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Posted: 8/20/2004 12:39:55 PM EST

I am going to keep the details to a minimum on this one, to avoid any trouble, since it involves my chain of command.

I work on a detail which was formerly comprised of 13 people, and is now down to 2, including myself. The alleged reason for this is budget concerns. However, I just found out that a Major was recently brought on to another arm of the program using the same budget funds, for an essentially made up, unncecessary position. The money they spend on his salary could fund three enlisted men for my department, who are desperately needed, since I now work all the time, with several extra hours tacked on to each shift, simply because there is no one else to take over for me. The last three nights I slept at the facility, on the tile floor of the break room, simply because there wasn't enough time to go home, get a night's rest, and be back for work in the morning.

Not only that, but my boss' boss, who made all the cuts, was 'out of the office' for more than a week recently. No one knew where he was, or how to contact him. A couple days ago, a travel voucher inadvertently landed on my boss' desk, showing that his boss had spent seven days in Las Vegas on the government's dime, including rental car and hotel room. for 'training' . My question is, if it was training, why did no one else know about it, and why did he intentionally keep it secret?

The whole situation has me pretty ticked off, but what are you going to do?

Link Posted: 8/20/2004 1:54:03 PM EST
In the Marines, we had "request mast" where you can go up the chain of command to air grievances. Do they have anything like that in your service (assuming you're not a Marine)?
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 1:59:33 PM EST

Not that I know of, plus the officer in question is pretty high up in the chain, supervised only by a civilian, who is also not on the up-and-up, from what I hear.

Link Posted: 8/20/2004 2:28:21 PM EST
Hmmm... I'd check the regs. It seems to me that Request Mast was just a Marine version of something that I know the Navy has also, and I'm certain that since we all fall under the UCMJ, there should be something comparable for USA/USAF.

You are supposed to be able to go as high in the chain of command as you feel is necessary for your grievance to be rectified, and better yet, there is supposed to be no retribution as a result of your going up the chain. If they fark with you about it, THEY get in BIG trouble, regardless of their rank. I saw a Marine Colonel (O6) go down for trying to squash a LCpl's (E-3) request mast to the Commanding General.

Good luck!!! And seriously, if you can't find it in the regs yourself, go see a JAG lawyer.
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 7:08:51 PM EST
In the army its called the open door policy, I think you have to request permission from the officers top NCO to use it.
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 8:28:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/20/2004 8:29:42 PM EST by Garand_Shooter]
Also, don't forget the DOD "Fraud, waste, and abuse hotline", IE the DOD IG.

www.dodig.osd.mil/hotline/
Link Posted: 8/22/2004 4:22:40 AM EST

It gets even better. Now I have heard (though I have no physical evidence) that my boss' boss' boss - a civilian - has leased an F-350 under the GSA program, for personal use. No one can locate this vehicle, although it is listed in our GSA motor pool, at a lease cost of around $7800 a year. When someone questioned where this particular vehicle was, as they were responsible for the motor pool, they were ordered to cease and desist asking questions, and moved to another program.

I talked to this person yesterday, and suggested they call the fraud hotline, but they declined, knowing they would lose thier job or suffer retribution, since very few people are aware of these situations, and the 'suspects' could easily be narrowed down, once word gets out.

Link Posted: 8/22/2004 4:44:08 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 5:42:30 PM EST
If you can bring to the attintion of the comptroler on your post, I have seen it done and I have seen some high ranking folk's get thier ass's slamed even general's.
Link Posted: 8/27/2004 5:50:57 PM EST
I was on an Air Force base a few weeks ago and while waiting in line to get a vehicle pass I read a lengthy bulletin about their whistleblower policy. It basically said that if you rat someone out no one can exact retribution on you. How they enforce this though???
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 5:46:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By Chickenspigscows:
I was on an Air Force base a few weeks ago and while waiting in line to get a vehicle pass I read a lengthy bulletin about their whistleblower policy. It basically said that if you rat someone out no one can exact retribution on you. How they enforce this though???



My thought on this is that it is like a battered woman holding up a restraining order to her abusive husband. Looks good on paper, but no real world application.

Link Posted: 8/31/2004 7:20:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/31/2004 7:25:16 PM EST by TANGOCHASER]
If you are a civilian, go tell the base Force Protection Officer<CID, MPs. Get the military involved if you find someone miss using GSA property. They may not prosecute but they can have thaqt civilian removed from theatre.

If you blow the whistle on a civilian and you get fired, the Whislte Blowers act allows you to sue the shit out of the parent company. You can sue to get your job back, lost wages, etc.

I recently dimed out a civilian site manager here on our base for security violations (allowed an Iraqi to use his cell phone, satellite phone, and computer) and for selling Army propertyand got him and his side kick fired and removed from Iraq.

Go for it and get rid of these low lifes. Best way to do it is get digital photos of the "Fraud, Waste or Abuse".

Everybody has a boss. Go above their heads when you get documentable proof. The threat of getting fired is how they are keeping everyone quiet.
Link Posted: 8/31/2004 11:18:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By TANGOCHASER:
If you are a civilian, go tell the base Force Protection Officer<CID, MPs. Get the military involved if you find someone miss using GSA property. They may not prosecute but they can have thaqt civilian removed from theatre.

If you blow the whistle on a civilian and you get fired, the Whislte Blowers act allows you to sue the shit out of the parent company. You can sue to get your job back, lost wages, etc.

I recently dimed out a civilian site manager here on our base for security violations (allowed an Iraqi to use his cell phone, satellite phone, and computer) and for selling Army propertyand got him and his side kick fired and removed from Iraq.

Go for it and get rid of these low lifes. Best way to do it is get digital photos of the "Fraud, Waste or Abuse".

Everybody has a boss. Go above their heads when you get documentable proof. The threat of getting fired is how they are keeping everyone quiet.



Unfortunately, I am not a civilian, and I am not stationed on a normal military post. Thanks for the advice, though.

Link Posted: 9/5/2004 7:14:52 PM EST
But the guy in question is a civvy?
Link Posted: 9/5/2004 7:25:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By Edge767:
In the Marines, we had "request mast" where you can go up the chain of command to air grievances. Do they have anything like that in your service (assuming you're not a Marine)?



We have the Command Master Chief, what branch are you? I am a Silver Badge and know it is a good system...
Link Posted: 9/6/2004 12:20:24 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/6/2004 12:21:05 PM EST by Paul]
Link Posted: 9/6/2004 12:25:37 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/6/2004 12:33:55 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/15/2004 5:49:22 PM EST
only a quick glance through but its sounds very "Guard" to me...no offense meant but the zero's in a State run thing seldom represents the rest of the 'Service'......hug.gif
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 10:42:01 AM EST

Originally Posted By DOFCOD:
only a quick glance through but its sounds very "Guard" to me...no offense meant but the zero's in a State run thing seldom represents the rest of the 'Service'......



Got it in one.
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 1:58:52 AM EST
I take it your military then. Call the nearest IG (Inspector General) office and file a complaint. Try to catch the person using the vehicle for personal use and get a digital photo of it. You will need some proof to back up any complaint.

It is also a legitimate IG complaint about the hours you are working. You can find the phone number at the nearest MP desk or just look up the number to the nearest "real" military base. Branch of service is immaterial as the IG office will forward the report to the correct service IG.

If you receive reprocussions for lodging a complaint, this is also an IG complaint. Been there and done this myself. It is scary and painful but there is nothing they can legally do to you for filing a complaint.
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 11:23:24 AM EST
If all else fails, write your senator. Then prepare for the shit storm.
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