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Posted: 10/24/2001 8:24:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/24/2001 8:24:19 PM EDT by garry]
How about a 18 or older forum with a disclaimer when you go into it. I have been looking around tonight and it seems that alot of us are picking on you and the moderators. Now you know that we mean no harm by it. But we just had part of the fun of being here taken away from us. Just a thought Gary
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 8:29:47 PM EDT
And if anyone who reads this thinks it is a good idea post something!!!! rember we got the point count back mabe with some luck we can do this to!!
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 8:34:04 PM EDT
Hey Garry: I think your post counter is broken. Both of your post above read 588. Maybe GB "broke" your post counter[:D]
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 8:37:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By yobo: Hey Garry: I think your post counter is broken. Both of your post above read 588. Maybe GB "broke" your post counter[:D]
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Im probably geting the boot as we speak Gary
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 8:38:54 PM EDT
Quick Garry... repent for your sins to GB before you get booted[:D]
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 8:39:03 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/24/2001 8:43:16 PM EDT
I'm for it, but GB should keep the over18/unmoderated forum topics from showing up on the main page. I have to say, I was at work when the first scat attacks hit, and at first I was disgusted, and pissed. As well as I was worried if anyone saw my monitor with that crap on it, and concluded I'm a freak. But after seeing three or four posts and all the people complaining, I couldn't stop laughing. I had to explain to others what was happening since I was laughing so loud. And soon was laughing hysterically whenever I'd open a normal sounding thread and get that awful crap. And the more I think about the whole thing, the more amusing it becomes. There had to be hundreds of people throughout the country going ewww, WTF at the same time. [>:/][shock][:X*][puke][:D]
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 8:45:50 PM EDT
btt
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 8:46:45 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 8:58:30 PM EDT
it's a good idea, but how do you enforce it? or did you mean it as a way to let viewers know that some material may not be suitable for children (to avoid opening an otherwise innocent looking thread) rather than limiting the age group that can post? on the otherhand, what's to keep future scatmen from posting that crap on the non-18 and older board? just some details to iron out.
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 9:04:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ARlady: it's a good idea, but how do you enforce it? or did you mean it as a way to let viewers know that some material may not be suitable for children (to avoid opening an otherwise innocent looking thread) rather than limiting the age group that can post? on the otherhand, what's to keep future scatmen from posting that crap on the non-18 and older board? just some details to iron out.
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Some form of disclaimer that some material may be offensive to some people and so on. You are always going to have a scat man. Some one will always have bad feelings about something; but have some form of rules like no fetish sh*t or Hard core stuff exc.
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 9:09:32 PM EDT
I guess what Im trying to say is don't let one bad apple ruin it for everyone.And I know there are a lot more details that would need to be worked out but I do think it would be a good thing to have. Gary
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 9:38:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ARlady: it's a good idea, but how do you enforce it? or did you mean it as a way to let viewers know that some material may not be suitable for children (to avoid opening an otherwise innocent looking thread) rather than limiting the age group that can post? on the otherhand, what's to keep future scatmen from posting that crap on the non-18 and older board? just some details to iron out.
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Ok how about this; make it so you had to have at least 50 posts to get in.I think that would keep the trolls out to a point.Make it so the members could give someone the boot by voting (if justified good reason is there)exc [soapbox]give us a 18+forum
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 9:50:22 PM EDT
I don't think it's a good idea. I don't think porn is something we want associated with this site, and I think those in charge have made that abundantly clear. And I agree with them.
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 9:57:00 PM EDT
Originally Posted By GovtThug: I don't think it's a good idea. I don't think porn is something we want associated with this site, and I think those in charge have made that abundantly clear. And I agree with them.
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I agree. Also, wouldn't you think that most of us are 18+ anyway????
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 10:04:38 PM EDT
THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT PORN!!!!!
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 10:09:21 PM EDT
Ok, garry, what else would go in an 18+ forum?
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 10:11:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By GovtThug: Ok, garry, what else would go in an 18+ forum?
