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Posted: 12/17/2016 9:42:59 AM EST
Scales. The M4 must go.

Those of us who have spent our lives leading soldiers and Marines in combat agree with President-elect Donald Trump on one major campaign issue: We are fed-up with the defense establishment paying for high-tech fighter-jet programs such as the F-35 that cost more than a trillion dollars when, after 15 years of ground warfare and thousands of dead soldiers and Marines, we still send these “intimate killers” into combat with inferior gear.

Let’s start with the soldier’s best friend, his weapon: U.S. troops use the same lousy rifle I carried in Vietnam 50 years ago. It was crap then. It still is today. Russia’s newest rifle outranges ours by 40 percent, and the Russian operating system is far more reliable than ours. We could equip every close-combat soldier, Marine, and special operator in our military for the cost of a single F-35 fighter jet.

Digital precision: The Taliban fire at our men from ranges beyond the reach of our soldiers’ M-4 rifle. Wouldn’t it be great if we could return that fire with greater precision? For about $500, today’s hunter can buy a digital rifle sight that allows an untrained marksmen to hit small targets out to a thousand meters or more with more than 90 percent probability of a hit.

A new bullet: The standard military round was designed to kill varmints, not people. A new, heavier, more powerful, longer-ranging bullet is available at Bass Pro Shop. For a few dollars more, we could make the bullet cartridge out of plastic and lighten our soldiers’ ammunition load by 40 percent.

Link Posted: 12/17/2016 9:54:30 AM EST
Or the money could be spent on Training.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 9:56:42 AM EST
Sounds like they need an 17 inch 6.5
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 9:57:36 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/17/2016 10:01:00 AM EST by marko16]
I have nothing but bad to say about my m16s.  Jam clean Jam clean Jam clean etc.  I worked in the arms room both active duty and nation Guard.  Hear more often than not.  Jam Clean Jam clean Jam clean, damb this rifle sucks.  Big difference between walking on the grass to  a range brass to laying in sandy conditions.  Most here will never have a sand malfunction.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 9:57:47 AM EST
Is he still beating this horse?
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 9:59:09 AM EST
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Originally Posted By marko16:
I have nothing but bad to say about my m16s.  Jam clean Jam clean Jam clean etc.  I worked in the arms room both active duty and nation Guard.  Hear more often than not.  Jam Clean Jam clean Jam clean, damb this rifle sucks.
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Really?
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:00:04 AM EST
After Trumps repeals the NFA, the CMP can sell all those M-4s surplus.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:02:31 AM EST
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Originally Posted By marko16:
I have nothing but bad to say about my m16s.  Jam clean Jam clean Jam clean etc.  I worked in the arms room both active duty and nation Guard.  Hear more often than not.  Jam Clean Jam clean Jam clean, damb this rifle sucks.
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Maybe the M16 differs from the modern day AR-15 or M4.

I have ARs that I purposely don't clean and they work fine even with a suppressor.

Somehow I think everyone already knows this and just cling to the past.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:02:35 AM EST
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Originally Posted By marko16:
I have nothing but bad to say about my m16s.  Jam clean Jam clean Jam clean etc.  I worked in the arms room both active duty and nation Guard.  Hear more often than not.  Jam Clean Jam clean Jam clean, damb this rifle sucks.  Big difference between walking on the grass to  a range brass to laying in sandy conditions.  Most here will never have a sand malfunction.
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Was weapon lubrication involved at any point in this scenario?

Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:05:10 AM EST
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Originally Posted By marko16:
I have nothing but bad to say about my m16s.  Jam clean Jam clean Jam clean etc.  I worked in the arms room both active duty and nation Guard.  Hear more often than not.  Jam Clean Jam clean Jam clean, damb this rifle sucks.  Big difference between walking on the grass to  a range brass to laying in sandy conditions.  Most here will never have a sand malfunction.
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Originally Posted By marko16:
I have nothing but bad to say about my m16s.  Jam clean Jam clean Jam clean etc.  I worked in the arms room both active duty and nation Guard.  Hear more often than not.  Jam Clean Jam clean Jam clean, damb this rifle sucks.  Big difference between walking on the grass to  a range brass to laying in sandy conditions.  Most here will never have a sand malfunction.


