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Posted: 1/22/2008 8:45:23 AM EST
I am behind CARB enemy lines already but I saw this following note regarding Scepter gas cans on Brigades website:
What's a "CARB" Can?

CARB stands for California Air Resources Board. They established regulations for environmental requirements of Portable Fuel Containers and Spill-Proof spouts in California. Many states have adopted these requirements. The U.S. EPA will adopt similar national requirements in January 2009. A CARB Compliant canister must have the following features to meet these requirements:
• An autostop, self venting nozzle that stops the flow of fuel when the target tank reaches full.
• A single opening for filling & pouring. No separate vents or openings.
• A treated can body for very low permeation.
• Automatic closure. Nozzle automatically springs to the closed position when not pouring.

The EPA will adopt a National Non-Carb Ban in 2009?
Say it isn't so?
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 9:18:52 AM EST
wtf?? do i have to buy a new can for my quad?
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 9:20:02 AM EST
You gotta be shitting me.
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 9:20:17 AM EST
Crap. How much does a CARB gas can cost?
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 9:21:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By AngeredKabar:
You gotta be shitting me.


If only.

www.nospill.com/States_Compliance.htm
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 9:22:07 AM EST
Get your pre ban gas cans now.
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 9:22:59 AM EST
The solution is simple. Buy a gas can now. Maybe a variety of sizes, a 5gal/2.5gal/1gal.
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 9:23:18 AM EST
better stock on up no-ban cans guys, and then make a killing selling them during the ban!


-patrt
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 9:26:33 AM EST
Had to used them in MD for the last few years.
There a PIA. I end up spilling more gas with the new ones over the old type. Started using a old Kerosene battery pump to fill up the ATV and lawn mower.
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 9:27:02 AM EST
To late in Texas. Already switched here in Houston. I can't find a decent gas can and I have looked.
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 9:27:41 AM EST
we have these in NY, and they suck i hate them, they actually cause you to spill more fuel because of the extreme angle you have to hold them at in order for them to work, it's got to the point where if I see a old style can on the side of the road I'll stop and take the nozzle if it is good,
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 9:29:58 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/22/2008 9:30:06 AM EST by Kharn]
They're also impossible to use to refill a car or other vehicle with a gas tank larger than your head (since you need to press the nozzle against something to get it to open.

You can always buy surplus 5gal military gas cans and donkey dicks (fuel nozzles).

Kharn
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 9:32:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By Gary_631:
Had to used them in MD for the last few years.
There a PIA. I end up spilling more gas with the new ones over the old type. Started using a old Kerosene battery pump to fill up the ATV and lawn mower.


That sound like everything else the environmentalists are pushing. Low-flow toilets for example. It takes me more water to flush my crap than with a normal tank.
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 9:34:54 AM EST
How many people who push for, and create these laws do you really think have ever handled a fuel can? Not many...
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 9:36:02 AM EST
I will be so happy when this emissions/gasoline bullshit blows over one day.
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 9:43:51 AM EST
I havent been able to find a non Algore'd gas can for a couple of years. None of them have freaking vents on them. I figured this had solved global warming and thats why it has been so damn cold around here. WTF?
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 9:45:02 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/22/2008 9:45:30 AM EST by blacklisted]
Those cans spill gas and are absolute trash from my limited experience.
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 9:49:13 AM EST
I'll figure something out...
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 9:50:39 AM EST
As of two years ago, only the CARB gas containers are available in Texas.
(as per http://www.nospill.com/States_Compliance.htm - thanks for the link)
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 9:54:21 AM EST
drill you own vent and use a small gas shut off to plug it when you transport it.

come on guys think out side of the sheeple
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 9:55:04 AM EST
Believe it or not, Kalifornia has a department just to test and approve gas cans. You can't sell a gas can unless the State tests it and adds it to their list of approved gas cans.

No wonder the state is broke.

Of course, the special approved nozzles don't work either.
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 9:56:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By timdog68:
I am behind CARB enemy lines already but I saw this following note regarding Scepter gas cans on Brigades website:
What's a "CARB" Can?

CARB stands for California Air Resources Board. They established regulations for environmental requirements of Portable Fuel Containers and Spill-Proof spouts in California. Many states have adopted these requirements. The U.S. EPA will adopt similar national requirements in January 2009. A CARB Compliant canister must have the following features to meet these requirements:
• An autostop, self venting nozzle that stops the flow of fuel when the target tank reaches full.
• A single opening for filling & pouring. No separate vents or openings.
• A treated can body for very low permeation.
• Automatic closure. Nozzle automatically springs to the closed position when not pouring.

The EPA will adopt a National Non-Carb Ban in 2009?
Say it isn't so?

These 'post-ban' gas cans suck!! I always end up modifying them to make them work.
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 9:58:20 AM EST
Carb cans cant fill a small resevoir like a weed wacker or blower as well as car tanks without using a funnel anyway.
They are a perfect example of a Government F***Up.
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 10:00:55 AM EST

Originally Posted By Carl-S:
Believe it or not, Kalifornia has a department just to test and approve gas cans. You can't sell a gas can unless the State tests it and adds it to their list of approved gas cans.

No wonder the state is broke.

Of course, the special approved nozzles don't work either.




This mirriors my experiences with them. They don't work for shit and spill more fuel than the old ones.



-K
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 10:04:11 AM EST
Just another thing to add to the pre-ban check list.

