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Posted: 10/4/2005 9:14:46 PM EDT
The GOP faithful do not allow dissent or criticism of Pres. Bush (he's infallible, don't you know), so no doubt that George Will will be accused of being a "Bush basher" from now on!
www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/georgewill/2005/10/04/159414.html
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What's the matter.... we're already resigned to the inevibility of Miers' confirmation?
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Dont you know? You gotta change the party from within. |
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She is Borked before her hearing. Pro-life? Born-again Christian? Pistol owner? Not to mention she is an auslander. |
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After listening to Rush on FoxNews tonight I am convinced that the right-wing nuts want a complete and total show down with the Dems over a supreme court nomination. Anyone to the left of John Birch is unacceptable to them. They (Rush, Will, Buchanan, Coulter, et. al.) want to invoke the nuclear option to finally put the liberals away for good.
I have complete confidence in President Bush in nominating Miss Miers for the Supreme Court. He has known her for more than 10 years and he knows what her convictions are. Do you really think he would nominate someone that is not in line with his views? In my opinion, this is a stealth nomination that will take the libs by surprise. President Bush knows what is at stake with this nomination. From what I hear she is on our side when it comes to the 2nd Amendment. She is a member of a Dallas evangelical church and has participated in anti-abortion campaigns. She has no paper trail and will not telegraph what she truly believes. I know that all of this doesn’t mean anything right now but 10years down the line, y’all will see what I mean. For those who say she has no judicial experience, consider the former Chief Justice Rehnquist. He was never a judge before being nominated the SCOTUS and he did just fine. |
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Oh... so Rush, Will, Coulter, etc... are "right-wing nuts" now. How very interesting, because I have always viewed them as standard bearers for the Conservative movement. Like I said... the GWB true believers can not tolerate even a hint of criticism of their "perfect" president, even from well respected conservative thinkers & commentators. ... And who says that there are no Republican sheeple? |
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That's what scares me. Since he has become a lame duck, he has become more reckless and unpredictable. Many of his views no longer represent his base. |
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You mean like illegal immigration, social welfare spending, massive budget deficits, the War on Porn, or the ATF barrel ban? |
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personally i was hoping for Janice Rogers Brown, maybe she'll be #2 after miers gets borked.
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Hey FLGreg, I guess you had better add Michelle Malkin to your list of "right-wing nuts" who have committed the mortal sin of criticizing GWB.
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If you read Ann Coulter's OPEDs, she has been pretty critical of GWB.
news.yahoo.com/s/ucac/20050929/cm_ucac/bobshrumwithagoodcause Rush is also critical to a much lessor degree. |
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You mean that she favors lax borders, abridging freedom of speech, and unlimited government giveaways?
Just like David Souter and Anthony Kennedy did? |
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On this one, Will sounds like a liberal.
How many current SCOTUS judges met the standards he’s listed? And - far more importantly - do we really need some “great” constitutional mind on the bench who will find all sorts of new things in the constitution? I’d rather see some unpretentious individual who will simply interpret the constitution as intended by the founding fathers (Clarence Thomas comes to mind). The real “sheeple” in this instance just might be those who unquestioningly accept the opinions of traditionally conservative writers!! |
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No matter who GWB nominates, someone is going to BITCH, no matter what GWB does, someone is going to BITCH, no matter what I post, someone is going to BITCH, EVERYONE BITCHES
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Conservatives have been critical of Bush from the beginning because Bush is not a conservative. He seems to have Christian values, but has not governed according to conservative principles.
