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Posted: 1/4/2007 6:02:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2007 6:02:12 AM EDT by Fat_McNasty]
Which is easier to learn?

Rotary or fixed wing? We are talking about a total noob who knows nothing about flying.. But thinking of taking classes.
Link Posted: 1/4/2007 6:05:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
Which is easier to learn?

Rotary or fixed wing? We are talking about a total noob who knows nothing about flying.. But thinking of taking classes.


I don't fly (well, I did get like 5 minutes of stick time on a Cessna, once), but from what I know fixed wing is much easier.
Link Posted: 1/4/2007 6:06:13 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/4/2007 6:07:04 AM EDT
Which is easier to learn to drive: a car or a motorcycle? I know several ex-military helicopter pilots who never flew a fixed-wing aircraft until they got out of the military.
Link Posted: 1/4/2007 6:08:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DzlBenz:
Which is easier to learn to drive: a car or a motorcycle? I know several ex-military helicopter pilots who never flew a fixed-wing aircraft until they got out of the military.


the answer is car.. you cannot drive a motorcycle you ride it..
Link Posted: 1/4/2007 6:09:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2007 6:10:27 AM EDT by Rocklock]
Fixed wing

I'm single engine land rated . W/O too many hrs , I'm sure some some high time military jocks could be more helpful .

A trimed out plane should fly with little input from the pilot .

I'm not sure you can ever really relax in rotory wing stuff .
Link Posted: 1/4/2007 6:10:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:

Originally Posted By DzlBenz:
Which is easier to learn to drive: a car or a motorcycle? I know several ex-military helicopter pilots who never flew a fixed-wing aircraft until they got out of the military.


the answer is car.. you cannot drive a motorcycle you ride it..
You don't fly a helicopter, either. You use it to mechanically beat the air into submission!
Link Posted: 1/4/2007 6:10:29 AM EDT
Fixed wing is easier and a f-ton cheaper.
Link Posted: 1/4/2007 6:11:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DzlBenz:

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:

Originally Posted By DzlBenz:
Which is easier to learn to drive: a car or a motorcycle? I know several ex-military helicopter pilots who never flew a fixed-wing aircraft until they got out of the military.


the answer is car.. you cannot drive a motorcycle you ride it..
You don't fly a helicopter, either. You use it to mechanically beat the air into submission!


Link Posted: 1/4/2007 6:12:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Rocklock:
I'm not sure you can ever really relax in rotory wing stuff .


I don't think you can, either.  Constant concentration required to balance on your rotors and maintain proper rotor speed with the collective.
Link Posted: 1/4/2007 6:13:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2007 6:18:55 AM EDT by Dave_A]

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
Which is easier to learn?

Rotary or fixed wing? We are talking about a total noob who knows nothing about flying.. But thinking of taking classes.


Fixed wing...

Definitely!!!!

In fact, the best way to learn rotary wing is to go FIXED FIRST, and then transition

Due to the cost of helicopter time (helicopters being horrendously fuel inefficient and complex to maintain), the price is about the same, as you only need 20hrs of (EXPENSIVE) helicopter time instead of 40...

Those 20 hours of helicopter time you 'save' are expensive enough to pay for your fixed wing training.

And an ASS-LOAD of the stuff you need to learn is the same between both 'Airplane, Single Engine, Land' and 'Helicopter'

Weather, navigation, commo, airspace (eg 'How not to get a bunch of pissed off fighter pilots (hey, that F-16 driver had to throw away a royal flush because your dumb ass  decided to buzz the White House ) for flying buddies'), and so on...
Link Posted: 1/4/2007 6:29:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
Which is easier to learn?


Fixed wing
Link Posted: 1/4/2007 6:50:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2007 7:02:29 AM EDT by Aerospace_Engineer]

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
Which is easier to learn?

Rotary or fixed wing? We are talking about a total noob who knows nothing about flying.. But thinking of taking classes.

Traditionally, a fixed wing is "easier" to learn to fly. Fixed-wing trainers, such as the Cessna 172 fly straight and level hands-and-feet-off with very minimal trim or adjustments to the controls. Generally speaking, helicopters tend to require more constant manipulation of all four limbs---much more so than a fixed wing at least.

If you are a motorcycle rider, the twist throttle on helicopters almost always are opposite of the the twist on motorcycles, so bikers tend to have difficulty adjusting to that... This adds to the "difficulty" of learning to fly a helicopter versus a fixed wing for bikers.