Gas cans- check
light bulbs- check
toilets- check
magazines- check
uppers- check
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 10:10:22 AM EST
When I was at Bass Pro last summer, we were still ordering in the non Carb ones and had the 5gal ones for like $6. They should still be selling them as the main warehouse had a couple million at one point.
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 10:10:29 AM EST
Yea, i totally spill more gas with the new ones then i did with the old ones. I never knew that these were mandated, i just thought it was a new gimmic. Go figure. Try to fill a cessna with one of these, or a car, and you just get fuel all over the fuckin place. Yea, way to go, way to save the day california.
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 10:13:46 AM EST
This bill was dancing around CA for a while.

www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-op-goldberg20jan20,0,3367747.column?coll=la-opinion-center



...
California is proposing revisions to its housing code that would require all new or remodeled homes to have a "programmable communicating thermostat." Equipped with special "nonremovable" FM radio receivers, these devices would allow state power authorities to set the temperature in your home as they see fit. Ostensibly to manage demand during "price events" and other "emergencies," you would basically cede control of your home's heating and air conditioning to the state (when and if state officials wanted to exercise it).
...

Link Posted: 1/22/2008 10:35:33 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 10:36:18 AM EST
Since I'm apparantly going to be stockpiling a few cans for future use, which ones last longer in storage, the plastic ones or the metal ones? The metal ones can rust, but will the plastic degrade and become brittle over time?
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 10:41:51 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/22/2008 10:43:27 AM EST by timdog68]
If they will still sell them to civilians despite the note on the website I highly recommend the Scepter Red Strap MFC's from actiongear.com(Brigade).
They are not cheap ($40.00) but will last forever(Heavyduty HDPE Plastic).
You can also gets spouts for them as well but again they aint cheap.
Good Luck
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 10:44:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By PreBanPatry:
better stock on up no-ban cans guys, and then make a killing selling them during the ban!


-patrt


im telling the ATFGC
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 10:46:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By Admiral_Crunch:
Since I'm apparantly going to be stockpiling a few cans for future use, which ones last longer in storage, the plastic ones or the metal ones? The metal ones can rust, but will the plastic degrade and become brittle over time?


Brigade(actiongear.com) is in Georgia BTW
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 10:47:39 AM EST
Anyone has a link to one of these sorry CARB gas cans?

I ask because I bought a can less than a year ago and it had a different type of spout. I prefer it. I don't spill a drop.

Either the "new" type of can I got isn't a CARB can or you guys don't know how to pour gas.

Link Posted: 1/22/2008 10:51:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By Justa_TXguy:
Anyone has a link to one of these sorry CARB gas cans?

I ask because I bought a can less than a year ago and it had a different type of spout. I prefer it. I don't spill a drop.

Either the "new" type of can I got isn't a CARB can or you guys don't know how to pour gas.



The ones on top are self venting and work slow but ok the spill proof on the bottom SUCK(Current Spec)
www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/DisplayIncludeDynamicView?storeId=10001&inc=high_res.jsp&image=006_187_001_510.jpg&desc=Plastic Gas Cans
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 11:07:28 AM EST
I know the vent free no spill gas cans that dont work worth a fuck we sell at my work cost about 3x the cost of the old ones.
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 1:24:21 PM EST
Is there a compliant nozzle that will work with metal NATO cans?
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 1:53:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By AmericanPatriot1776:
Is there a compliant nozzle that will work with metal NATO cans?




Doubtful.
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 1:55:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By bradbradbrad:
wtf?? do i have to buy a new can for my quad?



Yep,
and don't forget to replace your banned light bulbs while you're at it.
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 2:00:54 PM EST
They suck. I don't even use the nozzle.
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 2:04:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By Tim_the_enchanter:
Get your pre ban gas cans now.


Remember Hurricane Katrina?

I ended up with a gazillion gas cans out of that experience. I'm GTG with gas cans.
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 2:05:50 PM EST
I hate those cans. They are required by OSHA for construction so that is all we use and they can be quite the pain in the ass with the auto closing lids.

Good thing I have lots of pre-ban gas cans!
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 2:09:36 PM EST
Yes, they suck.
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 3:03:03 PM EST
Go to the hardware or paint store and buy a metal 1 gal screw top can. Prime the outside of the can then paint it red or what ever color you like. Let the spay paint job cure real good . Now you have a metal gas can.
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 3:06:14 PM EST
I love the Simple Siphon. Two or three quick shakes starts the flow. I can drain 5 gals into the tractor or ATV in 2-3 minutes. No pouring or spills. They are really worth while and cheap. Check em out at

http://www.simplesiphon.com/products/

Give the a try. You won't be dissapointed.
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 3:11:20 PM EST
Does anybody know if I can buy stock in the company that makes these god-forsaken abominations?
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 3:12:24 PM EST
CARB cans already here in Maine. They are excellent (honestly) for filling your small outboard motor in the middle of the lake without creating a huge rainbow sheen on the water. Other than that they are a pain.
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 3:15:00 PM EST
Another reason to build a giant wall around Kalifornia before any more of their socialist/progressive crap further invades the free states (what's left of them)

Semper Fi!
Link Posted: 1/22/2008 3:22:24 PM EST
How in the world did those cans ever earn the title "spill proof" title?
Link Posted: 1/23/2008 3:38:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By timdog68:

Originally Posted By Justa_TXguy:
Anyone has a link to one of these sorry CARB gas cans?

I ask because I bought a can less than a year ago and it had a different type of spout. I prefer it. I don't spill a drop.

Either the "new" type of can I got isn't a CARB can or you guys don't know how to pour gas.



The ones on top are self venting and work slow but ok the spill proof on the bottom SUCK(Current Spec)
www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/DisplayIncludeDynamicView?storeId=10001&inc=high_res.jsp&image=006_187_001_510.jpg&desc=Plastic Gas Cans


Ah, I have the self venting one and it works 100%. I like it.

Haven't seen the "spilproof" new kind yet, thank god.

Link Posted: 1/23/2008 4:05:33 PM EST
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