This is not entirely his fault, as he has faced more bitter and partisan opposition than any president in modern history. It does take some cooperation from the other side to govern, and he has received very little. The Democratic party has had absolutely no interest in working with him. In fact, they have spent 5 years on a constant crusade against him and everything he does. The pressure this creates cannot be ignored. Still, it doesn't seem that Bush is governed internally by conservative principles. Campaign Finance Reform, for instance, was a deal breaker for me. He signed into law without contest the SINGLE worst attack upon the first ammendment EVER. He made it illegal for me and a group of friends to pool our money and buy advertising time within 60 days of a federal election that criticizes a candidate for federal office. That is inexcusable. A conservative is not going to toss out Constitutional principle for some media induced fad. The action did not suprise me, however, as the entire nation seems to have gone insane, believing that the 1st ammendment was written to protect pornography and people like Howard Stern, while having nothing whatsoever to do with actual political speech by citizen groups. Yet another demonstration of how the left has been allowed to re-define the Constitution in their own image to cater to the most base and purile urges of men, and how that makes a REAL and TANGIBLE degredation of our freedom. The left redefines freedom as being lawless and amoral, and then sets about the dismantling of REAL freedom, which is what allows men to govern their lives and regulate government power. It was not written so that we could see boobies on TV, though the average person on the street will tell you such things are "freedom of expression" while turning their nose up at the idea that political speech is supposed to actually be free. He has not used the veto ONCE in his entire presidency. Now part of that can certainly be attributed to the fact that his party controls both houses of the legislature and would hand him favorable legislation. Still, there have been things tossed to his desk like CFR and the pork-laden highway bills that have been rubber stamped. The same goes for many bills that are more liberal than anything CLINTON would have proposed. Some said that this was part of a "strategy" to take Democrat complaints off the table. Conservatives were left wondering how in the world advancing the other sides causes and ideas HELPED to promote conservative principles and ideas. Many have tried valiantly through the years to define such moves as being good for us by constructing elaborate chains of logic and leaps of faith in the hopes of avoiding the simpler and more believable truth: George W. Bush is not a conservative and does not govern by conservative principles. I had my misgivings about Bush when the entire Bush for president campaign began. In the Virginia primary, I voted for Alan Keyes because I had no doubt Keyes would govern according to conservative principle. I knew it was a vote cast into oblivion because Keyes will never be elected to anything. Still, I hoped that the rest of the nation had better insight into Bush than I did when selecting him to be the nominee. I voted for Bush in 2000 because whatever his faults, he was a lot better than Gore. And he had campaigned as, or had been made by his campaign to APPEAR to be a Texas conservative. Indeed, his record as governor of Texas seemed to be very conservative. I voted for Bush in 2004 despite my disapproval of his first term. Bush has done some good things to fight terrorism, but things like the federalization of all TSA employees, the signing of CFR, the pre-emptive caves to the enviro-looney contingent and the like left me with no illusions about what I was doing. I was voting for Bush simply because John Kerry would have been a DISASTER for America that would have cost a terrible price in blood. Loosing in Iraq, which is what Kerry was determined to do, would certainly not improve our circumstances. Bush is a moral man, and I believe a good man, and he has done some good things as president. I cannot, however, say that I am satisfied with the results of his presidency. Yes the left is coming unglued, but they are a bunch of looneys anyway and that was bound to happen. The left began their descent into total insanity with Bork and picked up speed during the Clinton administration. They are facing massive internal problems. But the Republican party despite being in power in the Presidency AND both houses of congress for the first time since Lincoln, is in even worse shape. The Republican party talks a good game, but when they are given the license to govern they don't produce consistently conservative results. We must remember that the Dems had control of Congress for most of the 20th century, and that watershed change could not be expected overnight. But certainly by this point the CASE for such change at least should have been made clearly and forcefully, and yet it has not. The Republican party has been blighted with limp-wristed Republo-crats like Lincoln Chaffee and has spent all of its time trying to keep them placated and happy. The snag is that the Lincoln Chaffee lovers of the world are NOT the ones getting Republicans elected. It is the people who want the judiciary reigned in (which Congress has not done much to accomplish) that want tort reform, that want an end to abortion as birth control, that want an end to the government's campaign agains the 1st and 2nd ammendment, that want a reduction in the staggering tax rates that are consuming our wealth, that want government's greedy hand slapped and taken out of every aspect of our lives, who are giving Republicans office. So why does the party spend so much time trying to keep silly people like Chaffee from being uncomfortable? Let him leave. Republican control of the Senate is a nice thing to have, but not at the expense of the reason why 90% of the Republican senators are sent there in the first place. Let him bolt and vote for the other side. He does that anyway! Ditto with the White House supporting Specter for another term. That was a huge misstep by the White house, one we are paying for in the very area many people gave for supporting Bush in the first place: Judges. Bush has had to face some nasty challenges as President. Natural disasters like nothing in American history, terrorist attacks, and the challenges of the modern world and modern politics are things that would give the greatest of presidents a tough time. Still, Bush is not one of our greatest Presidents. His presidency has been far better for the nation than a Gore or Kerry presidency would have been, but it rather seems to be weakly slowing the tide rather than turning it and advancing. |
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George Will isn't the gun owners best friend. He has spoken out against the Second Amendmend and he has spoken in favor of it. Frankly, I don't know what he believes.
There's an awful lot of sturm and drang coming from the Right over the Miers nomination, but all I care about, really, is the Second. I'm not at all convinced that a well known "Beltway" Elite Conservative is necessarily the gun owners best friend. A lot of these elites on both the Right and the Left have little but contempt for gun owners. And this goes in spades when we start bringing up the subject of semiautomatic rifles. I'm not so sure that this "good ol' girl" from Texas isn't our best move. |
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Well said John_Wayne777!
