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Posted: 8/27/2005 5:15:42 AM EDT



Those guys at rense.com crack me up.


If anyone else cares to wade through the shit below it's good for a chuckle.


www.rense.com/general67/radfdf.htm

High-Ranking Army Officer - Missile Hit Pentagon
Radiation Expert Claims High-Radiation Readings Near Pentagon After 9/11 Indicates Depleted Uranium Used.
By Greg Szymanski
8-19-5


Two high profile radiation experts concur Pentagon strike involved use of a missile. Also Geiger counter readings right after the attack shows high levels of radiation 12 miles away from Pentagon crash site.

A radiation expert and high-ranking Army Major, who once headed the military's depleted uranium project, both contend the Pentagon was hit by missile, not a commercial jetliner, adding high radiation readings after the strike indicate depleted uranium also may have been used.

"I'm not an explosives or crash site expert, but I am highly knowledgeable in causes and effects related to nuclear radiation contamination. What happened at the Pentagon is highly suspicious, leading me to believe a missile with a depleted uranium warhead may have been used," said radiation expert Leuren Moret in a telephone conversation this week from her Berkeley, CA home.

Moret, who has spent a life time working in the nuclear field, first as a staff scientist at the Livermore Nuclear Weapons Laboratory in California, is now a member of The Radiation and Public Health Project (RPHP), a privately funded group studying the devastating effects of depleted uranium especially in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Regarding the missile theory, it is also backed up by retired Army Maj. Doug Rokke, a PhD educational physics and former top military expert banished from the Pentagon after the military failed to follow regulations regarding the use, clean up and medical treatment regarding the use of depleted uranium.

"When you look at the whole thing, especially the crash site void of airplane parts, the size of the hole left in the building and the fact the projectile's impact penetrated numerous concrete walls, it looks like the work of a missile," said Maj. Rokke from his Rantoul, IL home this week. "And when you look at the damage, it was obviously a missile. Also, if you look at the WTC and the disturbing flash hitting the tower right before the impact of the airplane, it also looks like a missile was used."

And to prove the government's jetliner theory is wrong, Moret said the quick actions of a friend near the Pentagon on the morning of 9/11, provide even more suspicion.

Moret recalls on the tragic morning that once she saw the jetliner strike the twin towers and then heard about the Pentagon crash, she immediately called a close friend in Alexandria VA, Dr. Janette Sherman.

Thinking radiation might be involved, she quickly asked Dr. Sherman, 77, a radiation expert and medical doctor who lived about 12 miles from the crash site, to get a Geiger counter reading.

What the pair of experts found is astonishing. What they found is not only astonishing but four years after 9/11, what's even more incredible is that their findings have been completely ignored by most everyone, including the Bush administration, the 9/11 Commission and the mainstream media, all who appear more interested in rubber stamping the official 9/11 story then getting at the real truth.

"Dr. Sherman was downwind from the Pentagon on 9/11 and her Geiger counter readings show an extremely high reading, a reading of more than eight to ten times higher than normal," said Moret, also an expert in the cause and effects of depleted uranium.

"Dr. Sherman, who is well-respected radiation expert herself, then went about contacting the proper authorities in order to try and alert emergency responders of the radiation risk at the Pentagon crash site. And we have also kept photos of the Geiger counter readings in order to verify what Dr. Sherman found 12 miles away."

After notifying the Nuclear Industrial Safety Agency (NIRS), experts from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the FBI were alerted and according to Moret, radiation experts later confirmed high radiation levels at the Pentagon crash site possibly from the presence from depleted uranium or other unknown causes.

But what disturbed Moret most has been the Bush administration's lack of concern and its failure to mount a thorough investigation into what really caused the high radiation levels, saying perhaps the findings might reveal something contrary to the official story that a jetliner rammed through 12 Pentagon walls of solid concrete.

"Even if there was depleted uranium used, do you think the likes of Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld would really care? These are bottom feeders that 20 or 30 years ago wouldn't have been even allowed to set foot in such high positions of power," said Moret.

