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Posted: 8/21/2004 8:10:36 PM EST
This was on AOHELL

MARTINSBURG, W.Va. (Aug. 21) - A man who heckled President Bush at a political rally was fired from his job at an advertising and design company. The graphic designer said he was told he'd embarrassed and offended a client who provided tickets to the event.

"I was told that my actions reflected badly on the company and that a client was upset," Glen Hiller of Berkeley Springs said.

Hiller was escorted from Hedgesville High School on Tuesday after shouting comments about the Iraq war and the failure to find weapons of mass destruction there. The crowd had easily drowned out Hiller with its chant: "Four more years."

Arriving at his job with Octavo Designs in Frederick, Md., the next morning, Hiller said he was "shocked" to learn he was fired. A woman at the company who declined to give her name confirmed Hiller was axed because of his conduct at the rally.

"They see my actions as negative," Hiller said, adding he'd do the same thing again. "There is no venue for the regular guy to ask a question. We don't have access to people in power. And those events are completely scripted and controlled."

Last month, Charleston City Council apologized to two protesters arrested for wearing anti-Bush T-shirts to the president's July 4 rally. The pair were taken from the event in restraints after revealing T-shirts with Bush's name crossed out on the front and the words "Love America, Hate Bush" on the back. Trespassing charges were ultimately dismissed.
Link Posted: 8/21/2004 8:20:16 PM EST
Both he and his employer exercised their freedom of speech.
Link Posted: 8/21/2004 9:29:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By furball75:
This was on AOHELL

MARTINSBURG, W.Va. (Aug. 21) - A man who heckled President Bush at a political rally was fired from his job at an advertising and design company. The graphic designer said he was told he'd embarrassed and offended a client who provided tickets to the event.



That sounds absolutely reasonable to me.
If a client provided me with tickets to a John Kerry event...I wouldnt go...But, if I did go, I would not act like an ass, and embarrass the people who invited me to go.

(But, I WOULD come back here...and tell you guys what ASSHATS all the Kerry supporters were)
Link Posted: 8/21/2004 9:39:51 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/21/2004 9:42:24 PM EST

Originally Posted By DigDug:
Actions have consequences.



My 1ST AMmENTDMENT RiGHSTS OMFG!!11

Link Posted: 8/21/2004 9:48:04 PM EST
My first amendment right to hate someone has about as much force as someone elses first amendment right to hate me.

As long as I don't go and spout off shit that can't be proven as untrue... I can spout off that shit all day long.

The fiddlers are the only place where we can feel safe.

Please let them save me.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 12:44:40 AM EST
shit! too bad it's in W. Va or i'd send 'em my resume!
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 1:51:29 AM EST
Stay in Nevada, we don't want you here.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 3:03:44 AM EST
For every action thers an equal and opposite reaction , stupid SOB got what he deserved/ Good riddance to bad rubbish
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 3:13:42 AM EST
This guy learned when it's a good idea to shut up. Fortunately, I learned that lesson at a very young age.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 3:22:56 AM EST
He got fired for being an ass, not for being anti-Bush. Big difference.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 3:51:42 AM EST
didnt get to go to see the pres as I had to go to NC all last week for work,did have a friend go that got to meet him and shake his hand.A girl that my wife works with told her that her mom did get to moon a secret service helo flying around hedgesville
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 4:07:32 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/22/2004 4:08:07 AM EST by EricTheHun]
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 4:10:08 AM EST
law suit
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 4:11:59 AM EST
Sounds reasonable to me. Guy exercised his rights. Company exercised their rights. Sounds like everyone was righteous. I need to go exercise my 2nd Amendment rights today, as a matter of fact. Only 1.5 hours till the range opens.


Woody
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 4:52:40 AM EST
If the tickets were supplied by clients of his company, then the funciton, for that individual, was a work related event. No different than a company picnic or Christmas party. He should have behaved himself. He can sue, but he hasn't got a case.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 5:23:47 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 5:33:04 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 5:40:25 AM EST
NOTICE

Please send all of your firearms to the nearest Homeland Defense center for Collection of Weapons of Mass Destruction.

It has been determined that since the First Amendment is no longer a relevant concept in our New World Order, the Second Amendment is no longer necessary. All legal private ownership of bullethoses will cease to exist.

Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 6:08:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By colklink:
didnt get to go to see the pres as I had to go to NC all last week for work,did have a friend go that got to meet him and shake his hand.A girl that my wife works with told her that her mom did get to moon a secret service helo flying around hedgesville



Your friends mom sounds like a really classy dame.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 6:12:55 AM EST
Theres a difference between exercising your !st Right, and exercising it while "on company time". From the article it sounds like the company provided tickets to him, therefore he was "on the companys time" as it were. He was a direct representation of his company, who paid for him to go.
I occasionally badmouth the company i work for when I think they do something stupid or out of line, but I for DAMNED sure dont do it while their paying me, or while I'm somewhere they've paid for me to attend......
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 6:13:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/22/2004 6:14:38 AM EST by SHIVAN]
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 6:20:15 AM EST
Man, at an event representing his employer, provides poor company image through his actions, get's fired is more like it.