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We're going to get it with meiers ... openly anti-abortion = dems will go into total meltdown to stop her. |
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I can't believe I'm reading that here. |
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I am not sure about the pick, but I am sure I am a little disgusted at some of the conservative elite I am hearing from. Yesterday, on Hannity's show I actually had to turn off Ann Coulter (I HAVE NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT DOING THAT!!!) because she said that Miers was the wrong pick...and that even if Miers ruled exactly as conservatives wanted every time it was still a bad pick. Why was it a bad pick? because she wasn't an Ivy League Law School Graduate (<--paraphrasing). That kind of crap is not helpful. |
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huh? i thought she was pro-abortion but anti-embryo testing??? she remains a dangerous enigma...suffice it to say, with bush stabbing us in the back we are just that >< much closer to civil war... |
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Some of the criticism against Miers is indeed uncalled for. I don't hold it against her that she is not one of the "leading legal minds", whatever that means. Ginsburg is one of the "leading legal minds" and she is a complete loon. What disturbs me about the pick is that it smells like a "please don't hit me" pick. I could be wrong in my assesment, but I doubt it. |
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Not just George Will. Ann Coulter's latest column, while not as articulate as Will's, also comes out against Ms. Miers. Laura Ingraham has also been pummeling the president on his nominee for the past two days.
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And this is bad because.....? My biggest gripe with this nomination isn't that she's not a judge, or that she has no paper trail, or any of that. I have some confidence that the President will pick wisely. What bothers me is that he COULD and SHOULD have picked a REAL, KNOWN Conservative (paper trail or not), and not left the question open. IIRC, both Anne Coulter and Laura Ingraham are lawyers. Had he picked either (despite that neither have served on the bench), I'd be dancing on the ceiling right now. This woman MAY be as right-wing as we all hope she is (people who turn from Dem to Republican are often the MOST conservative. Remember Reagan?) But why risk it, or make the base feel they got screwed? I just don't get it. Janice Rodgers Brown would have sent the base into the stratosphere, and the left into orbit around Jupiter. We could have put a stake in the heart of the DNC once and for all ("Oh, so you're attacking a black woman, now?"), and secured the court for years. Instead, we rolled the dice. Rush is right. It was a choice that reflects weakness. |
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Yup. |
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That's really funny, bubba. I was listening to the same program and I had exactly the same reaction as you; "click". I think part of it is just the pressure to produce ratings. Anger, strident opinion, these are the things that radio is made of these days. For me, it's a real turn off. I try to stick to the facts. I try to be open minded. If any of the conservative pundits would actually explain to me CALMLY why the alternative SCOTUS nominees of which they are so fond, would be better for me as a gun owner, I'm happy to listen. So far, I've listened to Bill Bennett, Sean Hannity, Michael Smerkonish (sp?), Michael Medvid, many others on cable TV and the radio, and their guests, and so far, I haven't heard anything concrete as to why I as a gun owner should be so upset about President Bush's nomination of Ms. Miers. But everybody wants to be the POTUS. The thing is, I never voted for any of the pundits. I voted for GW. |
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Going out on a limb here, could idea that the Malkins and Coulters are against Miers actually help her get nominated?
I'm sure there are liberals out there that say "If Ann Coulter hates this person, I automatically love her..." Just a thought. |
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It's surprising how many Bush sycophants we have here. I voted for the guy too, but he has given a big old "fuck you" to his base.
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George Will is right. President Bush severely dropped the ball on this one. We needed a brilliant, conservative legal mind with a proven track record, and he nominated a stealth candidate who happenned to be a friend of his. She may be a nice lady, she may be a a good lawyer, shit, she may even be conservative, but we needed a mental heavyweight who is a strict constructionist. Friggen disheartening as heck.
