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Posted: 1/25/2023 8:19:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This was just brought to my attention. I'm working on getting more information. It seems to break my "A Glock clone should accept OEM Glock magazines" rule. It's my understanding (word of mouth) that,
GForce Arms gets brownie points for the modular backstraps (0 , 2 , 4 , and 6 ) and the ambidextrous magazine release. But the proprietary magazine seems like a non-starter. It's my understanding (again, word of mouth) that the proprietary magazine is driven by a desire for a slim frame based on G26 gen3 internals (e.g., fire control group). https://www.glocktalk.com/cdn-cgi/image/format=auto,onerror=redirect,width=500,height=500,fit=scale-down/https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/348220/GForceArmsLogo1_png-2685248.JPG Introducing the RAPTURE GF9 9MM Handgun GForce Arms  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMg3Ot7g75o |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 8:27:53 PM EDT
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Great job OP, |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 8:32:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I wanted a Glock, I'd just buy a Glock. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 8:33:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So it's sort of a 43x? Ya the proprietary mag it's a non-start. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 8:55:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So it's sort of a 43x? Ya the proprietary mag it's a non-start.
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Posted: 1/25/2023 8:58:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIf I wanted a Glock, I'd just buy a Glock. You'd get a better fit and tighter tolerances for sure.  
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:02:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Great job OP, |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:07:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I wanted a Glock, I'd just buy a Glock. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:14:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You'd get a better fit and tighter tolerances for sure.
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Posted: 1/26/2023 12:09:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: PSA hasn't figured out how to get their frame to curl up, yet. Glock perfection only comes with time ... https://www.glocktalk.com/cdn-cgi/image/format=auto,onerror=redirect,width=400,height=400,fit=scale-down/https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/47594/DSCN5219_JPG-2679288.jpg |
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Posted: 1/26/2023 12:14:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This picture almost makes it look like the frame width could possibly "step down" from a G26-width slide to a G43X/G48-width frame. |
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Posted: 1/26/2023 12:20:54 AM EDT
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I had no idea that DPMS was still in business
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Posted: 1/26/2023 12:28:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had no idea that DPMS was still in business
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Posted: 1/26/2023 4:14:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This was just brought to my attention. I'm working on getting more information. It seems to break my "A Glock clone should accept OEM Glock magazines" rule. It's my understanding (word of mouth) that,
GForce Arms gets brownie points for the modular backstraps (0°, 2°, 4°, and 6°) and the ambidextrous magazine release. But the proprietary magazine seems like a non-starter. It's my understanding (again, word of mouth) that the proprietary magazine is driven by a desire for a slim frame based on G26 gen3 internals (e.g., fire control group). https://www.glocktalk.com/cdn-cgi/image/format=auto,onerror=redirect,width=500,height=500,fit=scale-down/https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/348220/GForceArmsLogo1_png-2685248.JPG Introducing the RAPTURE GF9 9MM Handgun GForce Arms https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMg3Ot7g75oSeems like a non-starter. Fatter G26 slide, only 12 rd mag that is likely proprietary. |
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Posted: 1/26/2023 10:38:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You'd get a better fit and tighter tolerances for sure. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/47594/DSCN5218_JPG-2679286.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/47594/DSCN5219_JPG-2679288.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: If I wanted a Glock, I'd just buy a Glock. You'd get a better fit and tighter tolerances for sure. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/47594/DSCN5218_JPG-2679286.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/47594/DSCN5219_JPG-2679288.jpg My G21 fits together a lot like that. |
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Posted: 1/26/2023 11:01:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My G21 fits together a lot like that. |
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Posted: 1/26/2023 12:00:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems like a non-starter. Fatter G26 slide, only 12 rd mag that is likely proprietary. I'd just like to better understand the concept and the motivation behind it. Are there other Glock clones based on G26 gen3 parts? With an ambidextrous magazine release? With modular backstraps? PSA deserves credit for cloning the OEM Glock G43X and G48. However, smaller companies may not be willing to clone OEM Glock pistols involving active Glock patents. This may have been GForce Arms attempt at a hybrid Slimline pistol while avoiding active Glock patents by using gen3 parts for which the patents have expired. Not sure. |
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Posted: 1/26/2023 1:12:19 PM EDT
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Not exactly a Glock clone, but here's another interesting clone "concept" ...