Although Dr. Sherman's Geiger counter can't be a conclusive finding, another nuclear radiation expert, Marion Fulk, agrees the positive reading, if anything, is suspicious.

"It definitely looks suspicious but of course many factors have to be considered before a conclusion is reached," said Fulk in a telephone conversation this week. "The type of Geiger counter used by Dr. Sherman needs to be looked at as well as the possibility of the true source of the radiation, whether it is depleted uranium in a missile, ballast in the airplane or within the structure of the building hit."

Even though no one can be sure, one thing positive is the Bush administration never really seriously cared about addressing the possibility of depleted uranium at the Pentagon just like it cares little about the same problem at the World Trade Center and in the war fields of Iraq and Afghanistan.

And, more recently, Moret, Fulk and Maj. Rokke, along with Dennis Kyne, Bob Jones and Mark Zeller, have provided documentation for an explosive video written and produced by Joyce Riley and William Lewis called "Beyond Treason," providing an in depth look at depleted uranium used in the Gulf Wars and its likelihood of causing numerous civilian and military illnesses.

"It has been determined that the equivalent of more than 400,000 Nagasaki bombs has been released in the middle east since 1991," said Moret, citing a report and subsequent speech at a 2000 depleted uranium conference given by Professor Yagasaki, a physicist and well-respected nuclear radiation expert.

And in the 89 minute video, exploring a massive government cover up, Riley and Lewis point out the unexplained illnesses in civilians and military personal may be the cause of depleted uranium or perhaps a combination of overlapping causes, including chemical and biological exposure and the use of experimental vaccines.

The writers of Beyond Treason, added:

"The ailing Gulf War heroes from all 27 coalition countries slowly die from of "unknown causes," they wait for answers from their respective governments, but no satisfying or even credible answers have come forth from the military establishment. Records that span over a decade point to negligence and even culpability on the part of the U.S. Department of Defense and their disposable army" mentality.

"The VA has determined that 250,000 troops are now permanently disabled, 15,000 troops are dead and over 425,000 are ill and slowly dying from what the Department of Defense still calls a mystery disease. How many more will have to die before action is taken?"

And in February, 2004, a conference called "Dialogues with Decision Makers" was held in New Delhi, India, where a group of experts gathered for the prevention of nuclear war and looked closely at the depleted uranium problem in the Middle East.

Admiral Vishnu Bhagwat, former chief of the Naval Staff in India, reported the following shocking details about the effects of depleted uranium:

"In the 2003 war, the Iraqi's were subjected to the Pentagon's radioactive arsenal, mainly in the urban centers, unlike in the deserts in 1991. The aggregate effects of illnesses and long term disabilities and genetic birth defects will be apparent only 2008 onwards. "By now, half of all the 697,000 US soldiers involved in the 1991 war have reported serious illnesses. According the American Gulf War Veterans Association, more than 30% of these soldiers are chronically ill, and receiving disability benefits from the Veterans Administration.

"Near the Republican Palace where US troops stood guard and over 1000 employees walked in and out, the radiation readings were the hottest in Iraq, at nearly 1900 times background radiation levels.

"At a roadside stand, selling fresh bunches of parsley, mint, and onions, children played on a burnt out Iraqi tank just outside Baghdad, the Geiger counter registered 1000 times normal background radiation.

"The Pentagon and the United Nations estimate that the US and Britain used 1,100 to 2,200 tons of armor piercing shells made of DU during attacks in March-April 2003, far more than the 1991 Gulf War (this does not include air dispensed DU munitions and missiles)," wrote the Post Intelligencer.

"The long term effects, as Dr Asaf Durakovic elaborates, after the early neurological symptoms are cancer, and related radiation illnesses such as chronic fatigue syndrome, joint and muscle pain, neurological and/or nerve damage, mood disturbances, auto-immune deficiencies, lung and kidney damage, vision problems, skin rupture, increase in miscarriages, maternal mortality and genetic birth defects/deformation.

