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Posted: 7/12/2009 6:58:49 AM EST
PA State Police (aka Rendell) to DEMAND

AR-15 Rifle Registration

The situation with AR-15 rifles is as follows: over the past several months I've been informed by gun dealers across the state of Pennsylvania that the Pennsylvania State police have been informing them that they must now register AR-15 rifles and other identifying information on the record of sale form just like they do with handguns. The interesting part of this is that they are failed to provide anything in writing. As time has progressed the Pennsylvania State police have been informing dealers that the release of this radical, illegal shift in policy would be forthcoming in the FFL dealer’s newsletter in mid July.

Fast forward to this week; two days ago I was informed by George Romanoff of Ace Sporting Goods and a representative of the National Shooting Sports Foundation that gun dealers would be notified of this new policy within two weeks.

The essence of this argument is that Pennsylvania law does not allow them (meaning to do it is ‘against’ the law) to demand this information and specifically excludes long gun, rifle and shotgun, from the requirement to complete the record of sale form for these purchases. Pennsylvania firearms dealers who comply with this policy dictate could, technically, themselves, be guilty of violating Pennsylvania law (which is a misdemeanor 1 crime-see section 6119) along with the Pennsylvania State police. PA Law (Title 18) States in pertinent part (see below):

§6111. Sale or transfer of firearms.

(1.4) Following implementation of the instantaneous records check by the Pennsylvania State Police on or before December 1, 1998, no application/record of sale shall be completed for the purchase or transfer of a firearm which exceeds the barrel lengths set forth in section 6102.

§6102. Definitions.

"Firearm." . . . .any shotgun with a barrel length less than 18 inches or any rifle with a barrel length less than 16 inches, or any pistol, revolver, rifle or shotgun with an overall length of less than 26 inches.

As you can see from the above sections of law, the Pennsylvania State Police have NO authority or justification for this new policy. Frankly this is a war that is being conducted and waged against gun owners in this state that originates directly from the executive office mansion and Ed Rendell.

It is, and has been, our position that the Pennsylvania Instant Check System (PICS) is an anachronism and an unnecessarily expensive distraction in this modern age and needs to be disbanded. We can turn over the functions of firearms instant checks to the National Instant Check System (NICS) which will not only do it for free but with far less complications to the gun buyer as well as the FFL dealer. The national instant check system is utilized by 38 states without any demonstrable problems.

There will be much, much more coming out in the next several weeks and I ask for your help in notifying gun owners about this problem. I know gun owners will wonder why this is a problem but let me give you an example of a situation that could be encountered by any owner of these firearms. If you are traveling home or to arrange and get stopped by a police officer for any reason and during the course of this stop he sees that you have firearms in your vehicle. It is more than likely that he/she will decide to run each firearm against the Pennsylvania State police record of sale database (you know that illegal one that they continue to maintain at a cost to PA Taxpayers of over $500,000 a year). When the report comes back to the officer in the field that your favorite AR-15 is not registered in this Pennsylvania State Police Gun Registration System then in all likelihood what you will face is arrest and seizure of your property until "legal ownership" can be established, even though no crime has been committed other than the prejudice demonstrated by the particular law enforcement officer question. I know, when talking to gun owners, what you will encounter is that they will say this can't happen. Let me tell you I have in my files dozens of incidents (from ALL over the state) where gun owners encountered this very kind of attitude and even worse treatment than mentioned in my simple explanation.

As Dirty Harry would say, “do you (we) feel lucky”?
Link Posted: 7/12/2009 7:01:30 AM EST

Rendell is an idiot
Link Posted: 7/12/2009 7:16:46 AM EST
Calling him an idiot is a compliment IMHO
Link Posted: 7/13/2009 5:50:54 AM EST

So much for escaping to PA from NJ
Link Posted: 7/13/2009 5:55:28 AM EST

Now, I assume this should target more then AR-15s as what about AKs, UZIs, FALs, AR-10s, etc?