Shield Arms is now offering an OEM Glock G43X/G48 frame "grip-chop service" and a 10-round version of their gen3 S15 15-round magazine. Shield Arms will chop the height of your G43X/G48 frame to just shorter than a G43 frame. The S10 10-round magazine forms a flush fit with the grip-chopped G43X/G48 frame. A grip-chopped G43X is similar in concept to the GForce Arms Rapture GF9 (G26 gen3). The Rapture GF9 has a 12-round (proprietary) ~G43-height x G43X/G48-width magazine. However, the Rapture GF9 magazine may have a magazine extension (not a flush fit) and the Rapture GF9 frame *may* be slightly taller. Eventually someone will manufacture a grip-chopped G43X/G48 clone. My money is on PSA. Obviously, PSA could cut down their Dagger™ Micro magazine to 10 - 13 rounds.
Here's the Instagram video from which I took the still pictures, Shield Arms S10 Magazine?Here's a YouTube video discussing the Shield Arms S15 gen3 15-round magazine (new manufacturer), S10 10-round magazine, and G43X grip-chop service ... Shield Arms SHOT SHOW 2023! New S10 Magazine, Soft Goods, Sling, and Integrally-Folding Lowers! The Armorer’s Fix  Shield Arms SHOT SHOW 2023! New S10 Magazine, Soft Goods, Sling, and Integrally-Folding Lowers! |
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Posted: 1/26/2023 1:45:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All of my Glocks have similar fitment. I just ignore post like that. It's obvious that he prefers Glocks. And that's his prerogative. They'll do whatever they need to do to justify the expense. Again it's okay, you do you, etc. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My G21 fits together a lot like that. You're completely wrong, I don't prefer Glocks and don't justify their expense. I handled Daggers at SHOT and expected when I put one together it would look like the ones I saw at SHOT. |
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Posted: 1/26/2023 1:53:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're completely wrong, I don't prefer Glocks and don't justify their expense. I handled Daggers at SHOT and expected when I put one together it would look like the ones I saw at SHOT. |
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Posted: 1/26/2023 3:41:39 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems like a non-starter. Fatter G26 slide, only 12 rd mag that is likely proprietary. It dawned on me ... both a G26 slide and G43X/G48 frame are 1" wide. The GForce Arms slide may not be as fat relative to the frame as I'd initially thought. ?? |
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Posted: 1/26/2023 3:51:05 PM EDT
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No ZEV OZ9 no care.
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Posted: 1/26/2023 3:58:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No ZEV OZ9 no care. |
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Posted: 1/28/2023 8:29:27 PM EDT
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Has anyone used any of Anderson's glock barrels? Whats your opinion on them?
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Posted: 2/5/2023 1:39:23 PM EDT
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Ok, finally got to shoot my G19 clone built on a Combat Armory frame, Aim Surplus frame kit, and a Dagger complete slide assembly.
Shot great, no more or less accurate in my hands than any other polymer frame striker fired pistol. Only issue was about on round 100 ( shot a total of 200 rounds), I was rapid firing. Just letting the trigger come forward enough to reset. On the last round of a 15 round mag, I got a dead trigger? Have never had that problem before, with either actual Glocks I have owned, or my Daggers. Any idea what may have caused it? The last 100 rounds was as rapid fire as I could keep the front sight on the paper plate I was shooting at. No more issues. I was only letting the trigger forward enough to reset those as well. |
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Posted: 2/5/2023 1:58:54 PM EDT
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I just picked up a complete polymer80 lower for $69.99 on sale, total cost was $87.34 shipped; and a PSA Dagger complete slide for $206.90 shipped.