"For years the US government described the Gulf War Syndrome as a post traumatic stress disorder. It was labeled as a psychological problem or simply as mysterious unrelated ailments much in the same way as health problems of Vietnam veterans suffering from Agent Orange poisoning."


For more informative articles, go to www.arcticbeacon.com. Greg Szymanski Powered by CityMak

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/31824.htm

"It is a truth that a terrorist can attack any time, any place, using any technique and it's physically impossible to defend at every time and every place against every conceivable technique. Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filed with our citizens, and the MISSILE to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center. The only way to deal with this problem is by taking the battle to the terrorists, wherever they are, and dealing with them."

Donald Rumsfeld answering Parade Magazine reporter Lyric Wallwork Winik in Pentagon Press Conference Oct.12, 2001. (Posted on the Pentagon website)

http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/rumsfeld-warnings.htm
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 5:17:53 AM EDT
I've seen a video that could just about convince you that it was a missle that hit then pentagon and not a plane. But where'd that plane go?



Also, I believe that depleted uranium had no radiation.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 5:23:55 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 5:28:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:
I've seen a video that could just about convince you that it was a missle that hit then pentagon and not a plane. But where'd that plane go?




Absolutely. Occams Razor.
While theres alot of things suspect about the whole "a plane hit the Pentagon", the simple fact is if it wasnt a plane that hit the Pentagon there where the hell is the plane??
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 5:29:15 AM EDT
I believe them

Link Posted: 8/27/2005 5:41:02 AM EDT
Sounds like I better go get treated.....
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 5:42:01 AM EDT
Depleted uranium is sometimes used to make aircraft counterweights.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 5:43:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:
I've seen a video that could just about convince you that it was a missle that hit then pentagon and not a plane. But where'd that plane go?




Absolutely. Occams Razor.
While theres alot of things suspect about the whole "a plane hit the Pentagon", the simple fact is if it wasnt a plane that hit the Pentagon there where the hell is the plane??



It was carried out in bunch of small pieces.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 5:45:06 AM EDT
Is anybody stupid enough to believe this sh*t?
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 5:46:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
While theres alot of things suspect about the whole "a plane hit the Pentagon"



Really though, there aren't. The proof is overwhelming. The only questions are by nutcases.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 5:54:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen:
Is anybody stupid enough to believe this sh*t?



A whole lot of folks. A goodly number of them gun owners.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 5:58:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Stillie:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:
I've seen a video that could just about convince you that it was a missle that hit then pentagon and not a plane. But where'd that plane go?




Absolutely. Occams Razor.
While theres alot of things suspect about the whole "a plane hit the Pentagon", the simple fact is if it wasnt a plane that hit the Pentagon there where the hell is the plane??



It was carried out in bunch of small pieces.



I mean if you buy into the whole "It wasnt a plane" argument.
As in, if it wasnt a plane that hit the Pentagon, there where the fuck is the plane??
Pretty damned hard to hide an entire 747 or what the hell ever it was.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 7:30:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
I mean if you buy into the whole "It wasnt a plane" argument.
As in, if it wasnt a plane that hit the Pentagon, there where the fuck is the plane??
Pretty damned hard to hide an entire 747 or what the hell ever it was.




They hid it in the Bermuda Triangle.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 7:49:08 AM EDT
I think if you have a photo of the geiger counter readings from 12 miles away that's all the proof I would need.

"Dr. Sherman, who is well-respected radiation expert herself, then went about contacting the proper authorities in order to try and alert emergency responders of the radiation risk at the Pentagon crash site. And we have also kept photos of the Geiger counter readings in order to verify what Dr. Sherman found 12 miles away."
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 7:51:56 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 7:53:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Johninaustin:

Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen:
Is anybody stupid enough to believe this sh*t?



A whole lot of folks. A goodly number of them gun owners.



