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Posted: 8/27/2004 4:04:23 PM EDT
[#1]
Well, I personally don't see the big deal about being CCW in a rally that the POTUS is at.
However, we are currently in the middle of WWIII and as such, Executive security has to be a top domestic priorty. |
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Posted: 8/27/2004 4:16:57 PM EDT
[#2]
Your balls are obviously a hell of a lot bigger than mine, or you be ate up with the dumbut, and I don't mean nothin bad about that.
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Posted: 8/27/2004 4:25:00 PM EDT
[#3]
I was packing (1911) when I met Reagan years ago.
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Posted: 8/27/2004 4:29:10 PM EDT
[#4]
Carry anyway.
Have someone behind you snap a picture of the guys doing the screening when you are in line to go through the metal detector, right as you empty your pockets onto the table. I walked through the detector with my belt(buckle) on, and got the wand treatment. I thought I was going to be wrestled to the ground when the officer found my cigarrettes in my pants pocket.  Oh, yeah. Have the friend post pics here. You'll be tied up for a while. 
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Posted: 8/27/2004 4:54:45 PM EDT
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Do not do it.
I had a scare a couple years back when my uncle passed away. Hillary came to his funeral along with Bill and their Secret Service detail. I had my Glock under my suit because the funeral home wasn;t in the best neighborhood and I wasn't leaving a gun in it. I tried to be very non-chalant as they stood in front of me offering their condolences - by the way they were pretty genuine that day, my uncle was a big time labor leader and they were genuine friends. Probably the only reason I didn;t get noticed was my cousin is a Syracuse cop and half the people there were cops in uniform and detectives and off-duty cops... there were no kidding at least 100 firearms in that funeral parlor at that moment. Still, I would not have wanted to be made... |
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Posted: 8/27/2004 4:55:24 PM EDT
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That'll get you on 'the list'. You can look forward to strip searches at airports, being tackled at political meetings just before a handshake, 4am raids on your home, etc... Just kidding (probably). Enjoy the grip-n-grin 
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Posted: 8/27/2004 5:00:17 PM EDT
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If they let you say hi to the pres with a gun in your belt our country is gone.
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Posted: 8/27/2004 5:03:27 PM EDT
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I was a volunteer when he came to town. If it is raining expect to leave your umbrella outside too. We were instructed to keep an eye out for Kerry infiltrators. We had to search for signs and double t-shirts. It was kinda cool but some of the volunteers let te power go to thier heads.
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Posted: 8/27/2004 5:07:11 PM EDT
[#9]
WTF? 
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Posted: 8/27/2004 5:42:43 PM EDT
[#10]
DO NOT CCW TO AN EVENT WITH THE PRESIDENT. My buddy was telling my that an off duty police officer was arrested at one of the trips he was on (mostly because he was a dick about it). The only guns in a presidential event are secret service and local LE that are WORKING.
If they're nice, you may be allowed to go back to your car and try again, but I wouldn't push your luck. |
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Posted: 8/27/2004 5:49:56 PM EDT
[#11]
um... can someone cite a specific law that would be broken?
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Posted: 8/27/2004 5:53:03 PM EDT
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Protection of SCOTUS regardless of who is in office is taking very seriously. Don't believe me, just ask the Tampa Bay policeman, AA.
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Posted: 8/27/2004 6:16:56 PM EDT
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federal law is very general and encompassing on the issue. Basically the Secret Service is allowed to create a sterile environment to protect the president. That means disarming the public. Deal with it. There is no way for the Secret Service to know if you are a nut job or not. So what are you going to have, an event with 5,000 people, maybe 100 agents and local LE and say a couple hundred people with firearms? That's a protective nightmare! And far too easy for an assassin to get a shot off. Time to face reality. |
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Posted: 8/27/2004 6:21:15 PM EDT
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I was packing when I shook Bob Dole's and Colin Powell's hand during the Dole campaign. Even said hi to the secret service guy because he recognized me. Freaked him out at first because he couldn't place where he knew me from. Bob |
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Posted: 8/27/2004 6:31:32 PM EDT
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I am confused, Are you going to be metting the president Bush? And if so your going to do so with a gun on you. Sorry I wasnt clear. If this is the fact I say Why the fuck to you |
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Posted: 8/27/2004 6:57:33 PM EDT
[#16]
Bob, you are now my hero. You be...
