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Posted: 2/12/2016 10:58:42 AM EDT
Foreigners are flooding into Silicon Valley, taking those $100K+ jobs that Americans don't want, right?  



Among the working population, 45 percent are foreign born, but in the
tech, computer and STEM industries, that number rises to 75 percent...

http://www.paloaltoonline.com/news/2016/02/10/silicon-valleys-year-amazing-but-with-perils

Link Posted: 2/12/2016 11:06:52 AM EDT
Not to worry. I'm sure the people they replaced trained them well.
Link Posted: 2/12/2016 11:10:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/12/2016 11:22:55 AM EDT by shagrat]
More like jobs Americans are too stupid or have too many "needs" to do.   My last hire is Hungarian born, the one before him Russian.   They are both naturalized citizens coming here after college.  End result I have two awesome guys without the bolt-on bullshit.
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More like jobs Americans are too stupid or have too man "needs" to do.   My last hire is Hungarian born, the one before him Russian.   They are both naturalized citizens coming here after college.  End result I have two awesome guys without the bolt-on bullshit.
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Originally Posted By shagrat:
More like jobs Americans are too stupid or have too man "needs" to do.   My last hire is Hungarian born, the one before him Russian.   They are both naturalized citizens coming here after college.  End result I have two awesome guys without the bolt-on bullshit.
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Wow, just wow
Link Posted: 2/12/2016 11:24:19 AM EDT
The lie is that there's a shortage of labor.

The truth is that there's a shortage of labor at the price companies want to pay.
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Originally Posted By FlyingIllini:


Wow, just wow
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Originally Posted By FlyingIllini:
Originally Posted By shagrat:
More like jobs Americans are too stupid or have too man "needs" to do.   My last hire is Hungarian born, the one before him Russian.   They are both naturalized citizens coming here after college.  End result I have two awesome guys without the bolt-on bullshit.


Wow, just wow


Right...responses like this from a site that spends how many threads bitching about hipsters, college kids attitudes, and entitlement.  Try hiring the fuckers.
Wow, just wow back at ya.
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Originally Posted By shagrat:
More like jobs Americans are too stupid or have too many "needs" to do.   My last hire is Hungarian born, the one before him Russian.   They are both naturalized citizens coming here after college.  End result I have two awesome guys without the bolt-on bullshit.
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Heh yeah. You can tell those fuckers to go buy their own health care,  what are they gonna do?  Quit?
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Are the chicks hot?
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Wow, just wow
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Originally Posted By FlyingIllini:
Originally Posted By shagrat:
More like jobs Americans are too stupid or have too man "needs" to do.   My last hire is Hungarian born, the one before him Russian.   They are both naturalized citizens coming here after college.  End result I have two awesome guys without the bolt-on bullshit.


Wow, just wow


Wow all you want.  He's right and like he said, try hiring these days and see what kind of resumes hit your desk for tech positions.  



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The lie is that there's a shortage of labor.

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The declining labor force participation rate suggests you are incorrect.  

Go try and hire and leave pay wide open and see what you get.  You'll get a good lesson in who is actually out there looking right now at any pay level.
Link Posted: 2/12/2016 12:17:51 PM EDT
My employer sure loves them and pays them less than US born employees in the same role.
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[Last Edit: 2/12/2016 12:35:36 PM EDT by TxRabbitBane]
Go to a computer science or electrical engineering class at a major university. Look at the demographics.

That will answer your questions.

From a business standpoint, margins are low and competition is fierce. Billion dollar companies battle tooth and nail for pennies/unit. You save where you can, and if a dude from India, or Taiwan, or Bangladesh is able to do the job cheaper, then you win. That's capitalism.  

Conclusion: fewer Americans want to suffer through the coursework, and when they do they want above market value for their work. Most seem to think they're all brilliant "idea men", and few seem capable of grinding it out on their leather asses. Foreign engineers do not suffer from this problem as much.

The cellphone in your pocket and the computer on your desk are as affordable as they are because of the economics above.
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Deport , hire Americans and make America great again.    Trump 2016
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Originally Posted By governmentman:
My employer sure loves them and pays them less than US born employees in the same role.
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Sounds like your employer finds capable people with poor salary negotiation skills.
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Among the working population, 45 percent are foreign born
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depressing stat if  true
Link Posted: 2/12/2016 12:34:45 PM EDT
Foreign born doesn't mean they are not Americans.
My brother and his wife work out there in Silicon Valley since getting out of university.
My brother and his wife are both Asians but they are both American citizens and have been for past 30+ years.
They both work for a software company and most of their co-workers are foreign born Americans.  Many were Asians years ago but now there are a lot of Eastern Europeans too.
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Thats why H1b visa holders are hired. Its all about the salaries , they are even willing to accept lower quality if they are getting a bargain.

