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Posted: 5/1/2002 6:42:30 AM EDT
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Girls Made to Show Panties at School Dance Wed May 1, 8:57 AM ET By Dan Whitcomb LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Angry parents demanded the resignation of a California high school vice principal after she lifted the skirts of teenage girls at a dance to make sure they were wearing "appropriate" underwear. Parents at Rancho Bernardo High School in suburban San Diego say the vice principal, Rita Wilson, made the girls prove that they were not wearing skimpy thong panties before they were allowed into the dance on Friday. In some cases, said Rancho Bernardo parent Kim Teal, girls also were made to partially undress if Wilson or another teacher suspected that they weren't wearing bras. "These girls feel violated," said Teal, whose daughter Rebecca, a sophomore, was asked about her panties but escaped a search after telling Wilson that she was not wearing a thong. "One girl just cried after having to tell her father this story, she was hiding her head in a sweatshirt," Teal said, adding that the girls had their skirts lifted in front of men and their male classmates. "After a while the girls finally got the idea that they shouldn't say 'thong' when they were asked, even though that's all they wear now. They won't be caught dead in the locker room wearing regular underwear," she said Tuesday. Wilson and Paul Gentle, Rancho Bernardo's principal, were unavailable for comment on the skirt-lifting. Don Phillips, superintendent of the Poway Unified School District, said students, staff and others were being interviewed to determine what happened at the dance, which he said was attended by about 725 pupils. "The principal is talking with the parents involved," he said. "We are taking this seriously and want to ensure that any actions to be taken are based on the facts of the situation." Teal, a 43-year-old attorney, said she learned about the skirt-lifting from her daughter, whose friends were forced to show their panties in front of boys, teachers and police officers standing at the door. She said most of the girls who wore skirts or dresses to the dance, which had a "blast from the past" theme, reported being grilled about their underwear or forced to show them to Wilson or another teacher. Teachers also checked several boys who were wearing togas, Teal said, and some girls were asked about their bras. "I just got a call from one mom who said her daughter was wearing a poodle skirt and an off-the-shoulder top and a teacher reached right out and grabbed the front of it and pulled it down to check," Teal said. Teal said she and other parents would demand the resignation of Wilson and any other teachers involved and would also consider filing a lawsuit against the school district for violating the civil rights of their daughters.
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Civil rights suit is a start, but i would file sexual assult charges against the faculty/staff that did the actul lifting, accessory charges on any staff who did NOT object to these actions. come on.. FORCEING them to show their underware in PUBLIC, in front of their dates!?!?!?!?!?. god damn, what has the school system gone to? hiring perverts, rapists, and thieves? one wonders what would have happened had a mall ninja been security?
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 6:55:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/1/2002 6:56:31 AM EDT by alive45acp]
Yeah it is shocking and disturbing that school officals would do this. How is it any of their freakin' busisness what type of underwear someone is wearing. I think if I went to a dance and saw my High School Assministrators looking at underwear I'd forget the dance and go home. Maybe its more revolting that we condition our children to respect authority when not all authority is respectable. Just because someone who is in charge asks you to do something doesn't give them the ablity to make you oblige. Resistence to tyrannts is obiedience to God. Teach your children well. _____________________________________________ Boxers, Briefs, Boxerbriefs, or none at all
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 7:06:04 AM EDT
I knew I should have gone into teaching...
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 7:07:14 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 7:10:13 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By pdxshooter: I knew I should have gone into teaching...
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looking to get shot by a enraged twinkie laden gangbanger?? ;)
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 7:12:32 AM EDT
They talked about this on the radio on my moring drive into work. F'd up big time! Of course you see what state this is in....
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 7:19:39 AM EDT
forgot to add, The ones that DID object should get a slap on the wrist for not calling the authorities or at least the principal. but other than that i'd let the ones who did object be.
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 7:20:07 AM EDT
First you can't trust your priest now you can't trust your teachers. Where in the hell are we going in this country?
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 7:23:29 AM EDT
It's just conditioning guys, just calm down and give us all of your privacy, soooooo we can stop terrorism, drug dealing, smoking, etc...... It's for the children!
