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Posted: 11/30/2014 2:00:30 AM EDT
So I went out of town this week and with the Fergadishu stuff going on, I thought about taking an AR with me.  But I ran into trouble because all of mine are SBRs now and I don't have any 14.5 + pinned or 16 inch uppers.  I didn't have anything to take, so I didn't take anything but my glock.

This got me thinking about buying or building one.  Now, I want something I can rely on, but also something that I'm not going to care about throwing around and dinging up.  With that in mind, I thought about trying to pick up those PSA deals this past Friday to put together that ultra-cheap AR, but I didn't because I'm not sure I trust their uppers and maybe not their lowers.

Ideally, I think I'd like to buy a few quality used parts and build it up.  A lower and an upper that are already pretty beat up/have that "thrown down the driveway" essence is what I have in mind I guess.  Preferably BCM, Colt, DD, or LMT.

Now, I know I can buy a 6920 every once in a while for $799 online.  That's not a bad option.  But since I'm going to beat the shit out of it anyway, I wouldn't mind having a beat up one to start with if it saves me even more dough.

So what do you all think?  Should I just out up a WTB ad in the EE for a complete rifle that's a little beat up or individual parts?  Or should I be looking at something else?  I know I could probably get an Anderson or PSA lower pretty cheap and throw a decent LPK in it and pick up an upper.

But again, keep in mind, I intend this to be a trunk gun that I can throw around and will primarily be used if shit hits the fan.  I don't want to really put questionable or out of spec parts in it, though I don't care if it looks like absolute shit.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 2:04:55 AM EDT
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I believe everyone should have a trunk gun just in case. I like the carbine I have as it shares common caliber with the handgun I keep in center console all the time, but that is just my preference. Just get and keep "something" to protect yourself or your family.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 2:10:47 AM EDT
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I'm about to SBR all of my existing AR lowers.

My plan is to build up a pinned 14.5" lightweight BCM upper on a finished 80% lower in case I want to cross state lines with one without paperwork.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 2:11:29 AM EDT
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Good luck finding a used 6920 for less than what you can find a new one for. It seems like people are trying to.seek their Colts for more than Wal-Mart, Buds, and the like are seeking them for.

PSA is good to go, they'll fix any problems of you have any.

Look for some cheapo M&P15 Sports on Armslist, etc... as another option to consider
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 2:12:02 AM EDT
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Where does one keep a trunk gun in a SUV?
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 2:13:02 AM EDT
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I was in the same situation as you OP, all my rifles are now SBR'd. Grabbed an 870 for the truck for last weeks shindig. SAA had a deal last week for a complete upper I liked for $350, added an Anderson lower and I'll have my truck rifle.  Originally I've always had a 7" AR pistol in the truck, just used the pistol buffer tube, well before braces were out.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 2:13:21 AM EDT
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Truck gun is one I won't be too upset about loosing but has to still go bang
PTAC and takeoff parts all the way.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 2:16:19 AM EDT
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I don't own any SBRs. Was the problem that you were going out of state, or is there some other restriction I don't know about?
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 2:22:16 AM EDT
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I've never gotten a bad part from PSA (not PTAC).  Piece something together from the daily deals and you could have a quality, reliable gun for under 700 easy.



My 'beater' ar was right around 700 with optic and sling.  Blem receivers and handguard, PSA lpk, bcm barrel on sale.  It goes bang every time and it's my go-to AR now.  It's very close to being my favorite AR.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 2:22:43 AM EDT
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Truck gun is one I won't be too upset about loosing but has to still go bang
PTAC and takeoff parts all the way.


I've heard TERRIBLE things about PTAC stuff...

How can I possibly rely on that?  It's fine for target shooting and fucking around, I'm just not sure I'd trust my life to a PTAC product.  That's why I hesitate.

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I don't own any SBRs. Was the problem that you were going out of state, or is there some other restriction I don't know about?


Exactly, I should have clarified.  I went from FL to around New Orleans.  Since I didn't have form 20s filed for that area and I left under such short notice, I couldn't take any AR I had.  And I won't take my AK (Arsenal SAM-7 Classic) because it's so nice.  That's a safe queen.

