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Posted: 12/8/2016 8:10:47 PM EDT
From GUN CONTROL by  Robert J. Kukla
edited by Harlon B. Carter Past President National Rifle Association
Copyright © 1973 by National Rifle Association of America

In the period immediately following the assassination of Senator Robert Kennedy a special national committee was established for the purpose of stampeding gun registration through the Congress. The special group was the action-arm of the National Council for a Responsible Firearms Policy, previously mentioned. It was headed by former astronaut John Glenn, who claimed to have been a personal friend of Senator Robert Kennedy. The Chicago's American of June 20, 1968, reported on the meeting which had been held in the office of the U.S. Attorney General resulting in the formation of the group:

"Officials of the N.C.R.F.P. and representatives of 38 organizations met this week with United States Atty. Gen. Ramsey Clark in Washington to discuss firearms control. After the meeting, Clark announced that a committee of the council had been formed to enlist support from the public and organizations thruout the country. The committee is known as the emergency committee for gun control of the National Council for a Responsible Firearms Policy."

Moving rapidly, John Glenn, Chairman of the Emergency Committee for Gun Control of the National Council for a Responsible Firearms Policy, called a press conference at which he demanded registration of all guns and the licensing of all those who owned or used guns, in addition to a complete ban on the interstate sale and shipment of firearms to private citizens.

Before long the John Glenn Emergency Committee for Gun Control was generating advertisements promoting gun registration, issuing press releases designed to enlist public support for the proposals of the Emergency Committee, soliciting broadcasting stations around the country to make spot announcements and editorials favoring gun registration, and arranging for speeches and public appearances on behalf of gun prohibition—deceptively called gun control.

Another product of the Emergency Committee for Gun Control was a full page magazine ad which included a convenient clip-out coupon to be mailed by readers to their Senators or Congressman, plus a solicitation of cash contributions to help the program. The ad opened in this compelling manner:

"You're a good citizen. You don't break laws. You're responsible about guns. You like to hunt. To target shoot. No one has the right to take your gun away. We agree. And no one wants to. What we do want to do is take guns away from convicted murderers, thieves, psychopaths, delinquents, alcoholics and drug addicts." (New Chronicle Pub. Co., Los Angeles, Cal.)
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In the meanwhile, the House voted down gun registration on July 19, 1968, and on July 23, 1968, it rejected by a vote of 179 to 84 an amendment which would have required licensing of gun owners. The next day, July 24, 1968, the House passed the bill prohibiting interstate mail order sales of rifles and shotguns by a vote of 304 to 118. This last bill was also accompanied by three very important amendments. One amendment which passed by 218 votes to 205 exempted rifle and shotgun ammunition from the bill, thus making its ban applicable only to pistol and revolver ammunition. Another amendment provided for a special license for gun collectors so that they might have access to out of state sources and markets for collector-type firearms. The preceding amendment was affirmed by a 225 to 198 vote and it exempted shipments of firearms and ammunition by the Secretary of the Army to organizations, institutions, or individuals qualified to receive them pursuant to the various programs of the Civilian Marksmanship Program of the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice.

Immediately the amendment exempting the Civilian Marksmanship Program was attacked. John Glenn issued a statement on behalf of the Emergency Committee for Gun Control demanding the elimination of the amendment, reportedly asserting:

"It is a curious result of congressional inadvertance and the National Rifle Association contempt for our process of government." (Pensacola, Fla., News: July 29, 1968)
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The planks of the Glenn Committee:

You must help stop the killing. Demand rigid gun laws. Laws that:

1. restrict hand guns and ammunition to law enforcement and military use-and to private citizens who meet reasonable official qualifications.

2. require registration of all guns and ammunition sold.

3. forbid all mail order sales of guns and ammunition. You can do something. Write your Congressmen. (Or sign this ad and send it.)

It can't wait.


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These are the ads that the John Glenn Emergency Committee for Gun Control was running roughly forty years ago.

Ad One
Ad Two
Ad Three
Ad Four
Ad Five

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The CSGV Adulatory Facebook Post on Glenn:



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Ramsey Clark Urges Senators to Support the Registration of Firearms
By JOHN W. FINNEY
Special to The New York Times
Jun 27, 1968

....(EXCERPTED)....