And speaking of gun owners, let's not knock rense.com.....www.rense.com/general62/gns.htm

I think they're on the cutting edge of reason here.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 7:56:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By nightstalker:

Originally Posted By Johninaustin:

Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen:
Is anybody stupid enough to believe this sh*t?



A whole lot of folks. A goodly number of them gun owners.



And speaking of gun owners, let's not knock rense.com.....www.rense.com/general62/gns.htm

I think they're on the cutting edge of reason here.



Just because they are supporters of gun rights doesn't prove they aren't still nutbaskets.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 8:08:07 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 8:14:48 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 8:14:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Johninaustin:

Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen:
Is anybody stupid enough to believe this sh*t?



A whole lot of folks. A goodly number of them gun owners arfcom members.



Some of the wackist, most offensive crap I've seen about 9/11, including an accusation that FDNY personell were a big part of a cover up, came from members of this board.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 8:16:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/27/2005 8:16:31 AM EDT by Painter]
I thought that the conspiracy was that a different type of plane hit the pentagon. I remember it a while back. Like some navy plane, and that the pieces found around the site were not what was credited as hitting it.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 8:16:39 AM EDT
Complete nutcases.

Depleted Uranium is a low level alpha emitter, which isn't even detectable with typical radiation measuring equipment. The bullshit meter, however, is pegged.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 8:19:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/27/2005 8:23:50 AM EDT by Painter]
Someone posted this link a while back: Makes a good case for a 757 hitting the Pentagon
www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/911_pentagon_757_plane_evidence.html
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 8:37:32 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 8:44:11 AM EDT

Anyone that doubts a commercial airliner hit the Pentagon is either frighteningly misinformed or ignorant of the facts, incredibly stupid, or an enemy of the United States with an agenda.

Can't really think of any other possibilities
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 11:29:08 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 11:30:26 AM EDT
High ranking? Majors push mops around the Pentagon.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 11:32:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Black_Talon:
img385.imageshack.us/img385/6372/pentstrike31fd.gif



That could be anything. And just because two other jet liners hit the WTC a few minutes before the Pentagon was hit, doesn't mean that they were connected.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 11:47:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Steve_T_M:
Depleted uranium is sometimes used to make aircraft counterweights.

Exactly!
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 12:07:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Anyone that doubts a commercial airliner hit the Pentagon is either frighteningly misinformed or ignorant of the facts, incredibly stupid, or an enemy of the United States with an agenda.

Can't really think of any other possibilities




Severe mental illness that needs treatment.



Good point
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 12:18:18 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 12:28:24 PM EDT
*IF* that is what happened--then why aren't there 'skid' marks on the grass before the pentagon.

Don't forget the HEIGHT of the 'plane' that supposedly hit the building--the impact zone was on the 2nd floor IIRC. Thats not even half of the height of a 757.

Link Posted: 8/27/2005 12:36:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JHill:
*IF* that is what happened--then why aren't there 'skid' marks on the grass before the pentagon.

Don't forget the HEIGHT of the 'plane' that supposedly hit the building--the impact zone was on the 2nd floor IIRC. Thats not even half of the height of a 757.


You're either baiting, or incredibly stupid.

The plane hit AT the second floor, dummy.



What is it with you morons?
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 12:40:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:
I've seen a video that could just about convince you that it was a missle that hit then pentagon and not a plane. But where'd that plane go?



Also, I believe that depleted uranium had no radiation.



Wrong, on impact DU can be an Alpha emitter.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 12:42:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Black_Talon:
img385.imageshack.us/img385/6372/pentstrike31fd.gif



This proves nothing..

<­BR>






Link Posted: 8/27/2005 12:42:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/27/2005 1:48:12 PM EDT by napalm]

Originally Posted By Paul:

"Even if there was depleted uranium used, do you think the likes of Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld would really care? These are bottom feeders that 20 or 30 years ago wouldn't have been even allowed to set foot in such high positions of power," said Moret.


'nuff said?

Sounds like a major asshole more than a major.





