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Link Posted: 1/17/2017 2:56:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/17/2017 2:57:25 PM EDT by GIVEMEMYTOYS]
Just turn off the free shit.

No having three babies at the local hospital and most will self deport.
Link Posted: 1/17/2017 3:02:52 PM EDT
That's where you're wrong kiddo.
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Originally Posted By DangerJ:
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Link Posted: 1/17/2017 3:07:24 PM EDT
Work for 3 years building this big ass wall and you get a green card...
Link Posted: 1/17/2017 3:12:27 PM EDT
The US is pretty good at getting people overthrown.
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Originally Posted By ludder093:
but muh Remittances!   I wonder how much of their economy comes from money sent back from the states? 
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Lived in Guatemala by Mexican border for a few years.

Can't count how many people I met who had been to the states for a few years working 2+ jobs and sent all their money back to set them up with a sweet house and truck.

On guy worked 3 jobs (according to him) in places like a chicken processing plant. Anyway he didn't take a day off for like 5 years and he lived in a single wide with a bunch of other guys. He sent all his money he didn't use back home to a bank. When he left the states he took a few old school buses and a 90's Tacoma pickup.

He now has a bus company and is set for life.

I say deport them. They need us more than we need them
Link Posted: 1/17/2017 3:13:39 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/17/2017 3:15:41 PM EDT
$145MM in FY 2017 aid says he's wrong.
Link Posted: 1/17/2017 3:19:39 PM EDT
Don't deport, just ban them in all states except California.

Sit back and watch the hilarity unfold.
Link Posted: 1/17/2017 3:20:08 PM EDT
Oh we can suffer it. Guatemala needs their wonderfully productive good citizens back much more than we need them. Lets help el presidente out and send back his people. Doesn't he want his own cointry to have the GDP growth they would bring back? Surely it would be greater than the $7 bil. they get from us, right?
Link Posted: 1/17/2017 3:21:59 PM EDT
What is Guatemala going to do to stop us?

Maybe if we cut off their foreign aid they will stfu and stay in their lane.
Link Posted: 1/17/2017 3:22:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By M4:
If I were Trump I'd put my foot so far up Guatamala's ass for this sort of "FUCK YOU" entitlement that they'd be left as a carcass by the watering hole to serve as a dire warning to all others.

This is what 8 years of having a spineless Marxist pussy as our president get us. 

The world needs a reminder of who needs who around this fuckin planet. As for Guatamala? Are you kidding? Make an example out of them.....to the extent other countries whisper of what happened to Guatamala prior to opening their  mouths in our direction.
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Link Posted: 1/17/2017 3:30:17 PM EDT
Let them pay for part of the Mexican Trump Wall with taxes on those wire transfers.
Link Posted: 1/17/2017 3:33:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By thekirk:


No, too damn easy and too many loopholes. They'll steal people's SSNs, and leave them to pay the penalties.

What they need to do is start tracking these fucks by the benefits they get, comparing them to the remittances, and then confiscating those remittances until they equal out to what they've taken in terms of tax dollars. The numbers don't add up, the way you're suggesting it be done--There's still a tremendous amount of American tax money being spent, taken from all of us, to subsidize this shit that's leaving us out of work and making less money. Why the hell are my local schools having to float bonds to pay for the remedial education a lot of the illegal's kids need? Why isn't that expense, taken out of my pocket, being accounted for with this bullshit?

Seriously--You want to fix this shit? Fine, let's fix it, but let's do it by capturing the actual costs/benefits of all this "cheap labor". I guaran-damn-tee you that the only thing that's "cheap" about it is that we're not seeing the true costs of things, from across the board. Sure, the farmers are making out like bandits, 'cos in some cases they're paying a lot less to the illegals than they would have to pay an American, but... He's not the guy having to pay for them to live here in the off-season, he's not paying to educate their kids, he's not paying the health care costs for the families during the off-season, and on and on and on.

We literally don't even know what these people cost us, in terms of the externalities. Sure, you think you're making a little more money with that questionable labor you're getting cheap, but... You're also getting your taxes jacked up, to pay for educating their kids, the percentage that is criminal, and a whole bunch of other stuff that never makes it anywhere near your accounting software.

