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Posted: 3/17/2006 8:44:50 AM EDT
Narrowed down to a CMP Springfield Garand, a CMP H&R Garand, or a CAI FAL with a Imbel reciever, all within $10 of each other.....just which one.

Getting both (or all three) is NOT an option.


Believe the Garands to be Rack grade, all three are about $550 each



roy d....it's tough to be me sometimes
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 8:45:57 AM EDT
Garand
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 8:47:32 AM EDT
Me, I'd go with the H&R Garand.

H&R's aren't as plentiful as Springfields, plus good Garands are getting harder to find as time goes
on. Plus, it's a piece of US history.

FALs are nice rifles, but as a parts-gun, you can always build up one later. Not a viable option w/
the Garand.

JMHO....
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 8:51:17 AM EDT
I was going to say a Garand even before I saw that the FAL was made by CAI.

And at $550 for the Garands you are looking at the service grade ones, not rack grade.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 8:51:18 AM EDT
'Clang'

Link Posted: 3/17/2006 8:52:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By illigb:
'Clang'




Link Posted: 3/17/2006 8:52:14 AM EDT
+1 on the Garand.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 8:52:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 2A373:

Originally Posted By illigb:
'Clang'







I take it you don't own a Garand?

Link Posted: 3/17/2006 8:53:34 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 8:53:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/17/2006 8:54:37 AM EDT by mef223]
I have an unhealthy love for my Garand. The other day I was sitting on the couch fondling it when my gf came home and busted me. I felt like I had been caught jacking off. Get yourself the FAL and spare yourself the obsession.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 8:55:17 AM EDT
Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Piiiiing!

Link Posted: 3/17/2006 8:56:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DanishM1Garand:
Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Bang, Piiiiing!




+1
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 8:56:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SubnetMask:

Originally Posted By 2A373:

Originally Posted By illigb:
'Clang'







I take it you don't own a Garand?




I have two of them and they go "ping", not "clang".
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 8:57:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SubnetMask:

Originally Posted By 2A373:

Originally Posted By illigb:
'Clang'







I take it you don't own a Garand?




I'm glad you speak Garand. Some need the translation.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 8:57:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/17/2006 8:58:48 AM EDT by civprod]
Get the Garand.

Like others have mentioned it is a piece of US history and there is really nothing like the "ping" that is made when the empty clip is ejected.

ETA: I would get the H&R Garand. There were fewer of them made so it is a more unique piece. But there is nothing wrong with a Springfield either.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 9:00:50 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 9:01:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/17/2006 9:04:26 AM EDT by peasant]
I can't imagine Roy owning anything BUT a Garand. I guess the real question is " How big an ol' boy are ya?" Real men own Garands, not some sissy French (OK Belgian)rifle. Just kidding.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 9:07:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/17/2006 9:07:39 AM EDT by silascobb]
Garand, all the way. You can always get a FAL later. CMP's supply won't last forever.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 9:08:11 AM EDT
both...duh
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 9:10:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By kpel308:

Originally Posted By civprod:
Get the Garand.

Like others have mentioned it is a piece of US history and there is really nothing like the "ping" that is made when the empty clip is ejected.

ETA: I would get the H&R Garand. There were fewer of them made so it is a more unique piece. But there is nothing wrong with a Springfield either.


Just ask the German soldiers who shot our guys while they were reloading...

No, I am not trolling. I actually did own an M1. It was just a pain to load while prone. Quality piece, and if you shoot righty, a great piece of American history. It's just not my "cuppa."




HERESY !!!! Burn the witch!!





I'd definitely get a quality original garand over a FAL "second" any day.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 9:10:15 AM EDT
the H&R Garand
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 9:12:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By illigb:

Originally Posted By SubnetMask:

Originally Posted By 2A373:

Originally Posted By illigb:
'Clang'







I take it you don't own a Garand?




I'm glad you speak Garand. Some need the translation.



What's wrong with your Garand that is causing it to go "Clang"? Both mine go "Ping" after the last round.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 9:18:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By kpel308:

Originally Posted By civprod:
Get the Garand.

Like others have mentioned it is a piece of US history and there is really nothing like the "ping" that is made when the empty clip is ejected.