So total cost of $294.24. Not bad for a Glock clone. |
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Posted: 2/6/2023 12:35:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok, finally got to shoot my G19 clone built on a Combat Armory frame, Aim Surplus frame kit, and a Dagger complete slide assembly. Shot great, no more or less accurate in my hands than any other polymer frame striker fired pistol. Only issue was about on round 100 ( shot a total of 200 rounds), I was rapid firing. Just letting the trigger come forward enough to reset. On the last round of a 15 round mag, I got a dead trigger? Have never had that problem before, with either actual Glocks I have owned, or my Daggers. Any idea what may have caused it? The last 100 rounds was as rapid fire as I could keep the front sight on the paper plate I was shooting at. No more issues. I was only letting the trigger forward enough to reset those as well. You need to check the sear engagement using an armorer's plate. Any time you mix-n-match slide assemblies, frames, and internal parts, there's a potential for poor sear engagement. |
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Posted: 2/6/2023 1:01:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You need to check the sear engagement using an armorer's plate. Any time you mix-n-match slide assemblies, frames, and internal parts, there's a potential for poor sear engagement. Appreciate it. Gives me a place to start. |
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Posted: 2/7/2023 12:32:44 PM EDT
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So what is out there for Gen4 17 compatible frames?
I was given a Brownells slide last year that works on Gen4 17 grips and I'm going to put a factory Glock barrel in it. I already have the RSA. I know I can get a Gen4 22 used LE trade in gun but then I'd have another slide to sell or part out. Not really worth it to me to do that. |
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Posted: 2/7/2023 2:43:11 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So what is out there for Gen4 17 compatible frames? I was given a Brownells slide last year that works on Gen4 17 grips and I'm going to put a factory Glock barrel in it. I already have the RSA. I know I can get a Gen4 22 used LE trade in gun but then I'd have another slide to sell or part out. Not really worth it to me to do that. I thought the company making the P90 80% frames made a complete G17 compatible frame? PSA has the full size Dagger frame that takes 17 round mags, IDK if its compatible with a G17 slide? Their nomenclature is a little confusing. I have one, and it has a G19 sized slide on it. |
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Posted: 2/7/2023 3:09:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought the company making the P90 80% frames made a complete G17 compatible frame? PSA has the full size Dagger frame that takes 17 round mags, IDK if its compatible with a G17 slide? Their nomenclature is a little confusing. I have one, and it has a G19 sized slide on it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So what is out there for Gen4 17 compatible frames? I was given a Brownells slide last year that works on Gen4 17 grips and I'm going to put a factory Glock barrel in it. I already have the RSA. I know I can get a Gen4 22 used LE trade in gun but then I'd have another slide to sell or part out. Not really worth it to me to do that. I thought the company making the P90 80% frames made a complete G17 compatible frame? PSA has the full size Dagger frame that takes 17 round mags, IDK if its compatible with a G17 slide? Their nomenclature is a little confusing. I have one, and it has a G19 sized slide on it. P80 makes a 17/22 size frame but I think it’s Gen 3 only, as least not without modification. I think there are a couple others that are likely P80 made, like Grey Ghost and Grid, too. P80 also use to make a 17 slide/19 grip version but I think it’s discontinued. Lone Wolf makes their Timberwolf in 17 size, which I think can be configured either Gen 3 or Gen 4. The Dagger S frame is 17 grip/19 slide size as far as I’ve seen, I think they have hinted that a 17 slide length frame may come at some point but I haven’t seen them. The 17 length slide they’ve had so far has been 47esque (19 frame compatible). There are some factory Glock frames that come up for sale at reasonable cost on occasion, though not as cheap as they use to be. Two years ago I saw 3 packs of used G22 frames for $99. Regret not buying some. |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 12:10:01 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought the company making the P90 80% frames made a complete G17 compatible frame? PSA has the full size Dagger frame that takes 17 round mags, IDK if its compatible with a G17 slide? Their nomenclature is a little confusing. I have one, and it has a G19 sized slide on it. Thank you. |
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Posted: 2/10/2023 12:12:57 PM EDT
[#33]
Did OP really forget Shadow Systems and Polymer80 in the giant first post?