I say make all this crap legal, but also do away with birthright citizenship and all the rest. Look at the costs we're paying out, and if you're an illegal here in the US, making money to send home, sure... Send it home. But, first, let's take a look at what the American taxpayer is paying for you and your family to be here, undercutting our labor pool. If you ain't on the "profit" side of the balance sheet, too bad, too sad, your money ain't leaving, it's going straight to the US treasury.

That way, if the illegal truly is of economic benefit, that's the only way they can afford to be here and send money back. The current setup is basically subsidizing the destruction of the American economy, long-term. Hell, we don't even have a good handle on what we're spending on these people, or what is being sent back home by them--It's nuts. You want an honest set of numbers so we can actually look at this shit, and talk about it? Good luck; we don't have 'em, and aren't even trying to get them.

A lot of the cost to American taxpayers is hidden by all this shit; they need to seriously jack up the H1B tax rates, and do the same damn thing. I've heard complaints from laid-off US IT workers who were supporting a family, got replaced by Indian H1Bs that were living five-six to an apartment, and sending back most of their wages. The companies that were doing this were culpable, but the problem is also governmental--When you allow the tax base and housing base to get so far out of whack for the average American citizen that this kind of thing begins to make economic sense for those companies...? The whole basis for the equation needs to be changed.

I don't disagree that perhaps the US has a responsibility to boost economies overseas--That's just good for all of us, creating stable, market-based modern economies. But, for the love of God, why the hell are we letting this idea get so far out of hand that we're creating our own little third world, here in the US? It isn't good for anyone, in the long haul.
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Originally Posted By thekirk:
Originally Posted By GregMc:
So, require a Social Security Number to initiate an international funds transfer / money order / etc, and make the transfer subject to 50% initial tax. If you have provided a valid SSN, you get 90% of the tax back as a tax credit on your annual IRS income tax. You don't have a valid SSN or don't file 1040 - tough shit, no refund.


No, too damn easy and too many loopholes. They'll steal people's SSNs, and leave them to pay the penalties.

What they need to do is start tracking these fucks by the benefits they get, comparing them to the remittances, and then confiscating those remittances until they equal out to what they've taken in terms of tax dollars. The numbers don't add up, the way you're suggesting it be done--There's still a tremendous amount of American tax money being spent, taken from all of us, to subsidize this shit that's leaving us out of work and making less money. Why the hell are my local schools having to float bonds to pay for the remedial education a lot of the illegal's kids need? Why isn't that expense, taken out of my pocket, being accounted for with this bullshit?

Seriously--You want to fix this shit? Fine, let's fix it, but let's do it by capturing the actual costs/benefits of all this "cheap labor". I guaran-damn-tee you that the only thing that's "cheap" about it is that we're not seeing the true costs of things, from across the board. Sure, the farmers are making out like bandits, 'cos in some cases they're paying a lot less to the illegals than they would have to pay an American, but... He's not the guy having to pay for them to live here in the off-season, he's not paying to educate their kids, he's not paying the health care costs for the families during the off-season, and on and on and on.

We literally don't even know what these people cost us, in terms of the externalities. Sure, you think you're making a little more money with that questionable labor you're getting cheap, but... You're also getting your taxes jacked up, to pay for educating their kids, the percentage that is criminal, and a whole bunch of other stuff that never makes it anywhere near your accounting software.

I say make all this crap legal, but also do away with birthright citizenship and all the rest. Look at the costs we're paying out, and if you're an illegal here in the US, making money to send home, sure... Send it home. But, first, let's take a look at what the American taxpayer is paying for you and your family to be here, undercutting our labor pool. If you ain't on the "profit" side of the balance sheet, too bad, too sad, your money ain't leaving, it's going straight to the US treasury.

That way, if the illegal truly is of economic benefit, that's the only way they can afford to be here and send money back. The current setup is basically subsidizing the destruction of the American economy, long-term. Hell, we don't even have a good handle on what we're spending on these people, or what is being sent back home by them--It's nuts. You want an honest set of numbers so we can actually look at this shit, and talk about it? Good luck; we don't have 'em, and aren't even trying to get them.

