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Posted: 9/6/2005 7:28:21 PM EDT
In California. All Arnold has to do is sign it.

Not trolling, just telling.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 7:35:40 PM EDT
What will he do?
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 7:39:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By lippo:
In California. All Arnold has to do is sign it.



Congratulations, I guess. Who are you marrying?
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 7:40:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By lippo:
In California. All Arnold has to do is sign it.



Congratulations, I guess. Who are you marrying?




I thought it was yooooou!
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 7:41:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2005 7:42:32 PM EDT by Mauser101]

Originally Posted By SoCalJBT:
What will he do?



Doubtful he'll sign. He'll just let the legilative session expire so he doesn't have to be a bad guy to the libs.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 7:45:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2005 7:46:41 PM EDT by DLoken]
Good, about time we started treating people equally regardless of sexual preference.

It's a shame you fundies can't let people live their lives without trying to enforce your (backwards) morals upon them. If you people put all the energy you use for keeping "fags" down or keeping braindead people alive into supporting our firearms rights we'd make a lot more progress.

Now for perspective I am a straight, agnostic left leaning libertarian. Hell you can even call me a liberal and it won't offend me.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 7:48:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DLoken:
Good, about time we started treating people equally regardless of sexual preference.

It's a shame you fundies can't let people live their lives without trying to enforce your (backwards) morals upon them. If you people put all the energy you use for keeping "fags" down or keeping braindead people alive into supporting our firearms rights we'd make a lot more progress.

Now for perspective I am a straight, agnostic left leaning libertarian. Hell you can even call me a liberal and it won't offend me.



Marriage is by definition between a man and a woman so there can be no gay marriage.

"Hell you can even call me a liberal and it won't offend me."

How about pansy ass sodomite?
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 7:52:41 PM EDT
latimes.com

Vote makes the state Legislature the first in the nation to approve gay marriage. The measure now goes to Gov. Schwarzenegger, who has hinted that he will veto it.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-gaymarriage7sep07,0,3784014.story?coll=la-home-headlines
Assembly Passes Gay Marriage Bill
By a Times Staff Writer

7:46 PM PDT, September 6, 2005

SACRAMENTO — By the slimmest of margins, the California Legislature on Tuesday became the first in the nation to approve gay marriage. Lawmakers will now send the measure legalizing same-sex unions to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, who has hinted that he will veto it. The bill passed 41-35, with the minimum number of votes required.

In June, the measure failed to pass the Assembly, three votes short of the necessary 41. But it was brought back to life in the Senate through a parliamentary maneuver that involved inserting its contents into a bill about marine research. That bill, AB 849, cleared the Senate on Thursday after 90 minutes of heartfelt, often personal debate about the meaning of marriage.

The measure, by Assemblymember Mark Leno (D-San Francisco) would change California law defining marriage from "a civil contract between a man and a woman" to a "civil contract between two persons." Leno characterized gay marriage as the most important civil rights issue of the 21st century, and enlisted Dolores Huerta, co-founder of the United Farm Workers of America,and Alice Huffman, California president of the National Assn. for the Advancement of Colored People, to help him lobby undecided lawmakers.

Opponents of same-sex marriage call Leno's bill unconstitutional, saying that it overturns what voters put into law five years ago when they passed Proposition 22 That initiative stated that only marriage between a man and a woman is valid and recognized in California.

Before the Assembly vote, Leno reminded lawmakers that since June, Spain and Canada have legalized gay marriage and the Los Angeles City Council and the United Church of Christ have endorsed it.

Copyright 2005 Los Angeles Times

partners: KTLA Hoy
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 7:53:29 PM EDT
My Premier said he woudl use the Notwhistandign clause ot veto gay marriage in my province, then he wussed out, I want him gone now and I want them to sue that damn clause to rid us of the evil disservice they are doing to the term marriage, add to that the talk of forcing churches to marry fags (talk of removing tax status to make them comply)


I cannot stand how Gays shove their lifestyles in our faces all the time, Gay pride week, Gay Pride parade (no hetero versions of either) the overly obnoxious and statistically incorrect amounts shown on television and radio (far far more people portrayed as homos in the media than actually are in society)