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Originally Posted By KC45:
Foreign born doesn't mean they are not Americans.
My brother and his wife work out there in Silicon Valley since getting out of university.
My brother and his wife are both Asians but they are both American citizens and have been for past 30+ years.
They both work for a software company and most of their co-workers are foreign born Americans.  Many were Asians years ago but now there are a lot of Eastern Europeans too.
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You are aware of what an H1b is??   They are not issued to citizens
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yup
Link Posted: 2/12/2016 12:41:16 PM EDT
Looks like a huge security risk too.
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You are aware of what an H1b is??   They are not issued to citizens
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Originally Posted By KC45:
Foreign born doesn't mean they are not Americans.
My brother and his wife work out there in Silicon Valley since getting out of university.
My brother and his wife are both Asians but they are both American citizens and have been for past 30+ years.
They both work for a software company and most of their co-workers are foreign born Americans.  Many were Asians years ago but now there are a lot of Eastern Europeans too.


You are aware of what an H1b is??   They are not issued to citizens


Yes I know what H1B is.
I always hear about how foreign workers are brought into Silicon Valley on H1B visa but where my brother works out of 30+ software engineers none are there with H1B visa.  Where my SIL works there are 16 software engineers and none are with H1B visa.  Many (majority) of their co-workers are foreign born but they are all American citizens...just like them.



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Thats why H1b visa holders are hired. Its all about the salaries , they are even willing to accept lower quality if they are getting a bargain.

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Originally Posted By Sharpshooter:
Originally Posted By governmentman:
My employer sure loves them and pays them less than US born employees in the same role.


Thats why H1b visa holders are hired. Its all about the salaries , they are even willing to accept lower quality if they are getting a bargain.



If the cost of inferior work is offset by the lower salaries, they are all over it.

On one hand I am a raw capitalist and I understand having to stay competitive in a market with tons of foreign influence (IE can be done cheaper in China).
On the other hand they took what would have been the go to career path for the American middle class as we evolved from manufacturing to technology and utterly gutted it.

As usual, I blame our government for being for sale, allowing lobbyists to influence politicians into allowing an open door of imported workers.



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It actually is , but what the hell when a corporation saves millions a year hiring foreigners. Better in some ways than outsourcng to an OCONUS contractor I guess.
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That right there is a falsehood. These people coming in as H1Bs are paid VERY WELL. Most over $100K. So, for people to say that they take jobs that Americans are unwilling to do, that is UTTER BULLSHIT. I deal with a lot of these people on a daily basis. Their visa screens sometimes only say, "Has a decent grasp of the English language."

These companies pay very well. Lowest paid H1B was $80K+benefits. Highest was $160K+benefits. Trade NAFTA visas are also a scam. We're losing our ability to create jobs and keep them for Americans.
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Foreign born Network/Security Engineer here but not on H1B
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Meh most Americans want to major in easy useless shit instead of hard science.
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How altruistic of those billionaire tech CEOs to cut costs by lobbying to import cheaper employees welcome those vibrant additions from the third world.
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And they all run the Customer Service hotlines . . . amirite ? ? ?



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Meh most Americans want to major in easy useless shit instead of hard science.
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Lobbyist propaganda. Just as ridiculous as "Crops literally rotting in the fields!!!"
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Originally Posted By woodsie:


Wow all you want.  He's right and like he said, try hiring these days and see what kind of resumes hit your desk for tech positions.  



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Originally Posted By FlyingIllini:
Originally Posted By shagrat:
More like jobs Americans are too stupid or have too man "needs" to do.   My last hire is Hungarian born, the one before him Russian.   They are both naturalized citizens coming here after college.  End result I have two awesome guys without the bolt-on bullshit.


Wow, just wow


Wow all you want.  He's right and like he said, try hiring these days and see what kind of resumes hit your desk for tech positions.  





I am generally curious; what are the issues with hiring tech positions today?
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Originally Posted By dropdbombnow:


And they all run the Customer Service hotlines . . . amirite ? ? ?



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If its Dell they do unless you are willing to pay for complete care .  Complete care = American workers.  The rest of th time you get = Hello my name is Steve how may I be assisting you with your computing device?
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Originally Posted By dan45678:


Lobbyist propaganda. Just as ridiculous as "Crops literally rotting in the fields!!!"
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Originally Posted By tango1978:
Meh most Americans want to major in easy useless shit instead of hard science.


Lobbyist propaganda. Just as ridiculous as "Crops literally rotting in the fields!!!"


Yeah I teach college as a side job and see it first hand. What about you?

OH yeah STEM here
Link Posted: 2/12/2016 1:02:38 PM EDT
Foreigners are taking over all the IT jobs in CT. Living in good towns buying expensive 400k+ houses.  They are getting paid very well. Id say 3 out of ten people in my town is Indian (dot not feather) and make bank.
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I will say this about stem and all that jazz. When I worked at CSC , one of the best developers we had on the contract did not have a STEM degree . If I recall correctly he had a Masters in Music, and my old project manager had a BS in history. Both were very knowledgeable about IT . So I do not even believe that STEM is required to be successful in IS/IT.
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That right there is a falsehood. These people coming in as H1Bs are paid VERY WELL. Most over $100K.
So, for people to say that they take jobs that Americans are unwilling to do, that is UTTER BULLSHIT. I deal with a lot of these people on a daily basis. Their visa screens sometimes only say, "Has a decent grasp of the English language."