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Posted: 2/16/2023 3:16:31 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You need to check the sear engagement using an armorer's plate. Any time you mix-n-match slide assemblies, frames, and internal parts, there's a potential for poor sear engagement. Got my armorers plate. I believe the issue is the AIM surplus connector. I ordered an OEM glock trigger bar and 5lb connector. When I gets here I will see if that fixes it. |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 3:51:07 PM EDT
[#35]
Shadow systems seems to be a glaring omission from your list.
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Posted: 2/16/2023 3:53:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Should’ve called it the “Liger” Liger please. |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 5:36:38 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Shadow systems seems to be a glaring omission from your list. Not to speak for the OP, but the thread was kinda about glock clones that cost less than a glock, the shadow systems is significantly more. |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 7:38:28 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not to speak for the OP, but the thread was kinda about glock clones that cost less than a glock, the shadow systems is significantly more. |
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Posted: 2/16/2023 8:20:29 PM EDT
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Anyone used the G19 slides from ebay? I see a few different sellers claiming they are their own brand. It's for a PSA dagger frame. There is a dagger slide I want but they never seem to go on sale.
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Posted: 2/17/2023 7:59:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are cheaper than the fax on listed here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not to speak for the OP, but the thread was kinda about glock clones that cost less than a glock, the shadow systems is significantly more. This is true. The Shadow Systems pistols just look cool. Like something John Wick would carry 
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Posted: 2/19/2023 6:11:28 PM EDT
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 Attached FileETA: I’ve been waiting, trying to figure out how to accomplish, this project for probably over a year now. Think I’ve found my solution. |
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Posted: 2/21/2023 2:05:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You need to check the sear engagement using an armorer's plate. Any time you mix-n-match slide assemblies, frames, and internal parts, there's a potential for poor sear engagement. @wickedbeernut my OEM glock trigger bar and connector showed up today, stuck them in, that fixed my issue. Thanks again for the advice! Also, anyone thinking about trying the AIM surplus glock frame parts kit, I only tried it because frankly at the time no one else had an OEM in stock I could find. I have read many negative reviews on that kit, rolled the dice, and had issues. It could have been just tolerance stacking, but the OEM glock parts fixed the issue. Be warned. |
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Posted: 2/23/2023 6:52:22 PM EDT
[#43]
Bump
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Posted: 2/25/2023 1:42:26 PM EDT
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Another 100 rounds through the Combat Armory G19 clone, 100% reliable.
I do have an extended slide release and mag release coming. I can highly recommend this frame. |
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Posted: 2/25/2023 2:15:06 PM EDT
[#45]
 Crap, crap, and more crap. I don’t understand why people get excited for even shittier versions of already shitty guns. “But it’s cheap!” Yes. WHY is it cheap? |
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Posted: 2/25/2023 5:56:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://media.tenor.com/_WLu5W00shIAAAAM/emmyawardingseries.gif Crap, crap, and more crap. I don’t understand why people get excited for even shittier versions of already shitty guns. “But it’s cheap!” Yes. WHY is it cheap?  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/26/2023 8:06:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://media.tenor.com/_WLu5W00shIAAAAM/emmyawardingseries.gif Crap, crap, and more crap. I don’t understand why people get excited for even shittier versions of already shitty guns. “But it’s cheap!” Yes. WHY is it cheap? Why are you here? What are you contributing to this thread? |
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Posted: 2/26/2023 9:08:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are you here? What are you contributing to this thread? |
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Posted: 2/26/2023 10:12:27 PM EDT
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I handled one of the Combat Armory frames today, it’s felt pretty good. I’d prefer if it was a bit more reduced/less hump in the back but the texture was pretty much the right blend of grip without going too aggressive and it felt solid. Pins were a touch tighter than factory Glock frames but that could have been the parts kit. Using straight Glock parts instead of proprietary locking blocks and rails is a plus in my book.
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Posted: 2/26/2023 10:16:20 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Daggers are showing to be extremely reliable. I have a Dagger slide on a P80 and it runs flawlessly. I have one set up the same. Around 1400-1500 rds through it so far with zero problems. I have a Dagger complete frame I got on one the PSA daily deals a bit ago. Need to break down and get a Dagger slide for it. |
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