Let me guess, lube is for Neewbs, right?

Originally Posted By ODA_564:
Is he still beating this horse?


Apparently.

I assumed it was the years old OP ED but this is a minty fresh rehash of his old derp.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:06:11 AM EST
What Russian rifle and round combo out distances 556 by 40%?  Or is he talking out his ass?
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:06:24 AM EST
The average joe schmo in the Army has a hard time engaging a pop up target beyond 200 meters. Only time my M4 failed over seas was a quadruple feed that jammed a couple of rounds above the bolt and gas tube in the upper receiver. Swapped out the shitty lowest bidder 20y/o beat to shit aluminum mags to the Magpul Gen 2s I had brought with me, the rifle ran and ran without issues the entire remainder of my deployment. How about we use some money to properly train troops to run that rifle and give them more trigger time, along with some better mags.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:07:39 AM EST
I will take a crate of m4s please.

For display purposes of course. Antiques should be displayed in cases.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:09:52 AM EST
I don't think I've ever been "reverse Duffleblog" fooled before....



Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:10:21 AM EST
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Originally Posted By JohnBurns:


Let me guess, lube is for Neewbs, right?<img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_freak.gif border=0 align=middle>



Apparently.

I assumed it was the years old OP ED but this is a minty fresh rehash of his old derp.
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Yep this is hot off the presses Scales Op Ed.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:10:27 AM EST
Fucking Scales again.

*sigh*
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:11:33 AM EST
Excuse me general sir but I carried the M-16 rifle in Vietnam and own several modern enhanced versions.
It was not crap then neither is it crap now..
If you aren't gonna end affirmative action and the dilution of standards to meet an insane socialist agenda inside the military won't matter what personal weapons they carry.
-imo
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:11:53 AM EST
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Originally Posted By joglee:


Really?
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Originally Posted By joglee:
Originally Posted By marko16:
I have nothing but bad to say about my m16s.  Jam clean Jam clean Jam clean etc.  I worked in the arms room both active duty and nation Guard.  Hear more often than not.  Jam Clean Jam clean Jam clean, damb this rifle sucks.


Really?


Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:12:24 AM EST
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Originally Posted By FLchuck8:
What Russian rifle and round combo out distances 556 by 40%?  Or is he talking out his ass?
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Maybe the x54r ?

Do what Serbia did, adopt the 6.5 Grendel


Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:13:23 AM EST
Soldier cell phones?

FFS. That's some of the stupidest shit I've heard. And I was in the AF.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:14:52 AM EST
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Originally Posted By marko16:
I have nothing but bad to say about my m16s.  Jam clean Jam clean Jam clean etc.  I worked in the arms room both active duty and nation Guard.  Hear more often than not.  Jam Clean Jam clean Jam clean, damb this rifle sucks.  Big difference between walking on the grass to  a range brass to laying in sandy conditions.  Most here will never have a sand malfunction.
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There's your main problem
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:15:05 AM EST
So what is Scales suggesting we replace it with? Just curios.

Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:15:51 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Et2ss:
Maybe the x54r ?

Do what Serbia did, adopt the 6.5 Grendel
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But why adopt a new general issue rifle based off your enemies DMR.

Don't we have weapons to combat sniper rifles?
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:16:29 AM EST
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Originally Posted By IceStationZebra:
So what is Scales suggesting we replace it with? Just curios.
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Going by prior op eds from him the HK416.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:16:58 AM EST
Originally Posted By joglee:
Scales. The M4 must go.

Those of us who have spent our lives leading soldiers and Marines in combat agree with President-elect Donald Trump on one major campaign issue: We are fed-up with the defense establishment paying for high-tech fighter-jet programs such as the F-35 that cost more than a trillion dollars when, after 15 years of ground warfare and thousands of dead soldiers and Marines, we still send these “intimate killers” into combat with inferior gear.

