posted: 4/13/2017 9:15:36 PM EDT
I love this kubota guy, he's brought me entertainment today lol
Link Posted: 4/13/2017 9:45:32 PM EDT
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Pretty much. But my point remains.
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But sitting behind a tv, undamaged, never touched like 99.87% of homes would you notice a difference with the cheaper cable?
Link Posted: 4/13/2017 9:48:40 PM EDT
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@Kubota3420

What say you?
Link Posted: 4/13/2017 9:52:20 PM EDT
@Kubota3430 #HDMICM
Link Posted: 4/13/2017 9:57:58 PM EDT
OP, is this a new strain of the humble brag thread. Where you tell us about some mundain problem & then preach about your job like an expert..

Or is that you, Capnrob?
Link Posted: 4/13/2017 9:58:52 PM EDT
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But sitting behind a tv, undamaged, never touched like 99.87% of homes would you notice a difference with the cheaper cable?
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Pretty much. But my point remains.
But sitting behind a tv, undamaged, never touched like 99.87% of homes would you notice a difference with the cheaper cable?
Don't fuck with the physical layer. Bend radius is a thing. This why all network pros tell you to not make your own patch cables.  My point is don't fall for digital is digital. It's not. Quality cables dont have to be expensive.
Link Posted: 4/13/2017 10:00:06 PM EDT
Cheap cables work fine.
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Not sure. Kinda drunky. But many a data center have been fucked by cabling and I get to clean that shit up.
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Until they don't.  And you're unlikely to know when they don't pass spec.

Shit. That port has a few errors out of 10 million packets. Test the cable. Fiber included
Link Posted: 4/13/2017 10:07:10 PM EDT
Outdoor TV,  Go be rich somewhere else.

















Link Posted: 4/13/2017 10:09:39 PM EDT
You take a tv outside with you at night? Every night?    Sorry, just sounds like a pain.  ? Really?     Still cant understand.
Link Posted: 4/13/2017 10:10:20 PM EDT
I watch TV outside quite a bit but it is on an iPad mini with no cables attached!  It seems fine. I don't know if it is possible to wrap a wifi signal around my finger but if I did, would that mess up my TV signal?
Link Posted: 4/13/2017 10:11:41 PM EDT
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Fuck it. He brought it on himself.

@kubota3400.
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Fuck it. He brought it on himself.

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Lol.  You guys don't even have the right screen name.
Link Posted: 4/13/2017 10:13:18 PM EDT
Gold ones are a scam.

If it has the official HDMI on it, it is good to go.
It is 1s and 0s. They are either their or not.

The cable itself can be damaged by excessive bends etc but that has nothing to do with the HDMI connectors.
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I'm poor. I have to drag the tv and cablebox outside every night. It's the movement/bending of that hdmi that lead to its failure.

That's why you don't crimp ends on category rated cables.
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350 bucks at Costco.
Link Posted: 4/13/2017 10:18:10 PM EDT
Comparing fiber to regular wire.

What the fuck did i just read.
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Fuck it. He brought it on himself.

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I missed out on why this is all of a sudden a big thing to do but now I'm waiting on a thread something like the 24/365 threads where the title will be...in this thread we @kubota3400 24/365 and every post in it has that as the reply!
Link Posted: 4/13/2017 10:18:55 PM EDT
get the $500 monster cable
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Cheap cables work fine.
Until they don't.  And you're unlikely to know when they don't pass spec.

Shit. That port has a few errors out of 10 million packets. Test the cable. Fiber included
Why do you keep blathering nonsense about fiber?  HDMI is not fiber.
Link Posted: 4/13/2017 10:21:49 PM EDT
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This.