Also, it's generally considered "easier" for a helicopter-only pilot to jump into a fixed-wing and fly it than it is for a fixed-wing-only pilot to jump into a helicopter and fly it...

The average Joe-off-the-street can more-easily comprehend the control and aerodynamics of a fixed-wing aircraft than the control and aerodynmaics of a helicopter.

A one-armed person could fly a fixed wing aircraft with virtually no difficulty---not the case for a helicopter...!

Hope this helps!
Link Posted: 1/4/2007 6:55:32 AM EDT



Fixed wing, definitely...


That helicopter stuff is just pure voodoo... No way those things should be able to fly!


That being said, if I had the $$ I'd get an add on.  For now, I'll keep my soon to be T-Rex.. it's (somewhat?!) cheaper than the full sized thing...  

I would also say, even after you get a helicopter rating, renting one would be near impossible due to insurance requirements and the actual cost of the helicopter.  Even an R22 is hundreds of bucks an hour, IIRC
Link Posted: 1/4/2007 7:00:03 AM EDT
Flying a helicopter is like balancing on a beach ball, patting your head with one hand while rubbing your belly with the other.

It is far easier to TEACH a complete noob to fly in a helicopter than to transition from a fixed to rotary winged aircraft.

But that is for the military.  In civie world where hours of experience are from your pocket, building a base of hours in a C150/PA38 cannot be beat.  
Link Posted: 1/4/2007 7:23:35 AM EDT

sure some some high time military jocks could be more helpful


What is a high time military jock, like 1500 hours and a fresh ATP?

I keed! I keed!
Link Posted: 1/4/2007 7:26:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TUMOR:

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
Which is easier to learn?


Fixed wing
Link Posted: 1/4/2007 10:09:50 AM EDT
Which is the safer helo; a Huey/Bell 412 or one of the Hughes(?) helos, don't know the model name/number; it's the military Little Bird or Loach model?
Link Posted: 1/4/2007 10:17:45 AM EDT
From my experience, I would say Helos are easier to fly.

They don't go very far, so you get to spend most of your nights at home, instead of some flea bitten hotel in parts of Alabama that you didn't know existed.
They don't carry much gas, so you won't have to try to figure out how to get all of that water you drank, back into the bottle in flight.
They can't make it across the oceans, so you don't have to worry about trying to understand some English-challenged controller in Bangkok.
If your dispatcher failed to put an alternate airport on your release...and the gas to go with it, and your airport weathers in while in flight...in a helicopter, you just land.  In an airplane, this is good cause for a panic attack.

And one last reason....Helos don't carry flight attendants!

- Anarki
Link Posted: 1/4/2007 10:21:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By blueheeler66:
Which is the safer helo; a Huey/Bell 412 or one of the Hughes(?) helos, don't know the model name/number; it's the military Little Bird or Loach model?


This is talking completely out of my ass, but I'd put my money on the twin engine 412 over the single engine OH-6
Link Posted: 1/4/2007 10:53:43 AM EDT
fixed wing. Im a student at UND, one of the best flight schools in the US, and they make you take fixed before you can go into helicopters
Link Posted: 1/4/2007 10:56:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/4/2007 10:56:23 AM EDT by Primos]

Originally Posted By Bandit117:
fixed wing. Im a student at UND, one of the best flight schools in the US, and they make you take fixed before you can go into helicopters


I didn't know UND did rotary wing training as well.  Interesting.

Link Posted: 1/4/2007 10:57:10 AM EDT
FM, don't get $80k in debt to do helo training.  
Link Posted: 1/4/2007 11:10:13 AM EDT
Maybe I'm not qualified to answer because I have never flown a helichopter.

However, the basics of learning to fly a fixed wing aircraft are quite easy.

Pull back on the stick, you go up. Pull back on the stick some more, you go down.

Seriously, the difficulty comes in with higher performance stuff and flying in extreme weather conditions.
(ie. F-16, carrier deck, nightime thunderstorm. Unless you're REALLY good, you got problems).

The most amount of sweat I ever generated while flying was due more from navigating into controlled airspace and communicating on the radio than the physical act of flying the airplane. (don't forget the #1 rule, though: FLY THE AIRPLANE).

I have been told that learning to fly a helicopter is significantly more difficult.
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