Let’s start with the soldier’s best friend, his weapon: U.S. troops use the same lousy rifle I carried in Vietnam 50 years ago. It was crap then. It still is today. Russia’s newest rifle outranges ours by 40 percent, and the Russian operating system is far more reliable than ours. We could equip every close-combat soldier, Marine, and special operator in our military for the cost of a single F-35 fighter jet.

Digital precision: The Taliban fire at our men from ranges beyond the reach of our soldiers’ M-4 rifle. Wouldn’t it be great if we could return that fire with greater precision? For about $500, today’s hunter can buy a digital rifle sight that allows an untrained marksmen to hit small targets out to a thousand meters or more with more than 90 percent probability of a hit.

A new bullet: The standard military round was designed to kill varmints, not people. A new, heavier, more powerful, longer-ranging bullet is available at Bass Pro Shop. For a few dollars more, we could make the bullet cartridge out of plastic and lighten our soldiers’ ammunition load by 40 percent.
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So much what the fuck in that article that I have to take a shit now. No to all.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:20:09 AM EST



Who is that in your avatar?

Is that Clint Eastwood with David Bowie hair? Inquiring minds want to know.




Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:21:10 AM EST
Maybe they should move to an SR-25 chambered in 6.5CM?
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:22:16 AM EST
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Originally Posted By marko16:
I have nothing but bad to say about my m16s.  Jam clean Jam clean Jam clean etc.  I worked in the arms room both active duty and nation Guard.  Hear more often than not.  Jam Clean Jam clean Jam clean, damb this rifle sucks.  Big difference between walking on the grass to  a range brass to laying in sandy conditions.  Most here will never have a sand malfunction.
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That's nice sweetie...
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:23:12 AM EST
My favorite AR is in 7.62x39.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:24:32 AM EST
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Originally Posted By joglee:


Going by prior op eds from him the HK416.
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Originally Posted By joglee:
Originally Posted By IceStationZebra:
So what is Scales suggesting we replace it with? Just curios.


Going by prior op eds from him the HK416.


Of course.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:26:14 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Sgtmack122:
Soldier cell phones?

FFS. That's some of the stupidest shit I've heard. And I was in the AF.
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I literally L'ed OL at that shit.

Pvt. Snuffy: Hmmm... I think I saw some movement in that building over there, I should probably say som... OH FUCK!!! Leeroy, that better not really be your dick in that picture!

Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:28:01 AM EST
Also aren't the thousands of dead soldiers mostly from IEDs in Afghanistan?
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:28:02 AM EST
How much is HK or FN paying him?
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:28:03 AM EST
Originally Posted By joglee:
Scales. The M4 must go.

Those of us who have spent our lives leading soldiers and Marines in combat agree with President-elect Donald Trump on one major campaign issue: We are fed-up with the defense establishment paying for high-tech fighter-jet programs such as the F-35 that cost more than a trillion dollars when, after 15 years of ground warfare and thousands of dead soldiers and Marines, we still send these “intimate killers” into combat with inferior gear.

Let’s start with the soldier’s best friend, his weapon: U.S. troops use the same lousy rifle I carried in Vietnam 50 years ago. It was crap then. It still is today. Russia’s newest rifle outranges ours by 40 percent, and the Russian operating system is far more reliable than ours. We could equip every close-combat soldier, Marine, and special operator in our military for the cost of a single F-35 fighter jet.

Digital precision: The Taliban fire at our men from ranges beyond the reach of our soldiers’ M-4 rifle. Wouldn’t it be great if we could return that fire with greater precision? For about $500, today’s hunter can buy a digital rifle sight that allows an untrained marksmen to hit small targets out to a thousand meters or more with more than 90 percent probability of a hit.

A new bullet: The standard military round was designed to kill varmints, not people. A new, heavier, more powerful, longer-ranging bullet is available at Bass Pro Shop. For a few dollars more, we could make the bullet cartridge out of plastic and lighten our soldiers’ ammunition load by 40 percent.
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DENIED!