Link Posted: 11/30/2014 2:23:06 AM EDT
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Assuming that the category of NFA firearm is allowed in the destination state...

If you have a state that you travel to often, you can always complete ATF Form 5320.20.  While I haven't done it yet, my reading has indicated that it is possible to get approval for a year at a time, and you must re-apply annually.

In the "reason" box, write "All lawful purposes" as a catch-all.  You do have to list a destination address, however.

I'll be completing a ATF Form 5320.20 for a NFA firearm in a few weeks, and I am listing my friend's firing range as the destination.  As it is, I live in one state, and work/have most of my interactions in the neighboring state.

ETA:  There is no fee associated with filing the form, but it may take a few weeks to get approval.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 2:25:33 AM EDT
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No reason to buy used unless you come across a distress sale. It's easy enough to plug in an LPK and find a quality upper at a decent price, especially this time of year.



My cheapest AR cost me $600 brand new and I fucking love that thing.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 2:26:17 AM EDT
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S&W M&P 15 sport. Mine has been flawless every single round and I keep it around as a last resort for any reason. But it runs solid.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 2:26:23 AM EDT
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Why the trunk? I keep my broken down AR on the seat next to me to and from the range. At least here in California, you can keep a cased rifle in the front seat with you as long as it's unloaded. My trunk gun is an M&P 15 Sport. I wouldn't risk my Daniel Defense.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 2:27:22 AM EDT
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Good luck finding a used 6920 for less than what you can find a new one for. It seems like people are trying to.seek their Colts for more than Wal-Mart, Buds, and the like are seeking them for.

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Yeah, that's my problem I guess.  That one place was selling magpul 6920s online for $799.  That's like $850 for me after fees, etc. which isn't bad at all.  I'll be damned if I'm going to pay anywhere near that to some guy with a used one though.  $700 shipped might get a deal like that done if a little beat up, but you're right.  People have the idea in their head that it's worth what Walmart is pricing them at.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 2:31:33 AM EDT
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Why the trunk? I keep my broken down AR on the seat next to me to and from the range. At least here in California, you can keep a cased rifle in the front seat with you as long as it's unloaded.
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It's probably no quicker to open a case and assemble a rifle than it is to pop the trunk.




The benefit is less exposure with a trunk gun.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 2:33:53 AM EDT
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S&W M&P 15 sport. Mine has been flawless every single round and I keep it around as a last resort for any reason. But it runs solid.


I actually used to have a Sport and I loved that thing.  I regret selling it.

It is going to be beat to shit though, as I say, and that means thrown in the dirt with no regard for where it lands, etc.  It's really a beater gun, as well as a car/truck/trunk gun.  With that in mind, I'd prefer the rifle I buy to actually have the dust cover.

But I will be considering the sport, no question.  I really did love that gun.


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Why the trunk? I keep my broken down AR on the seat next to me to and from the range. At least here in California, you can keep a cased rifle in the front seat with you as long as it's unloaded.


Well for me, one main reason I guess (aside from the clutter) and that is that I don't like that it's easily seen either when driving or parked.  I prefer not to be thought of as a crazy person or be targeted for theft by people who see it sitting in my front seat.  Cased or not, it's going to draw that attention in my area.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 2:36:01 AM EDT
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16" psa PTAC kit + anderson lower.  Total cost around $400 if you're doing it right.  You're out less than the price of a new glock if it gets stolen.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 2:40:10 AM EDT
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My ideal find is either a complete beat up Colt or BCM rifle OR

A beat up standard BCM or Colt 16 inch or 14.5 inch upper w/bcg and magpul sights for like $400 shipped and

A beat up, chewed apart BCM or Colt complete lower for like $200-250.

Substitute DD or LMT in as options as well.

I just think that sort of setup represents better value than the sport or some other options like the PSA for a little less money.  That is, if beat up quality stuff like that can be found for reasonable prices.

Link Posted: 11/30/2014 2:40:57 AM EDT
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I had a really hard time passing up the PSA 308 Carbine for $699.

But my 10.5" pistol works wonders under the back seat of my truck .
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 2:42:19 AM EDT
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Again, I'm not sure I trust the PTAC stuff.  The Anderson is GTG.

