One of my employees failed to heed the mantra "Don't invite the police into your life" and got arrested after calling the police about a dispute he had with another individual (a very minor issue).

Apparently he had an unpaid speeding ticket from 5 years ago or something and when the police showed up they found out and arrested him.  He got bounced between two or three police departments before ending up in a county jail.

I learned a few things:

- No one I spoke to seemed to know much of anything beyond the very basics.  (Example: Why was he arrested?  Warrants.  What were the warrants for? I'm not sure. How old are the warrants? I don't really know.)

- Things move pretty slow.  There was a sign on the wall saying please allow _several hours_ for processing to get people out of jail.

- Bail bondsmen seem to charge a pretty high price for what they do.  

- Those phones you can talk to the prisoners through the glass don't have very good sound quality for being hardwired together.

- When someone calls you from prison a recorded voice interrupts every minute or so to remind you that the call is subject to recording and snooping.

- After only 6 hours of being locked up, a half bag of M&M's were a welcome sight and quickly devoured by a newly sprung knucklehead.

I came away from the experience with a pretty low opinion of the system.   I am, however, going to redouble my efforts to not cut off those tags on my mattresses to avoid a similar fate.

He probably won't make that mistake again

BTDT. Had a family member picked up for outstanding warrants, and they never even knew they'd been charged.

Quoted: One of my employees failed to heed the mantra "Don't invite the police into your life" and got arrested after calling the police about a dispute he had with another individual (a very minor issue). Apparently he had an unpaid speeding ticket from 5 years ago or something and when the police showed up they found out and arrested him.  He got bounced between two or three police departments before ending up in a county jail. I learned a few things: - No one in the justice system seems to know much of anything beyond the very basics.  (Example: Why was he arrested?  Warrants.  What were the warrants for? I'm not sure. How old are the warrants? I don't really know.) -

Pretty bold statement. The cop(s) who arrested him really only need to know if a person has a warrant and if it's permitted or not.

The justice system is much more than the PD.

Quoted: BTDT. Had a family member picked up for outstanding warrants, and they never even knew they'd been charged.

This happens ALOT more than people realize!

Quoted: Quoted: One of my employees failed to heed the mantra "Don't invite the police into your life" and got arrested after calling the police about a dispute he had with another individual (a very minor issue). Apparently he had an unpaid speeding ticket from 5 years ago or something and when the police showed up they found out and arrested him.  He got bounced between two or three police departments before ending up in a county jail. I learned a few things: - No one in the justice system seems to know much of anything beyond the very basics.  (Example: Why was he arrested?  Warrants.  What were the warrants for? I'm not sure. How old are the warrants? I don't really know.) - Pretty bold statement. The cop(s) who arrested him really only need to know if a person has a warrant and if it's permitted or not. The justice system is much more than the PD.

Scarily enough, in my situation, they court couldn't even tell us what they were really wanted for - just a vague offense category that seemed to include everything from "crimes against livestock" all the way to "theft of carbon footprint"

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: One of my employees failed to heed the mantra "Don't invite the police into your life" and got arrested after calling the police about a dispute he had with another individual (a very minor issue). Apparently he had an unpaid speeding ticket from 5 years ago or something and when the police showed up they found out and arrested him.  He got bounced between two or three police departments before ending up in a county jail. I learned a few things: - No one in the justice system seems to know much of anything beyond the very basics.  (Example: Why was he arrested?  Warrants.  What were the warrants for? I'm not sure. How old are the warrants? I don't really know.) - Pretty bold statement. The cop(s) who arrested him really only need to know if a person has a warrant and if it's permitted or not. The justice system is much more than the PD. Scarily enough, in my situation, they court couldn't even tell us what they were really wanted for - just a vague offense category that seemed to include everything from "crimes against livestock" all the way to "theft of carbon footprint"

and to think I was assaulted at gun point and the two who assaulted me have yet to go to jail.

Quoted: Quoted: One of my employees failed to heed the mantra "Don't invite the police into your life" and got arrested after calling the police about a dispute he had with another individual (a very minor issue). Apparently he had an unpaid speeding ticket from 5 years ago or something and when the police showed up they found out and arrested him.  He got bounced between two or three police departments before ending up in a county jail. I learned a few things: - No one in the justice system seems to know much of anything beyond the very basics.  (Example: Why was he arrested?  Warrants.  What were the warrants for? I'm not sure. How old are the warrants? I don't really know.) - Pretty bold statement. The cop(s) who arrested him really only need to know if a person has a warrant and if it's permitted or not. The justice system is much more than the PD.

I mistakenly hit enter before completing my post.  That original sentence has been changed in my original post.


edit: Had to edit this post twice now to get the quoting right.