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Freedom of speech and NOT have to worry about offending other members
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 10:15:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Kalifornia:
Originally Posted By GovtThug: I don't think it's a good idea. I don't think porn is something we want associated with this site, and I think those in charge have made that abundantly clear. And I agree with them.
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I agree. Also, wouldn't you think that most of us are 18+ anyway????
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I'd have to say I agree with GovtThug too. I like GD for the diversity of topics, but the porn isn't the reason I come here. Just my opinion. The only thing that gets me is when I open what I think is a safe post from work, and find pictures of naked women. since I work 12-14 hours a day, it is hard to stay off of the forum too.
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 10:17:47 PM EDT
Freedom of speech is not a valid argument, as this is a privately owned website. So what, specifically, do you think should be allowed in an 18+ forum? Racism? Sexism? Personal attacks? Porn?
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 10:42:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/24/2001 10:37:16 PM EDT by garry]
Originally Posted By GovtThug: Freedom of speech is not a valid argument, as this is a privately owned website. So what, specifically, do you think should be allowed in an 18+ forum? Racism? Sexism? Personal attacks? Porn?
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I just want a place where you don't have to be worried about being banned or haveing your topic locked if it gets a little wild,by the way I find the icon below your screen name offensive and I think you should have to remove it. Censorship is a wonderful thing. My son might have nightmares if he saw it
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 10:43:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By GovtThug: Freedom of speech is not a valid argument, as this is a privately owned website. So what, specifically, do you think should be allowed in an 18+ forum? Racism? Sexism? Personal attacks? Porn?
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I realize you aren't asking me but I'd say it would be a place where you could post anything that would offend your grandmother or a child. "Babe of the Day" without having to make sure nothing was poking out. There is a difference between photos of models with a breast showing and Porn. Kinda like calling any gun a 'sniper rifle'.
Link Posted: 10/24/2001 10:44:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/24/2001 10:45:45 PM EDT by garry]
I realize you aren't asking me but I'd say it would be a place where you could post anything that would offend your grandmother or a child. "Babe of the Day" without having to make sure nothing was poking out. There is a difference between photos of models with a breast showing and Porn. Kinda like calling any gun a 'sniper rifle'.[/quote] thank you, I couldn't have said it beter myself Garry
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 4:03:47 AM EDT
Oh, so it's not about porn, it's about naked chicks. Hmmmm... I'm still not getting the distinction. Why don't you tell us, and again I'm asking for specifics, if you were moderator of this forum what would be some examples of topics that you would delete, and what would you allow?
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 4:08:42 AM EDT
Originally Posted By GovtThug: I don't think it's a good idea. I don't think porn is something we want associated with this site, and I think those in charge have made that abundantly clear. And I agree with them.
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I'll also agree.
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 4:14:41 AM EDT
I don't think it is a good idea either...I don't want another McUzi.com or become one.
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 4:17:18 AM EDT
Good idea but enforcement is next to impossible.
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 4:18:30 AM EDT
Originally Posted By garry: I realize you aren't asking me but I'd say it would be a place where you could post anything that would offend your grandmother or a child. "Babe of the Day" without having to make sure nothing was poking out. Garry
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Here's what I don't get.. Why does this site HAVE to have that kind of stuff on it??? Its almost like an addiction or something. Life is NOT complete unless "you" bring all that stuff along with "you" wherever "you" go. ("You" meant generically, not YOU specifically. You are CERTAINLY not alone in this opinion) There are PLENTY of other places to get and enjoy that sort of stuff. Do you go to Walmart and ask them to put the Castrol 10W40 in a different color package for you?? Do you go to Sears and ask them to redesign the shirt they are selling into the style you like?? NO. If you like what they are selling, you buy it. If not, you move on. Why is AR15.com ANY different??? If you don't like the way teh site is run, move on. You WILL survive it. I don't like the Babe threads, but I wasn't petitioning the Mods and Goat to re-shape it in my image. People criticise me for trying to force my beliefs on others SIMPLY because I type them out here. Seems to me it is THOSE people that are guilty of trying to FORCE their beliefs by essentially DEMANDING they get their garbage in here, or they will leave. For my $$$, I say "Buh-bye." YMMV.