My entire collection is well-insured, so if it gets stolen, I'm out the same amount for the cheap gun as a $6000 dream rifle: $250 for the deductible.  So there's no real incentive to base the decision on how much I'd lose if it was stolen.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 2:48:22 AM EDT
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Go with an AR pistol.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 2:48:43 AM EDT
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I suppose I could do a pistol type build with a sig brace and just slap one of my short uppers on it for trips...

Still, I'd prefer to have a dedicated one for beating the shit out of and for car duty.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 2:49:29 AM EDT
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Again, I'm not sure I trust the PTAC stuff.  The Anderson is GTG.

My entire collection is well-insured, so if it gets stolen, I'm out the same amount for the cheap gun as a $6000 dream rifle: $250 for the deductible.  So there's no real incentive to base the decision on how much I'd lose if it was stolen.
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16" psa PTAC kit + anderson lower.  Total cost around $400 if you're doing it right.  You're out less than the price of a new glock if it gets stolen.


Again, I'm not sure I trust the PTAC stuff.  The Anderson is GTG.

My entire collection is well-insured, so if it gets stolen, I'm out the same amount for the cheap gun as a $6000 dream rifle: $250 for the deductible.  So there's no real incentive to base the decision on how much I'd lose if it was stolen.



If cost is no issue I'm not sure why you're asking.  BCM complete rifle.  Or dare I say a Haley Jack Carbine
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 2:50:45 AM EDT
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I find it interesting that we will KISS a trunk/truck gun and go all out for the range/safe queen. I being one of them.
My trunk AR, PSA lower, colt pencil barrel 16' magpul furniture and arms 40 rear sight.
Love the gun, nothing to really fail and I strongly believe that I would more then likely be in a situation while I had that rifle then the others.  I take it camping, traveling etc etc. but I've spent 1/4 less on it.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 2:55:28 AM EDT
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If cost is no issue I'm not sure why you're asking.  BCM complete rifle.  Or dare I say a Haley Jack Carbine
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16" psa PTAC kit + anderson lower.  Total cost around $400 if you're doing it right.  You're out less than the price of a new glock if it gets stolen.


Again, I'm not sure I trust the PTAC stuff.  The Anderson is GTG.

My entire collection is well-insured, so if it gets stolen, I'm out the same amount for the cheap gun as a $6000 dream rifle: $250 for the deductible.  So there's no real incentive to base the decision on how much I'd lose if it was stolen.



If cost is no issue I'm not sure why you're asking.  BCM complete rifle.  Or dare I say a Haley Jack Carbine


Haha cost isn't an issue as far as a LOSS is concerned because I'm insured.  That doesn't mean that I want to spend a ton on a rifle I'm going to beat up anyway though.

I just want a quality rifle that is in poor cosmetic shape at a reduced price.  Quality as in I could take it into a war zone or a major gunfight and I could rely on it, which is to say, a high standard.  I just don't think PTAC stuff is good for anything but blasting cans and paper at a range.  The S&W Sport is a gun I love, but it doesn't have the dust cover.

It's a matter of finding the right setup at the right condition and price.  The gun can look like absolute shit, like it was dropped off the back of a truck onto a highway at 70 mph.  5 times.  And have scratches and everything all over it.  Ah long as the damage is only cosmetic and not a function issue, that's what I'm looking for,
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I find it interesting that we will KISS a trunk/truck gun and go all out for the range/safe queen. I being one of them.
My trunk AR, PSA lower, colt pencil barrel 16' magpul furniture and arms 40 rear sight.
Love the gun, nothing to really fail and I strongly believe that I would more then likely be in a situation while I had that rifle then the others.  I take it camping, traveling etc etc. but I've spent 1/4 less on it.
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I agree, it is pretty funny.  My safe queens generally have some sort of collector value to them, which is why I go all out pricewise and feel comfortable doing so.  I brought up the Arsenal AK earlier, which has a similar following to the polytech legend.  That damn thing isn't going anywhere near my trunk in anything but a nice case haha.  The rest of my rifles are nice, but I couldn't use them for this purpose.  I realize I have a gaping hole in my collection at the moment and I'm trying to fill it right now haha,

