Georgia man with GA ccw permit arrested in Ny with xd and curve

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Posted: 4/16/2017 8:52:27 AM EDT

http://www.syracuse.com/crime/index.ssf/2017/03/syracuse_traffic_stop_yields_2_handguns_five_people_charged.html#incart_most-commented_crime_article

Posted: 4/16/2017 8:54:12 AM EDT

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I feel safer already

Posted: 4/16/2017 8:55:35 AM EDT

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Reason # 1,399,123 to NEVER go to NY.

Posted: 4/16/2017 8:56:31 AM EDT

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2 guns, 5 people charged? How does that work?

Posted: 4/16/2017 8:57:05 AM EDT

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"The following were each charged with second-degree criminal possession of a weapon and criminal possession of a firearm"

What type of penalties are we talking about here?

Posted: 4/16/2017 8:58:03 AM EDT

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You can sometimes charge everyone in the car with possession

Posted: 4/16/2017 8:58:19 AM EDT

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National resiprocity is going to give Shcumer a coronary

It couldn't happen to a nicer guy

Posted: 4/16/2017 8:59:42 AM EDT

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That Curve is so hideous, it gets a 4:1 ratio for general principles.

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:00:00 AM EDT

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3.5-15 I think off the top
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Posted: 4/16/2017 9:00:28 AM EDT

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Fucking NY...why waste a perfectly good opportunity to arrest a bunch of people by only making the logical arrests?

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:01:54 AM EDT

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"The following were each charged with second-degree criminal possession of a weapon and criminal possession of a firearm"

What type of penalties are we talking about here?

3.5-15 I think off the top
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Years?

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:03:08 AM EDT

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GA is the state from which guns leave to vacation in NY

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:04:29 AM EDT

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Posted: 4/16/2017 9:05:20 AM EDT

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Yeah I think it's a c violent. I have to look at the chart half the time

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:06:49 AM EDT

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Yes

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:07:06 AM EDT

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Yes.

CPW 2d is classed as a violent class c-felony.

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:09:31 AM EDT

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#NYValues

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:14:17 AM EDT

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How and when are they able to charge everyone in the vehicle with possession? If someone in the vehicle was the actual owner of the firearms. Would they not be the one who is in actual possession of the firearms?

Of course we don't know the whole story and this is about New York.

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:17:13 AM EDT

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Well they were smoking the devil weed...
But that is probably just a ticket.

However, the guy had a legal permit so other than that he must not have had a record.

NY sucks.

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:17:42 AM EDT

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go to New York for a vacation and leave on probation!
fuck NYS.

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:18:25 AM EDT

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How and when are they able to charge everyone in the vehicle with possession? If someone in the vehicle was the actual owner of the firearms. Would they not be the one who is in actual possession of the firearms?

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There were 2 guns. XD and a Taurus curve.

Everyone was too embarrassed to claim the curve so everyone is guilty.

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:18:30 AM EDT

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Even if NR ever does somehow get passed, NY will still find a way to fuck over out of state gun owners. Take that to the bank.

Ditto Massachusetts.

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:19:32 AM EDT

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Posted: 4/16/2017 9:19:46 AM EDT

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You don't hear much about the Taurus Curve anymore; leave it to New York.

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:20:04 AM EDT

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I'm glad theses thing happen so the drug warriors here can see the fruits of their labor.

It's a legal fiction created out of the drug war. A way to charge anyone for an item by mere knowledge of it.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/constructive_possession

Stories such as these should tell you that cops in this country are NOT pro 2-A. They could easily not enforce these laws, as many cop apologists suggest they will do.

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:20:54 AM EDT

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I'm impressed that someone bought a Curve.

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:21:32 AM EDT

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I still don't get how anyone with an LTC (or from a CC state) could possibly go to (or through) NY without understanding WTF they are up against.

It boggles my mind whenever these stories come up.

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:23:37 AM EDT

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Even worse than the guns, they may have been smokin' the reefer (and/or littering).

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:23:40 AM EDT

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Don't worry, the cops will never enforce unconstitutional behavior.

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:25:47 AM EDT

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Isn't driving in NY (and other non-free states) with a tag from GA, FL, VA, WV, etc probable cause for a pretext stop to look for guns?

Kinda like driving an RV into Canada and admitting to Canadian authorities that you are active or retired LEO....your shit will be searched.

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:26:04 AM EDT

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I have rarely if ever heard anyone on this website suggest that cops would not enforce an unconstitutional gun ban.

To the contrary, anyone who expects cops NOT to obey orders and enforce whatever their political masters tell them to is a very naïve individual indeed.

Molon Dental Plan and all that.

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:26:50 AM EDT

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The real news here is that somebody bought a Curve.

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:27:10 AM EDT

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Isn't driving in NY (and other non-free states) with a tag from GA, FL, VA, WV, etc probable cause for a pretext stop to look for guns?

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Would not surprise me at all if that was "unwritten policy."

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:29:56 AM EDT

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I have rarely if ever heard anyone on this website suggest that cops would not enforce an unconstitutional gun ban.

To the contrary, anyone who expects cops NOT to obey orders and enforce whatever their political masters tell them to is a very naïve individual indeed.

Molon Dental Plan and all that.

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Were you here when the safe act was passed?

Muh sheriff says he won't enforce this bs, especially in the north part of the state.

One of the first arrests? In the north by a sheriff.

