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There’s enough room in that turret for Oktoberfest!
Cool pics thanks! |
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They really need to re-paint that Tiger II with a real Wehrmachct cammo scheme, not that inaccurate job it's done in now.
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Not when the long-ass 88mm ammo that's stored in the turret bustle is in place. And that is a CRIME of the first order to have cut those sections out of the side of that historic artefact! |
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I think it looks good. |
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Looks like they started to do a Normandy-style "Ambush scheme", but omitted the tan/green/brown "dots". Also, it's my understanding that the "official" interior color was white, not tan. |
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THe most feared tank in thew European Front; can take out a Sherman up to a mile with the 88mm main gun and was virtually unstoppable.
The tank that made German Ace Michael Wittman the Tank Ace of WW2; He was credited with the destruction of 138 Allied tanks and 132 anti-tank guns in less than two years before being killed by a coordinated attack by five Canadian Sherman tanks, who jumper his single Tiger tank. |
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The colors aren't that bad. All German armor that left the factory in "panzer yellow" were given several tins of concintrated paint (picture a big-assed tin of Kiwi shoe polish). One green, one brown and one "yellow". When they hit the field, the crews were to thin the paint with gasoline and use the on-board air compressor to spray an "aproved" camo scheme. Some units tried to "standardise" the scheme....others didn't give a damn and let the individual tank crews have free reign. And depending on how much the paint was thinned with gas, you could have greens ranging from dark forest all the way to pea green. Same with browns.....anything from dark chocolate to almost rust red. So when it comes to German armor, there really is no correct color or pattern. |
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"tan" DOES NOT = RAL 7028 (Dunklegelb) "green" DOES NOT = RAL 6003 (Olivgrun) "brown" DOES NOT = RAL 8017 (Rotbraun) |
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It should be noted that Wittman commanded a Tiger I and not the bigger Tiger II. Also of note, there is not a single documented case of a Tiger II being penetrated from the front. |
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I don't think the colours are an issue... There's a gaping big hole in the side of the tank which is a bit more obvious. It's a shame they did that.
There is some dispute as to whether or not the T26E4 Super-Pershing could have penetrated a Tiger II frontally. Probably wouldn't have taken the hit from the long 88 though. I just wish to make one correction...
Should read "I had a chance to visit the mediocre Patton Museum in Fort Knox..." Bovington (UK) and the Military Vehicle Technology Foundation (California) are both far better. Aberdeen has a great collection, but the vehicles are in a terrible state. I have yet to go visit the one in Moscow, which is probably the best tank museum in the world. Samur and Munster are also in the running, by reputation. The highlight of the Patton Museum is the T-28 they have sitting outside the front. NTM |
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You're right; it was a Tiger I Mid Production model. I kinda dropped the ball on that one. |
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hehe, cool... that kettenkard(sp?) is bad ass. my best friend in highschool had one in his garage. it ran, but he always needed new pads for it. so i never got to ride on it:( i miss that guy.
hehe he had a kubel too, on the side of his house. |
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OH please! give it up. You got bitch slapped and you know it. OK?............................ Sarge? |
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Whe I went to the Motor Officer course, our building was near the old Patton Museum restoration workshop.
That kettenkrad was in being restored then. Their machine shop was awesome. If they couldn't find a part through their PRE-INTERNET parts network, they'd make it. |
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I think Germany had on a few hunderd of these bad boys, but there was like a few hundred thousand Shermans, shear overwhelming numbers of them. |
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I got to sit in the turret of 332 when I visited the museum on graduation day. The curator was in the tank, adding some stuff for display, and I asked if I could climb in and sit in the cdr's seat, and he said "Sure, come on up.". A religious experience for me...
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My father really was glad he never had to face a Konigstiger. As an anti-tank gunner his 75mm would not do jack to them.
He did see many Panthers and a few Tiger I's but mostly pzkw IV's. Not a good idea to shoot at the Tigers, just tended to piss them off. Panthers could be taken out but it still wasn't easy. |
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I thought Wittman rode a Tiger I !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And he was taken out by a Typhoon! |
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Quite a few males are red/green colorblind. I see that you are one of them. Any sane, rational person looking at the above pics would agree. That's just my opinion, but I'm right. And it has already been established that I am not Sarge. Besides having a not completly favorable opinion of the Catholic Church, there is a pic somewhere of me standing next to him an a NorCal quarry shoot. |
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The Germans used so many different colour schemes during the war, I would be very reluctant to claim that white with pink polka-dots was not a 'real' pattern.
One of the modelling magazines used to have a regular feature called 'There's a prototype for everything.' They'd take pictures of things which you know if you put it on a model at a show, you'd have some smart-arse come up and say "That's wrong/stupid/inaccurate." The point was to show that almost anything can happen in real life. NTM |
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I believe the Canadian Sherman that got him was a "Firefly" version with a "17-pounder" high-velocity maingun. Wittmann started out the war in a Stug III during the Balkan campaign and died commanding a Tiger I Mk VI in France. |
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The sad part is the French have the only running Tiger II in the world. But the Brits finally have a Tiger I up and running!!!!
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There is a bit of a debate what killed Wittman's Tiger I tank, his tank showed no signs of being penetrated by a gun. Signs appear consistant with a Typhoon attack but no records of a tank being killed in that area by the British, so the destruction of his tank will continue to be argued. |
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www.tiger-tank.com/.......
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Bad news: That 'wartime' panther is actually the Munster museum's repainted example. |
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You just don't have the decency or the sense to admit that you were wrong, do you? |
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"Ob's stuermt oder schneit,
Ob die Sonne uns lacht, Der Tag gluehend heiss, oder eiskalt die Nacht, Bestaubt sind die Gesichter, Doch froh is unser Sinn, ja Unser Sinn. Es braust unser Panzer Im Sturmwind dahin. I forgot the rest |
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I suppose the French have a celebration, surrendering to it every spring... |
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I believe that later evidence indicates that Wittman was killed by a rocket firing Typhoon fighter bomber. Not sure though. He was engaged by some Firefly Shermans with the 17lb high velocity gun...which was the ONLY allied gun in theater capable of penetrating the Tiger's armor from other than abouit ten meters! |
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The 76mm is actually under-rated. It could penetrate the Tiger's fronal armor from a decent distance, the two catches were (1) it wasn't very common, especially not in June 1944, and (2) was much less likely to penetrate a Panther, or worse King Tiger. NTM |
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The US was using 90mm tank guns on tank destroyers, and some "special" Shermans. They could punch some good holes with those. |
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Sweat thread!
So did Wittman have any Tiger 1's shot out from under him or did he ride through the war in the same buggy? |
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Did a little reading on the 17 pounder, it seems to have wicked penetration with its sabot ammo but that ammo was notoriously inaccurate and to compound it, it had a tendancy to richochet off the sloped German armor. Not good considering when one wants to kill the most lethal panzers before they bring the long 75 or the two devastating 88's (Tiger I and Tiger II) to bear as there wasn't much doubt they would slice through the allied tank like a hot knife through butter with the first shot. |
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He and his crew lost one that I know of at Villers-Bocage from a 6pder AT gun hit . |
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