I had a shit head at AudioQuest tell me they're mega expensive cables provided noticeable improvements to picture quality and color. He was full of shit and had no idea how digital even worked. Yes shitty cables can result in dropped packets but again it needs to be a shitty out of spec cable. Long runs are also adversely affected by poor quality cables.
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Don't fuck with the physical layer. Bend radius is a thing. This why all network pros tell you to not make your own patch cables.  My point is don't fall for digital is digital. It's not. Quality cables dont have to be expensive.
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LULZ, wat?
Link Posted: 4/13/2017 10:23:46 PM EDT
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I missed out on why this is all of a sudden a big thing to do but now I'm waiting on a thread something like the 24/365 threads where the title will be...in this thread we @kubota3400 24/365 and every post in it has that as the reply!
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You have the wrong guy...

You need to look @Kubota3430
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Somebody that builds datacenters. Fiber has bandwidth ratings if you didn't know.  Try using 62.5 micron fiber for gig. Good luck.
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Don't fuck with the physical layer. Bend radius is a thing. This why all network pros tell you to not make your own patch cables.  My point is don't fall for digital is digital. It's not. Quality cables dont have to be expensive.
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I'd tell you not to make your own patch cables because basically nobody has stranded UTP around their house.
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I'm poor. I have to drag the tv and cablebox outside every night. It's the movement/bending of that hdmi that lead to its failure.

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You have no idea what you are talking about.
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Comparing fiber to regular wire.

What the fuck did i just read.
Somebody that builds datacenters. Fiber has bandwidth ratings if you didn't know.  Try using 62.5 micron fiber for gig. Good luck.
I've done it plenty.  As long as you are within the distance limitations it's no big deal.
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Somebody that builds datacenters. Fiber has bandwidth ratings if you didn't know.  Try using 62.5 micron fiber for gig. Good luck.
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GASP!!  No shit? 
Link Posted: 4/13/2017 10:26:34 PM EDT
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Why do you keep blathering nonsense about fiber?  HDMI is not fiber.
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Cheap cables work fine.
Until they don't.  And you're unlikely to know when they don't pass spec.

Shit. That port has a few errors out of 10 million packets. Test the cable. Fiber included
Why do you keep blathering nonsense about fiber?  HDMI is not fiber.
I'm blathering because digital is not an intantanous state change.
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Shhhhh, they are exactly the same
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Aye, it makes no difference what so ever, I have built a few call centers in my day including patching the NOC.  You create your own cables so the length is correct and you don't go looping up lengths of cable.  Can't crimp your own Ethernet...lol.
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Cheap cables work fine.
Until they don't.  And you're unlikely to know when they don't pass spec.

Shit. That port has a few errors out of 10 million packets. Test the cable. Fiber included
Why do you keep blathering nonsense about fiber?  HDMI is not fiber.
I'm blathering because digital is not an intantanous state change.
Of course not.  But then again, as long as enough signal is getting to the receiver to be identified as a 1 state then the quality beyond that doesn't matter.  In your case it wasn't so you were dropping bits.  But that doesn't mean your need is a $2,000 ozone free solid gold Monster cable.
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Edit: ya know what, do your thing.
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I'd tell you not to make your own patch cables because basically nobody has stranded UTP around their house.
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Don't fuck with the physical layer. Bend radius is a thing. This why all network pros tell you to not make your own patch cables.  My point is don't fall for digital is digital. It's not. Quality cables dont have to be expensive.
I'd tell you not to make your own patch cables because basically nobody has stranded UTP around their house.
You win the thread about somebody who knows what they're doing.
Link Posted: 4/13/2017 10:31:16 PM EDT
Blah blah blah, it works fine 99.99% of the time, if it doesn't replace the cable.
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Yeah...no he doesn't, mine is ran.  You can request it with any new build or just fish them yourself.
Link Posted: 4/13/2017 10:34:23 PM EDT
Wire is wire. every TV station or cable network you watch, and every radio station you listen to, were all built with the cheapest wire available.
Link Posted: 4/13/2017 10:34:49 PM EDT
Only problem I ever had with a cheap HDMI cable was one of the ends falling off...
Link Posted: 4/13/2017 10:36:34 PM EDT
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Naw, HDMI is a standard not a cable. Those gold cables are the biggest scam going. I buy the cheapest ones I can, that'll be the day I buy the $50 HDMI cables at Best Buy. Total scam.
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