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Posted: 6/14/2009 5:47:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/14/2009 5:48:59 AM EST by raven]
This happened a week ago at Lake Spenard in Anchorage, the pilot crashed on take off

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVwlodvWh7w&e
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 5:49:43 AM EST


What's the word for LOTS of fail?
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 5:50:11 AM EST
that's some bad piloting
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 5:52:22 AM EST
wow scary...hope pilot and passengers were OK....too bad about the loss of such a nice plane too.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 5:53:21 AM EST
Will not buff out.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 5:55:41 AM EST
Weight and balance folks. Weight and balance. With special attention to the weight part.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 5:55:55 AM EST
Originally Posted By Dan1918A2:
Will not buff out.


Oh yes it will. That fuselage is fine.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 5:56:08 AM EST
I would need a clean pair of shorts.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 5:57:17 AM EST
Originally Posted By Dan1918A2:
Will not buff out.


thats a shame, i work in ATC at a General Aviation airport, you see it from time to time that pilots would rather

try to force a landing or take-off than just break it off and try again later
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 6:00:27 AM EST
That sucks , Ive watched thousands of planes take off from Lake Hood , never seen anything like that
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 6:02:14 AM EST
Waste of a nice Beaver, things may be out of perspective because of the way the video was shot but it looks like the pilot(so to speak) was expecting an abnormally short take off. A loaded beaver takes a good long way to come off the water.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 6:07:32 AM EST
Holy crap! That cameraman almost got sliced and diced.

Anyone else think that engine didn't sound right at all?
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 6:10:19 AM EST
So it looks like he was trying for the channel and the cross wind + dragging the left float a little took him into the shore. Correct?
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 6:12:04 AM EST
Originally Posted By eracer:
Holy crap! That cameraman almost got sliced and diced.

Anyone else think that engine didn't sound right at all?


That's how radials sound...until he pulled the power.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 6:12:13 AM EST
Did the guy with the cam ever hear of moving his sweet ass? I'd be running a lot sooner then that!

And what's up with that fuckin' pilot? shit I don't fly and could see he was in deep shit.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 6:16:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/14/2009 6:25:36 AM EST by 87GN]
Originally Posted By captainpooby:
So it looks like he was trying for the channel and the cross wind + dragging the left float a little took him into the shore. Correct?


Lots of things, but he panicked and was just pulling back on the stick as much as possible.

Floatplanes have to get "on the step" before you can pull back on the controls to take off - he never got on the step, you can see he was just thinking he could pull the yoke into his chest and magically take off.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 6:20:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
So it looks like he was trying for the channel and the cross wind + dragging the left float a little took him into the shore. Correct?


Bingo. Floats have lots of drag until they fully clear the water. Unlike wheels, the drag of floats increases until the wetted area decreases substantially.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 6:27:31 AM EST
Originally Posted By 87GN:
Originally Posted By Dan1918A2:
Will not buff out.


Oh yes it will. That fuselage is fine.


Except for the shit stains.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 6:45:03 AM EST
I ducked.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 6:49:20 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 6:50:06 AM EST
Looks like he was trying to get the takeoff filmed the first time around. At :33, it looks like he tried to get off the water and found that there wasn't enough airspeed yet.. He sat the plane back down in the water crooked and instead of correcting; he banked on being up to speed in time to clear.

Planes run on 2 things, speed & altitude; it's OK to run low on one or the other.... not both.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 7:08:44 AM EST


cameraman was very dedicated to his shot. I dont know if I would have recovered quick enough to get the crash in frame.

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 7:12:48 AM EST
That sucks.

Dehavilland Beaver, one of my favorite planes.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 7:23:07 AM EST


Not enough speed on the water to rotate.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 7:44:40 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 7:45:40 AM EST

Originally Posted By bgenlvtex:
Waste of a nice Beaver, things may be out of perspective because of the way the video was shot but it looks like the pilot(so to speak) was expecting an abnormally short take off. A loaded beaver takes a good long way to come off the water.

Dude, the way I read that was just so wrong...


Link Posted: 6/14/2009 7:48:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By karma:
Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
So it looks like he was trying for the channel and the cross wind + dragging the left float a little took him into the shore. Correct?


Bingo. Floats have lots of drag until they fully clear the water. Unlike wheels, the drag of floats increases until the wetted area decreases substantially.


He was trying get it up on step, pulling a float out of the water is SOP- SOP also includes that this practice doesn't drag you into the shore. Ouch!



Like a soft field take off, clear the gear, then reduce pitch and accelerate. He kept it near stall because he didn't have enough room. The stall indicator was buzzing from shortly after he rotated until cartwheel.

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 7:48:41 AM EST
Originally Posted By 87GN:
Weight and balance folks. Weight and balance. With special attention to the weight part.


Did he have the prop in "High" position?
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 7:51:48 AM EST
My first impression also. Looks like the pilot taxied to align on the camera, then when he realized he was out of room he had an Oh Shit moment and instead of correcting his heading he pulled up into an accelerated stall. Very bad judgment - wonder how many hours this guy had.

Originally Posted By NoFnNamesLeft:
Looks like he was trying to get the takeoff filmed the first time around. At :33, it looks like he tried to get off the water and found that there wasn't enough airspeed yet.. He sat the plane back down in the water crooked and instead of correcting; he banked on being up to speed in time to clear.