Quoted: Quoted: One of my employees failed to heed the mantra "Don't invite the police into your life" and got arrested after calling the police about a dispute he had with another individual (a very minor issue). Apparently he had an unpaid speeding ticket from 5 years ago or something and when the police showed up they found out and arrested him.  He got bounced between two or three police departments before ending up in a county jail. I learned a few things: - No one in the justice system seems to know much of anything beyond the very basics.  (Example: Why was he arrested?  Warrants.  What were the warrants for? I'm not sure. How old are the warrants? I don't really know.) - Pretty bold statement. The cop(s) who arrested him really only need to know if a person has a warrant and if it's permitted or not. The justice system is much more than the PD.

Yep. a bench warrant is a court order from a judge to every police officer in the state to arrest that person if they come into contact with him. The cops dont care what the warrant is for, why it was issued, when it was issued, ect.

Warrants are great for removing people from a problem situation that can and most likely will escalate if they are not seperated.  Tough shit for him, pay your tickets.

"Justice System"


Now, there's an oxymoron for ya.

Quoted: Quoted: One of my employees failed to heed the mantra "Don't invite the police into your life" and got arrested after calling the police about a dispute he had with another individual (a very minor issue). Apparently he had an unpaid speeding ticket from 5 years ago or something and when the police showed up they found out and arrested him.  He got bounced between two or three police departments before ending up in a county jail. I learned a few things: - No one in the justice system seems to know much of anything beyond the very basics.  (Example: Why was he arrested?  Warrants.  What were the warrants for? I'm not sure. How old are the warrants? I don't really know.) - Pretty bold statement. The cop(s) who arrested him really only need to know if a person has a warrant and if it's permitted or not. The justice system is much more than the PD.

Exactly. Usually, the only information on the warrant is the case number, whether it is a bench or contempt warrant, the original charge and a signature from a Judge indicating they saw probable cause for an arrest. Beyond that, my answer is usually "I don't know".

Quoted: Warrants are great for removing people from a problem situation that can and most likely will escalate if they are not seperated.  Tough shit for him, pay your tickets.

+1

Quoted: "Justice System" Now, there's an oxymoron for ya.

An oxymoron is a figure of speech that combines two normally contradictory terms. I don't see where those are contradictory.

Here are a few.

20. Government Organization
19. Alone Together
18. Personal Computer
17. Silent Scream
16. Living Dead
15. Same Difference
14. Taped Live
13. Plastic Glasses
12. Tight Slacks
11. Peace Force
10. Pretty Ugly
9. Head Butt
8. Working Vacation
7. Tax Return
6. Virtual Reality
5. Dodge Ram
4. Work Party
3. Jumbo Shrimp
2. Healthy Tan
1. Microsoft Works

Only lesson I see in this is pay your fucking tickets and other outstanding bills.  99.99999% of the time if your are a normal joe that DOESN'T HAVE OUTSTANDING WARRANTS they you have nothing to fear from the police.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: One of my employees failed to heed the mantra "Don't invite the police into your life" and got arrested after calling the police about a dispute he had with another individual (a very minor issue). Apparently he had an unpaid speeding ticket from 5 years ago or something and when the police showed up they found out and arrested him.  He got bounced between two or three police departments before ending up in a county jail. I learned a few things: - No one in the justice system seems to know much of anything beyond the very basics.  (Example: Why was he arrested?  Warrants.  What were the warrants for? I'm not sure. How old are the warrants? I don't really know.) - Pretty bold statement. The cop(s) who arrested him really only need to know if a person has a warrant and if it's permitted or not. The justice system is much more than the PD. Exactly. Usually, the only information on the warrant is the case number, whether it is a bench or contempt warrant, the original charge and a signature from a Judge indicating they saw probable cause for an arrest. Beyond that, my answer is usually "I don't know".

Is it realistic to expect that an arresting officer or booking CO know the ins and outs of the case they are arresting or processing? That's retarded.

Never read a post titled "First taste of our justice system yesterday" right after reading the Oozinator thread.  Makes you want to respond to the thread title with this:

Er,thanks for sharing-Aimless

Quoted: Friend of mine got arrested after his wife threw a jewelry box at him and split his nose open... He was the one who called 911. Know why they arrested him and not her? It was a DV call and since he was bigger... he was the DOMINANT aggressor. He got to spend father's day weekend in jail. Dont invite the law into your personal life to break up your marital fights. If you feel your fight with your SO is getting out of hand... walk out and cool off.

yeah no shit, say goodbye to gun rights, purchasing from a dealer and that nifty concealed weapons license

Quoted: Only lesson I see in this is pay your fucking tickets and other outstanding bills.  99.99999% of the time if your are a normal joe that DOESN'T HAVE OUTSTANDING WARRANTS they you have nothing to fear from the police.

No kidding.  Its not like they won't work with you.  I sent in 5 bucks a month for over a year on one of my tickets back in my single Mom days.