When you go someplace on your employer's dime, you are representing your employer.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 6:28:10 AM EST
Yep. You're right. You're representing your employer. And employers say the same thing, even when you aren't on their clock.

Here in my local community, there is a guy who was just given an ultimatum to stop posting his views on a local political discussion website.

He never once posted on company time, and he never posted anything about his employer (US Bank). The local bank corp, even though owned by US Bank, is still partly owned by the shareholders of the previous company. These people are bigwigs in the local community, who hate the existence of the political website. They found out about this guy's participation in the site, and they put leverage on the bank to dismiss him or they would pull out their money.

The guy chose to leave the bank rather than stop exercising his civil rights.

I know all of this because I run the local political website.

Once again, gestapo tactics of the old guard GOP....
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 6:30:19 AM EST
Remember don't pull stunts on someone elses dime.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 6:30:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/22/2004 6:33:46 AM EST by COZ]

Originally Posted By fixer:
shit! too bad it's in W. Va or i'd send 'em my resume!




Originally Posted By skipperJ:
Stay in Nevada, we don't want you here.



+1 peckerlips, We don't want you here!
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 6:35:53 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/22/2004 6:36:29 AM EST by EricTheHun]
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 6:45:56 AM EST
I do not, nor will I ever believe that supporting any one man or even the party itself should usurp another person's right to express their own political views, whatever they may be.

It makes no difference whether the opposing side is one degree removed from my own, or if it is diametrically in opposition.

The concept of winning at all costs, including getting people fired from their jobs for simply expressing an alternative or even ridiculous political viewpoint is not one to which I subscribe.

What happens when it's YOUR views that are in question and YOUR job at stake?
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 6:49:30 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 6:50:56 AM EST

Originally Posted By BenDover:
I do not, nor will I ever believe that supporting any one man or even the party itself should usurp another person's right to express their own political views, whatever they may be.

It makes no difference whether the opposing side is one degree removed from my own, or if it is diametrically in opposition.

The concept of winning at all costs, including getting people fired from their jobs for simply expressing an alternative or even ridiculous political viewpoint is not one to which I subscribe.

What happens when it's YOUR views that are in question and YOUR job at stake?



This isnt so much about expressing views as it is expressing views while your on your companies time. In a proffesional office, you dont go in wearing shorts and a T-shirt, you wear business casual. On YOUR time hell run around in pink panties for all anyone cares.
When you go to outside events on the companies dime, you represent them. If you cant say something nice, dont say it at all. On YOUR time at those events, scream and yell all you want.

This person was at the event due to the generosity of his employer. They had every right to fire him. Had he purchased his own ticket and not gotten one from his company, it would be a completely different case.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 7:04:35 AM EST
I suppose that I can accept the fact that it was a ticket from the employer. I don't know about WV but Ohio is a at-will employment state, and you can be released for any reason the employer deems fit. That's a fact of life that everyone has to consider.

I just wonder what the response of the employer had been if it had been a John Kerry rally. Say that Republican employer got tickets to see Kerry from a client. Not giving much of a crap about it, they still hand out the tickets to an employee who behaves in a disruptive fashion.

Would GOP employer still fire the employee if the Dem client was upset over their actions?

No ETH... I am not going to resign my precinct seat from the GOP.

I am working to change the party from within (to a great degree of success I might add...)
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 7:07:30 AM EST
dumbass
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 7:09:03 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 7:11:52 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 7:19:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/22/2004 7:20:21 AM EST by BenDover]
Oh those weren't just ANY committeemen... Bob Bennett is the head of the Ohio GOP...



He is as crooked as a dog's hind leg. His secret bank accounts to hide the new soft money have been found in a bunch of counties, and there are some people now under endictment for following his orders.

Give Beekeep1 a call. He'll fill you in on some of the drama I've told him about here in Ohio.

They aren't calling it a battleground state for nothing... the party is split split split....
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 7:46:41 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 7:58:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/22/2004 7:59:20 AM EST by BenDover]
Nice... a Staff Member behaving in such a fashion. Would calling my refusal to follow along with your political views 'infantile' constitute a personal attack?

ETH... I can take it or else I wouldn't be on here dishing it out.

By the same token, I don't know if you have the same ability... otherwise, you wouldn't respond to my very docile, but very disagreeing post with such vitriol of your own.

Ben(TellingItLikeItREALLYIsFor3YearsN­ow)Dover
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 8:03:34 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 8:08:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By BenDover:
The concept of winning at all costs, including getting people fired from their jobs for simply expressing an alternative or even ridiculous political viewpoint is not one to which I subscribe.

What happens when it's YOUR views that are in question and YOUR job at stake?


The meathead wasn't fired for his views, he was fired for making a scene and disrupting an event, even after being asked to stop.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 8:13:24 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/22/2004 8:16:03 AM EST by BenDover]

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:

Originally Posted By BenDover:
Nice... a Staff Member behaving in such a fashion. Would calling my refusal to follow along with your political views 'infantile' constitute a personal attack?