In arguing for stronger controls, Colonel Glenn, a friend of Senator Kennedy's, recalled how it had been his "awful duty" to tell six children of the Senator that their father had been killed.

"We simply cannot permit such senseless killing to continue," he said. "We must do all we can to prevent those who should not have guns from getting them."

Colonel Glenn said that the Emergency Committee, composed of prominent citizens, took the position that at the minimum an "effective" bill must contain registration and licensing as well as a ban on interstate sales.

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To give you an idea of what John Glenn was using his fame as an astronaut to fight for in the 1960s:

If you don't believe that LBJ's message is authentic, go here

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=28954

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The New York Times
Jun 25, 1968
Cover Page and Page 24

PRESIDENT CALLS FOR REGISTERING OF ALL FIREARMS

PLEA TO CONGRESS

Bill, Due Today, Also to Require Licensing of Gun Owners

Text of President's message is printed on Page 24.

By MAX FRANKEL
Special to The New York Times

WASHINGTON, June 24--President Johnson asked Congress today to require the national registration of every firearm and a license for every gun owner whose state does not enforce Federal license standards.

Sensing an aroused public opinion and wishing to channel the pressures developing on Capitol Hill, Mr. Johnson accelerated for the second time in a week his efforts for more gun controls.

The Administration's new proposals were outlined in a message to Congress this afternoon and will be submitted as a bill, tomorrow morning.

The President said that he did hot want the new measure to delay a pending bill to limit the sales of rifles and shotguns. But exactly how Congress will proceed probably will not become clear until the Senate Judiciary Committee considers the whole subject on Wednesday.

Tydings Bill Cited

Proposals similar to those embraced by the Administration today have been introduced formally by, Senator Joseph D. Tydings, Democrat of Maryland.

He welcomed the White House action as a "tremendous boost" and said the President's leadership and the "ground-swell" of public and Congressional support "may at last break the gun-lobby stranglehold on effective gun legislation."

The Administration's measure goes beyond the Tydings bill in two respects.

It requires national registration, regardless of state registry, to permit the National Crime Information Center of the Federal Bureau of Investigation to compile a comprehensive computer file of every gun in the nation — between 50 and 100 million, according to current estimates.

Moreover, to punish states that do not establish effective license systems for gun owners, Mr. Johnson would deprive them of funds from the Wildlife and Conservation Trust Fund. Last year it redistributed $23-million collected in excise taxes on gun and ammunition sales.

Glenn Leads Drive

Another strong source of support for registration and licensing developed here today with the announcement that Col. John H. Glenn Jr., the former astronaut and associate of Senator Robert F. Kennedy, was leading many prominent citizens in a nationwide write-in campaign organized by the Emergency Committee for Gun Control.

The committee disclosed that Vice President Humphrey and Governor Rockefeller had responded favorably to its request for support from all Presidential candidates.

The organization's executive committee will be composed of Thomas J Watson Jr., chairman of the board of Internationa). Business Machines Corporation; Adlai Stevenson 3d, Treasurer of Illinois; John W. Gardner, former Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare; Charles Evers, Mississippi field director of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, and John V. Bennett, president of the National Council for a Responsible Firearms Policy.

It was not clear whether the committee's nationwide effort, the maneuvering in Congress and the spontaneous efforts of students and housewives in many communities had any direct effect on the schedule of action in. the White House.

But Mr. Johnson has been moving faster even than he thought he could when he revived his pressure for gun controls, on June 6, the day Senator Kennedy died.

Congress completed action that day on an omnibus crime bill; that included a limitation on the sales of handguns by mail and to minors and others deemed unfit to possess them. The President called this a halfway measure and demanded follow-up action for similar limitations on the sales of rifles and shotguns.

In signing the crime bill last Wednesday, he again urged quick action , on the second step, and Congress appears to be heeding his and the public's advice. Once that bill was passed, the President said, he would come back with still other proposals.

Today, without waiting for Congress to catch up, he offered those proposals.