Patty

All we need to know are the basics. We don't care what the warrants are for if in fact they are active, and we don't care how old they are. Alot of people don't take care of their shit and then piss and moan when they wind up in jail on old warrants. Most people are basically ignorant and that means job security for those in law enforcement and corrections. I thank god every day for the ignorant and unwashed.

Quoted: Is it realistic to expect that an arresting officer or booking CO know the ins and outs of the case they are arresting or processing? That's retarded.

I'm not talking about the arresting officer.  The several people I spoke to across three jurisdictions and at the jail itself couldn't provide any information other than the one or two word description in their computers.

You'd think the people at the actual JAIL would be able to give a better answer than "He's got a warrant in ABC city, not sure for what, or how long it's been out there.  All I know is you have to pay $X to get him out."

Quoted: Quoted: Is it realistic to expect that an arresting officer or booking CO know the ins and outs of the case they are arresting or processing? That's retarded. I'm not talking about the arresting officer.  The several people I spoke to across three jurisdictions and at the jail itself couldn't provide any information other than the one or two word description in their computers. You'd think the people at the actual JAIL would be able to give a better answer than "He's got a warrant in ABC city, not sure for what, or how long it's been out there.  All I know is you have to pay $X to get him out."

I can tell you about that from experience. I as well as our jailers look at the same thing. What the warrant is for, date issued, and bond amount. Nothing else. Anything else goes through the court, specifically the judge signing the warrant and the clerk.

Jails don't issue warrants or have any more to do with them than the arresting officer.

Quoted: "Justice System" Now, there's an oxymoron for ya.

Its not a Justice system

Its a Legal system

Quoted:  All I know is you have to pay $X to get him out."

Isn't it funny that the system has no difficulty providing this particular bit of information, yet everything else is "a bit sketchy?"

It really depends
There are:
Bench Warrants<-Unless from the same county the information to the peace officer is limited. These can be very vauge and some people can have legimiate reasons fo not knowing they have them.. Example a business owner moved out of state and had a civil lawsuit, was ordered to appear and never got served (lots of states have very lax process serving procedure) gets pulled over and finds out that there is a bench warrant. This all depends on what kind of mood the judge is in and how big of a dick they are. Some bench warrants have a bond others do not. People come down hard on the po po but often times the Judges and Clerks are the ones who cause the discomfort

Arrest Warrants <-Instate has the agency that entered, original charge, bond, and if they will extradidte, Out of state gets more sketchy most departments will not arrest unless the agency that issiued:
a confirms the warrant
b confirms that they will extradite

Sometimes they are for probation/parole violation =no bond

Mental Health Warrants <-


On and on



OP, w/o knowing more details we can;t really tell if you were being jerked arround or not.

ETA: Most jails want to get folks out as fast as possibe as they are all overcrowded

Quoted: Quoted: Is it realistic to expect that an arresting officer or booking CO know the ins and outs of the case they are arresting or processing? That's retarded. I'm not talking about the arresting officer.  The several people I spoke to across three jurisdictions and at the jail itself couldn't provide any information other than the one or two word description in their computers. You'd think the people at the actual JAIL would be able to give a better answer than "He's got a warrant in ABC city, not sure for what, or how long it's been out there.  All I know is you have to pay $X to get him out."

Howabout calling ABC city's court and asking them.

Quoted: Quoted: Jails don't issue warrants or have any more to do with them than the arresting officer. Yeah the jail personnel are really the wrong people to talk to about stuff like that. In my county they would generally look up what the charge was for for most people, but in a larger city all they are going to want to know is whether you have the right amount of bail, anything else is really between you and the judge. I've been in a ton of jails and prisons and still never gotten to talk on the phone to someont through the plexiglass screen like you see in the movies. Turning not taking care of tickets and insurance into criminal offenses has really created a big boom in Law Enforcement. It is staggering the number of "criminals" who are people who did not take care of a traffic ticket or fine.

yup it's all about increasing the budget, nothing to do with "justice"

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: One of my employees failed to heed the mantra "Don't invite the police into your life" and got arrested after calling the police about a dispute he had with another individual (a very minor issue). Apparently he had an unpaid speeding ticket from 5 years ago or something and when the police showed up they found out and arrested him.  He got bounced between two or three police departments before ending up in a county jail. I learned a few things: - No one in the justice system seems to know much of anything beyond the very basics.  (Example: Why was he arrested?  Warrants.  What were the warrants for? I'm not sure. How old are the warrants? I don't really know.) - Pretty bold statement. The cop(s) who arrested him really only need to know if a person has a warrant and if it's permitted or not. The justice system is much more than the PD. Yep. a bench warrant is a court order from a judge to every police officer in the state to arrest that person if they come into contact with him. The cops dont care what the warrant is for, why it was issued, when it was issued, if they even arrested the correct person, ect.

Fix'd.