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Posted: 12/31/2011 4:35:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/31/2011 4:41:17 AM EDT by HellifIknow]
Ruh-roh Raggy.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/29/MNGQ1MICRG.DTL

How long before the meth heads steal his collar?

ETA:
"A lone gray wolf crossed the border into California and was on the move south of Klamath Falls on Thursday, becoming the first wild wolf in the state in almost a century.

The 2 1/2-year-old male wolf, known as OR7, was tracked using a GPS collar as it crossed the Oregon border, to the delight of conservationists and the horror of the many ranchers in the forested northern regions of California.

"Whether one is for it or against it, the entry of this lone wolf into California is an historic event and the result of much work by the wildlife agencies in the West," said Charlton H. Bonham, director of the California Department of Fish and Game. "If the gray wolf does establish a population in California, there will be much more work to do here."

The presence of the mythic predator in California is a major event for environmentalists, who would like to see the state's native predators and wildlife returned. But it could also influence environmental and ranching policies and GUN LAWS if the large, potentially dangerous canine carnivores become prevalent in populated regions."


Vas ist das in der red?



Link Posted: 12/31/2011 4:38:34 AM EDT
mmmm... hippies for breakfast.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 4:59:16 AM EDT
Another reason to pack a gun when you're in the woods.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 5:02:14 AM EDT
Looks like a mangy coyote.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 5:02:51 AM EDT
They will help control the coyote population.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 5:06:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 4v50:
Another reason to pack a gun when you're in the woods.


Highly unlikely for someone to be attacked by a wolf.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 5:29:58 AM EDT
Originally Posted By HellifIknow:
The presence of the mythic predator in California is a major event for environmentalists, who would like to see the state's native predators and wildlife returned. But it could also influence environmental and ranching policies and GUN LAWS if the large, potentially dangerous canine carnivores become prevalent in populated regions."


Vas ist das in der red?





does california really need to bother with "excuses" for more stringent gun laws?

Link Posted: 12/31/2011 5:30:58 AM EDT
Direwolf....Winter is coming.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 5:38:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/31/2011 5:39:34 AM EDT by geekz0r]
livestock however could be a problem. like breaking into a supermarket at night ....


the problem is... you're talking about how people *feel* about wild animal vs the actual facts.



It's like Mom. She goes for walks in a local wooded park and feeds birds and squirrels. She may at times drop a peanut or birdseed for a deer but she tries to just look at them from a distance rather than actually feed them.

Then the bleeding-hearts come in with giant bags of feed thinking they're saviors for all the poor little deer.


The truth is they do more harm than good because the deer will get use to having more food and will reproduce more. which leads to a population the environment cannot sustain. which means deer have to go out farther and farther for food or starve.

But if you tell them (which Mom has done) this they reply "oh that's just a myth! Here bambi! Get your bag of feed!"


I think the wolves are much the same. You have people accustomed to going "oooh ahhh" and thinking of them almost as pets. pets requiring protection. So when they come back - as they have in other states - they start taking over and get to the point where they're no longer endangered... and they're endangering other animals and ecosystems.

But you can't tell that to the bleeding-hearts. they'll just figure you're making shit up and that you're just a meanie who wants to butcher their pets.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 5:40:53 AM EDT
Wake me when there's 3
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 5:43:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/31/2011 5:44:52 AM EDT by BatchelorGroda]
Originally Posted By HellifIknow:
Ruh-roh Raggy.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/29/MNGQ1MICRG.DTL

How long before the meth heads steal his collar?

ETA:
"A lone gray wolf crossed the border into California and was on the move south of Klamath Falls on Thursday, becoming the first wild wolf in the state in almost a century.

The 2 1/2-year-old male wolf, known as OR7, was tracked using a GPS collar as it crossed the Oregon border, to the delight of conservationists and the horror of the many ranchers in the forested northern regions of California.

"Whether one is for it or against it, the entry of this lone wolf into California is an historic event and the result of much work by the wildlife agencies in the West," said Charlton H. Bonham, director of the California Department of Fish and Game. "If the gray wolf does establish a population in California, there will be much more work to do here."

The presence of the mythic predator in California is a major event for environmentalists, who would like to see the state's native predators and wildlife returned. But it could also influence environmental and ranching policies and GUN LAWS if the large, potentially dangerous canine carnivores become prevalent in populated regions."


Vas ist das in der red?





LOL...I'm absolutely sure it is not the first...The people who watch our "wild animals" never admit to certain animals being in a certain areas until they see it for themselves...in this case, with a tracking collar.