No supporting documentation is included.

Re submit after 90 days but no later than 110 days with supporting documentation or your request will be denied again.

Send by certified mail only and in triplicate.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:28:06 AM EST
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"The M16A2 rifle, now being fielded, has been the subject of a number of interesting ideas as to its effects on the rifle marksmanship programs, largely because of its increased accuracy at the longer ranges. We have studied the issues of firing at targets beyond 300 Meters and have conducted such firing tests with basic infantry trainees. From these tests it has become quite clear to us that to train all of our soldiers to shoot at the longer ranges -- say out to 800 Meters -- would require a significant increase in training resources, the most important of which would be time. Our review of past conflicts has also shown that the great majority of engagements have occurred within 200 Meters. Thus, using precious resources to train our soldiers to shoot beyond 300 Meters simply would not be cost effective."

Major General Edwin Burba, Chief of Infantry, Infantry magazine, March-April 1987
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:28:14 AM EST
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Originally Posted By cms81586:
So much what the fuck in that article that I have to take a shit now. No to all.
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Me too. Downloading all the contents of that article into the toilet in 3...2...1...

ETA - Oh god its terrible. My eyes are burning

S/F
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:29:45 AM EST
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Originally Posted By IceStationZebra:
So what is Scales suggesting we replace it with? Just curios.
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Depends, has he accepted a retirement job from a specific arms manufacturer?
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:30:40 AM EST
But can you butt stroke someone with it?
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:32:42 AM EST
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Originally Posted By marko16:
I have nothing but bad to say about my m16s.  Jam clean Jam clean Jam clean etc.  I worked in the arms room both active duty and nation Guard.  Hear more often than not.  Jam Clean Jam clean Jam clean, damb this rifle sucks.  Big difference between walking on the grass to  a range brass to laying in sandy conditions.  Most here will never have a sand malfunction.
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You should have tried replacing the springs and magazines then lube it properly rather than the way the Army taught you (and me).

Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:34:00 AM EST
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Originally Posted By CarbineDad:
After Trumps repeals the NFA, the CMP can sell all those M-4s surplus. <img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>
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We'd still bitch about it...
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:36:29 AM EST
Did I miss something? What digital rifle sight is he talking about here:

"Digital precision: The Taliban fire at our men from ranges beyond the reach of our soldiers’ M-4 rifle. Wouldn’t it be great if we could return that fire with greater precision? For about $500, today’s hunter can buy a digital rifle sight that allows an untrained marksmen to hit small targets out to a thousand meters or more with more than 90 percent probability of a hit."
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:41:02 AM EST
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Originally Posted By smarcus:
Did I miss something? What digital rifle sight is he talking about here:

"Digital precision: The Taliban fire at our men from ranges beyond the reach of our soldiers’ M-4 rifle. Wouldn’t it be great if we could return that fire with greater precision? For about $500, today’s hunter can buy a digital rifle sight that allows an untrained marksmen to hit small targets out to a thousand meters or more with more than 90 percent probability of a hit."
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It's the make believe sight that comes from the same make believe place that the make believe rifle and make believe ammunition he is talking about come from.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:44:53 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Seydou:



It's the make believe sight that comes from the same make believe place that the make believe rifle and make believe ammunition he is talking about come from.
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Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:50:02 AM EST
End the Social Services Job Corps Program that is our Armed Forces. Go back to a true reason for having an armed force, the wreck other people's shit and kill them. Spend money on actual training instead of safety belt anti sexism men are bad power points. Do that.... and we can conquer the world is Handgonnes and Short Swords. 
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:54:57 AM EST
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Originally Posted By smarcus:
Did I miss something? What digital rifle sight is he talking about here:

"Digital precision: The Taliban fire at our men from ranges beyond the reach of our soldiers’ M-4 rifle. Wouldn’t it be great if we could return that fire with greater precision? For about $500, today’s hunter can buy a digital rifle sight that allows an untrained marksmen to hit small targets out to a thousand meters or more with more than 90 percent probability of a hit."
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Tracking point system. Heads will explode, at very long range apparently ??