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 7:25:10 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 7: They talked about this on the radio on my moring drive into work. quote] Mine too. My reaction was a bit different tho. IMO, they missed the REAL lesson here - "Get your children OUT of the public schools." We hear about one of these "F'd up" incidents about once a month. Which means there are 1,000 more monthly that aren't reported. What can you say about an organization that freely distributes condoms "for the children" but REFUSES to allow teachers to carry a firearm to prevent a Columbine???? IMO, sending your children to that hell hole = child abuse. Hard to hear, but HOW MANY incidents like this is it gonna take????
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 7:26:10 AM EDT
Originally Posted By NOVA5: Civil rights suit is a start, but i would file sexual assult charges against the faculty/staff that did the actul lifting, accessory charges on any staff who did NOT object to these actions.
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No kidding. This story is just messed up. I think I would have a really hard time controlling my rage if this happened to my children.
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 7:39:58 AM EDT
No more underwear; for the children.
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 8:51:50 AM EDT
Originally Posted By rallywagon: No more underwear; for the children.
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only at the highschool level and above, especilly the cheerleaders.. [}:D].
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 8:58:56 AM EDT
Originally Posted By garandman: missed the REAL lesson here - "Get your children OUT of the public schools."
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i see it as an indication that parents need to be more directly involved in the public school system, not that they should retreat from it. if [b]YOU[/b] had been there, this would probably never have happened, and other parent's children would have benefitted from your interest as well.
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 8:59:14 AM EDT
Call and give them a piece of your mind then... [url]http://powayusd.sdcoe.k12.ca.us/pusdrbhs/admin/asstprincs.htm[/url] Aviator [img]www.milpubs.com/aviator.gif[/img]
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 9:05:43 AM EDT
Does anyone here remember that once upon a time, the schools were held accountable to the PTA..? Hell, does the PTA even exist these days..?
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 9:07:16 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 9:13:01 AM EDT
How many of you would be in jail for beating the shit out of the people who made your daughter show her underwear at a school function?
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 9:22:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By SteyrAUG: How many of you would be in jail for beating the shit out of the people who made your daughter show her underwear at a school function?
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Beating? [i]Assuming[/i] I get married and [i]assuming[/i] I have kids, if that happened to my daughter I would introduce that admin guy to a lovely practice known as "kneecapping".
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 9:23:17 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By SteyrAUG: How many of you would be in jail for beating the shit out of the people who made your daughter show her underwear at a school function?
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I can't guarantee that I wouldn't be. Either way, I sure as #### woundn't let it slide.
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 9:23:59 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By SteyrAUG: How many of you would be in jail for beating the shit out of the people who made your daughter show her underwear at a school function?
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Certainly I would be in jail as I would have stripped the phucker/s and staked her/him/them in front of the school.
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 9:28:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By SteyrAUG: How many of you would be in jail for beating the shit out of the people who made your daughter show her underwear at a school function?
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I am surprised that none of the boys got arrested or hauled in. I know I would not have stood to let any teacher openly grope my HS date/sweetheart.
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 9:31:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/1/2002 9:33:47 AM EDT by Blaze-Of-Glory]
Originally Posted By garandman: "Get your children OUT of the public schools." IMO, sending your children to that hell hole = child abuse.
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I'm with you. Why do parents send their children to these places?
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 9:37:47 AM EDT
I'd say it's unbelievable... but it's not, anymore.
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 9:51:45 AM EDT
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If they tried that with my date, we'd have us a killin', then I would show them MY underwear, followed immediatly by MY BARE ASS, but then again, they would like that in Kali wouldnt they?[pissed]
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 10:08:55 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory:
Originally Posted By garandman: "Get your children OUT of the public schools." IMO, sending your children to that hell hole = child abuse.
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I'm with you. Why do parents send their children to these places?
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Thats easy. Today both parents need to work to pay for their lifestyles. Most can't afford to have their kids be in a private school.
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 10:16:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 7:
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory: Why do parents send their children to these places?
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Today both parents need to work to pay for their lifestyles. Most can't afford to have their kids be in a private school.
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So why not home-school? I know it's not common, but when the alternative is sending them off to be mis-educated and molested, isn't home-schooling better for the family?
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 10:29:30 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory: So why not home-school? I know it's not common, but when the alternative is sending them off to be mis-educated and molested, isn't home-schooling better for the family?