There are mountain lions by my house, and by my dad's house 30 miles south of here in Minnesota, yet the DNR keeps saying that there are none.

ETA...They have tracked them into Chicago, yet magically none have ever came through THIS area?
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 7:28:41 AM EDT
Yah, im not to pumped about it. It crossed right into the forest that I work in (Klamath).
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 7:37:06 AM EDT
Why is it that the powers that be want the wolf reintroduced to it's "original" range yet you don't see these morons re-introducing puma's to South Carolina?
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 7:50:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/31/2011 7:51:16 AM EDT by dirtyboy]
Man killed off most the wolves for a pretty good reason. Hope they adapt to city life as us ranchers don't want them. Turn a pack of 20 loose in Central Park and let's see what happens.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 7:52:51 AM EDT
Originally Posted By BatchelorGroda:
Originally Posted By HellifIknow:
Ruh-roh Raggy.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/29/MNGQ1MICRG.DTL

How long before the meth heads steal his collar?

ETA:
"A lone gray wolf crossed the border into California and was on the move south of Klamath Falls on Thursday, becoming the first wild wolf in the state in almost a century.

The 2 1/2-year-old male wolf, known as OR7, was tracked using a GPS collar as it crossed the Oregon border, to the delight of conservationists and the horror of the many ranchers in the forested northern regions of California.

"Whether one is for it or against it, the entry of this lone wolf into California is an historic event and the result of much work by the wildlife agencies in the West," said Charlton H. Bonham, director of the California Department of Fish and Game. "If the gray wolf does establish a population in California, there will be much more work to do here."

The presence of the mythic predator in California is a major event for environmentalists, who would like to see the state's native predators and wildlife returned. But it could also influence environmental and ranching policies and GUN LAWS if the large, potentially dangerous canine carnivores become prevalent in populated regions."


Vas ist das in der red?





LOL...I'm absolutely sure it is not the first...The people who watch our "wild animals" never admit to certain animals being in a certain areas until they see it for themselves...in this case, with a tracking collar.

There are mountain lions by my house, and by my dad's house 30 miles south of here in Minnesota, yet the DNR keeps saying that there are none.

ETA...They have tracked them into Chicago, yet magically none have ever came through THIS area?


I'm on the plains of Colorado and have seen elk, a wolf, one mountain lion and several bobcats near my home.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 7:54:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By JoeCoastie:
Why is it that the powers that be want the wolf reintroduced to it's "original" range yet you don't see these morons re-introducing puma's to South Carolina?


Then you'd have rappers with pet Pumas
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 10:11:59 AM EDT


We should just cut to the chase and introduce a few hundred wolf packs into San Francisco. Wolves should be able to find plenty of prey to sustain themselves there.


"Problem A, meet Problem B."
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 2:35:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By futuremodal:


We should just cut to the chase and introduce a few hundred wolf packs into San Francisco. Wolves should be able to find plenty of prey to sustain themselves there.


"Problem A, meet Problem B."



First, +1 that would be awesome

Second, who is that bish in your avatar?
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 3:13:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SFENDER:
Originally Posted By futuremodal:


We should just cut to the chase and introduce a few hundred wolf packs into San Francisco. Wolves should be able to find plenty of prey to sustain themselves there.


"Problem A, meet Problem B."



First, +1 that would be awesome

Second, who is that bish in your avatar?
Stepfanie Kramer from the "Hunter" TV series back in the 80's.

Link Posted: 12/31/2011 3:20:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/31/2011 3:22:11 PM EDT by 1Andy2]
I'm not a biologist, zoologist, or any kind of conservation expert...

But didn't the wolf die it in most places because of competition with humans?

So how do they propose to prevent them from dying out in the future without placing burdens on humans?





Oh.



For that matter tho... why is it even worthwhile to "conserve" a predator like the wolf? If a species goes extinct, doesn't that mean (by default) that it couldn't adapt to it's surroundings? Why do we want to preserve a bunch of slacker species?
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 3:29:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
I'm not a biologist, zoologist, or any kind of conservation expert...

But didn't the wolf die it in most places because of competition with humans?

So how do they propose to prevent them from dying out in the future without placing burdens on humans?

Oh.



For that matter tho... why is it even worthwhile to "conserve" a predator like the wolf? If a species goes extinct, doesn't that mean (by default) that it couldn't adapt to it's surroundings? Why do we want to preserve a bunch of slacker species?