ETH... I can take it or else I wouldn't be on here dishing it out.

By the same token, I don't know if you have the same ability... otherwise, you wouldn't respond to my very docile, but very disagreeing post with such vitriol of your own.

Ben(TellingItLikeItREALLYIsFor3YearsN­ow)Dover


I'm not responding to the drivel that you posted in this thread, Ben, but that nonsensical drivel that you posted here a few days ago.

Remember?

If you have a problem with me, just contact Senior Staff....I think you know the drill quite well!

Eric The(MemoryLikeAGOPElephant)Hun



Oh... that drivel response where a Senior Staff member - AND Mods - also jumped in and started attacking as well.... for me not having broken any COC guidelines.... (verified by anothe Senior Staff Member)

Don't worry, I did contact a member of Senior Staff.

It must have been one of those 'drinking moments' on your part. I can let it go.

How about you?

You are indeed a poster boy for the current GOP and their tactics... and the current GOP is far from anything similar to Ronald Reagan's GOP.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 8:14:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By BenDover:


Once again, gestapo tactics of the old guard GOP....




You are not well informed on reality let alone the Constitution.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 8:15:53 AM EST
We are moving to Berkeley springs W VA in about two weeks. I REALLY hope I run into this clown.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 8:26:02 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/22/2004 8:26:49 AM EST by 7point62_AssAssin]

Originally Posted By furball75:

Last month, Charleston City Council apologized to two protesters arrested for wearing anti-Bush T-shirts to the president's July 4 rally. The pair were taken from the event in restraints after revealing T-shirts with Bush's name crossed out on the front and the words "Love America, Hate Bush" on the back. Trespassing charges were ultimately dismissed.



I find this to be much more bothersome.....being escorted out of a convention & later fired for making comments is very different from being arrested for wearing a T-Shirt.....
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 8:28:01 AM EST
Why... that sort of thing doesn't happen in America does it?
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 8:28:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/22/2004 8:32:07 AM EST by EricTheHun]
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 8:34:41 AM EST
I love it.... now you've got the typical... "you had to go run and tell on me" attitude of typical GOP bullies. You'd only feel that way if you knew you were on the wrong side. Nope... no bullies fucked with me in grammar school. In fact, I fought to protect other kids from bullies back then too.

How about these tactics for starters.

Funnelling illegal money into secret bank accounts at the state level that have been discovered and resulted in endictments of people who were following the State GOP head's orders.... for starters.

Montgomery County, Ohio... Dayton... look it up.

Fairfield County, Ohio GOP corruption throughout... resulted in endictments of over 300 offenses of multiple parties.

Shall I keep going?

There's a long list here in Ohio -- the split state.

Oh... and the guys who were arrested for wearing T-Shirts.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 8:39:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/22/2004 8:42:54 AM EST by jblachly]
ATTENTION ETH and BENDOVER


*SHUT * UP

Link Posted: 8/22/2004 8:40:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/22/2004 8:40:43 AM EST by EricTheHun]
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 8:43:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:

Originally Posted By BenDover:
I love it.... now you've got the typical... "you had to go run and tell on me" attitude of typical GOP bullies. You'd only feel that way if you knew you were on the wrong side. Nope... no bullies fucked with me in grammar school. In fact, I fought to protect other kids from bullies back then too.

How about these tactics for starters.

Funnelling illegal money into secret bank accounts at the state level that have been discovered and resulted in endictments of people who were following the State GOP head's orders.... for starters.

Montgomery County, Ohio... Dayton... look it up.

Fairfield County, Ohio GOP corruption throughout... resulted in endictments of over 300 offenses of multiple parties.

Shall I keep going?

There's a long list here in Ohio -- the split state.

Oh... and the guys who were arrested for wearing T-Shirts.


So you are talking OHIO, fercryingoutloud?

OHIO?

The rest of the Country be damned, it's what's happening in OHIO that's so thoroughly gotten your goat?

Pardon us, if the rest of the Country doesn't share in your pique and your little temper tantrum!

Sheeesh!

Eric The(ThinkNationally,ActLocally)Hun




TAKE IT TO IM
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 8:46:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By BenDover:
NOTICE

Please send all of your firearms to the nearest Homeland Defense center for Collection of Weapons of Mass Destruction.

It has been determined that since the First Amendment is no longer a relevant concept in our New World Order, the Second Amendment is no longer necessary. All legal private ownership of bullethoses will cease to exist.

Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.

Why is it that people who apparently dislike the current administration have such a hard time understanding the concept of the "right to free speech"? As in "CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW..." Not "Employers shall not dismiss..."

If I say or do something that hacks off an important customer, I'd expect to get the axe from my employer regardless of whether it was over a political topic or anything else.

Now, if you want to discuss the McCain-Feingold corruption Campaign Finance Reform law, there we might have something to discuss.
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 8:48:04 AM EST
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