These companies pay very well. Lowest paid H1B was $80K+benefits. Highest was $160K+benefits. Trade NAFTA visas are also a scam. We're losing our ability to create jobs and keep them for Americans.
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Originally Posted By pdb27127:

The lie is that there's a shortage of labor.



The truth is that there's a shortage of labor at the price companies want to pay.




That right there is a falsehood. These people coming in as H1Bs are paid VERY WELL. Most over $100K.
So, for people to say that they take jobs that Americans are unwilling to do, that is UTTER BULLSHIT. I deal with a lot of these people on a daily basis. Their visa screens sometimes only say, "Has a decent grasp of the English language."



These companies pay very well. Lowest paid H1B was $80K+benefits. Highest was $160K+benefits. Trade NAFTA visas are also a scam. We're losing our ability to create jobs and keep them for Americans.


Wrong.



Largest category is Computer Systems Analysts, making $78K.  

http://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2016-H1B-Visa-Category.aspx?T=OC



 
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same here..
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Originally Posted By tango1978:


Yeah I teach college as a side job and see it first hand. What about you?

OH yeah STEM here
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Originally Posted By dan45678:
Originally Posted By tango1978:
Meh most Americans want to major in easy useless shit instead of hard science.


Lobbyist propaganda. Just as ridiculous as "Crops literally rotting in the fields!!!"


Yeah I teach college as a side job and see it first hand. What about you?

OH yeah STEM here


Good to know lol.
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You realize a lot of those "Foreign Born" are American Citizens right?





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Every day, the media gives us a new reason to vote for Trump.

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You realize a lot of those "Foreign Born" are American Citizens right?



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Citizens? Sure.

Americans? Debatable.
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Citizens? Sure.

Americans? Debatable.
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Originally Posted By SuperSixOne:
You realize a lot of those "Foreign Born" are American Citizens right?





Citizens? Sure.

Americans? Debatable.


yeah fuck the irish! - 1920
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same here..
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Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
Originally Posted By governmentman:
My employer sure loves them and pays them less than US born employees in the same role.


same here..


Using a significantly corrupt government system of preferences and quotas to offset or undercut current labor market conditions - and all of it subsidized by the American taxpayer? That's the exact definition of good capitalism.

Ask the democrats here.
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same here..
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Originally Posted By governmentman:
My employer sure loves them and pays them less than US born employees in the same role.


same here..


Most of my employers have as well. When I worked at CSC a manager I  knew basically said that was the only value added.
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Shouldn't be.
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yeah fuck the irish! - 1920
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Originally Posted By Fingerpicker:


Originally Posted By SuperSixOne:

You realize a lot of those "Foreign Born" are American Citizens right?











Citizens? Sure.



Americans? Debatable.




yeah fuck the irish! - 1920
and the polish! -1930

 



There is some facepalm level of stupid floating around arfcom these days.
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yeah fuck the irish! - 1920
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Originally Posted By Fingerpicker:
Originally Posted By SuperSixOne:
You realize a lot of those "Foreign Born" are American Citizens right?





Citizens? Sure.

Americans? Debatable.


yeah fuck the irish! - 1920


Not the same thing as italians and Irish / Ellis Island .  You cant make an apples to appls comparasion .  Immigrants in the late 19th and early 20th century wanted to be Americans. Modern versions not so much.
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You guys really have no idea what it takes to work in tech.
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Shouldn't be.
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Originally Posted By SuperSixOne:

You realize a lot of those "Foreign Born" are American Citizens right?









Shouldn't be.
Why is that?

 



Surely you understand that the majority of EU countries do not allow dual citizenship? Meaning they had to give up their citizenship of birth to become an American?




Quite the leap of faith for people like you to say "Fuck'em"
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Not the same thing as italians and Irish / Ellis Island .  You cant make an apples to appls comparasion .  Immigrants in the late 19th and early 20th century wanted to be Americans. Modern versions not so much.

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Originally Posted By Sharpshooter:



Originally Posted By vaguy:


Originally Posted By Fingerpicker:


Originally Posted By SuperSixOne:

You realize a lot of those "Foreign Born" are American Citizens right?











Citizens? Sure.



Americans? Debatable.




yeah fuck the irish! - 1920




Not the same thing as italians and Irish / Ellis Island .  You cant make an apples to appls comparasion .  Immigrants in the late 19th and early 20th century wanted to be Americans. Modern versions not so much.

What do they want to be?

 



They can't keep their old citizenship.
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