Remember, this isn't really about wolves being reintroduced so much as it is about not being able to protect one's family and property from wolf predation (and to a lesser extent not being able to engage in normal economic activities) without having Big Brother contantly threatening you with jail if you do so in a way that is not up to their particular idioms.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 3:36:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RunsBellows:
Originally Posted By HellifIknow:
But it could also influence environmental and ranching policies and GUN LAWS if the large, potentially dangerous canine carnivores become prevalent in populated regions."
Vas ist das in der red?
does california really need to bother with "excuses" for more stringent gun laws?


To me it sounds like they may consider loosening them up if a few hippies get gnawed on
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 3:46:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1srelluc:
Direwolf....Winter is coming.


What has been done here, the Night's Watch have seen.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 3:52:01 PM EDT
shoot them......shoot them all......
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 4:04:18 PM EDT
The DEP in CT won't admit that we have a large population of Mountain Lions and Bobcats.

They refused to believe that Mountain Lions were here in CT until one wound up getting hit on the highway.

Let the animals roam, let the ranchers protect their animals. The population will even itself out just fine.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 4:19:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Rabidmonkey707:
Yah, im not to pumped about it. It crossed right into the forest that I work in (Klamath).


Tell me your kidding? It's fucking wolf, not a democrat!
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 4:21:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Swoosh101:
Looks like a mangy coyote.


It's a wolf.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 4:23:17 PM EDT
Gray Wolves > Liberals
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 4:51:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By dirtyboy:
Man killed off most the wolves for a pretty good reason. Hope they adapt to city life as us ranchers don't want them. Turn a pack of 20 loose in Central Park and let's see what happens.


now that would be reality TV I could watch

Link Posted: 12/31/2011 5:00:14 PM EDT
Originally Posted By renesis:
Originally Posted By 4v50:
Another reason to pack a gun when you're in the woods.


Highly unlikely for someone to be attacked by a wolf.


Wolves of 100 years ago and I'd agree. With the current generations of wolves, not so much. Most haven't been hunted and have no reason to fear humans. Big predator with no fear of man...Well, there's a lot of unexplained disappearances in the woods. Food motivated wolf attacks would go a long way toward explaining some of them.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 5:13:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TangoPapa:
The DEP in CT won't admit that we have a large population of Mountain Lions and Bobcats.

They refused to believe that Mountain Lions were here in CT until one wound up getting hit on the highway.

Let the animals roam, let the ranchers protect their animals. The population will even itself out just fine.

It's not about the animals. It's not about the environment.

Except to the useful idiots.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 5:22:27 PM EDT
The fun spreads. You reap what you sow.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 5:29:27 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 5:37:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DrFrige:

Originally Posted By renesis:
Originally Posted By 4v50:
Another reason to pack a gun when you're in the woods.


Highly unlikely for someone to be attacked by a wolf.
This. We had the pleasure of visiting the California Wolf Center in San Diego county and it was great watching them teach kids the myths of wolves and debunking all the red riding hood and three little piggies stereotyping of wolves.

Upon one of our hikes, we bumped into a couple that had a 100% wolf... was one great experience petting one up close.





Yeah....wolves are awesome.



Link Posted: 12/31/2011 6:07:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BatchelorGroda:
Originally Posted By HellifIknow:
Ruh-roh Raggy.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/29/MNGQ1MICRG.DTL

How long before the meth heads steal his collar?

ETA:
"A lone gray wolf crossed the border into California and was on the move south of Klamath Falls on Thursday, becoming the first wild wolf in the state in almost a century.

The 2 1/2-year-old male wolf, known as OR7, was tracked using a GPS collar as it crossed the Oregon border, to the delight of conservationists and the horror of the many ranchers in the forested northern regions of California.

"Whether one is for it or against it, the entry of this lone wolf into California is an historic event and the result of much work by the wildlife agencies in the West," said Charlton H. Bonham, director of the California Department of Fish and Game. "If the gray wolf does establish a population in California, there will be much more work to do here."

The presence of the mythic predator in California is a major event for environmentalists, who would like to see the state's native predators and wildlife returned. But it could also influence environmental and ranching policies and GUN LAWS if the large, potentially dangerous canine carnivores become prevalent in populated regions."


Vas ist das in der red?





LOL...I'm absolutely sure it is not the first...The people who watch our "wild animals" never admit to certain animals being in a certain areas until they see it for themselves...in this case, with a tracking collar.

There are mountain lions by my house, and by my dad's house 30 miles south of here in Minnesota, yet the DNR keeps saying that there are none.

ETA...They have tracked them into Chicago, yet magically none have ever came through THIS area?


