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Posted: 11/20/2012 11:37:01 AM EST
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/20/gingrich-the-gop-misunderstood-the-electorate-in-2012/


Gingrich is critical of Governor Romney’s failure to engage with the media personalities who shape and influence popular culture. He noted disapprovingly that Romney turned down invitations to appear on The Colbert Report, The View and Nickelodeon’s Kids Pick the President, while President Obama was a guest on all three. The former house speaker appeared on The View with his wife, Callista, last week, but was doggedly critical of the mainstream media as a candidate, slamming CNN’s John King for peddling "trash,” blasting the "elite media,” and lamenting their "gotcha questions.” …


if that's what it takes to become president these daze, we're all fucked.... romney may have lost the election, but he kept his dignity.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 11:37:25 AM EST
Filed under "Monday Morning Quarterbacking".
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 11:43:12 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/20/2012 11:44:35 AM EST by paris-dakar]
Originally Posted By bruzz123:
if that's what it takes to become president these daze, we're all fucked.... romney may have lost the election, but he kept his dignity.


More and more I'm coming to this conclusion as well.

Of course Newt has always lived in a 'dignity optional' zone. Maybe he would have been the right choice.

Link Posted: 11/20/2012 11:45:47 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 11:52:37 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/20/2012 11:53:02 AM EST by Thrasymachus]
Kind of a tautology. Of course he didn't understand the electorate because he didn't win the election. If he understood the electorate he would of won.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:02:15 PM EST
Its not like the GOP wanted to win anyway... right. Right?
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:03:29 PM EST
well, sort of... obamas the "rock star" where nothing of merit actually matters to those who vote for him.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:11:16 PM EST
Originally Posted By zuuk:
Its not like the GOP wanted to win anyway... right. Right?


Agree. Twice they gave the nation losers. First the RINO McCain and then the white Zero, Mittens.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:21:35 PM EST

Originally Posted By paris-dakar:
Originally Posted By bruzz123:
if that's what it takes to become president these daze, we're all fucked.... romney may have lost the election, but he kept his dignity.


More and more I'm coming to this conclusion as well.

Of course Newt has always lived in a 'dignity optional' zone. Maybe he would have been the right choice.


This. Romney was my last choice during the primaries. Once he was "the guy", he had my vote, but I still didn't like him. Once Ryan came on board, I was enthusiastic about Ryan, and became a little more open minded about Romney. By election day, I actually -liked- Romney.

Romney ran a good race, and as mentioned above, he kept his dignity. It's not his fault that the electorate wants a pop star to run the country, while handing out free shit, as opposed to a boring old white guy who can successfully manage a country / business.

Romney did well. He didn't lose the race...there were simply not enough votes for him to win from the get-go. The population has shifted. We've reached the crest, and fallen into the trough. It's time to recognize the situation for what it is.

Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:25:49 PM EST
Originally Posted By motoguy:

Originally Posted By paris-dakar:
Originally Posted By bruzz123:
if that's what it takes to become president these daze, we're all fucked.... romney may have lost the election, but he kept his dignity.


More and more I'm coming to this conclusion as well.

Of course Newt has always lived in a 'dignity optional' zone. Maybe he would have been the right choice.


This. Romney was my last choice during the primaries. Once he was "the guy", he had my vote, but I still didn't like him. Once Ryan came on board, I was enthusiastic about Ryan, and became a little more open minded about Romney. By election day, I actually -liked- Romney.

Romney ran a good race, and as mentioned above, he kept his dignity. It's not his fault that the electorate wants a pop star to run the country, while handing out free shit, as opposed to a boring old white guy who can successfully manage a country / business.

Romney did well. He didn't lose the race...there were simply not enough votes for him to win from the get-go. The population has shifted. We've reached the crest, and fallen into the trough. It's time to recognize the situation for what it is.



This is more or less correct.

Barring a population reducing virus that only affects urban areas, the Republican / conservative ticket will not win another presidential election. (Thats my prediction).

The makeup of America has changed such that the majority that controls the electoral college outcome is part of the FSA. Doesn't matter who the Rs run, they cannot win.


Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:29:24 PM EST
Originally Posted By 4v50:
Originally Posted By zuuk:
Its not like the GOP wanted to win anyway... right. Right?


Agree. Twice they gave the nation losers. First the RINO McCain and then the white Zero, Mittens.



Yep. As long as they keep running RINO's, they'll keep losing.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:36:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By 4v50:
Originally Posted By zuuk:
Its not like the GOP wanted to win anyway... right. Right?


Agree. Twice they gave the nation losers. First the RINO McCain and then the white Zero, Mittens.

When I said something similar before the election (white Mormon Obama), Cincinnatus told me that made me sound really, really dumb.

Does it still sound dumb? I'm having trouble keeping track . . .

Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:40:26 PM EST
Originally Posted By motoguy:

Originally Posted By paris-dakar:
Originally Posted By bruzz123:
if that's what it takes to become president these daze, we're all fucked.... romney may have lost the election, but he kept his dignity.


More and more I'm coming to this conclusion as well.

Of course Newt has always lived in a 'dignity optional' zone. Maybe he would have been the right choice.


This. Romney was my last choice during the primaries. Once he was "the guy", he had my vote, but I still didn't like him. Once Ryan came on board, I was enthusiastic about Ryan, and became a little more open minded about Romney. By election day, I actually -liked- Romney.

Romney ran a good race, and as mentioned above, he kept his dignity. It's not his fault that the electorate wants a pop star to run the country, while handing out free shit, as opposed to a boring old white guy who can successfully manage a country / business.

Romney did well. He didn't lose the race...there were simply not enough votes for him to win from the get-go. The population has shifted. We've reached the crest, and fallen into the trough. It's time to recognize the situation for what it is.



I went to bed at 8:30 election night thinking Mitt would win and there couldn't possibly be that many morons in my beloved country. I was wrong.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:42:34 PM EST
Originally Posted By bruzz123:
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/20/gingrich-the-gop-misunderstood-the-electorate-in-2012/


Gingrich is critical of Governor Romney’s failure to engage with the media personalities who shape and influence popular culture. He noted disapprovingly that Romney turned down invitations to appear on The Colbert Report, The View and Nickelodeon’s Kids Pick the President, while President Obama was a guest on all three. The former house speaker appeared on The View with his wife, Callista, last week, but was doggedly critical of the mainstream media as a candidate, slamming CNN’s John King for peddling "trash,” blasting the "elite media,” and lamenting their "gotcha questions.” …


if that's what it takes to become president these daze, we're all fucked.... romney may have lost the election, but he kept his dignity.

Yeah, fuck the electorate, bunch of idiots anyway

Link Posted: 11/20/2012 12:45:42 PM EST
I hate this woulda, coulda, shoulda bullshit. Romney sucked!! We ran a guy, that lost to a guy, that lost to Obama last time around. What the fuck did we think would happen?
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:02:20 PM EST
The GOP can not win with the old relics in the Beltway. Need new blood that will bring some new perspective relative to what voters want. Newt is damaged goods like McCain and the others. Too much "insert foot in mouth" BS sunk the election for Romney.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:04:06 PM EST
Newt please go away...
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:05:51 PM EST
Originally Posted By RABIDFOX50:
The GOP can not win with the old relics in the Beltway. Need new blood that will bring some new perspective relative to what voters want. Newt is damaged goods like McCain and the others. Too much "insert foot in mouth" BS sunk the election for Romney.


The 'foot in mouth BS' was some of Romney's best stuff.

In retrospect he ought to have embraced his 47% remarks. It would have done a lot to increase turnout among the base, IMO.

The kind of people who are satisfied with the level of government spending we have now aren't ever going to vote GOP anyway. Why blur the distinction?
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:07:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/20/2012 1:08:14 PM EST by rfm05]
GOP simply didn't offer enough free stuff/money. It's sad, but true.
2016 strategy should focus on the younger crowd, perhaps making student loans extinguishable in bankruptcy just like all other debts.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:10:26 PM EST
Marco Rubio in '16!
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:16:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By Bonk2029:

I went to bed at 8:30 election night thinking Mitt would win and there couldn't possibly be that many morons in my beloved country. I was wrong.