Mr. Johnson's message, an abbreviated version of which he read for movie and television cameras in the White House Fish Room, anticipated even greater resistance from hunters, gun clubs, some manufacturers and their representatives and lobbyists here.

He argued against their case, as follows:

"Registration and licensing have long been an accepted part of daily life in America. Automobiles, boats, even dogs and bicycles in many communities, are commonly registered. Our citizens must get licenses to fish, to hunt and to drive.

"Certainly no less should be required for the possession of lethal weapons that have caused so much horror and heartbreak in this country. Surely the slight inconvenience for the few is minimal, when measured against protection for all."

What Bill Provides

The Administration's bill would allow 180 days for the registration of every gun, perhaps at post offices or other Federal agencies in the community. Thereafter, failure to register a firearm would be punishable with two years in jail and fines up to $2,000.

Mr. Johnson said that he would prefer the states to take the initiative in issuing licenses, preferably through a uniform law that at the minimum would deny guns to criminals, dope addicts, alcoholics, the mentally ill and others whose possession of guns would be deemed harmful to the public health or safety.

His bill would require a Federal license of all citizens whose state had not enacted these minimal Federal standards within two years.

A Federal license, as now envisioned, would cost $1 and require the photographing and fingerprinting of the applicant. Rifle and shotgun licenses would be available to persons over 18; handgun licenses to persons over 21.
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Text of Johnson Gun Message
Special to The New York Times

WASHINGTON, June 24— Following is the text of President Johnson's message to Congress proposing tighter gun controls:

Within the hour, in some city in America, a gun shot will ring out. And someone will fall dead or wounded. Unless we act purposefully to prevent it, reckless and wild gunfire will be heard again—tomorrow, the day after and all the days to follow.

—As it was last Tuesday, when a 71-year-old gas station attendant was shot to death in the course of a $75 armed robbery;

—As it was last Wednesday, in Graceville, Fla., When a mental patient shot a 3year-old boy through the back of the head;

—As it was last Thursday, in Chicago, when a young man was killed and three others injured by shotgun blasts fired by a band of roving teenagers.

These tragedies are imbedded in the grim statistics of death and destruction at gun point. The terrible toll is rising.

The latest report of the Federal Bureau of Investigation documents a shocking increase in crimes where deadly weapons are the instruments of violence.

Figures on Murders

In 1967, there were:

—7,700 murders with guns. In 1966 there were 6,500.

—55,000 aggravated assaults with guns. In 1966 there were 43,000.

—Over 71,000 robberies with guns. In 1966 there were 60,000.

It took this country nearly two centuries to respond to-the danger of guns in criminal and incompetent hands. The first Federal, action came in the early 1930's, when the Congress enacted safeguards controlling the use of sawed-off shotguns and submachine guns to answer the public indignation and fear arising out of organized gang wars in the cities.

But very little was done in the next three decades, while the velocity of speeding bullets exacted their deadly toll across America. Alone among the modern nations of the world, we remained -without the gun control laws that other countries accept as an elementary need and condition of life.

We can see the difference in the last reported comparisons of homicides by gunfire. Out of 15 countries reporting, the United States ranked, worst—with a rate of 2.7 gun murders per 100,000 population. Here are some of the statistics:

—2.7 for the United States

—0.03 in the Netherlands and 0.04 in Japan.

— 2.7 for the United States

— 0.05 in England and Wales.

— 2.7 for the United States

— 0.12 in West Germany and 0.70 in Italy.

— 2.7 for the United States

— 0.52 in Canada and 0.26 in Belgium.

Since I first became President, I have fought for strong gun control-laws.

Now—at long last—we have begun to move. When I signed the Safe Streets Act last week, America took the first major step to control deadly firearms. That measure outlawed the interstate traffic in handguns and prohibited the sale of these small and lethal weapons to minors.

We are now within sight of the second major step— the control of interstate traffic in shotguns, rifles and ammunition, as I requested of the Congress on June 6. I hope the Congress will move with the greatest speed to complete its action on this proposal for protection.

But even before that step is finally completed, we must look to the next advance for the safety of the American people.

With the enactment of these measures, we will have constructed the nation's first foundation upon which the states can build and develop their own gun control laws. Without this bulwark of interstate protection, even the best state laws would be exercises in futility.