A lot of the cost to American taxpayers is hidden by all this shit; they need to seriously jack up the H1B tax rates, and do the same damn thing. I've heard complaints from laid-off US IT workers who were supporting a family, got replaced by Indian H1Bs that were living five-six to an apartment, and sending back most of their wages. The companies that were doing this were culpable, but the problem is also governmental--When you allow the tax base and housing base to get so far out of whack for the average American citizen that this kind of thing begins to make economic sense for those companies...? The whole basis for the equation needs to be changed.

I don't disagree that perhaps the US has a responsibility to boost economies overseas--That's just good for all of us, creating stable, market-based modern economies. But, for the love of God, why the hell are we letting this idea get so far out of hand that we're creating our own little third world, here in the US? It isn't good for anyone, in the long haul.
I think you misunderstood one thing. The tax is paid upfront, not as a penalty. Only valid SSN holders get the refund.   
Link Posted: 1/17/2017 3:34:03 PM EDT
Cut off the welfare and I bet most of them leave on their own.
Link Posted: 1/17/2017 3:49:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By PossumKing:
Work for 3 years building this big ass wall and you get a green card...
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No, Work for 3 years on a work visa then get left on the other side of the wall when it's done. 
Link Posted: 1/17/2017 3:54:51 PM EDT
Want to bet!!!
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Originally Posted By SamuelAdams1776:



Lol. No. Cheaper to hire immigrants.
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Originally Posted By SamuelAdams1776:
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Laughing at everyone in this thread who thinks they will pick their own vegetables.
Automation. They've managed to build a functioning tobacco harvester, by far the most labor intensive crop. You think implements don't exist to pick tomatoes and cucumbers? 



Lol. No. Cheaper to hire immigrants.
It was cheaper to import oil, until it wasn't. Technology filled the gap. Today it may be cheaper to hire immigrants. It may not be tomorrow. Power farming will fill the gap, as it has been doing for over a century. We had some H2A workers a couple years ago that had been picking corn by hand in Mexico before they came here. How much corn do you think is picked by hand in the United States? None is how much, aside from a few rows in gardens.
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Originally Posted By NotoriousBRT:
It was cheaper to import oil, until it wasn't. Technology filled the gap. Today it may be cheaper to hire immigrants. It may not be tomorrow. Power farming will fill the gap, as it has been doing for over a century. We had some H2A workers a couple years ago that had been picking corn by hand in Mexico before they came here. How much corn do you think is picked by hand in the United States? None is how much, aside from a few rows in gardens.
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I'd laugh if the Trump administration gave out grants to develop farm implements able to pick fruits and vegetables. 
Link Posted: 1/17/2017 4:25:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By badhand1:
Fuck you Guatemala.
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This.
Link Posted: 1/17/2017 5:20:28 PM EDT
Fuck you Guatemala. Give us shit and we'll stop buying your bananas, coconuts, and whatever else you export.

I used to work with a Chechen MANY MANY years ago (pre 9/11) that lived in a place that I would be surprised cost over $50 a month. No phone. Nothing extra. He would send every spare cent he made back to his Chechen buddies that were fighting Russia. I used to have fun whistling the Russian National Anthem while walking by. He hated Russians. He drive a new shitbox car every month because he would wreck them regularly. I'm pretty sure half of them were stolen.

Used to have an entire Mexican family that cleaned our building. They sent a lot of money back to their family members still in Mexico.

I have nothing against coming over and working, just sending the money abroad.
Link Posted: 1/17/2017 5:21:43 PM EDT
Fuck them.
Link Posted: 1/17/2017 5:27:32 PM EDT
I feel like the last thing you want to do, is tell Trump he can't do something.
Link Posted: 1/17/2017 5:39:50 PM EDT
There just afraid what will happen to them if 1.5m Guatemalians get deported back home. What kind of weight that it would put on there own economy.
Link Posted: 1/17/2017 5:46:16 PM EDT
Hey:
 Guatemala...  STFU, and Make me some coffee.
Link Posted: 1/17/2017 5:47:21 PM EDT
If I could I'd fly an airplane full of piss over their capital every day and empty it.
Link Posted: 1/17/2017 5:50:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By badhand1:
Fuck you Guatemala.
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Thanks for the numbers Guatemala. We'll be sending these citizens back and or taxing their remittances starting at 1201 pm on Friday.
Link Posted: 1/17/2017 5:51:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Fullpower:
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And go get your fucking shine box.