I was shellshocked. I was working that night, and watching the election results online. I was confident, CERTAIN that Romney would win. Obama stepped on his dick throughout the whole campaign (Benghazi, 1st debate, stupid Biden comments, etc), Romney was found to be a personable, likeable person in spite of the MSM daggering, etc. The Republican / anti-Obama base seemed highly energized, the Obama base was ho-hum, independents swaying strongly for Romney...I just didn't see how it -couldn't- happen.

By the end of the night, I was dumbfounded.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:16:45 PM EST
Originally Posted By bruzz123:
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/11/20/gingrich-the-gop-misunderstood-the-electorate-in-2012/


Gingrich is critical of Governor Romney’s failure to engage with the media personalities who shape and influence popular culture. He noted disapprovingly that Romney turned down invitations to appear on The Colbert Report, The View and Nickelodeon’s Kids Pick the President, while President Obama was a guest on all three. The former house speaker appeared on The View with his wife, Callista, last week, but was doggedly critical of the mainstream media as a candidate, slamming CNN’s John King for peddling "trash,” blasting the "elite media,” and lamenting their "gotcha questions.” …


if that's what it takes to become president these daze, we're all fucked.... romney may have lost the election, but he kept his dignity.


show's gingrich's age.

i heard ron paul said that with the advent of the interweb, the MSM doesnt dominate like it used to. I agree. its an argument i have all the time with conservative friends who loath the MSM. i dont loath it. i dont watch it. i get my info from places that dont insult me. as do just about everyone else in all political spectrums.

romney lost because obama's faithful didnt feel betrayed enough to elect the 2008 runner up to a guy who himself couldnt generate much conservative enthusiasm.

if romney's personality or ideas could have transcended conservative media and generated some interest on the left he might have won. he didnt loose because he would appear on some crappy tv shows.. he lost because he had little to offer to those who might have decided to change their vote from democratic to republikan.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:18:21 PM EST
Fuck Newt.

Fuck Obama.

Fuck politicians in general.



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Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:19:12 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:20:36 PM EST
The GOP's new strategy for 2016 is apparently hoping that a space ark full of white male Christians is going to land here between then and now.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:21:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By Zhukov:
I AM REALLY SICK AND TIRED OF ALL THE MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACKING.

If only the Republicans ditched the religion.
If only the Republicans had someone other than Romney.
If only the Republicans had engaged the media.
etc.
etc.
etc.

JUST STOP IT ALREADY!
Yes, quit trying to figure out what went wrong. Lets pretend it didn't happen and do the exact same thing next time.

Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:21:36 PM EST
LOL@ Newt.


Rand Paul 2016.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:22:50 PM EST
So Romney lost because he didn't care about spreading his message to the majority of the country? Shocking.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:23:23 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:25:15 PM EST
Oh well.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:28:05 PM EST
White female voters, particularly the younger ones IIRC. GOP needs to embrace secularism and send candidates like Santorum to the ash heap of history. What was the dumbass with the rape comments name, Akin???


Gingrich needs to FOAD too!!!!
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:28:15 PM EST
Here's why I don't care anymore....


The GOP has already clearly stated to me that they are completely onboard with the idea of our nation heading down the road to socialism. Why? Boehner has no fucking backbone and the entire party is made up of eunuchs. Even today after the losses we sustained in the election, we could still kill Obamacare by not funding it; we control the House. Yet the GOP has already stated "we're not going to contest it". Yeah, same thing happened when Bush was in the White House and we had full control of Congress, yet Nancy Pelosi was dictating shit to be done from a fucking minority position?!

Fuck this party. They both want socialism. If you can't see the whole good cop/bad cop game that's being played here, well enjoy keeping your head in the sand.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:29:55 PM EST
Originally Posted By KA3B:
Marco Rubio in '16!


Someone told me he recently made a comment doubting current science estimates of how old the Earth is????

Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:29:56 PM EST
Originally Posted By basicAR:
Fuck Newt.

Fuck Obama.

Fuck politicians in general.



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You forgot one:

Fuck the Millions of Voters who did not vote.

Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:31:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By TexasSmooth:
Here's why I don't care anymore....


The GOP has already clearly stated to me that they are completely onboard with the idea of our nation heading down the road to socialism. Why? Boehner has no fucking backbone and the entire party is made up of eunuchs. Even today after the losses we sustained in the election, we could still kill Obamacare by not funding it; we control the House. Yet the GOP has already stated "we're not going to contest it". Yeah, same thing happened when Bush was in the White House and we had full control of Congress, yet Nancy Pelosi was dictating shit to be done from a fucking minority position?!

Fuck this party. They both want socialism. If you can't see the whole good cop/bad cop game that's being played here, well enjoy keeping your head in the sand.

This. I now fully consider myself conservative, which has nothing to do with the Republican party. Until we've got more folks like Rand Paul and Paul Ryan lined up, I have no use for them. I've (nearly) washed my hands of politics since this election. The country is headed to shit, my goal now is to prepare my family. Let the people have what they voted for. Fuck them.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:31:51 PM EST
Originally Posted By motoguy:

Originally Posted By paris-dakar:
Originally Posted By bruzz123:
if that's what it takes to become president these daze, we're all fucked.... romney may have lost the election, but he kept his dignity.


More and more I'm coming to this conclusion as well.

Of course Newt has always lived in a 'dignity optional' zone. Maybe he would have been the right choice.


This. Romney was my last choice during the primaries. Once he was "the guy", he had my vote, but I still didn't like him. Once Ryan came on board, I was enthusiastic about Ryan, and became a little more open minded about Romney. By election day, I actually -liked- Romney.

Romney ran a good race, and as mentioned above, he kept his dignity. It's not his fault that the electorate wants a pop star to run the country, while handing out free shit, as opposed to a boring old white guy who can successfully manage a country / business.

Romney did well. He didn't lose the race...there were simply not enough votes for him to win from the get-go. The population has shifted. We've reached the crest, and fallen into the trough. It's time to recognize the situation for what it is.



I think you're spot on.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:32:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
LOL@ Newt.

Rand Paul 2016.

Oh cool we agree on something now.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:34:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By Kuraki:

I think you're spot on.

The problem I have, is that I no longer feel I know how to fight for the country I love. As of Election night, I feel the ballot box is broken. We have turned into a Democracy, and the leaches have outbred the productive members of society. I absolutely feel the direction of the country will never again head in the direction I want to see, if the ballot box is our only tool of change.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:35:44 PM EST
Originally Posted By FivespeedF150:

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
LOL@ Newt.

Rand Paul 2016.

Oh cool we agree on something now.



He opposed NDAA and favores ending the War On Drugs, he'll never get out of the initial primaries.

I agree though he is what is needed.

Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:39:26 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/20/2012 1:40:20 PM EST by MTUSA]
GOP lost because of the changing mindsets (Alinsky brainwashing) and demographics.

A true conservative will never sit in the Oval Office ever again.

A cool young, hip, RINO Santa Claus has a slim chance but why bother. More of the same.

The majority of the electorate now is a bunch of secular, lazy, where's my shit dirt bags.

Want proof? Fo' mo bitches....

The government we deserve.






Rand Paul 2016
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:44:44 PM EST
Originally Posted By fatalerror113:
The GOP's new strategy for 2016 is apparently hoping that a space ark full of white male Christians is going to land here between then and now.


Do you ever stop with this shit

Link Posted: 11/20/2012 1:47:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By FlashHole:
Originally Posted By fatalerror113:
The GOP's new strategy for 2016 is apparently hoping that a space ark full of white male Christians is going to land here between then and now.


Do you ever stop with this shit

What shit?

Causing sensitive sallies to get butt hurt? No.

Link Posted: 11/20/2012 2:00:48 PM EST
I am seeing more and more Christian bashing on Twitter and other places. Basically if you believe in creationism, etc, you are being branded an idiot by democrat voters and that your Christian faith is everything that is wrong with the republican party.

While I am not a Christian (Buddhist), I was raised knowing the bible and I hate to see anyone's faith belittled and used as a manner to ostracize a large block of people.