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How many people here are confident enough in their knowledge of Ohm's Law, English Lit, or chemical reaction rates to teach it to their kids? My parents are Chem and Bio profs, so I trust them for that, but neither of them could've taught me Beowulf in the original old english.
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 10:44:49 AM EDT
I don't know where people get their ideas from. Certainly not SNL and Molly Shannon. [B)] We reap what we sow folks!!![;)]
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 10:50:01 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Spade:
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory: So why not home-school? I know it's not common, but when the alternative is sending them off to be mis-educated and molested, isn't home-schooling better for the family?
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How many people here are confident enough in their knowledge of Ohm's Law, English Lit, or chemical reaction rates to teach it to their kids? My parents are Chem and Bio profs, so I trust them for that, but neither of them could've taught me Beowulf in the original old english.
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That's a good point, but home-schooling is not impossible. You parents (the science profs) could team up with parents who are experts in English, and could share the responsibility. Anyone can buy a textbook. Anyone can buy an encyclopedia. I'm sure that ALL the knowledge taught in highschool can be found on the internet. If it's not all covered by educational software currently available, it will be soon. I admit it would take more work than sending kids to public school; but in a lot of areas, it is simply no longer realistic to expect children to get a good education in public school, and realistic parents owe it to their families to accept this fact and react.
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 10:54:23 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory: That's a good point, but home-schooling is not impossible. I admit it would take more work than sending kids to public school; but in a lot of areas, it is simply no longer realistic to expect children to get a good education in public school, and realistic parents owe it to their families to accept this fact and react.
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Not impossible, but difficult. Private school is a much easier option for most people, especially if both parents work. My first high school was the local Catholic school. It was about, oh 30x, better in academics and in discipline than my public middile school. And the girl's skirts didn't hurt any either.
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 11:20:37 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Spade: I would introduce that admin guy to a lovely practice known as "kneecapping".
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It was a female vice principal who did it. Maybe she is a lesbian who was getting her jollies?
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 11:23:22 AM EDT
Originally Posted By loonybin: It was a female vice principal who did it. Maybe she is a lesbian who was getting her jollies?
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Part of me wants to say "Makes no difference, I'd still do it" And another parts says "heheheh. lesbians..."
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 11:35:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By lurker:
Originally Posted By garandman: missed the REAL lesson here - "Get your children OUT of the public schools."
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i see it as an indication that parents need to be more directly involved in the public school system, not that they should retreat from it. if [b]YOU[/b] had been there, this would probably never have happened, and other parent's children would have benefitted from your interest as well.
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Allow me to analogize...... Reagan didn't wish to REFORM Communism - he wished to see it DIE. NO freedom loving person wished to reform Fascist Italy - they sought its demise. The public school system is evil at its root - its a Marxist brainchild (see the Ten Meausres of Marism, namely free education for all in public scholls) which puts the gov't in control of impresssionable young minds. See what Hitler did with such power. Public schools are the VERY ESSENCE of big gov't - the centralization of power, for the purpose of later abusing it. In teh meantime training young children to embrace the coming slavery. Via public schools, the gov't FORCES me to pay for the teaching of the VERY beliefs that I attribute to the destruction of America. While screaming "separation of church and state" they teach the separation of man from God. I am forced to PAY for their "religion" - making a mockery of their pseudo claims of "separation." Its about the correlation of matter and anti-matter vs. the correlation of religion and anti-religion. Separation of church and state is a Utopian myth which never has and never will exist. No, I don't wish to "reform" the public schools system - I look forward to its death.
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 11:42:16 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 7:
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory:
Originally Posted By garandman: "Get your children OUT of the public schools." IMO, sending your children to that hell hole = child abuse.
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I'm with you. Why do parents send their children to these places?
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Thats easy. Today both parents need to work to pay for their lifestyles. Most can't afford to have their kids be in a private school.
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Highlighting my point - SOME parents need to make a decision as to which is more important - their "lifesytle" (big house, new car, nice clothes, hip vacations), or.... the physical safety, moral well-being and overall health of their child. In my black-and-white world, that's a no-brainer.