Link Posted: 1/17/2017 5:55:02 PM EDT
"Challenge accepted."
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Link Posted: 1/17/2017 10:51:02 PM EDT
Here in America, we have a sayin...

"Hold my beer and watch this!"
Link Posted: 1/17/2017 11:03:56 PM EDT
You all aren't parsing what he actually said. Notice that at no point did he actually say "we're going to stop the daily planeloads of deportees". He said the US can't afford to report them. He's pandering to his domestic audience with this talk of legislation and presidential powers. It's all smoke and mirrors so he can tell tell his constituents how he stood up to the evil USA without actually getting aid cut off or suffering from actual sanctions.
Link Posted: 1/17/2017 11:20:33 PM EDT
I do not know how many Guats and El Sals I have come across on the ranch I live and work on that were turned over to CBP, its has to be in the hundreds over the years. Deport them all, no matter who or what they claim all of them have stood by and watched immoral deeds done or participated in them as they were illegally crossed the border
Link Posted: 1/17/2017 11:23:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:
I don't think that is possible without creating a huge black market for cash movement.
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Perfect!


Illegal money ALL gets confiscated!


Link Posted: 1/17/2017 11:24:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By dorobuta:


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ROFLMAO!
Link Posted: 1/17/2017 11:26:11 PM EDT
First post.
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Originally Posted By dillehayd:
$145MM in FY 2017 aid says he's wrong.
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That needs to be cut to zero, along with all of the other foreign aid we give away.
Link Posted: 1/17/2017 11:45:11 PM EDT
Que? LOL
Link Posted: 1/18/2017 12:09:29 AM EDT
New deportation technology being tested by ICE
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Originally Posted By Palm:
If they are here illegally then any monies they earn are ill gotten gains and are subject to asset forfeiture.
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Perhaps they can be criminally prosecuted. They can become our wall laborers. When they complete the wall they can build pyramids in the desert.
Link Posted: 1/18/2017 1:17:07 AM EDT
A certain country is just asking to be made an example of by DJT. Let the fun and games begin.
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If they did move cash, it wouldn't take long for the postal workers overseas to start liberating those funds.
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Or the cartels.

Or the ordinary hoods here in the states.

It doesn't matter though, as long as mamacita and her 14123231 kids don't get it back home, who cares?  The Guatos will have to go to Mexico and ship money home from there.
Link Posted: 1/18/2017 10:18:22 AM EDT
1st deportation: out the border with smile and warning

2nd deportation: out a c130 (sans chute) at 50' elevation outside border zone.

3rd deportation: out a c130 (sans chute) at 5000' over shark convention zone
Link Posted: 1/18/2017 8:43:23 PM EDT
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Laughing at everyone in this thread who thinks they will pick their own vegetables.
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Oh please...

First off, without foreign workers in the mix the farmers would have three choices... Pay Americans what it takes to get their crops picked, invest in machinery to do the picking for them (or make the harvesting easier), or switch to a different crop. And the excuse of having to hire illegals to stay competitive would go away. Maybe the price of strawberries would go up a couple dollars a pound, so what?

And second, have you ever heard of "guest worker programs?" If we really, really do have to have third world laborers come into this country to do this kind of work then there are already programs to accommodate this. People come in after a reasonable background check. They don't have to use anyone's social security number because they are legally working. And, they leave when they are done. That way we aren't getting the criminals, rapists, and welfare deadbeats. The people aren't collecting welfare, they are just working.

Hell, let's be all compassionate to these guest workers and give them a $25.00 minimum wage too. (Just for guest workers.) That wouldn't raise the price of strawberries that much, it would help the guest workers, and it would mean that domestic low skilled workers could compete.
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Link Posted: 1/18/2017 9:02:01 PM EDT
Make it so toxic for them to live here that they leave like rats from a barn on fire!!
Link Posted: 1/18/2017 9:09:55 PM EDT
Start packing and I hope the have a good pair of walking shoes.
Link Posted: 1/18/2017 9:15:02 PM EDT
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There's no deportation for illegal invasion.




TRACK THEM THE FUCK DOWN.
Link Posted: 1/18/2017 9:22:23 PM EDT
For God sakes don't disparage the Guatemalans. I got a warning when I didn't realize Mexican was a race. I'm sure Guatemalan, Canadian, and American are all races too. 
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