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Posted: 8/27/2004 6:59:54 PM EDT
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I went to a small event at the Kennedy Center back around 1995 and Hillery gave a speech. No metal detectors and almost no visible security (I only spotted two SS agents). Made me wonder if anyone cared about her security. GunLvr |
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Posted: 8/27/2004 7:01:17 PM EDT
[#18]
Bingo! I was in uniform.
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Posted: 8/27/2004 7:04:39 PM EDT
[#19]
I'll bet half of the pre-schoolers that Bush was talking to on 9/11 were packin heat...
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Posted: 8/27/2004 7:13:27 PM EDT
[#20]
Just as a side note, even the armed cops present will have been individually vetted by the Secret Service and given specific clearence to be armed if they are to be present in the same room as the President.
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Posted: 8/27/2004 7:15:43 PM EDT
[#21]
I'm spending time with the family this weekend, but would love to go see the President fly out of Toledo durring the the air show! Picture perfect moment. I hear he is stopping by a high school in Lima, also.
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Posted: 8/27/2004 7:24:01 PM EDT
[#22]
...and by sterile environment that may mean killing you where you stand with your weapon.
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Posted: 8/27/2004 7:35:32 PM EDT
[#23]
Yeah me too Carter, Reagon, Bush Carter, Reagon uniform Bush Plain Clothes |
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Posted: 8/27/2004 8:00:45 PM EDT
[#24]
Joke all you want, if you managed to get a weapon by them and it cleared a holster you would likely be dead before the barrel of your pistol was leveled and posed a threat. Post September 11 there is a kill first, sort it out later mentality. The Secret Service has one of the most challenging jobs in the world, keeping the most powerful man in the world safe from all threats without sealing him off in a bunker two miles under ground. This is one instance where I gladly forsake my right to carry a firearm. I want my president alive, even if I despise him. A dead president is the catalyst for major major discord in the world... it is a time of vulnerability for the nation. So inside the cordone, I want the identified good guys with guns and nobody else... that way if one is drawn the Secret Service knows whether there is a threat and whether to take it out or not. Of course that idiot cop in Florida who threatened the president gives me pause about local LE even being armed. I'm sure from now on, any LEO within range of the president will also be being watched by the Secret Service. |
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Posted: 8/27/2004 8:22:52 PM EDT
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Actually I believe their method of operation is to close the distance between you and them, while minimizing the angle to the President. I'm sure they would take a shot if they had it -- but that might not be their first thought... I wasn't joking. I played softball for two years on the Ellipse. Saw more than a few landings of MarineOne and saw EXACTLY how they handle the seriousness of the situation. Uniformed and covert agents both were/are pretty serious. |
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Posted: 8/27/2004 8:47:36 PM EDT
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Hmmmm, well I'm not an agent obviously, but I did speak to a few members of the Governor's BCI protection detail who train with various protective details and work side by side with the Secret Service frequently due to Pataki's relatively high-profile in national politics. They told me there job is not law enforcement, it is principle protection. If they can apprehend an assailant while protecting the principle they will. If there is any doubt they drop him. No verbal commands to drop the weapon if the principle is within range of the assailant... the assailant goes down. Post September 11 I noticed a huge difference in the Governor's and NYC Mayor's details. Beefed up, professional, but much more "aggressive," not in a belligerent manner, but definitely more on the edge and less tolerance for anything which might develop into a situation. I can't imagine it is any different when you're talking about the big guy. I say take no chances.
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Posted: 8/27/2004 8:53:48 PM EDT
[#27]
Damn, I havent met a POTUS since Nixon......
 Besides, Reagan was the only one I really would have loved to meet.... Oh, and W |
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Posted: 8/28/2004 3:54:34 AM EDT
[#28]
One of the biggest moments of my entire life. |
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Posted: 8/28/2004 6:21:32 AM EDT
[#29]
 Just by talking about this on an internet forum makes me think that the SS is in route to your home already.
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Posted: 8/28/2004 6:55:40 AM EDT
[#30]
Maybe, but I'm their biggest fan! lol |
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Posted: 8/28/2004 7:57:20 AM EDT
[#31]
I don't know about other states, but in Georgia it's illegal to carry at a public gathering.
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Posted: 8/28/2004 8:10:05 AM EDT
[#32]
Didn't Elvis get into the oval office with a .45? (a gift for Nixon) |
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Posted: 8/28/2004 8:11:08 AM EDT
[#33]
I used to carry my M14 at the whitehouse several times a week. It was unloaded, of course. But still a firearm.
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Posted: 8/28/2004 8:16:15 AM EDT
[#34]
First, I would consult Ohio's CCW laws. Ohio's laws are still restrictive enough that it may be prohibited to carry at public event such as a political rally.