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 11:59:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/1/2002 11:59:48 AM EDT by SteyrAUG]
G'man and BOG, on the topic of home schooling. I intend to home school my children. However, many parents BOTH work full time jobs for meager salaries to just get by. This leaves no extra money for private school. This leaves no extra time for any suitable home education. Home schooling is a full time job. In addition we ALL are paying for that damn public school. As a result we "should" not abandon it, but MAKE them conform. Simply rescuing our children from their government indoctrination program is not enough. They are cranking out millions of socialist/communists daily. This is in all probability the greatest threat to our freedom.
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 12:30:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/1/2002 12:31:11 PM EDT by Skammy]
Independent Study! The teacher sends you the work in the mail and you finish it up and mail it back and get graded... I did this for three years of high school [url]http://www.laurelsprings.com/[/url]
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 12:31:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 7:
Originally Posted By Blaze-Of-Glory:
Originally Posted By garandman: "Get your children OUT of the public schools." IMO, sending your children to that hell hole = child abuse.
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I'm with you. Why do parents send their children to these places?
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Thats easy. Today both parents need to work to pay for their lifestyles. Most can't afford to have their kids be in a private school.
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Just think how many more people could afford to send their children to private schooling, if their were no property taxes, and no public schools. Increased demand for private schooling would necessitate an increase in supply. There would be a wide array of cheaper and more expensive schools. In fact, there are many inexpensive schools like that already (my wife taught for one). Many of her students parents were dirt poor and lived in beat up trailer homes, but they valued their child's moral and mental education over the many luxuries that many today consider "necessary".
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 12:48:40 PM EDT
I have said this before,Thank god for my sake i don't have any daughters ,only sons. I would end up in jail because of these morons. What goes through their heads,do they say "this seems like a good idea?" Where is their normal thought process?
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 1:02:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SteyrAUG: G'man and BOG, on the topic of home schooling. I intend to home school my children.
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Very good. I applaud that.
However, many parents BOTH work full time jobs for meager salaries to just get by. This leaves no extra money for private school. This leaves no extra time for any suitable home education. Home schooling is a full time job.
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I know this is bandied about as fact, but that DOES NOT make it true. I personally have FAR too much evidence that disproves this notion. I can give you a DOZEN families that work for VERY low wages and still either home school or send to private school (BTW, you DO NOT have to spend $6-16K per year on private school) I can give you numerous pastors who work just above the poverty level (whose wives do not work at all) that pay for non-public education (in addition to funding the anti-God public schools under penalty of law) BTW, these children, almost all of them, went on to IMMENSELY successful college and work careers, and tested among the sharpest of their peers. Even the home schooled ones. Today, their is an erroneous notion that education is about imparting scientific facts, or geometric theorems, or philosophical nuances, or psychological profiles. Education has NOTHING to do with these. Education is about imparting the ability to THINK critically, and digest whatever information the child may encounter in their OWN travels. And pretty much ANYONE, other than someone with a mental handicap, can do that. Lastly, I give you myself. My dad drew a technicians salary and my mom scrubbed floors at a local nursing home to send me to private school. I graduated in the top 5% in the nation in English, and the Top 10% in science and math. (ANd only tht low becasue I was lazy) The simple reality is we can afford / accomplish whatever we really [b]WANT [/b]to accomplish. Lack of money, lack of time, lack of technical knowledge or formal training as an educator are simply EXCUSES to NOT have to give up the big house or the new car for what they KNOW to be more important - the proper education of their child, as the means for the survival of the nation. Its the plague of selfishness - which we all battle.
In addition we ALL are paying for that damn public school. As a result we "should" not abandon it, but MAKE them conform. Simply rescuing our children from their government indoctrination program is not enough. They are cranking out millions of socialist/communists daily. This is in all probability the greatest threat to our freedom.
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Your tilting windmills my friend. The system is corrupt, and beyond rescue. We need to raise warriors to fight the socialist / communist system, one of which's greatest achievements was the establishment of the public school system. There's no need to enlist the enemy to train our children to fight the enemy. Such thinking is foolhardy in the extreme.
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 1:11:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By garandman: Lastly, I give you myself. I graduated in the top 5% in the nation in English, and the Top 10% in science and math. (ANd only tht low becasue I was lazy)
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And the top .000001% in argumentation. [smash]
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 1:16:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By garandman: I know this is bandied about as fact, but that DOES NOT make it true. I personally have FAR too much evidence that disproves this notion.