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 4:52:42 AM EDT
Originally Posted By GovtThug: Oh, so it's not about porn, it's about naked chicks. Hmmmm... I'm still not getting the distinction. Why don't you tell us, and again I'm asking for specifics, if you were moderator of this forum what would be some examples of topics that you would delete, and what would you allow?
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I said Idea not "hey look GB I have a fail safe blueprint so this will work" I GUESS WE ARE NO LONGER HAVE THE PRIVLAGE TO THINK
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 5:00:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/25/2001 4:55:03 AM EDT by GovtThug]
garry, I never said you didn't have the right to think. I'm just asking you to share your thoughts. I would really like to know what your limits would be on an 18+ forum. How would they differ from the current forum conduct rules?
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 5:12:36 AM EDT
ok, i'm confused. some sick pervert decides to spam the site with excrement, and suddenly everyone panics, locking and deleting completely unrelated threads. why? i dont see the connection. the mods did a decent job getting rid of the "Ill" one, and suddenly there's chaos here. i come here for the firearms info and the general tumult of ideas(some of which i find objectionable), and though i do take a look occasionally, "babe of the..." isnt a big part of that. i'm just curious, why the knee-jerk overreaction? anyway, it's goatboy's site, he can do what he wants with it. that's freedom.
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 5:26:30 AM EDT
Originally Posted By GovtThug: garry, I never said you didn't have the right to think. I'm just asking you to share your thoughts. I would really like to know what your limits would be on an 18+ forum. How would they differ from the current forum conduct rules?
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ok Im jumping blind into this one but oh well 1 what was the point count on babe of the day?? if people didn't like it why was it here for so long? 2 alot of the stuff that we talk about in GD is off the wall, you know it just as much as I do. But now we can't post some stuf with out the fear of geting our topic locked or booted out. now then I have been here for some time now and I do know that things will get back to the way they were before the scat thing happend but I think there should be a place to let Sh*t fly to a point where no one gets harmed but if they did well you were in the 18+ forum and you knew that it WAS NOT ALL PC there before you went in!! 3 now for the slur thing do you truly get ofended by them, my last name ends in s k i I have heard every polish joke on the face of the earth and you know what IT DON'T BOTHER ME. Im not writing this next part to piss anyone off but take it as you will!! I did a deal with a guy on here last week and he told me that if he knew that the bolt was nib and not used he would have not jewed me down, and he said I can say that cuz Im a jew. And yes enforcement would be possible if the members had the right to give someone the ax and kick them out. But Im sure in your mind Im bitching since the porn is gone but that is not my true reason!! I will respond to your responce later this afternoon I have things to do Gary
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 5:36:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/25/2001 5:33:18 AM EDT by GovtThug]
Forums Conduct Code: The following is an evolving series or rules for conduct on the forums. All moderators feel free to modify and/or contribute to them. CONDUCT GUIDELINES 1) No racial slurs or comments. This isn't about being "PC" it's about respecting each other. 2) No inappropriate pictures, links, or topics. 2a) Nudity is acceptable if it is linked and preceded by a warning. This means simple adult nudity. There should not be links to anything above and beyond simple classy pictures. Posting of pictures without links should be done with pictures which do not reveal parts of the human anatomy... 2b) No linking of porn sites to the boards. There are millions out there..we don't need to link them all here. Striker 01/10/15 2c) No linking of innapropriate material. This would include sites with information on how to make illegal modifications to firearms, purchase illegal items, view illegal porn, hate sites, and so forth. 2d) No innapropriate topics. This includes all of the above and further covers topic titles of a racial nature, sexual nature, or violent nature. A good example is the "Babe" or "Hunk" of the day posts versus "Fetish" or "Sex Story" of the day posts. The first two are acceptable, the last two are NOT. 3) Threats of violence against another member written in a serious manner. (If its a joke, make sure that point is VERY clear.) 