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You're just plain evil.... not only that but Harry Reid is on record as approving her. I saw the quote today and it was from a statement less than a month ago. |
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And how the fuck do you know she is NOT? The fact is you are all just speculating. You are being pablum fed by intellectual elites and you are going back for seconds. The people who know her, have worked with her and know her legal mind and moral compas support her. The people who are bashing her wouldn't know her if they fell on top of her... yet you gladly eat their opinion up. Fucking pathetic. |
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You need to chill. She supported gay rights, when asked by people seeking to find out her views. Please show me in the Constitution where it mentions that. You may be more pathetic than I am, because I have read about her and her views myself, have you? |
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I am extremely uncomfortable with all this "mental heavyweight" type talk. Realize, folks, that the "elite" products of academia are largely responsible for turning the judiciary into a left-wing ram-rod. When you get into academia you find that there are some wonderful people doing wonderful work, but in the humanities you also find the intellectual equivalent of pop stars... Ms. Mier's academic past does not bother me. The fact that the President knows her well does not bother me. What truly bothers me in all of this is that we don't seem to have the stomach to try and advance conservative ideas. Ms. Miers may well be one of the best jurists to ever sit on the bench, but we are trying to slide her into place without much of a fight. I certainly don't like a nasty fight for the sake of fighting, but one of the problems with the judiciary is the stranglehold the left has on who gets nominated. I want to see the day when a President can appoint someone with years of experience and a proven track record that sticks to what the Founders said and intended, and to have that person sail through with a solid majority. It seems to me that because we are not engaging the fight right now, when we have a Republican President and a Republican majority in the legislature, that we will be doomed to find stealth candidates from now on. Liberals are the ones who use slight of hand and rhetorical trickery to get their way. We ought to be better than that. Clarence Thomas, when asked about judicial philosophy, said that he always tells people that they have 2 choices: He can study the writings of the founders and their commentary on the magnificent system God gifted them to create, seeking to understand every nuance and to rule according to what they had in mind when they created the best governmental system in the known world, or he could just make stuff up according to what he wanted to do. He related that even those most stridently opposed to his personal philosophies had to admit that there was wisdom in doing things the founder's way. THAT is what nominees should say. That is what we should be seeking. What I find disturbing in all of this is we are allowing the perpetuation of a system in Congress where someone who had made such strong statements and who has a consistent record of using that principle to rule on matters of national destiny is immediately tossed out on their ear. Many people need to stop watching so much "news". I use quotes around the word "news" because the tripe served up on TV and talk radio is a few facts engulfed in a massive ammount of "analysis" (remember that you can't spell "analysis" without ANAL, which is where most of the pundits pull their ideas from...) These pundits live the beltway life, and that makes them almost instantly looney. Conservative OR liberal, if one becomes to absorbed in the Beltway game, they loose all perspective and begin to spiral into the rediculous. The personal attacks leveled against Ms. Miers BY SO CALLED CONSERVATIVES are a perfect example of this, and demonstrate that the left does not have a patent on being idiotic. The objection here is not Ms. Miers herself. The objection is that we have spent years trying to get a Republican majority and President specifically to wrest control of the third branch of government from the hands of those who would be our masters, and we have a democratic party who is so thoroughly irrelevant that in the last election their SENATE LEADER was removed because he was an embarassment to his state. In the name of all that is holy, that lunatic Howard Dean is the DNC CHAIRMAN. They are positively OUT OF THEIR MINDS. If there is a better opportunity to contrast the proper philosophy of government against the loony-ness of the left, I would be hard pressed to identify it. The objection is that we have a moment in history that is not likely to come again, a moment where we CAN make the arguement and CAN appoint whomever we see fit (because we CAN remove the filibuster from their arsenal) and yet we seem unable or unwilling to sieze the day. Conservative principles have NOT been upheld or advanced very much by the Republican party. It seems to be busy trying to out left the left in an effort to deflect criticism from them, which has not worked. Instead of making the arguement and advancing the ideas that conservatives believe, the Republican party seems to be so busy trying to win the next skirmish that they are missing the opportunity to win the war. |
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Give me the DATE when she offered an opinion in support of gay rights... and you better be careful of the wording because a lot of "gay rights" legislation is simply a clarification that existing non descrimination law applies. Do I agree with seperate and special treatment? No. Do I believe that the law sometimes needs to be clarified so as it is understood to apply to all equally? Yes. |
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Ann Coulter is ragging on Miers' nomination because Miers went to law school at SMU. According to Coulter, SMU Law isn't on the radar of top rated schools. Nevertheless, if Miers is a legal lightweight I'm okay with her as long as she looks over at Scalia and Thomas and asks, "How are you boys going to vote on this one?" and then follows along.
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I saw that too, and I think Ann misrepresented herself, as the nominees she prefers did not go to Ivy League schools either (I.E. J.R. Brown went to UCLA). In fact, all the best that he could have picked didn't go to Ivy League schools. |
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I LOVE it that criticising a republican means you are a liberal.
Bush is no conservative or patriot. He's a middle of the road lefty dedicated to big money, big power, and the "global economy." He won't close the borders. He don't insist on English only. He wants immunity for illegals. He backs weak nominees based on HIS personal relationship with them rather than qualifications. (and see also Gonzales and the 2nd Amendment). He has badly mishandled the war (i.e. not tough enough--and now even the pentagon is opposing him on issues like treatment of prisoners, and troop strength). His spending is out of control. He's a disaster for all conservative patriots who expected a hard right turn after the election, and got Bill Clinton-light. |
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Are these the same right wing nuts that are involved in the vast right wing conspiracy that Hitlery Klinton speaks of? |
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I would like to take this opportunity to suggest that NYPatriot be burned at the stake.
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That about covers it. Other than the dumb ass "No Child Left Behind." BS |
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No. SCOTUS is too important. Each must rule properly with the education and capability to distill what the truth is behind each case. Not, "hey, how is so and so going to vote." That is how the liberal block thinks. I am a bit of an academic snob. Nothing in Miers' background indicates she will be a benefit to the court and will add a brilliant mind. Instead it's, "she'll vote the way we want." Thats a diservice to the Constitution. |
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