They didn't track one to Chicago, they shot one in Chicago. They are certainly in Wisconsin as well. They likely came thru Minnesota, don't ya know.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 6:10:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MagnusM4:
Originally Posted By DrFrige:
Originally Posted By renesis:
Originally Posted By 4v50:
Another reason to pack a gun when you're in the woods.
Highly unlikely for someone to be attacked by a wolf.
This. We had the pleasure of visiting the California Wolf Center in San Diego county and it was great watching them teach kids the myths of wolves and debunking all the red riding hood and three little piggies stereotyping of wolves.

Upon one of our hikes, we bumped into a couple that had a 100% wolf... was one great experience petting one up close.
Yeah....wolves are awesome.

http://www.iwebc.com/Photos/s1/lobowatch.org/adminclient/WolfWar2/Large3.jpg?
I have had too many close calls with hitting the damn things.


Link Posted: 12/31/2011 6:28:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 1srelluc:
Direwolf....Winter is coming.


Indeed it is sir.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 6:32:24 PM EDT

oh goody.

every piece of land that wolf touches will be declared off limits due to an endangered species living there.

big sis will claim eminent domain and take it all.


Link Posted: 12/31/2011 6:57:51 PM EDT
Originally Posted By RI0T:

oh goody.

every piece of land that wolf touches will be declared off limits due to an endangered species living there.

big sis will claim eminent domain and take it all.




They've been taken off the endangered species list.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 7:11:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Burnsome-:
shoot them......shoot them all......


The wolves or the liberals? You're going to have to be more specific. Don't plan on seeing many wolves here. But if we do, they will treated the same as the mountain lions. Shot on sight.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 7:13:50 PM EDT
Kill it before it finds another to breeds with.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 7:16:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ar10er:
Kill it before it finds another to breed with.

^^^This^^^

Link Posted: 12/31/2011 7:17:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/31/2011 7:21:11 PM EDT by CLICKBANGBANG]
A lone wolf crossed into Oregon in 1999, becoming the first of the predators seen in the state in 60 years. The first wolf pack was confirmed in 2008. There are now at least two dozen wolves in the four Oregon packs, and they, too, have created controversy.

Pack members have killed 20 cows and calves over the past two years. The Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife killed two of the culprits and were planning to cull two other wolves before conservation groups filed a lawsuit.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/29/MNGQ1MICRG.DTL#ixzz1iB27bbzx

At that rate, your looking at 100 head in 10 years for 24 wolves. How is this good again? Now you know why the ranchers are not for wolves in this state.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 7:25:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By futuremodal:


We should just cut to the chase and introduce a few hundred wolf packs into San Francisco. Wolves should be able to find plenty of prey to sustain themselves there.


"Problem A, meet Problem B."


I wouldnt wish that on a wolf but a monkey all bets would be off!
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 7:30:38 PM EDT
Hunting laws = gun laws

At least, in the media.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 7:32:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ar10er:
Kill it before it finds another to breeds with.


He didnt wander into Kalifornia for Tofu he is there for bitches and food!He is the first tracked not the first there.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 7:33:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By clamman:
Originally Posted By ar10er:
Kill it before it finds another to breeds with.


He didnt wander into Kalifornia for Tofu he is there for bitches and food!He is the first tracked not the first there.

Hence, finds another.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 7:34:53 PM EDT
Hopefully it was in Oregon long enough to get a taste for dreadlocks and nipple rings so it'll only eat hippies.
Link Posted: 12/31/2011 7:37:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DrFrige:

Originally Posted By renesis:
Originally Posted By 4v50:
Another reason to pack a gun when you're in the woods.


Highly unlikely for someone to be attacked by a wolf.
This. We had the pleasure of visiting the California Wolf Center in San Diego county and it was great watching them teach kids the myths of wolves and debunking all the red riding hood and three little piggies stereotyping of wolves.

Upon one of our hikes, we bumped into a couple that had a 100% wolf... was one great experience petting one up close.





There are hundreds of documented wolf attacks on humans throughout the centuries. Hippies think they're spiritual and harmless to humans and they teach that myth to others, don't let your kids believe it.
Link Posted: 1/1/2012 9:02:35 AM EDT
We'll see how popular wolves are next month.

Link Posted: 1/4/2012 1:47:02 AM EDT
Originally Posted By clamman:
Originally Posted By ar10er:
Kill it before it finds another to breeds with.


He didnt wander into Kalifornia for Tofu he is there for bitches and food!He is the first tracked not the first there.


What a coincidence, me too.....
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