Arny always did strike me as a puffer...... always wondered why he would marry a libtard
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 7:53:57 PM EDT
Eh, let them pick who to marry. None of my business either way.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 7:53:59 PM EDT
this is why I've always said that "marriage" should be limited to religious institutions and make everyone have a civil union under the law. Make the "marriage" just a religious ceremony that one has the option of having, but just rename the "marriage licence" to a "civil union licence" and now everyone is treated equal under the law. If they gays are part of a church that's willing to let them have a marriage ceremony, by all means that church can do whatever they want.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 7:54:15 PM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 7:58:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Enigma102083:
this is why I've always said that "marriage" should be limited to religious institutions and make everyone have a civil union under the law. Make the "marriage" just a religious ceremony that one has the option of having, but just rename the "marriage licence" to a "civil union licence" and now everyone is treated equal under the law. If they gays are part of a church that's willing to let them have a marriage ceremony, by all means that church can do whatever they want.



That's how the PRK law will work...doesn't matter Arnie won't sign it anyway.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:01:36 PM EDT
Well, i feel the only thing people are fighting is the name of the union.

Ummm... ok? It's funny, most of us straight guys are fighting tooth and nail to put off marriage, and gays are fighting tool and nail to dive into it.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:03:11 PM EDT
gays should be able to join as we do. do i want a penis in my butt? no! if arbitrary citizen X wants a penis in his butt, and its consensual, do i care? no! stop making stuff illegal cause its a shame. That’s a bad reason. The only reason something should be illegal is cause it infringes upon my rights. If they get married does it cost me? Harm me? Affect me in any way? No, no, and no. I agree with a couple above posts. Govt should make civil unions between any two people, and your preacher can tell you, depending on which church you are in, what degree of sinful your actions are.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:04:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Enigma102083:
this is why I've always said that "marriage" should be limited to religious institutions and make everyone have a civil union under the law. Make the "marriage" just a religious ceremony that one has the option of having, but just rename the "marriage licence" to a "civil union licence" and now everyone is treated equal under the law. If they gays are part of a church that's willing to let them have a marriage ceremony, by all means that church can do whatever they want.



+1,000,000
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:09:13 PM EDT
I have changed my mind on the Gay Marriage issue. I was against it, but now I no longer care. Have at it if you want, but don't say you weren't warned that Gay Divorce is going to also exist.

The reason for the change? Aren't only liberals supposed to guide social policy through legislation. Refusing to change a prior law is the same as supporting similar law now if it were on the ballot. The next time y'all accuse liberals of social tampering, think about your own ideology, and how you would be willing to use the power of legislation to reinforce it.

Of course, religious people have different issues, so I'm only speaking about it from a secular point of view.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:11:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2005 8:11:35 PM EDT by nationwide]

Originally Posted By DLoken:

It's a shame you fundies can't let people live their lives without trying to enforce your (backwards) morals upon them.



If our morals are so backwards, why do gays want to be "married"... I mean... it's so backwards
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:15:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2005 8:16:35 PM EDT by red65]

Originally Posted By DLoken:
Good, about time we started treating people equally regardless of sexual preference.

It's a shame you fundies can't let people live their lives without trying to enforce your (backwards) morals upon them. If you people put all the energy you use for keeping "fags" down or keeping braindead people alive into supporting our firearms rights we'd make a lot more progress.

Now for perspective I am a straight, agnostic left leaning libertarian. Hell you can even call me a liberal and it won't offend me.



I say piss on them. (But they'd probably just enjoy it.)

Who keeps fags down? The liberal scumbags practically own our country. They do whatever they like.

THE LIBERALS WON ALREADY. It's just a mopping up operation at this point. (No pun intended)
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:17:53 PM EDT
whats wrong with gay people getting married?
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:21:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BigB1129:
whats wrong with gay people getting married?



Marriage is for men and women.

Various legal arrangments are available for those who choose to live a lifestly other than traditional.

If you don't want a "traditional" life, why the heck would you want to be stigmatized with something as traditional as a "marriage".

Truth is, it's another attempt to end the American way of life. It's a culture war. And we shall NOT let those who wish to destroy our American way of life win!

Gays have the right to pursue happiness. They have the right of freedom of association. They DO NOT have a right to "marriage". Get over it.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:23:38 PM EDT
Well, at least they did it the right way and not through the courts.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:27:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By nationwide:

Originally Posted By BigB1129:
whats wrong with gay people getting married?



Marriage is for men and women.

Various legal arrangments are available for those who choose to live a lifestly other than traditional.