Oh yeah, because Gerald Ford was such a shining example to us all.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 12:42:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 12:42:46 PM EDT
I know several people that saw the plane hit the Pentagon after it flew over their building.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 12:43:26 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 12:54:12 PM EDT
I heard some retards at Ground Zero saying it was a missile. Un-fucking-believable.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 1:10:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 4:59:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JHill:
*IF* that is what happened--then why aren't there 'skid' marks on the grass before the pentagon.



The skid marks are elsewhere...check your old underwear.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 4:59:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DzlBenz:

Originally Posted By JHill:
*IF* that is what happened--then why aren't there 'skid' marks on the grass before the pentagon.

Don't forget the HEIGHT of the 'plane' that supposedly hit the building--the impact zone was on the 2nd floor IIRC. Thats not even half of the height of a 757.


You're either baiting, or incredibly stupid.



You're limiting your options. Why couldn't it be both?
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 5:17:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Black_Talon:
img385.imageshack.us/img385/6372/pentstrike31fd.gif


Looks like an airliner to me.

Link Posted: 10/4/2005 5:06:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/4/2005 5:19:28 AM EDT by pathfinder74]
This is probably as good a place as any to put this link up.

Click here
"Where is flight 77's Boeing 757?"

This is probably as tin foil hat as you can get. Not sure what to believe and what not to believe in it.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 6:01:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Specop_007:


I mean if you buy into the whole "It wasnt a plane" argument.
As in, if it wasnt a plane that hit the Pentagon, there where the fuck is the plane??
Pretty damned hard to hide an entire 747 or what the hell ever it was.



Most people look at an airliner and see a massive mettal machine.

However, in reality an airliner is mostly empty space surrounded by a thin sheet metal skin. Have you ever seen the video of the B-52 that crashed while the pilot was practicing for an airshow? It illustrates the principle well. The airplane seemed to "melt" into the ground.

The most substantial parts of an aircraft are the landing gear and engines. Having a fair amount of mass, they'd be propelled farther into the building by their momentum while the airframe disintegrates into bitty pieces.

Nothing magical here.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 6:14:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Brohawk:
The most substantial parts of an aircraft are the landing gear and engines. Having a fair amount of mass, they'd be propelled farther into the building by their momentum while the airframe disintegrates into bitty pieces.

Nothing magical here.



Going by some of the images on that little Flash movie, the hole in the side of the Pentagon shows no sign of the wings or engine even hitting the wall. And it is pretty weird how the "thing sheet metal" frame of the plane penetrates (was it) three rings? The Pentagin is a fricking fortess.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 6:28:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

Originally Posted By Black_Talon:
img385.imageshack.us/img385/6372/pentstrike31fd.gif


Looks like an airliner to me.




That is an airliner, however that video has been heavily doctored. There was no plane in the real images. The security camera only took a picture every second or half-second. The plane flew into the building between shots. All you see in the security video is one frame of normal and the next frame, the plane has already hit, and you see the beginnings of the explosion. I know it was a plane that hit and not a missile, but that video posted above is a forgery.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 6:39:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By pathfinder74:
Going by some of the images on that little Flash movie, the hole in the side of the Pentagon shows no sign of the wings or engine even hitting the wall. And it is pretty weird how the "thing sheet metal" frame of the plane penetrates (was it) three rings? The Pentagin is a fricking fortess.



Are you referring to the movie that Black_Talon posted? It's a fake.

The plane penetrated because it was a 220,000 lb. mass moving at 480 mph. That's a heck of a lot of kenetic energy. The room it hit directly was a huge cubicle farm with support pillars and no solid walls. Once it was through the outer wall (which had a lot of windows in it), the plane had smooth sailing for quite a distance in as it destroyed support columns and was ripped apart by the columns that held.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 6:52:03 AM EDT
I guess they painted the missle in American Airlines colors.

Link Posted: 10/4/2005 6:53:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/4/2005 6:53:36 AM EDT by Gloftoe]
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