
Posted: 5/16/2002 3:13:04 PM EST
Apparently, the ATF has created a secret group of teams who go around to rifle ranges, etc, looking for people who are inserting pre-ban mags into post-ban weapons, in order to bust 'em, and confiscate weapons & mags. Uh huh.
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The chance of it being true is inversely proportional to the girth of his gut. [whacko]
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That's just [whacko]
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"Vegetables aren't food. They're what food eats." - Red Forman
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Did this fountain of information also happen to have a large number of 10 rounders he was trying to sell?
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Trusting your life to the benevolence of an armed criminal is not a strategy, it is stupid!
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And this would be because of what????
Where I live it is perfactly legal to put a preban magazine in a post ban weapon.
What country do you live in?
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I guess I must've missed the section of the USC where it states that using pre-ban mags in a post-ban rifle is illegal.
Stupid me. [rolleyes]
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Silly me, I will have to throw them all out!
[sleep]
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At the time, I was looking at Shorty AK, and I told the guy behind the counter "You know this guy's full of sh*t, right?" I gather that this guy comes in from time to time to educate those of us who know nothing about guns.[rolleyes]
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Zardoz, I think I know the shop you're talking about. The owner showed me a brochure from the NRA stating that putting a pre-ban magazine into a post-ban weapon was a felony. Thank you the NRA for spreading false information.z
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"In Texas , even the vegetables are made of meat" -- Lyle McDonald
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This was at Fast Cash Pawnshop on 221, about a mile or so down from I-85. I would think the owner would throw away trash like those brochures. I would also think that the NRA would at least make an attempt to know what they're talking about before they publish BS like that.
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The ONLY time inserting a preban mag into a post ban gun may be illegal is when you insert a preban foreign made mag into a post ban gun made with foreign parts, where the mag counts as one of the seven US parts. If you replace the mag follower and floorplate with a US made one, then you are okay, and do not have an illegal weapon. This situation arises with some of the post ban AK variants you see floating around. This is what our so called "expert" may be refering to.
Once, I went to a south Florida pawn shop looking for guns and cheap mags, I believe it was affiliated with Gator Guns and Archery. Anyhow, I was looking to buy an AK mag for my MAK 90. I ask the guy behind the counter if he has any in stock. He goes to the back room and pulls out a 30rd chinese mag. I look at the price sticker, and ask him if he is joking. 60 BUCKS! I politely told him I didnt want it. What gets me is, some idiot probably paid 60 bucks for that mag! I ordered some out of the Shotgun News the same day for 8 bucks each!
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[puke]
And Elvis is still alive..... right....
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Originally Posted By zoom:
Zardoz, I think I know the shop you're talking about. The owner showed me a brochure from the NRA stating that putting a pre-ban magazine into a post-ban weapon was a felony. Thank you the NRA for spreading false information.z
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For all you guys who have post ban rifles and pre ban mags, send them to me so you don't get into trouble. Just be on the safe side and send them on over.
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OK so there I am at the range with my Rifle and several loaded magazines around me and my pistol on my hip. Now an ATF agent comes up, starts a conversation and wants to arrest me for preban mags in a postban. If there are any ATF agents with balls that big and brains that small some good old darwinian natural selection really needs to take place.
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well if u get caught with ,shit the govt.says u aint supposed to have ,use the same defense they use when they get caught with shit they aint supposed to have,tell them u believe in the second ,and its supported ,by the fifth. everyone hates the 1st. and 2nd. but they all love the 5th.
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yeah its better to have 4 $800.00 guns with 10 rd. mags than a $200.00 dollar gun with 2 20 round mags. u know like hit me with a hammer and that will make me smarter.
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Oh-Oh [peep]
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Yeah sure... then how do manufacturers get away with giving a preban magazine with their postban guns? example: Para Ordincance, Smith & Wesson on their Sigmas, etc.
This is a BS story.
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Zardoz, I thought you meant the guy working in the shop was saying that. It wasn't clear from your first post that it was a customer. I have heard that same comment from the owner of a local shop.
Fast Cash: Nice selection of rifles. I stop by there every couple of months. I like being able to look at the rifles closely, which you just can't do when they're behind a counter or behind glass. I bought a Kel-Tec P-32 from them just over a year ago, and they wouldn't mail it back to Kel-Tec for me. They could send it USPS, but instead, I had to pay about $35 to send it overnight UPS. I paid $30 extra to buy it from there rather than from Dunbar's, so I'm not happy about that. I even offered the guy $15 extra for mailing it, so I wouldn't have to deal with finding a UPS customer with daily pickup to send it, and he still said no. Before that, I had taken five customers to their shop that bought from them. Since then, I take my friends and family to gun shows since there isn't a good local shop to recommend.