If you don't want a "traditional" life, why the heck would you want to be stigmatized with something as traditional as a "marriage".

Truth is, it's another attempt to end the American way of life. It's a culture war. And we shall NOT let those who wish to destroy our American way of life win!

Gays have the right to pursue happiness. They have the right of freedom of association. They DO NOT have a right to "marriage". Get over it.


Does it say in the constitution that marriage is for men and women? Why the hell is the government in the business of regulating it anyways?

What two people want to do with their lives is of no concern and doesnt effect you.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:27:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BigB1129:
whats wrong with gay people getting married?



Well, first of all, they aren't "married" no matter what they say.

Homos ram eachother up the rear end. That ain't sex.

Lesbians wish they had a dick and ram eachother up the wazoo with a plastic toy. That ain't sex.

Society defines the norms. We use religous standards to guide us in doing so. What I described above is against both, and they don't lead to reproduction.

Am I against them being together? Of course not. It simply isn't marriage, and we shouldn't "normalize" their abberant behavior, which is their real agenda.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:29:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By nationwide:

Originally Posted By BigB1129:
whats wrong with gay people getting married?



Marriage is for men and women.

Various legal arrangments are available for those who choose to live a lifestly other than traditional.

If you don't want a "traditional" life, why the heck would you want to be stigmatized with something as traditional as a "marriage".

Truth is, it's another attempt to end the American way of life. It's a culture war. And we shall NOT let those who wish to destroy our American way of life win!

Gays have the right to pursue happiness. They have the right of freedom of association. They DO NOT have a right to "marriage". Get over it.



The man said it.
+1.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:29:49 PM EDT
Guess where the next disaster is gonna hit.


Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:31:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2005 8:31:49 PM EDT by Airwolf]

But it was brought back to life in the Senate through a parliamentary maneuver that involved inserting its contents into a bill about marine research.




So, it couldn't pass on its own merits and had to be slipped in under the radar?



This nation would be ENTIRELY different if it was IMPOSSIBLE for shit like this to be legal. ONE bill on ONE issue brought up for debate and straight up/down vote and 90% of the horseshit we live with on a daily basis would never have come to pass.

Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:31:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By nationwide:
Gays have the right to pursue happiness. They have the right of freedom of association. They DO NOT have a right to "marriage". Get over it.



Well, if Arnie signs, they will indeed have the right, it will be you who has to get over it...

Besides, people need to be really careful in defining a government sanctioned item (marriage) in quasi religious terms, and that is exactly the implication in the term 'traditional'.

I agree that it is kind of ironic that after a lifetime at living an alternative existance, some want a traditional symbol applied. However, this has more to do with inheritance, healthcare, and things of that nature than anything else...

At minimum, civil unions are a foregone conclusion at this point in most states.

I've decided simply to live and let live on this one.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:32:18 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:32:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By p331083:
Does it say in the constitution that marriage is for men and women? Why the hell is the government in the business of regulating it anyways?

What two people want to do with their lives is of no concern and doesnt effect you.



Marriage is not covered in the US Consitution. However, it is addressed in every state Constitution or statutes.

Actually, it does affect me. Let me explain how...

First you have to understand that language determines thought. Ok? The words we use have meanings. Those meanings can be modified by the way those words are applied. If you change the way a word is used, you change the meaning, and in turn, change reality.

Therefore, if the angry old white men always said "marriage is between a man and a woman" for the last 2,000 years of civilization, and all of a sudden, America says, "No, marriage is between two people" then over the course of just one generation, that tradition is lost.

I'm sorry. I value my western cultural heritage MORE than I value the happiness of someone who's beliefs are so different than mine.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:33:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:

At minimum, civil unions are a foregone conclusion at this point in most states.




In the words of Governor Rick Perry:

'If the gays don't like it, then let them go to a state more suited to their lifestyle'

Looks like we know which state they're going to.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:35:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

In the words of Governor Rick Perry:

'If the gays don't like it, then let them go to a state more suited to their lifestyle'

Looks like we know which state they're going to.



I remember a similar quote from a CA legislater with regards to teenage girl who was/ was aspiring to be an Olympic shooter and the gun laws CA was passing...
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:37:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By nationwide:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

In the words of Governor Rick Perry:

'If the gays don't like it, then let them go to a state more suited to their lifestyle'

Looks like we know which state they're going to.