Planes run on 2 things, speed & altitude; it's OK to run low on one or the other.... not both.


Link Posted: 6/14/2009 8:00:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By Model_One:
My first impression also. Looks like the pilot taxied to align on the camera, then when he realized he was out of room he had an Oh Shit moment and instead of correcting his heading he pulled up into an accelerated stall. Very bad judgment - wonder how many hours this guy had.

Originally Posted By NoFnNamesLeft:
Looks like he was trying to get the takeoff filmed the first time around. At :33, it looks like he tried to get off the water and found that there wasn't enough airspeed yet.. He sat the plane back down in the water crooked and instead of correcting; he banked on being up to speed in time to clear.

Planes run on 2 things, speed & altitude; it's OK to run low on one or the other.... not both.



He couldn't see through the engine at that attitude. He lost track of where he was going until the shore came up on him.


Link Posted: 6/14/2009 8:04:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By eracer:
Holy crap! That cameraman almost got sliced and diced.

Anyone else think that engine didn't sound right at all?

Beavers are an old design... Radial engine....

Hence they sound different than modern birds which use boxer engines (mostly flat-4s, some flat-6s & flat-8s) or turbines...
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 8:05:24 AM EST
Tag
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 8:08:56 AM EST

Damn!
What a waste.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 8:15:39 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/15/2009 2:16:31 AM EST by joker581]
5.) Posting of someone else's personal contact information (home phone numbers, home addresses, unpublished e-mail addresses, and the like).-joker581
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 8:16:53 AM EST
is the water in the last part of the video not usable? Just thinking about a longer "runway"?
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 8:23:19 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 8:23:51 AM EST
oops
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 8:27:00 AM EST
Who would you call in a situation like that? Tow truck for planes?
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 8:28:21 AM EST

Originally Posted By kraftwerk:
Who would you call in a situation like that? Tow truck for planes?

Salvage company with a flatbed.

In Alaska?

Medium-lift Helicopter


Link Posted: 6/14/2009 8:30:34 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/14/2009 8:43:01 AM EST by realwar]
Originally Posted By Junction:
Registered Owner





So why put up the guys personal info
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 8:30:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By reelscreamer:
is the water in the last part of the video not usable? Just thinking about a longer "runway"?


At that angle of attack, the engine is COMPLETLEY blocking forward view. Pilot couldn't maintain the desired bearing. Slight cross component
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 8:30:59 AM EST
Originally Posted By Junction:
Registered Owner

...



LOL he's a SURGEON
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 8:32:05 AM EST
Originally Posted By Junction:
Registered Owner

Name: EULE JAMES M
Street: 20710 PTARMIGAN BLVD
City: EAGLE RIVER
State: ALASKA
Zip Code: 99577-6809
County: ANCHORAGE DIV
Country: UNITED STATES


very uncool there hooolio
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 8:34:52 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/14/2009 8:38:16 AM EST by Greenhorn]
That guy was pretty calm, considering a plane was heading straight towards him!


I posted this in another thread, but it's not getting much traffic since it's an old thread, so I'll post it here. Another aircraft mishap that's gotta be the most amazing I've seen, in several ways.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHUyWw17ihQ&feature=related

Turn up the speakers and listen to the cable sliding towards the camera. Also pay attention to how much that cable shakes around those huge helicoptors, and watch the guy in the green shirt. After the first cable another cable comes and hits some of the guys again, and hits the helicoptors again.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 8:43:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By kraftwerk:
Who would you call in a situation like that? Tow truck for planes?

Salvage company with a flatbed.

In Alaska?

Medium-lift Helicopter



The accident took place at Lake Hood in Anchorage. The lake is a about a half mile away from the main airport, Ted Stevens International.

Where he crashed, there are roads approximately 100 feet away. Trucks, can get in there with no problem at all.

This isn't the bush, where a a helicopter would be necessary.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 12:01:58 PM EST

Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By reelscreamer:
is the water in the last part of the video not usable? Just thinking about a longer "runway"?


At that angle of attack, the engine is COMPLETLEY blocking forward view. Pilot couldn't maintain the desired bearing. Slight cross component

True.

Look at Lake Hood on google earth. That water you see at the end is the "runway" he was aiming for. Lake hood is an airport.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 12:04:50 PM EST
woops
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 12:07:36 PM EST
Guy did a great job filming under the circumstances.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 12:09:00 PM EST
Originally Posted By 87GN:
Originally Posted By Dan1918A2:
Will not buff out.


Oh yes it will. That fuselage is fine.


I agree, it's probably salvageable. A Beaver is certainly worth the effort. Awesome bush plane, I've flown on many of them. I've come close to crashing only once. Whomever said "weight and balance" had it right.

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 12:14:05 PM EST
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 12:35:04 PM EST
Originally Posted By brasilia:
Originally Posted By Junction:
Registered Owner

Name: EULE JAMES M
Street: 20710 PTARMIGAN BLVD
City: EAGLE RIVER
State: ALASKA
Zip Code: 99577-6809
County: ANCHORAGE DIV
Country: UNITED STATES


very uncool there hooolio


What he said.

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