To assure the protection of our people, Federal laws need two additional reinforcements:

*A national registration of all firearms, both those already in private hands and those acquired in the future.

*Federal licensing of all possessors of firearms in those states whose laws fail to meet minimum Federal, standards.

Registration and licensing have long been an accepted part of daily life in America. Automobiles, boats — even dogs, and bicycles in many communities—are commonly registered. Our citizens must get licenses to fish, to hunt and to drive. Certainly no less should be required for the possession of lethal weapons that have caused so much horror and heartbreak in this country. Surely the slight inconvenience for the few is minimal, when measured against protection for all.

I propose, first, the national registration of every gun in America.

There are now more firearms than families in America. The estimates range between 50 and 100 million guns in this country. Last year more than 3 million guns were added to private stocks, building; a massive arsenal which arms the murderer and the robber.

Registration will tell us how many guns there are, where they are and in whose hands they are held.

Car registration has been the major factor in solving hit-and-run auto deaths. The new National Crime Information Center, operated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, has already begun to compile arid computerize data on stolen automobiles; stolen guns, fugitives from justice and other criminal activities.

Now, for the first - time, computer technology has made the national registration of guns practical and workable. The registration of guns can be fed into a computer bank at the National Crime Information Center. Through this system, the owner of a gun anywhere in the country can be identified in a matter of seconds.

Licenses Urged

Second, I propose that every individual in this country be required to obtain a license before he is entrusted with a gun.

Every murder by gunfire is a criminal confrontation in which—by design or through a conspiracy of events—the criminal faces his victim through the telescope crosshairs of a rifle or over the barrel of a pistol. An inflamed moment seizes the criminal's mind, and his finger presses the trigger.

We may never be able to keep that criminal mind from erupting into violence, but we can stay the finger that squeezes the trigger — by keeping the gun out of the murderer's hand.

The surest route to accomplish this is to require every, person who wants a gun to be licensed, first proving that he meets the qualifications.

The initiative for licensing should, of course, rest with the states, for there licensing can most effectively be carried out. Some states have already enacted comprehensive licensing laws which prevent the vicious, the irresponsible and the insane from acquiring firearms.

In New Jersey, for example, which has had a licensing law for only a short period of time, over 1,500 disqualified persons have been denied access to lethal weapons. And states which have licensing requirements have lower homicide rates.

The states are now working, on model gun control laws through a special committee of the National Association of Attorneys General, The National Council of State Governments and the National Governors Conference. I have urged that their work be expeditiously pursued.

To assure uniformity and adequate protection, the law I propose would establish minimum Federal licensing standards. These would prevent firearms from being sold to or possessed by criminals, dope addicts, alcoholics, the mentally ill and any others whose possession of guns would be harmful to the public health, safety or welfare.

A Plea to States

The Federal licensing law would go into effect only in those states without at least comparable standards, and only after the states have been given an opportunity to act first.

I call upon every Governor and state legislature to move as rapidly as they can to enact forceful laws for the protection, of their people.

Nothing in these proposals will impair the legitimate ownership or use of guns in this country. In other countries which have sensible laws, the hunter and the sportsman thrive. These measures will entail no more inconvenience for the gun owners than dog tags or automobile license plates pose for any citizen.

Nor are they threats to the mystique of manhood or to the heritage of our people. Only the potential murderer's chance to kill and only the potential robber's chance to terrorize are threatened.

The only heritage that is harmed, is the record of violent death and destruction that shames our history.

The proposals in this message are no more and no less than common sense safe guards which any civilized nation must apply for the safety of its people.

The American people have been too long without them. The cost of inaction through the decades affronts our conscience.

History Is Cited

Homes and city streets across the nation which might have rung with gunfire will be spared the tragedy of senseless slaughter. We will never be able to measure this violence that does not erupt. But our history tells us America will be a safer country if we move now—once and forever—to complete the protection so long denied our people.

I urge the Congress, as I have throughout all the days of my Presidency, to act immediately to control , interstate sales of shotguns, rifles and ammunition.