I remember a similar quote from a CA legislater with regards to teenage girl who was/ was aspiring to be an Olympic shooter and the gun laws CA was passing...



If I recall correctly, she moved to Texas.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:39:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By nationwide:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

In the words of Governor Rick Perry:

'If the gays don't like it, then let them go to a state more suited to their lifestyle'

Looks like we know which state they're going to.



I remember a similar quote from a CA legislater with regards to teenage girl who was/ was aspiring to be an Olympic shooter and the gun laws CA was passing...



If I recall correctly, she moved to Texas.



I'm sure she's legal by now
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:41:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By nationwide:

Originally Posted By p331083:
Does it say in the constitution that marriage is for men and women? Why the hell is the government in the business of regulating it anyways?

What two people want to do with their lives is of no concern and doesnt effect you.



Marriage is not covered in the US Consitution. However, it is addressed in every state Constitution or statutes.

Actually, it does affect me. Let me explain how...

First you have to understand that language determines thought. Ok? The words we use have meanings. Those meanings can be modified by the way those words are applied. If you change the way a word is used, you change the meaning, and in turn, change reality.

Therefore, if the angry old white men always said "marriage is between a man and a woman" for the last 2,000 years of civilization, and all of a sudden, America says, "No, marriage is between two people" then over the course of just one generation, that tradition is lost.

I'm sorry. I value my western cultural heritage MORE than I value the happiness of someone who's beliefs are so different than mine.


Thats like saying slavery should be kept because its part of our history and culture.

And how can you call marriage a sacred institution when divorce is so prevelant?
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:50:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/6/2005 8:51:28 PM EDT by nationwide]

Originally Posted By p331083:

Thats like saying slavery should be kept because its part of our history and culture.

And how can you call marriage a sacred institution when divorce is so prevelant?



Slavery has been around since man has been. It still is widely practiced around the world today, real slavery.
Divorce is so prevelant, because it has become so easy. Why do most people get divorced? Because they are "not happy" with their marriage. Used to be... you needed a reason. Now you need $1,000 and a financial statement.

The rise in divorce, can be tied to the breakdown of the nuclear family. When Mom decides she doesn't have to depend on Dad for her lively hood, she may take her chance on her own. "I am woman, hear me roar!" Sound familiar? What did that leave us with? The society we have today.

Where are we going to be after this next cut against American values?

ETA: Even if the divorce rate is 50%... that's 50% of folks who are STAYING married
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:52:55 PM EDT
The example relating child porn to homosexuality is bunk, because the child is the victim in child porn, and is being taken advantage of by a perverted adult.

If two consenting guys or girls decide to get "married" and have gay secks then let them. Sure it's not appetizing to us straights but let them do what they want. What I do in my bed room with my lady friend is between me and her... unless it was really cool and i decide to tell all my buddies! j/k!!!
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:54:33 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:55:19 PM EDT
I like the idea that all gay marriage is inherently evil/wrong/sinful.

I like this idea because the converse of that must be that heterosexual marriage is always blessed/correct/moral.

How any thinking adult can claim that a broken, violent, substance addled marriage between a man and a woman is morally superior to two fags who live a decent life together is beyond me. Completely retarded.

I'm not for gays being married, as much as i'm for heterosexuals pulling their head out of their asses. You do not have a moral leg to stand on. Marriage as an institution is a national disaster, and gay people cannot wreck it, cheapen it or worsen it. Impossible.

If gays marry by the shipload, and cornhole each other into the next millenium, it WILL NOT AFFECT my marriage, hurt it or make it less viable - any more than half of this forum members' heterosexual marriages that have crumbled into bitter divorce will.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:56:54 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:58:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By swingset:

Originally Posted By Enigma102083:
this is why I've always said that "marriage" should be limited to religious institutions and make everyone have a civil union under the law. Make the "marriage" just a religious ceremony that one has the option of having, but just rename the "marriage licence" to a "civil union licence" and now everyone is treated equal under the law. If they gays are part of a church that's willing to let them have a marriage ceremony, by all means that church can do whatever they want.



+1,000,000



Sounds good to me. I want to live my life without others moralizing or criticizing, so I will not do that to them.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 8:59:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gordon_freeman:
The example relating child porn to homosexuality is bunk, because the child is the victim in child porn, and is being taken advantage of by a perverted adult.