Personally, I wouldn't carry at this particular event. I think it's asking for trouble. |
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Posted: 8/28/2004 8:18:02 AM EDT
[#35]
I would advise against a CCW any where around the President.
It wouldn't be fun getting taken down by the SS when you walked through the metal detector. I'm sure they take you down hard and fast. Don't forget. The government gave you permission to carry. The SS take it way faster. It's not a right to carry concealed, it's a privilege. Be safe, leave it home. Stormtrooper I also carry into the white house every day. My house is painted white.  Colt_SBR |
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Posted: 8/28/2004 8:52:16 AM EDT
[#36]
Try the law of common sense.
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Posted: 8/28/2004 9:03:30 AM EDT
[#37]
CC-fuckin-W? Try bringing in a pro-Bush sign with a short stick attatched to it and see how the SS Uniformed Division acts.
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Posted: 8/28/2004 9:46:31 AM EDT
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During the former administration I carried concealed while driving by the hotel where the President was staying. Again when the President was flying out of Boise in his G3 we were obliged to land while Airforce one was operating. Both my rider and I were armed (as we always are) and watched the Presidential jet take off while we stood and watched from the other side of the runway, the opposite side from SS security. I was not impressed with security that day. The nearest SS agent was over a quarter of a mile away. We were closer to the G3 at takeoff than the SS ground contingent was.
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Posted: 8/28/2004 10:04:52 AM EDT
[#39]
There is NO list.....and your name isn't one IT. MT |
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Posted: 8/28/2004 10:25:18 AM EDT
[#40]
Trust me. I would not carry to a Presidential event, period.
Just trust me. |
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Posted: 8/28/2004 10:42:39 AM EDT
[#41]
Bush 41 had at least 8 with him at Cirque Du Soliel. Of course, it was post 9/11 and he and Barbara were very jumpy. Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas... |
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Posted: 8/28/2004 11:39:54 AM EDT
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There is a federal law that prohibits weapons (except those authorized) within so many feet of the President and VP, I think something like 1500 feet . Nope, don't know it because it is not my job to enforce it. Met Ford as a kid, and watched Reagan speak during the 84 campaign. Then Governor Bush used to park at my intersection when he came to games, and occasionally dad would be there, too. I also helped shut the Interstate down for him once on the way to Crawford, but he has other means of getting there now. The USSS is very frigging serious about presidential security. Don't carry at a presidential event unless you want to have a very unpleasant experience. |
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Posted: 8/28/2004 11:55:39 AM EDT
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Geez, folks, I never said I intended to carry! I was just surprised that they left such a big / important issue off thier flyer of rules and regulations. I've never been to something like this before. They had metal detectors going in, kinda like the airport but not as strict.
The announced crowd was 20,000. I guess it's possible...I'm not a very good judge of such things. I didn't get close enough to shake hands or anything. |
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Posted: 8/28/2004 1:38:31 PM EDT
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You think huh? My money is on several cross hairs superimposed over your center of mass. Do all the agents where big sammich boards that say SECRET SERVICE on them? |
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Posted: 8/28/2004 1:47:02 PM EDT
[#45]
Good, glad to hear you didn't pack. Sorry for not understanding. You can see where we were coming from then about the carry issue. We all figured you wanted to be by the pres with a gun in your pants.
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Posted: 8/28/2004 2:25:46 PM EDT
[#46]
Some years ago, when the senior Mr. Bush was
Vice President, I was assigned to do a TV "live shot" for the noon news during his visit to a major southern city. This was in the eighties and the environment was a bit different when it came to security. It was tight,but many of us who had frequent contact with POTUS and VPOTUS were issued Secret Service passes. Took a while to get them, but they did expedite access to events.(Still have it..an odd looking credential). With that as background, I carried to the event. When I got to the metal detector,I declared and was told I could not enter the secure area with a gun. Fortunately, my neighbor was working the other access detail. He was with ATF. I called him over and he took possession of my gun until the event was over. There was no hassle and no problem. |
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Posted: 8/28/2004 2:37:01 PM EDT
[#47]
I still think your original comment was way off the mark.
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Posted: 8/28/2004 2:50:04 PM EDT
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The President in speaking at Fort Meigs, Perrysberg. On ABC 13 and CBS 11 out of Toledo. Big ass # of supporters there.[
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Posted: 8/28/2004 2:51:17 PM EDT
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The reported crowd in Troy was 20,000!!! (I think the town population is like 25,000).
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