ETA: I would get the H&R Garand. There were fewer of them made so it is a more unique piece. But there is nothing wrong with a Springfield either.


Just ask the German soldiers who shot our guys while they were reloading...

No, I am not trolling. I actually did own an M1. It was just a pain to load while prone. Quality piece, and if you shoot righty, a great piece of American history. It's just not my "cuppa."



That's just a bunch of nonsense.

you wont see that reloading stuff in anything written by the guys that used the gun in combat

you can reload the garand in 1 second flat

Link Posted: 3/17/2006 9:18:38 AM EDT

Also - if you get the Garand and don't like it, you can sell it easily. The CMP is such a deal, that you can easily recoup your cost (which is not the case with the FAL - which you'd be lucky to sell for what you paid for it).


In fact, if it helps you make a decisions, I'll guarantee you that if you buy a CMP Springfield, and you DON'T like it, I will immediately buy it from you at a $100 markup. It's worth it to me, since I cannot buy directly from the CMP myself, and it removes any risk for you - so it's a win-win. (I've got a C&R FFL, so it can be shipped directly to me as well.)

Not trying to talk you into anything (plus, I KNOW that if you get the garand, you'll love it and you WILL keep it ) - just saying that there's no risk to you in TRYING the Garand first, even if you are unsure. Even if you don't take me up on the offer, you can almost certainly sell it to anyone for more than the CMP price, just by planing it on the EE.


Either way, get the Garand !!
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 9:18:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By kpel308:

Originally Posted By civprod:
Get the Garand.

Like others have mentioned it is a piece of US history and there is really nothing like the "ping" that is made when the empty clip is ejected.

ETA: I would get the H&R Garand. There were fewer of them made so it is a more unique piece. But there is nothing wrong with a Springfield either.


Just ask the German soldiers who shot our guys while they were reloading...

No, I am not trolling. I actually did own an M1. It was just a pain to load while prone. Quality piece, and if you shoot righty, a great piece of American history. It's just not my "cuppa."



There were supposedly some crafty GI's that would toss an empty clip at a rock, and light up anybody looking to make some easy kills-might just be an urban legend.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 9:24:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/17/2006 9:28:32 AM EDT by HBruns]
Any reason you're thinking of the CMP H&R Rack Grade?

The only reason the H&R is more expensive is the H&R receivers are less common than Springfields. There is no operational or functional difference.

Also - the Rack Grade Springfields should be closer to $350, not the $550 charged for the H&R.

Rack Grade Garands have little collector value. All CMP Garands (except Correct Grade and Collector Grade) are a mix of parts and have been rebuilt/reworked/refinished at least once. You can get a H&R action with a Springfield bolt, etc... Rack Grade are the "same" as Field Grade or Service Grade, except for wear & tear.... all of them are "mixmaster" guns.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 9:25:18 AM EDT
FAL.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 9:34:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By l1a1man:
FAL.



CMP Springfield Garand
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 9:42:04 AM EDT
Deny the Angry Beavers another victim. Go with the H&R.

"Hi, my name is geerhed, and I am FALoholic number 3005."
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 9:43:45 AM EDT
Get Both.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 9:50:23 AM EDT


hmmm.... want to say GET BOTH but since that's not an option


given your choices get one of the Garands
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 9:55:41 AM EDT
FWIW- The CAI FALs built on IMBEL receivers are pretty good. I own a few and they don't have the problems associated with other CAI frankenguns. However, I think you will be able to find good semi-auto FALs for many years in the future, Garands ARE drying up. Get a CMP gun while you can.

Link Posted: 3/17/2006 9:58:55 AM EDT
No pistol grip = not an option.
FAL.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 10:16:04 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 10:18:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By kpel308:

Originally Posted By red65:

{SNIP}

you can reload the garand in 1 second flat



Not if you're shooting lefty!



I can't do it in 10 seconds, and I'm not a lefty. I suck.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 10:47:51 AM EDT
I'd take the FAL over a rack grade M1.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 10:48:59 AM EDT
Garand!
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 11:02:41 AM EDT
The few CAI FALs I've seen in stores left me unimpressed. I have two CMP Garands and a SAR-48 (Imbel FAL). I am also just completing my first FAL build (Imbel kit on a DSA receiver). If you buy from the CMP, it WILL be just as they describe it for each grade and WILL work. As for resale value, even their rack grades will bring more on the market than what you'll pay the CMP for it. If you buy a CAI, or similar, FAL, you may need to have to do some work to it to get it running right.