Hearings on this legislation have long since been completed. The legislation has been reported favorably by the House Judiciary Committee and the Juvenile Delinquency Subcommittee of the Senate Judiciary Committee. That legislation — providing basic protection against interstate slaughter by firearms—should be brought to a vote without delay.

Once that foundation of interstate protection has been established, the registration and licensing proposals made in this message should be enacted, But these proposals afford no justification for delay in enacting strong and effective controls over interstate traffic of deadly weapons. Indeed, they build upon the foundation of interstate control which is so essential to their effectiveness.

Let us delay no longer in enacting that basic foundation of interstate protection and then let us go on to build —through registration and licensing—the kind of protection so long denied the American citizen.
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A lot of people living today don't realize how we went from being pretty much free to within a hair's breadth of losing it all in the 1960s.

The NRA managed to defeat the most outrageous stuff (national registration and national FOIDs), but at the cost of the grievous wound that was the Gun Control Act of 1968; which instituted the present FFL system and drove out of business a lot of people who had dealt in firearms before (barrels of surplus guns in hardware stores), gave us indirect registration in the Form 4473 and choked the gun market into individual states -- interstate sales of firearms were banned for a few years, but we slowly managed to chip away at that, by first restoring the right to buy rifles and shotguns in adjoining states, and then in any state in the Union. Handgun sales still remain choked off.

Likewise, the requirement of GCA 1968 to track every box of ammunition sold in a "bound book" similar to that used for 4473'ed guns went away in stages, first for I believe .22LR, then rifle ammo, and finally in the 1980s for pistol ammunition.

That's John Glenn's true legacy, not the nearly five hours in space he spent in 1962.
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My prayers for the Glenn family.
Link Posted: 12/8/2016 8:12:50 PM EDT
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This thread will not go the way OP intended... or will it?
Link Posted: 12/8/2016 8:14:18 PM EDT
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I also remember people talking about how he pulled strings to keep Bill Clinton out of prison.
Link Posted: 12/8/2016 8:15:46 PM EDT
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Not everyone gets to be an astronaut when they grow up.

Not everyone gets to be an asshole gun banning democratic senator, either.

Lots of astronauts out there.

John Glenn thought his shit didn't stink.
Link Posted: 12/8/2016 8:16:21 PM EDT
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John Glenn is a true American hero.  He went up into the unknown, when the odds for survival where unknown, where the risks were unknown, where the country looked to him as a brave warrior.  We were in our infancy in understanding space, and the technology to get us there.  There was a lot of uncertainty during that time and he stepped up and answered the call.  

His political views aside, his service and willingness to put his life on the line is something to marvel at.  

Link Posted: 12/8/2016 8:17:22 PM EDT
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Can you give the guy 24hrs at least??

Rip him tomorrow


And yeah Keating n all that but cmon

Fuvking Mercury was falling apart in reentry and the man was humming the Battle Hymn of the Republic e
Link Posted: 12/8/2016 8:17:24 PM EDT
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Is this you way of saying nobody's is perfect?

When was the last time you were an astronaut, or test pilot, or senator?

How can you possibly understand the pressures that professionals like that go through and think you won't screw up even a little bit over 95 years?



Fuck it, I'm out of this bullshit thread
Link Posted: 12/8/2016 8:18:11 PM EDT
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Join date. Check.
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IBTL
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What, OP?  You couldn't post your bullshit in the existing thread about his death?

Existing thread

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Is this you way of saying nobody's is perfect?

When was the last time you were an astronaut, or test pilot, or senator?

How can you possibly understand the pressures that professionals like that go through and think you won't screw up even a little bit over 95 years?



Fuck it, I'm out of this bullshit thread
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Fighting to deny your constitutional right is a hell of a "little bit of a screw up".

And Sylvan knocks the cover off the ball yet again.
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NFG  

I don't care who you are or what you've done.  Mess with the 2A in any way and you're dead to me.
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John Glenn is a true American hero.  He went up into the unknown, when the odds for survival where unknown, where the risks were unknown, where the country looked to him as a brave warrior.  We were in our infancy in understanding space, and the technology to get us there.  There was a lot of uncertainty during that time and he stepped up and answered the call.  