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:30:56 AM EDT

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I'm glad theses thing happen so the drug warriors here can see the fruits of their labor.

It's a legal fiction created out of the drug war. A way to charge anyone for an item by mere knowledge of it.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/constructive_possession

Stories such as these should tell you that cops in this country are NOT pro 2-A. They could easily not enforce these laws, as many cop apologists suggest they will do.

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New York actually has a specific statute (NYS PL 265.15(3)) that explicitly creates presumption of possession if a person and a specified weapon are both in a vehicle (other than a public transportation/ driver of a vehicle for hire) [there are a few other situational exemptions].

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:32:11 AM EDT

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Driving through NY is the only time I wear a seat belt, do the speed limit, make sure all my lights function properly, and I have put my front license plate on. No fucking way I want to get stopped there

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:32:56 AM EDT

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If I read the article correctly, the gun owner had a pistol under the seat and the 16-yr old passenger had some marijuana on him.

I get that gun laws in NY are very bad, but if the circumstances of the stop are true he would have had problems just about anywhere. Having a gun under the seat will get your ass in a legal sling - at least in SC where I'm from. Also, there was pot in the car. On both counts you're inviting The Man into your life.

A couple of takeaways:

1. Brush up on NY gun laws if going through the state with guns. The penalties for violations sound unduly harsh.

2. Never keep a gun under the seat.

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:34:37 AM EDT

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Were you here when the safe act was passed?

Muh sheriff says he won't enforce this bs, especially in the north part of the state.

One of the first arrests? In the north by a sheriff.

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I have rarely if ever heard anyone on this website suggest that cops would not enforce an unconstitutional gun ban.

To the contrary, anyone who expects cops NOT to obey orders and enforce whatever their political masters tell them to is a very naïve individual indeed.

Molon Dental Plan and all that.

Were you here when the safe act was passed?

Muh sheriff says he won't enforce this bs, especially in the north part of the state.

One of the first arrests? In the north by a sheriff.

Was not in NY, no. Did send money to the NYSR&P Association to help fight SAFE act though.

As far as that part in red - big surprise there, right?

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:34:56 AM EDT

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Yep. Never going to NY. Thanks for making that decision easier, NY cops.

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:35:09 AM EDT

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I read in one of your recent threads that many here believe that people employed to enforce the laws shouldn't ignore certain ones.

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:38:44 AM EDT

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If that deal happens in New York, but you post bail, and go to back to their free state, can that state with the victim and state under it's jurisdiction tell New York to go fuck itself?

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:40:02 AM EDT

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And just think, fellas, Hillary actually won the popular vote, and we came within a few inches of having NYS style gun control become the federal model, and a federal judiciary including SCOTUS to back it up for decades.

I don't even like to think about it too much.

Thank God we stopped it - for now.

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:40:32 AM EDT

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Well that's all sorts of jacked up.

"Hey let's come up with a law if you're *Insert ethnicity here* we can put you in prison!"

I want off this planet.

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:41:09 AM EDT

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No worries. Jeff Sessions will be on New York like white on rice for trying to enforce unconstitutional gun laws

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:42:57 AM EDT

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And just think, fellas, Hillary actually won the popular vote, and we came within a few inches of having NYS style gun control become the federal model, and a federal judiciary including SCOTUS to back it up for decades.

I don't even like to think about it too much.

Thank God we stopped it - for now.

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There are certain douche nozzles on this site that hate that Trump won. A few of them are in the Donald Trump wire tapping thread. I was shocked to see Cincinnatus who's an ardent hater of Trump back Trump up and say he sees no Russian colluding from Trump during the election cycle.

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:43:25 AM EDT

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From what Arfcom tells me he's too busy going after people who smoke weed, and use pot needles.

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:46:33 AM EDT

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Reason #87 why the "great state" of New York has seen it's last penny from my pockets.

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:48:41 AM EDT

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Yep.

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:48:52 AM EDT

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In fact, to keep beating a dead horse...

...as regards the whole subject of "cops not enforcing/turning a blind eye" to things like the SAFE act, I would not be surprised if the Marxist apparatchiks in NY, MA, and other freedom hating places started conducting internal sting operations (through IA or whatever), to set up cops to encounter "SAFE act violations" in the field, and "test" them to see if they will "do the right thing" or not. After all, they would only have to make an example out of one or two "blind eyed" cops, to put some chill in the water, and make sure the rest of the rank and file were being good anti-gun zealots.

Maybe I'm getting too Orwellian here, but NOTHING surprises me anymore.

"ATDP - Always Think Dental Plan."

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:52:01 AM EDT

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From what Arfcom tells me he's too busy going after people who smoke weed, and use pot needles.

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No worries. Jeff Sessions will be on New York like white on rice for trying to enforce unconstitutional gun laws

From what Arfcom tells me he's too busy going after people who smoke weed, and use pot needles.

"Sessions is employed to enforce the law. Ignoring it makes him no better than the activist judges so many here decry."

Posted: 4/16/2017 9:53:07 AM EDT

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...as regards the whole subject of "cops not enforcing/turning a blind eye" to things like the SAFE act, I would not be surprised if the Marxist apparatchiks in NY, MA, and other freedom hating places started conducting internal sting operations (through IA or whatever), to set up cops to encounter "SAFE act violations" in the field, and "test" them to see if they will "do the right thing" or not.

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I've never seen a sting like that but I've seen many others to test cops.

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