The M1 a problem loading from prone? I don't think so. Drop the butt down, throw in the enbloc clip, rap the handle, start firing. As fast, or faster, than loading any box mag rifle.

I truly love the M1s but if given the choice of only one, I'd take a good running FAL.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 11:46:21 AM EDT
Thanks for all the advice everyone.

First let me clarify...I'm a righty, so no lefty issues.

The Garands are CMP's being resold at a local retail store, not directly through CMP...they have presumably been marked up accordingly.

The H&R reciever looks nicer than the springfield (subjective, I know) but the Springfield stock looks much nicer than the H&R.

I have no clue about these rifles as I am EBR nut...I can't testify to their ME and TE gauge, but presume from my research that they are working and safe coming from the CMP.



roy d...thanks again
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 11:51:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By RoyDamnMercer:

The Garands are CMP's being resold at a local retail store, not directly through CMP...they have presumably been marked up accordingly.



You should buy from the CMP yourself (which I thought you were doing, when I made my offer btw )

I can't believe you can buy from the CMP, and would choose not to.

It is easier and easier to do these days, and you're just throwing money away by not doing it.

Link Posted: 3/17/2006 12:02:26 PM EDT
CMP Garand - they ain't making no more of them.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 12:11:09 PM EDT
The correct choices.
1) DSA FAL
2) Any Garand
3) CAI FAL
(Actually I don't think I would buy a CAI FAL unless I had a chance to put 100 rounds through it before buying it.)
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 12:26:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SS109:
The correct choices.
1) DSA FAL or an Imbel
1.1) HK G3
2) Any Garand
3) CAI FAL
(Actually I don't think I would buy a CAI FAL unless I had a chance to put 100 rounds through it before buying it.)



fixed
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 12:31:48 PM EDT
All this talk about Imbel's gets me going...here is some FAL porn. Its a German G1 on an Imbel reciever w/DSA scope mount & brake. 16" Wilson barrel. Duracoated coyote brown.

Link Posted: 3/17/2006 12:40:38 PM EDT
In this case, Garand.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 12:42:30 PM EDT
FAL
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 12:46:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/17/2006 12:47:12 PM EDT by vanilla_gorilla]
I would say Garand. You can build an FAL later, as I intend to do...I just need to get another Garand first.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 12:52:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

You should buy from the CMP yourself (which I thought you were doing, when I made my offer btw )

I can't believe you can buy from the CMP, and would choose not to.

It is easier and easier to do these days, and you're just throwing money away by not doing it.





Yes, But I can't do it in stealth mode (w/o wife finding out)...plus I'd have to abide by their rules and I've never been good at following rules.

roy d....all your donuts are belong to me
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 1:00:42 PM EDT
Although I'm a FALnatic, go for the Garand. Any CAI FAL is bound to be a disappointment. Save up and get a DSA STG58 down the road.
I got a CMP Garand, one with the Danish VAR(?) barrel. That rifle rocks. For the money, you'll get a nice garand instead of a so-so FAL.

But if it was one rifle that I had to pick from the two, and save money to get a quality one, I'd wait and buy a quality FAL. There are many reasons (availability of surplus caliber ammo, 20 round magazine, adjustable gas system, etc.) for this besides rifle design, so don't everyone get all uptight.

If you get the Garand, don't for get the long bayonet. That keeps things 8 feet away from ya.
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 1:10:22 PM EDT
Both are great weapons, enjoy buy both
Link Posted: 3/17/2006 1:23:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 2A373:

Originally Posted By illigb:

Originally Posted By SubnetMask:

Originally Posted By 2A373:

Originally Posted By illigb:
'Clang'







I take it you don't own a Garand?




I'm glad you speak Garand. Some need the translation.




What's wrong with your Garand that is causing it to go "Clang"? Both mine go "Ping" after the last round.



Mine goes "Ecky-ecky-ecky-ecky-p'tang-zoo-boing-goodem-zu-owly-zhi".

"Ni!"
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