His political views aside, his service and willingness to put his life on the line is something to marvel at.  
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 OP needs to take a break. Stop letting your obsession interrupt your ability to appreciate human accomplishment and intestinal fortitude. America and freedom of opinion and such. Y'a hear? 
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He also was a slush fund receiving, pro Clinton allowing Loral a tech waiver for Chinese ICBMs shit wad.

He was a hero once.

His ignominy for his public corruption and betrayal of his country outweighs anything he did in uniform.

Fuck him.

Rot in hell.

 
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Gun Control back then is the same Gun Control as today, but I will not insult John Glenn for taking part, cause he's dead.
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Not everyone gets to trade their fame as the first non-Commie to orbit earth into being a asshole gun grabber.

This was all BEFORE John Glenn became a Senator. IOW, he was using his fame as an astronaut to try and execute a policy which would have been a major step in the disarmament of America.

Fortunately, for us all, he failed.

Best to remember that before you join in the adulatory lauding of Glenn.
Link Posted: 12/8/2016 8:24:48 PM EDT
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Have some class, OP.  It is one of the things that sets us apart from the libtards.



This is coming from a man that did hated not like Glenn
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Have some class, OP.  It is one of the things that sets us apart from the libtards.



This is coming from a man that did not like Glenn
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Quarter?

None.

We used to give quarter.  And lost all the time.

No quarter.
Link Posted: 12/8/2016 8:29:27 PM EDT
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I respected him as a Astronaut, but not as a politician. He leveraged one for the other.

FWIW, I worked for NASA during the Apollo and Skylab missions.
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Fuck him! It does not matter what great things he accomplished because once you go after peoples rights
it is all wiped away.
Link Posted: 12/8/2016 8:30:21 PM EDT
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Huh. I didn't know that stuff.
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Ha Ha.  Arfcoms post mortem reach around of this guy is incredible.  I swear some people around here would happily offer to towel him off after they caught him balls deep in their wives.  

How about Kelly?  Don't forget to give him some love fellas.
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A true tale of two lives.
I am truly saddened by the passing John Glenn, an American hero, Astronaut and Marine.
And good riddance to John Glenn the liberal democrat.
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These are the ads that the John Glenn Emergency Committee for Gun Control was running roughly forty years ago.











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he's dead Jim.
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I am truly saddened by the passing John Glenn, an American hero, Astronaut and Marine.
And good riddance to John Glenn the liberal democrat.
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The first guy died the day the second guy became a senator
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This place never ceases to amaze.

In a bad way.
Link Posted: 12/8/2016 8:32:52 PM EDT
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Ok...We wait two days then we rip that hater of guns to pieces...
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GD, a base for pointless losers with no respect for the dead or their kin

What has this site become? I'm sure the Avilas are dead happy with the poison they procreate
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What in the fuck does his classless comment have to do with the Avilas?  

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. . .  the man was humming the Battle Hymn of the Republic
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Strike 2 against him.
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This place never ceases to amaze.

In a bad way.
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Some of then are just gun show beef jerky people who finally got a dial up connection. It's all an act for the internet anyway.
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The planks of the Glenn Committee:

You must help stop the killing. Demand rigid gun laws. Laws that:

1. restrict hand guns and ammunition to law enforcement and military use-and to private citizens who meet reasonable official qualifications.

2. require registration of all guns and ammunition sold.

3. forbid all mail order sales of guns and ammunition. You can do something. Write your Congressmen. (Or sign this ad and send it.)

It can't wait.
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I won't bash him, but this is why pictures on postage stamps and names on bridges and buildings should be reserved for the dead.

He was a hero in my early years.  People can change, but he used to be as bad-ass as they come.
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Have you ever had one of those bad days where you are already in a bad mood tired and amped up on coffee then read something that sets you off  on a rant and you say some things without really thinking it through? I get pretty fired up when someone who is held in such high regard does what he did later in life.
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GD, a base for pointless losers with no respect for the dead or their kin

What has this site become? I'm sure the Avilas are dead happy with the poison they procreate
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You would respect someone who tried to take your rights away?
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Really? It's not he was Soldier jumping into the fire, Or a Cop putting himself between innocents and criminals, or a Fireman running into a burning building or just a common person diving into a river to save someone swept up in a current . He got to go to the moon he got to be famous he got to do something many of us only get to dream about doing and would do in a heart beat. Its not it was something he did not want to do or feared like jumping into bullet bath for the sake of others.