Fighter-Jet In A Gun
At $5995 the M300-FE (For Everyone) obsoletes legacy 5.56 semi-auto rifle/scope combinations. The M300-FE is based on the same Precision-Guided Firearm (PGF) technology found in TrackingPoint’s Military Grade PGFs. The M300-FE includes all advanced fighter-jet-like capabilities including RapidLokTM target acquisition and fire control, stabilized off-hand target engagements, and zero-signature lethality.

Utilizing TrackingPoint’s new high-velocity UltraFlatTM ammunition the M300-FE shoots point-blank range out to 300 yards so there is no need for an internal laser range finder.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:59:18 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DVCER:


Tracking point system. Heads will explode, at very long range apparently ??

Fighter-Jet In A Gun
At $5995 the M300-FE (For Everyone) obsoletes legacy 5.56 semi-auto rifle/scope combinations. The M300-FE is based on the same Precision-Guided Firearm (PGF) technology found in TrackingPoint’s Military Grade PGFs. The M300-FE includes all advanced fighter-jet-like capabilities including RapidLokTM target acquisition and fire control, stabilized off-hand target engagements, and zero-signature lethality.

Utilizing TrackingPoint’s new high-velocity UltraFlatTM ammunition the M300-FE shoots point-blank range out to 300 yards so there is no need for an internal laser range finder.
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But scales says the Russian AK-74 outranges our M4 by 40%

That means the AK-74 is a 800M gun and that sight is only good to 300M.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:59:28 AM EST
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Originally Posted By smash05:
How much is HK or FN paying him?
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This right here. Homeboy is in someone's pocket.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 11:04:22 AM EST
......I carried an M16 and you, you carry that.. that.. that guitar!
Who are you?
Where do you come from?
Are you listening to me?
What do you wanna do with your life?
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 11:06:24 AM EST
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Originally Posted By M1dW99Z:
<Snip> Only time my M4 failed over seas was a quadruple feed that jammed a couple of rounds above the bolt and gas tube in the upper receiver. Swapped out the shitty lowest bidder 20y/o beat to shit aluminum mags  <snip>
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A large percentage of the malfunctions I saw working at the range were from bad magazines. Our armories never got the memo that magazines were disposable and would keep issuing out the same wore out junk. We started marking bad magazines and told the shooter to turn them for replacement. Often the same bad magazines would show back up the next qual cycle. When we found a marked magazine we'd take a hammer to it to make sure it got replaced.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 11:08:42 AM EST
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Originally Posted By marko16:
I have nothing but bad to say about my m16s.  Jam clean Jam clean Jam clean etc.  I worked in the arms room both active duty and nation Guard.  Hear more often than not.  Jam Clean Jam clean Jam clean, damb this rifle sucks.  Big difference between walking on the grass to  a range brass to laying in sandy conditions.  Most here will never have a sand malfunction.
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lol almost had my full daily dosage of retard and it ain't even noon yet.


Also, where can I get this optic?

For about $500, today’s hunter can buy a digital rifle sight that allows an untrained marksmen to hit small targets out to a thousand meters or more with more than 90 percent probability of a hit.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 11:09:00 AM EST
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Originally Posted By marko16:
I have nothing but bad to say about my m16s.  Jam clean Jam clean Jam clean etc.  I worked in the arms room both active duty and nation Guard.  Hear more often than not.  Jam Clean Jam clean Jam clean, damb this rifle sucks.  Big difference between walking on the grass to  a range brass to laying in sandy conditions.  Most here will never have a sand malfunction.
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Lol

2111 here with time in AFG and let me tell you and that 99% of issues with M16A4s and M4s is caused by a lack of user level maintenance.

In the armory I worked in we had guys from every type of unit the Marine Corps has to offer with deployments of every kind for the last ten years and each and evey one of a those guys will tell you the same.

Lack of user level maintenance and most likely in the form of lubrication.
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