Most Christians I know work very hard on their faith and see it as something good in the world. To see it as a veritable "scarlet letter" greatly saddens me.

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Link Posted: 11/20/2012 2:05:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By fatalerror113:

Originally Posted By Zhukov:
I AM REALLY SICK AND TIRED OF ALL THE MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACKING.

If only the Republicans ditched the religion.
If only the Republicans had someone other than Romney.
If only the Republicans had engaged the media.
etc.
etc.
etc.

JUST STOP IT ALREADY!
Yes, quit trying to figure out what went wrong. Lets pretend it didn't happen and do the exact same thing next time.



It's so much more comfortable that way.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 2:11:19 PM EST
Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
Originally Posted By fatalerror113:

Originally Posted By Zhukov:
I AM REALLY SICK AND TIRED OF ALL THE MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACKING.

If only the Republicans ditched the religion.
If only the Republicans had someone other than Romney.
If only the Republicans had engaged the media.
etc.
etc.
etc.

JUST STOP IT ALREADY!
Yes, quit trying to figure out what went wrong. Lets pretend it didn't happen and do the exact same thing next time.



It's so much more comfortable that way.


Keep letting religious crackpots lead the party and you/we will keep losing. In hindsight the loss is unsurprising, a man who wishes to ban birth control was a front runner at one point and a gimme Senate seat was lost after a candidate said rape victims should be forced to give birth to their rapist's child.

Link Posted: 11/20/2012 2:13:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/20/2012 2:15:50 PM EST by Silver_Surfer]
Originally Posted By fatalerror113:

Originally Posted By FlashHole:
Originally Posted By fatalerror113:
The GOP's new strategy for 2016 is apparently hoping that a space ark full of white male Christians is going to land here between then and now.


Do you ever stop with this shit

What shit?

Causing sensitive sallies to get butt hurt? No.



Heterosexual males w/aids.(see other thread
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 2:21:26 PM EST
The Republican party has alowed themselves to be portrayed as the party of the rich either through their action or inaction. I'm not sure how they fix that.

Something that I suspect hurt them is when they opposed middle class tax cuts unless it included a tax cut for the wealthy. I understand their motivation. they feared that if the obama administration got the middle class tax cut as a stand alone bill they could never get their wealthy tax cut later. In hind sight a better approach might have been support any and all tax cuts for anyone.

In the future if the Dems propose a tax cut only for rufus the stunt bum it should get 100% GOP support proving to everyone that the GOP is the party of lower taxes.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 2:23:27 PM EST
Originally Posted By kozaki:

Originally Posted By 4v50:
Originally Posted By zuuk:
Its not like the GOP wanted to win anyway... right. Right?


Agree. Twice they gave the nation losers. First the RINO McCain and then the white Zero, Mittens.

When I said something similar before the election (white Mormon Obama), Cincinnatus told me that made me sound really, really dumb.

Does it still sound dumb? I'm having trouble keeping track . . .



Yes it does. Mittens may not be the conservative we all wanted, but he is not at all like 0bama. Does anyone really think MR would be waging a war on success and capitalism the way zero and his minions are? I'd bet that MR accomplishes more before lunch any given day than zero does in a week. He has a strong work ethic, while zero admits to being lazy.

I could go on, but you get the picture. You can pick apart Mitt on many things, but it is not reasonable to call him a white Mormon 0bama.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 2:31:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By Zhukov:
I AM REALLY SICK AND TIRED OF ALL THE MONDAY MORNING QUARTERBACKING.

If only the Republicans ditched the religion.
If only the Republicans had someone other than Romney.
If only the Republicans had engaged the media.
etc.
etc.
etc.

JUST STOP IT ALREADY!

If only we had won.
Link Posted: 11/20/2012 2:34:41 PM EST
If going on the Colbert Report is what it takes, then that's what it takes. losing an election with dignity is not an effective strategy for governance. the point of all that campaigning stuff is to get people to vote for you.

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Link Posted: 11/20/2012 2:35:58 PM EST
GOP took all the momentum and success that they had in 2010 and took a giant @#$% on it. They basically took everything that worked and said screw it let's just go back to doing what we did in 08'.

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