This will almost certainly get shot down here in PA but everybody does need to do their part to ensure it reaches a timely death and that a clear message is sent to the idiots that propose such stupidity.
Link Posted: 7/13/2009 5:58:07 AM EST
Oh waite, that language reminds me of something similar I had seen that STRIPPED RECEIVERS needed to be registered this way. The reason I had heard was that the Police didn't know if the lower would be built as a rifle or pistol. I wonder if this is in relation to that?

Still, a receiver is not a pistol BUT I can unserstand that more then all AR-15s...
Link Posted: 7/13/2009 6:52:31 AM EST
Gov. Rendell and his buddies from Philadelphia would like nothing more than to turn Pennsylvania into another New Jersey. Red State PA needs to wake up before the Philly/Pitt set turns us into NJ, NY, MD, etc.
Link Posted: 7/13/2009 7:10:59 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/13/2009 9:00:10 AM EST by WildApple]

Register all AR-15's.....how bout mini-14's?

Sounds the state police imposing laws bypassing the system in place to protect our voice.
Link Posted: 7/13/2009 11:26:47 AM EST
Can we get the source of this article, please?
Link Posted: 7/13/2009 11:37:23 AM EST
Link Posted: 7/13/2009 11:38:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/13/2009 11:38:45 AM EST by WildApple]
Originally Posted By PennsylvaniaExpat:
Can we get the source of this article, please?

Ace Firearms

I called these guys about it earlier
Link Posted: 7/13/2009 7:01:57 PM EST
Soure of this was FOAC Firearms Owners Against Crime Kim Stolfer runs this in the Pittsburgh area
Link Posted: 7/15/2009 4:46:40 AM EST
Link Posted: 7/15/2009 11:31:31 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/20/2009 6:37:02 AM EST by PennsylvaniaExpat]
Originally Posted By ericmm00:

I once considered dancing on someone's grave, but when the old man actually passed, I just didn't care anymore.
Link Posted: 7/16/2009 5:50:29 PM EST
This is real and I just found out the hard way. Did a receiver transaction and had to fill out the second paper.The PA State Police form for a handgun sale asking caliber ,barrel length ,manuf etc. The Dealer told me ahead of time that I had to fill out 2 forms? He was told to do this by the ATF from what I understand but it is a PA state police form for a handgun purchase. I guess when he originally protested this he was told he can be in buisness or not be in buisness! You have been warned! From the original statement that was posted IT IS FOR REAL!
Link Posted: 7/19/2009 2:20:23 AM EST
I asked my ffl about this and he showed me the letter from the State Police. The same rules apply to a T/C contender or encore of any configuration according to him.
Link Posted: 7/19/2009 2:55:33 AM EST
He is a tool or a statue in his mind. Typical crooked self-absorbed politician.
Link Posted: 7/19/2009 3:38:05 AM EST
Link Posted: 7/24/2009 1:42:03 AM EST
Good old fast Eddie, what can we do to fight this stupidity.
Link Posted: 7/26/2009 10:51:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By MP15T:

Rendell is an idiot
You guys *may* not have to worry about him much longer...


Would love to have some PA perspective in the thread.
Link Posted: 7/26/2009 11:05:41 AM EST
Originally Posted By wise_jake:

Originally Posted By MP15T:

Rendell is an idiot
You guys *may* not have to worry about him much longer...


Would love to have some PA perspective in the thread.

Here's some perspective: I wouldn't be too upset if Fast Eddie had an aneurysm and expired, say, five minutes from now.

The truth is, the overwhelming majority of the state is pro gun, and this kind of crap won't continue for long. It does bother me that the Pa State Police's leadership is in bed with this POS, considering that the Troopers I've known would be dead against any kind of back door shit like these clowns are trying to pull.
Link Posted: 8/1/2009 9:15:05 AM EST
So can an 18 year old legally take possession of an AR-15 rifle or not? What if they already have? Just curious......and confused
Link Posted: 8/2/2009 3:46:29 PM EST
If they already have the AR registered to them then the PASP are going to have a hard time proving that they're doing anything wrong, especially with no written law dictating that this bull shit is in effect, right?. Now if the minor purchased the gun privately then I'm not sure how it would be handled.
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