I just don't see the point in spending $1000-1100 on a brand new rifle from BCM, Colt, DD, or LMT only for my first acts with it to be literally throwing it in the car/truck bed, onto the ground with all the dirt and mud, and down the driveway a few times.  The thing is going to get beat up.  You don't buy a brand new range rover to go to the demolition derby with...the paint is going to get scratched, it's probably going to get dented, etc.  Thus, you buy the used range rover that already has the scratches and the dents so you don't pay nearly full price for it and you don't feel bad about adding a few extra scratches.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 3:02:52 AM EDT
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I'm using one of the $600 pistols (brace included) from PA as my trunk gun.   Just had to throw some sights on it.





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Haha cost isn't an issue as far as a LOSS is concerned because I'm insured.  That doesn't mean that I want to spend a ton on a rifle I'm going to beat up anyway though.

I just want a quality rifle that is in poor cosmetic shape at a reduced price.  Quality as in I could take it into a war zone or a major gunfight and I could rely on it, which is to say, a high standard.  I just don't think PTAC stuff is good for anything but blasting cans and paper at a range.  The S&W Sport is a gun I love, but it doesn't have the dust cover.

It's a matter of finding the right setup at the right condition and price.  The gun can look like absolute shit, like it was dropped off the back of a truck onto a highway at 70 mph.  5 times.  And have scratches and everything all over it.  Ah long as the damage is only cosmetic and not a function issue, that's what I'm looking for,
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16" psa PTAC kit + anderson lower.  Total cost around $400 if you're doing it right.  You're out less than the price of a new glock if it gets stolen.


Again, I'm not sure I trust the PTAC stuff.  The Anderson is GTG.

My entire collection is well-insured, so if it gets stolen, I'm out the same amount for the cheap gun as a $6000 dream rifle: $250 for the deductible.  So there's no real incentive to base the decision on how much I'd lose if it was stolen.



If cost is no issue I'm not sure why you're asking.  BCM complete rifle.  Or dare I say a Haley Jack Carbine


Haha cost isn't an issue as far as a LOSS is concerned because I'm insured.  That doesn't mean that I want to spend a ton on a rifle I'm going to beat up anyway though.

I just want a quality rifle that is in poor cosmetic shape at a reduced price.  Quality as in I could take it into a war zone or a major gunfight and I could rely on it, which is to say, a high standard.  I just don't think PTAC stuff is good for anything but blasting cans and paper at a range.  The S&W Sport is a gun I love, but it doesn't have the dust cover.

It's a matter of finding the right setup at the right condition and price.  The gun can look like absolute shit, like it was dropped off the back of a truck onto a highway at 70 mph.  5 times.  And have scratches and everything all over it.  Ah long as the damage is only cosmetic and not a function issue, that's what I'm looking for,


I gotchya I gotchya.

May be worth finding stuff piece by piece then? blemished lower and upper. Beat to shit furniture/rails (long ago I sold gnarly beat up larue rails on the EE for a steal, so it does happen).

spend your money on a good bolt, barrel and internals.  You know enough to know that already.    IDK man, plenty of options.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 3:07:11 AM EDT
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Some fruitbat states won't let you keep a chambered shotgun or rifle in a motor vehicle, just fyi.

Now an AR pistol isn't a rifle, according to law... wonder how those morons would interpret that?
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 3:11:22 AM EDT
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I'm using one of the $600 pistols (brace included) from PA as my trunk gun.   Just had to throw some sights on it.




Well I hesitate on a pistol build for two reasons.  

1).  Some states I may travel to may have varying laws on how a pistol that isn't concealed on your person is to be transported.  Pistols put me into a realm of law that long guns, IMO, don't.  Long gun transport seems to be less restrictive as far as method, etc. and doesn't cause as many headaches.  

2). I don't want to run across that one stupid cop that thinks that what I have is illegal because it's so short and looks like an SBR, who detains or arrests me, etc. because he doesn't know the deal.  Nothing screams "scary gun" to the uninformed as much as a short barrel AR.