4) No pissing matches. Its fine to disagree, but once a thread has run its course, and degenerated into little more than an insult fest, it will be locked. Garandman - 06/15/2001 5) Fraudulent practices or attempts to defraud another will lead to account suspension and banning. This is in direct reference to items offered for sale, trade, or leading someone on as a buyer. (Backing out of a deal is one thing, stringing someone along to torture them is not.) This also applies to people posting fabricated lies about another user or business. If you have a real issue, discuss it, but don't make up lies because you're upset with someone. Goatboy - 07/07/2001 6) Pure trolling. Either to piss someone off or simply for your personal enjoyment. If you're here to cause trouble, it will be a very short stay. 7) No personal attacks towards ANYONE. If you have a problem with someone, then take it offline with them. If it's with a member of the staff or a moderator, then contact someone from the Senior Staff. Attacking a person, ANY PERSON, in a non-joking manner (clearly visible as a joke) will not be tolerated. Joking and teasing are fine, but if you cross the line, apologize before things get worse. This includes provoking someone into an attack. AR15.com is intended as a home for ALL AR15 owners, where ALL civil, productive and positive discussions are encouraged. Anything not meeting these objectives will be stopped. Any of these violations will lead to your account being suspended. This is not the US Court Systems, you get one chance. -- AR15.Com Staff
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OK, which rules are too restrictive, and how would you change them for an 18+ forum? (edited to clarify my question)
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 5:37:13 AM EDT
How about like how the Fal Files has a totally unmoderated board in addition to the GD board, where anything goes, with numerous disclaimers saying that its not their fault if you get offended by anything in there? Kharn
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 5:47:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Kharn: How about like how the Fal Files has a totally unmoderated board in addition to the GD board, where anything goes, with numerous disclaimers saying that its not their fault if you get offended by anything in there? Kharn
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I've been there, and don't EVER recall seeing ANY porn or semi-naked ladies. Most you'll get there is the expletives and bitching and moaning that is standard fare for the GD forum here. While it is unmoderated, it is FAR tamer than than the GD forum. Lets just say FAL FIles has a more self-disciplined membership.
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 6:39:33 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 6:41:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/25/2001 6:37:50 AM EDT by M4]
This is a post, from Goatboy himself, from the second to last page of the "Babe Of The Day" thread. [b]"Keep up the pics guys, nice to come in here after a few pages and catch up on the hot women... I do ask that you try to keep the mods from having to WORK to keep this thread alive... Simple test for a pic... "If something's peekin, then link it!" Nothing wrong with having to click on the link to see the pic... ]=) Updated the Forum Conduct Rules as well... may want to check them since this thread has lot's of the fun people posting in it! ________________________________________ -- GB"[/b][img]www.ar15.com/images/postPics/goatboy.jpg[/img] Sounds to me like even HE doesn't mind this sort of thing. Along with the many hundreds of other members who posted, and the thousands who at least enjoyed looking. If you're going to argue against this sort of thing, at least try to stick with the reality, and not stay so narrowly glued to your own agenda.
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 6:59:02 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/25/2001 7:27:09 AM EDT
Just for arguements sake, how many other [i]major[/i] sites do you think would allow half the topics and posts that have been here? Try "Babe of the Day" on TFL, GlockTalk, or AssaultWeb and see just how long it lasts. Bitch, piss, and moan about how you've been wronged by not being allowed to post it there, and see how long your account lasts. The more freedom that GB has allowed in what has been allowed to be posted here has resulted in some folks pushing the envelope in what people post. Before you start with all the PC and First ammendment complaints, I ask that you please remember that this board is owned and operated by the Avila's, and it's entirely within their rights to expect us to abide by the rules of conduct that they set. If we don't like it, we don't have to stay.
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