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Originally Posted By Energizer:
Yeah sure... then how do manufacturers get away with giving a preban magazine with their postban guns? example: Para Ordincance, Smith & Wesson on their Sigmas, etc. View Quote |
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IIRC, the law says a NIB firearm cannot be sold with a hi-cap View Quote |
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"In Texas , even the vegetables are made of meat" -- Lyle McDonald
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Originally Posted By BobCole:
Originally Posted By Energizer:
Yeah sure... then how do manufacturers get away with giving a preban magazine with their postban guns? example: Para Ordincance, Smith & Wesson on their Sigmas, etc. View Quote View Quote |
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I AM that secret ATF agent, and if you install a +2 on that post ban Glock magazine or slap a Hungarian 30 round AKM mag in a Romak thumbhole sporter... I WILL get you!
You've been warned.
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Hey guys, the law only pertains to imported postban weapons that do not contain the "correct" number of US made parts, *I think* you legally cannot insert a pre-ban high capacity magazine into them (unless they have a butthole stock?)
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Originally Posted By SNorman:
Hey guys, the law only pertains to imported postban weapons that do not contain the "correct" number of US made parts, *I think* you legally cannot insert a pre-ban high capacity magazine into them (unless they have a butthole stock?) View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Energizer:
This makes sense, and I agree that you may be correct, but the topic did not specify imported weapons.
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Originally Posted By Kaliburz:
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And Elvis is still alive..... right.... View Quote |
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I have recieved a lot of bad information here in South Carolina
1) Can't use pre ban mags in post ban guns.
2) FFLs have to track the sale of high-cap mags
3) If I buy high-cap mags off the internet the ATF will come to my house late at night
Try Carolina Gun and Reel on Hwy 17. Their prices are a bit high but they seem to know what they are doing.
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"The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." -Margaret Thatcher
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If that were true then the magazines would simply be parts for a pre-ban gun and would still be produced.
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Try Carolina Gun and Reel View Quote |
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"In Texas , even the vegetables are made of meat" -- Lyle McDonald
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No such "tactical insertion team" exists. He is lying, "Operation Mag Scam" is just a Urban Legend.
Pay no attention to the short haired man at the end of the line with his spotting scope trained on your shooting bench.
We don't exist, you never heard of us, go back to sleep, it was a dream.
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Originally Posted By ARgon:
Silly me, I will have to throw them all out!
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Originally Posted By pv74:
The ONLY time inserting a preban mag into a post ban gun may be illegal is when you insert a preban foreign made mag into a post ban gun made with foreign parts, where the mag counts as one of the seven US parts. If you replace the mag follower and floorplate with a US made one, then you are okay, and do not have an illegal weapon. This situation arises with some of the post ban AK variants you see floating around. This is what our so called "expert" may be refering to.
Once, I went to a south Florida pawn shop looking for guns and cheap mags, I believe it was affiliated with Gator Guns and Archery. Anyhow, I was looking to buy an AK mag for my MAK 90. I ask the guy behind the counter if he has any in stock. He goes to the back room and pulls out a 30rd chinese mag. I look at the price sticker, and ask him if he is joking. 60 BUCKS! I politely told him I didnt want it. What gets me is, some idiot probably paid 60 bucks for that mag! I ordered some out of the Shotgun News the same day for 8 bucks each!
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Isn't it strange how the ATF can claim their "position" on various interpretations of law, even though there is no specific law? Then its up to you to fight it in court?
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Originally Posted By zoom:
Try Carolina Gun and Reel View Quote View Quote |
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"The problem with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." -Margaret Thatcher
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Originally Posted By zoom:
Zardoz, I thought you meant the guy working in the shop was saying that. It wasn't clear from your first post that it was a customer. I have heard that same comment from the owner of a local shop.
Fast Cash: Nice selection of rifles. I stop by there every couple of months. I like being able to look at the rifles closely, which you just can't do when they're behind a counter or behind glass. I bought a Kel-Tec P-32 from them just over a year ago, and they wouldn't mail it back to Kel-Tec for me. They could send it USPS, but instead, I had to pay about $35 to send it overnight UPS. I paid $30 extra to buy it from there rather than from Dunbar's, so I'm not happy about that. I even offered the guy $15 extra for mailing it, so I wouldn't have to deal with finding a UPS customer with daily pickup to send it, and he still said no. Before that, I had taken five customers to their shop that bought from them. Since then, I take my friends and family to gun shows since there isn't a good local shop to recommend.
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The preban mag in postban gun part is BS, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if shooting ranges are being watched. Local cops, county sheriffs, state police, and the feds all know how easy it is to arrest someone with a 100% legal firearm and send him to prison for a long time on fabricated charges.
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Originally Posted By pv74:
The ONLY time inserting a preban mag into a post ban gun may be illegal is when you insert a preban foreign made mag into a post ban gun made with foreign parts, where the mag counts as one of the seven US parts. If you replace the mag follower and floorplate with a US made one, then you are okay, and do not have an illegal weapon. This situation arises with some of the post ban AK variants you see floating around. This is what our so called "expert" may be refering to. View Quote |
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