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I gotchya I gotchya.

May be worth finding stuff piece by piece then? blemished lower and upper. Beat to shit furniture/rails (long ago I sold gnarly beat up larue rails on the EE for a steal, so it does happen).

spend your money on a good bolt, barrel and internals.  You know enough to know that already.    IDK man, plenty of options.


Exactly.  Except there's some stuff I don't even need.  For instance, I don't even want a rail.  A standard carbine or magpul moe handguard is just fine.  I'm not going to out an optic on it either...just running irons.  There's less to go wrong that way I think, and it's way cheaper.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 3:12:43 AM EDT
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Are there any of those DPMS Iraq bring backs still around?  Skip the PTAC but the regular PSA uppers and lowers are usually Aero- same as a lot of other manufactures use.  Stag occasionally puts their stuff on sale too.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 3:17:11 AM EDT
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SIG brace on an AR pistol build. Preferably no smaller barrel than 11.5". Velocities really start to drop off once you go smaller than 11". However, there is only about 75-120 fps or so difference between velocities from an 11.5" barrel and a 14.5" barrel.
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I understand.  It doesn't have to be chambered, just there along with a few mags.

I don't predict fergusson type stuff happening very often, but I realized this past week as a travelled that I was entering a city not too far from St. Louis/Fergusson that has a large African American demographic and that that could spell some trouble.  I don't say that as a racist or anything.  I'm just looking at it objectively, though I know I might take flak for profiling or something.  But I didn't feel too comfortable with only the glock to be honest.

I don't want to be caught in a situation again where I don't have a gun in the car that can be used if things get really, really bad really quick.  It doesn't have to be chambered, or even loaded.  That's what my pistol is on my hip for.  The rifle simply has to be there.
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Are there any of those DPMS Iraq bring backs still around?  Skip the PTAC but the regular PSA uppers and lowers are usually Aero- same as a lot of other manufactures use.  Stag occasionally puts their stuff on sale too.


Then that might be an option then.  I'd prefer to stay with the established really solid brands like I mentioned, but if PSA is really getting vouched for this much I'll probably take a second look.  I probably don't want to have anything to do with DPMS, bringback or not...

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SIG brace on an AR pistol build. Preferably no smaller barrel than 11.5". Velocities really start to drop off once you go smaller than 11". However, there is only about 75-120 fps or so difference between velocities from an 11.5" barrel and a 14.5" barrel.


See above why I want to steer clear or AR pistols
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 3:24:57 AM EDT
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Gotta get some shut eye, gents.  If anyone else has any more suggestions or comes across anything that looks like it might be up my alley, please post it up.  I'll try and respond to everyone some time tomorrow morning.
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with sigbrace
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If you can afford it, I vote just to buy new the cheapest known good quality rifle (Colt and Spikes come to mind) at the best price you can get it, put a couple hundred rounds down the pipe to make you sure in your head of its reliability, and then- seriously- scratch it up. drop it a few times. lean it up against the shooting bench and push it over.

Theres a story every mechanic tells about "a guy he worked with once", who does body work. Everytime he finishes painting a car for himself, the story goes, he whacks the fender with a ballpeen hammer. Now the stigma of a fresh paint job is gone, and he doesnt have worry about parking lot dings and shit.
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Gotta get some shut eye, gents.  If anyone else has any more suggestions or comes across anything that looks like it might be up my alley, please post it up.  I'll try and respond to everyone some time tomorrow morning.




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I actually used to have a Sport and I loved that thing.  I regret selling
It is going to be beat to shit though, as I say, and that means thrown in the dirt with no regard for where it lands, etc.  It's really a beater gun, as well as a car/truck/trunk gun.  With that in mind, I'd prefer the rifle I buy to actually have the dust cover.

But I will be considering the sport, no question.  I really did love that gun.




Well for me, one main reason I guess (aside from the clutter) and that is that I don't like that it's easily seen either when driving or parked.  I prefer not to be thought of as a crazy person or be targeted for theft by people who see it sitting in my front seat.  Cased or not, it's going to draw that attention in my area.
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S&W M&P 15 sport. Mine has been flawless every single round and I keep it around as a last resort for any reason. But it runs solid.