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Maybe in your area. But I guarantee you those opportunties are not present everywhere. I personally know several people caught in this catch 22. As for me I want my children to have the BEST education possible. I don't have any yet but have already researched my options. There are actually "Home School" Programs in many areas. Basically where you get together with other home school parents for organized instruction, field trips, etc. This gives your children contact with other children and provides additional sources of information. Not every parent is qaulified to teach physics. This is probably the route I will go.
Originally Posted By garandman: Your tilting windmills my friend.
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Quite possibly. But I will continue to sandbag them as much as possible. It's fun.
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 1:23:46 PM EDT
Whats with this lady she must think she's a friggin priest not a vp
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 1:25:38 PM EDT
With this kind of crap going on I can see the logic of Cal. not wanting anyone to have a gun they feel a normal human with a gun would probably shoot half the bastards the run that state.
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 1:49:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Spade: I would introduce that admin guy to a lovely practice known as "kneecapping".
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The IRA, those pioneers of payback, have upped the ante on kneecapping. They now have a little thing called the "Black and Decker" treatment. There are no ballistics or spent cartridge casings on a 3/8" masonry bit. And it's much slower.
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 2:02:09 PM EDT
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If I was in school I would be all for it, it would just save me the time to check for thong underwear myself. Back when i was in school this was my Major subject.[BD] Don't get me wrong, If it was my daughter id would be pissed.
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 2:03:38 PM EDT
we're getting off subject here...why were these girls made to show the administrator what they were wearing in the first place? As far as i know, dresses typically cover up areas of the body where underwear is worn anyway...so the real issue shouldn't have been the underwear, it should have been with the dress. (too revealing or whatever). oh yeah...prom is this friday. i doubt my date would let this happen anyway, all five feet two and 110 pounds of her. And if she wouldn't stand up to the illegal search, i sure as hell would for her.
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 2:12:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By garandman: SOME parents need to make a decision as to which is more important - their "lifesytle" (big house, new car, nice clothes, hip vacations), or.... the physical safety, moral well-being and overall health of their child.
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Parents can do what's best for their children AND maintain their wealth. It need not be a trade-off. If there's not already a complete high-school curriculum on CD-rom for home-schooling, I'm going to produce one, and sell it for a reasonable price. Parents who choose home-schooling should sue to recover the taxes taken from them for public education.
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 2:16:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ar10er: It's just conditioning guys, just calm down and give us all of your privacy, soooooo we can stop terrorism, drug dealing, smoking, etc...... It's for the children!
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Exactly. It's all about taking away our f****** rights so "we can stop terrorism". I know it's off topic, but I know some of you have seen the crap airports have turned into. Start up the racial profiling and show off those M-16's. I hate those people that all make you take off your shoes and wave that little wand on you. It's pure crap. Someone looks suspicious, the National Guard is there with M-16's and stops them, questions them. Just that simple. None of this airport security bs. If that was my girl who was getting her skirt lifted I'd beat that muther f****** and cut off his balls.
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 2:18:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SteyrAUG: I intend to home school my children. However, many parents BOTH work full time jobs for meager salaries to just get by. This leaves no extra money for private school.
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As said above by others, some private schools are affordable. The more students there are demanding private schooling, the lower the price would become. Private schools would compete with each other -- by decreasing price and increasing quality -- to attract students.
This leaves no extra time for any suitable home education. Home schooling is a full time job.
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Children given the right resources could teach themselves while there parents are at work. Parents would have to teach reading, responsibility, and critical thinking -- and give their kids books and software; kids could take it from there.
In addition we ALL are paying for that damn public school. As a result we "should" not abandon it, but MAKE them conform.
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People have trying to fix the broken public educational system for decades, and I am not optimistic. I think public education was a bad idea from the start. We all are being taxed for it, but that would go away if enough people sued to get their tax back, and if enough people took their kids out of the public education system.
Link Posted: 5/1/2002 2:27:43 PM EDT
Oh, come on, guys. How many of YOU would turn down the job of "underwear inspector" at the local girls' high school?? [:p]
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