If two consenting guys or girls decide to get "married" and have gay secks then let them. Sure it's not appetizing to us straights but let them do what they want. What I do in my bed room with my lady friend is between me and her... unless it was really cool and i decide to tell all my buddies! j/k!!!



In the case of child porn/rape... the child is the victom.

In the case of Gay Marriage... society is the victom.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 9:02:37 PM EDT
If society can be a victim, then what is to stop people from claiming that the things you do are harming society?

Link Posted: 9/6/2005 9:03:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
Guess where the next disaster is gonna hit.





Rev. Phelps, is that you?
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 9:04:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
If society can be a victim, then what is to stop people from claiming that the things you do are harming society?




Nothing is stopping them. That's why we have speed limits, gun laws, drinking ages... shall I go on???

(not gonna say I owned you on that one... but it's obvious )
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 9:05:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Enigma102083:
this is why I've always said that "marriage" should be limited to religious institutions and make everyone have a civil union under the law. Make the "marriage" just a religious ceremony that one has the option of having, but just rename the "marriage licence" to a "civil union licence" and now everyone is treated equal under the law. If they gays are part of a church that's willing to let them have a marriage ceremony, by all means that church can do whatever they want.



Wish I had something more to add to this, but you got what I was thinking dead on.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 9:08:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Doucheatron3000:

Originally Posted By Enigma102083:
this is why I've always said that "marriage" should be limited to religious institutions and make everyone have a civil union under the law. Make the "marriage" just a religious ceremony that one has the option of having, but just rename the "marriage licence" to a "civil union licence" and now everyone is treated equal under the law. If they gays are part of a church that's willing to let them have a marriage ceremony, by all means that church can do whatever they want.



Wish I had something more to add to this, but you got what I was thinking dead on.



In theory I agree with you. But the problem is that the militant homosexuals will not stop until they've penetrated ( I know..) every sector of society. They want their way of life accepted EVERYWHERE... and you have to admit, that is unreasonable by any standard.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 9:14:38 PM EDT

He who is void of virtuous attachments in private life is, or very soon will be, void of all regard for his country. There is seldom an instance of a man guilty of betraying his country, who had not before lost the feeling of moral obligations in his private connections.

Samuel Adams


Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.
Benjamin Franklin


These men understood what character means. They understood what it means to be virtuous. This country is great because historically it has been made up of honest, virtuous, hard working people. People who exercise moral restraint, self control, and seek to do what is right even over personal gain and sometimes give the ultimate sacrifice in the cause of Truth and Virtue. Freedom does not mean an absence of structure or rules. It is my firm belief that as this country throws traditional values in exchange for counterfeits we are going to see more and more of what we've witnessed in NOLA this past week. As people turn themselves over more and more to unbridled appetites and passions there will be a proportional loss in civility, intelligence, good will, and prosperity. The fastest way to destroy this country is to take the freedoms it has and choke on them in an orgy of gluttenous self gratification.

Keep tossing away the "anitquated" morals, traditional Families, and principles of Right and Wrong undilluted by moral relativism that have kept this country going for 200+ years. Go ahead and call it tolerance, keep saying it doesn't affect you personally. May your chains weight lightly upon you.
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 9:14:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By nationwide:
In the case of Gay Marriage... society is the victom.



Group rights over individual rights? Thought gun owners were supposed to be into this whole 'personal freedom' dealie.

Also, how does the union of two people damage society?
Link Posted: 9/6/2005 9:16:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By nationwide:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
If society can be a victim, then what is to stop people from claiming that the things you do are harming society?




Nothing is stopping them. That's why we have speed limits, gun laws, drinking ages... shall I go on???

(not gonna say I owned you on that one... but it's obvious )


Big difference between speed limits, and allowing to guys to be married. One set of laws is subject to everyone, while another punishes a small minority.

Fact is gay marriage doesnt effect you. If you want to go off and get married for 30 years you can. Gays arent gonna break down your door and drag you too divorce court.

Saying gay marriage should be banned is just like the liberals wanting guns banned. Its nothing more than useless legislastion that punishes people for doing nothing wrong. Im surprised so many people here who advocate small government support the extending of it's powers.

Link Posted: 9/6/2005 9:19:02 PM EDT
No point catering to a vocal 4% of the population when 80,000,000 gun owners still get the shaft.
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