I actually used to have a Sport and I loved that thing.  I regret selling
It is going to be beat to shit though, as I say, and that means thrown in the dirt with no regard for where it lands, etc.  It's really a beater gun, as well as a car/truck/trunk gun.  With that in mind, I'd prefer the rifle I buy to actually have the dust cover.

But I will be considering the sport, no question.  I really did love that gun.


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Why the trunk? I keep my broken down AR on the seat next to me to and from the range. At least here in California, you can keep a cased rifle in the front seat with you as long as it's unloaded.


Well for me, one main reason I guess (aside from the clutter) and that is that I don't like that it's easily seen either when driving or parked.  I prefer not to be thought of as a crazy person or be targeted for theft by people who see it sitting in my front seat.  Cased or not, it's going to draw that attention in my area.



Why are you going to be throwing your rifle around with no regard for where it lands? If you take care of your equipment it will take care of you. It sounds like you are hung up on wanting the cosmetic look of a battle worn rifle, is that right? My truck gun stays in a soft case and looks and functions great because I take care of it and don't throw it down the driveway for no reason.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 7:41:50 AM EDT
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Before I deployed about a month ago i saw S&W ARs that were basically army M4 clones selling for $600. If I was going to build, I would go with a pistol with that brace thing. All that being said, why not just get a cheap pump shotgun from a pawn shop or a sks or something like that? My truck gun is a crack barrel 20 gauge I bought at a yard sale for $50. If it get stolen from behind the seat I will be more pissed about the window that got broke in order to steal it. YMMV.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 7:54:39 AM EDT
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Some fruitbat states won't let you keep a chambered shotgun or rifle in a motor vehicle, just fyi.





Now an AR pistol isn't a rifle, according to law... wonder how those morons would interpret that?
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With your CCW , a pistol can be kept loaded inside a vehicle or on your person , here in Maine.

 






I keep an AK pistol and seven mags in my truck....I also keep copies of the ATF letters explaining what the pistols are and even an old ad for them being sold for the cops that have been living under a rock.




Your own state's laws may vary.

 
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 7:57:05 AM EDT
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Truck gun is one I won't be too upset about loosing but has to still go bang
PTAC and takeoff parts all the way.
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+1. This.  The only thing I do to the PTAC is use Flitz on a cloth and polish the chamber
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 8:10:16 AM EDT
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With your CCW , a pistol can be kept loaded inside a vehicle or on your person , here in Maine.  

I keep an AK pistol and seven mags in my truck....I also keep copies of the ATF letters explaining what the pistols are and even an old ad for them being sold for the cops that have been living under a rock.

Your own state's laws may vary.
 
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This is the way to go in my opinion. I'm not thinking I'll likely ever need a rifle, but if I do there's not much that an AK pistol won't manage.  It is a ton of firepower in a little package, and an excellent illustration of why the NFA (and most gun laws) is stupid and arbitrary.  


Link Posted: 11/30/2014 8:18:07 AM EDT
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PSA premium stuff is GTG. I have one complete Mega build and one complete PSA with the hammer forged barrel. You can get the upper for under $300 on sale or from AIM Surplus for a good price, a good bcg and a PSA blem lower for $129. Add a rear buis of your choosing and you're under $600 for a rifle with all quality parts. If shtf I would have zero reservations about taking the PSA.

The Mega is nicer looking and more accurate (because the barrel is free floated and melonite vs. chrome lined) but that's it. Honestly, I'm picky as hell when it comes to potential reliability issues with anything, from guns to vehicles. I sometimes think about it too much, and I trust that rifle.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 8:41:16 AM EDT
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If the shtf  are you truly going to worry about your guns at home in the safe?

The difference between a 600 gu. And a 900 gun is not much, just buy a decent model and call it a day


I want to depend on my weapon, and if the shtf truly, I certainly hope I am not carrying my yard sale special, while all my reliable guns are home, oiled and Clean.
Link Posted: 11/30/2014 8:49:49 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 11/30/2014 9:25:07 AM EDT
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I guess I would just throw it in the back floor of my VW GTI.
Not much of a trunk.
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