Sorry I just don't see how going to the moon makes you a hero. We all take risk every day just driving to work to make a living. He got to go to the moon and got paid to do it. Its a job and there are far more hazardous jobs out there. A hero is someone who puts their life on the line for others or makes a great sacrifice for others not someone who gets a free ride to the moon.

Did he do something to help defend or protect our rights did he make a great sacrifice for others or himself or he did not he infringed on rights that so many have fought and died for.
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John Glenn is a true American hero.  He went up into the unknown, when the odds for survival where unknown, where the risks were unknown, where the country looked to him as a brave warrior.  We were in our infancy in understanding space, and the technology to get us there.  There was a lot of uncertainty during that time and he stepped up and answered the call.  

His political views aside, his service and willingness to put his life on the line is something to marvel at.  


Really? It's not he was Soldier jumping into the fire, Or a Cop putting himself between innocents and criminals, or a Fireman running into a burning building or just a common person diving into a river to save someone swept up in a current . He got to go to the moon he got to be famous he got to do something many of us only get to dream about doing and would do in a heart beat. Its not it was something he did not want to do or feared like jumping into bullet bath for the sake of others.

Sorry I just don't see how going to the moon makes you a hero. We all take risk every day just driving to work to make a living. He got to go to the moon and got paid to do it. Its a job and there are far more hazardous jobs out there. A hero is someone who puts their life on the line for others or makes a great sacrifice for others not someone who gets a free ride to the moon.

Did he do something to help defend or protect our rights did he make a great sacrifice for others or himself or he did not he infringed on rights that so many have fought and died for.


THIS!

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... Derek, is that you? 
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Really? It's not he was Soldier jumping into the fire, Or a Cop putting himself between innocents and criminals, or a Fireman running into a burning building or just a common person diving into a river to save someone swept up in a current . He got to go to the moon he got to be famous he got to do something many of us only get to dream about doing and would do in a heart beat. Its not it was something he did not want to do or feared like jumping into bullet bath for the sake of others.

Sorry I just don't see how going to the moon makes you a hero. We all take risk every day just driving to work to make a living. He got to go to the moon and got paid to do it. Its a job and there are far more hazardous jobs out there. A hero is someone who puts their life on the line for others or makes a great sacrifice for others not someone who gets a free ride to the moon.

Did he do something to help defend or protect our rights did he make a great sacrifice for others or himself or he did not he infringed on rights that so many have fought and died for.
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He never went to the moon...
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LOL
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The planks of the Glenn Committee:

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The planks of the Glenn Committee:

You must help stop the killing. Demand rigid gun laws. Laws that:

1. restrict hand guns and ammunition to law enforcement and military use-and to private citizens who meet reasonable official qualifications.

2. require registration of all guns and ammunition sold.

3. forbid all mail order sales of guns and ammunition. You can do something. Write your Congressmen. (Or sign this ad and send it.)

It can't wait.


I'll say one thing... Reading stuff like this helps me to appreciate how far we've come. None of those are remotely popular at the federal level these days.
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Not everyone gets to be an astronaut when they grow up.

Not everyone gets to be an asshole gun banning democratic senator, either.

Lots of astronauts out there.

John Glenn thought his shit didn't stink.
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When running for president in 1984, Glenn contracted with numerous small businessmen to make him campaign materials such as posters, yard signs, T-shirts, buttons, etc.
He did much of this on credit.  
When his campaign went down in flames, he kept the excess campaign contributions, but stiffed numerous suppliers.  Some of them went out of business, stuck with garages and warehouses full of useless merchandise.  Years later, they would give bitter interviews about the man with no sense of responsibility.
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THIS!

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Yup.
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Didn't know John Glenn was all that but I honestly wasn't paying much attention.  It's gotten to the point where I can't even keep track of all the people I hate any more.
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