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Posted: 2/17/2002 6:23:13 PM EDT
A interesting hypothesis, and quite refreshing if true.
Bush welcomes solo role in battle vs. 'evil' Ahn Young-joon/Associated Press South Koreans, angered by Bush's "axis of evil" speech, rally Saturday in Seoul, where Bush is to arrive Tuesday. By David E. Sanger New York Times Feb. 17, 2002 WASHINGTON - As a glaring rift emerges between the White House and America's allies over how to pursue the next phase of the war on terrorism, something odd has happened: President Bush and his top aides now seem to welcome, even to egg on, the sharp differences prompted by Bush's determination to expand his battle against what he calls "evil" regimes. In private, his friends and closest aides report, Bush fumes about weak-kneed "European elites" and scared Arab leaders who, in his view, lack the courage to stand up to states that may one day provide terrorists with nuclear or biological weapons. On Saturday, Bush departed for Asia saying that the goal of his trip is to strengthen his anti-terrorism coalition. But it was telling that even before Air Force One departed, the South Korean press was filled with denunciations of his inclusion of North Korea as part of an "axis of evil," protesting that Bush was undercutting years of diplomacy aimed at luring the Stalinist North out of its frightfully armed shell with economic incentives. In China, where Bush is making a delayed state visit, the country's leadership has warned in the past few weeks of "serious consequences" if the president takes military action against Iraq. Beijing has voiced worries about a re-emergence of American unilateralism, which it thought had faded in the months after the Sept. 11 attacks. But in the past two weeks, Bush's strident tone has suggested just the opposite. In appearances across the country, he has built on the "axis of evil" phraseology of his State of the Union address, knowing full well that each repetition irritates and divides the countries he once hailed as his great coalition partners. His national security aides, who are usually more attuned to how Bush's words play in Poland or Peru than in Peoria, have begun to cite evidence that Americans are behind the broader mission of rooting out rogue states seeking weapons of mass destruction, even if the allies are not. They compare Bush's mission to Ronald Reagan's single-minded goal of ridding the world of Communism. They describe Bush as emerging from the war's first phase more convinced than ever that the United States alone has the power to complete its task, with or without the coalition. When America's allies have begged to differ in recent days, they have found themselves engaged in public bickering with even the most diplomatic members of Bush's war council. It started when French Foreign Minister Hubert Vedrine dismissed Bush's approach to Iran, Iraq and North Korea as "simplistic," and Secretary of State Colin Powell shot back that his French colleague was "getting the vapors." German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer said last week that the Bush administration was treating coalition partners like "satellites," a term clearly meant as a comparison to the old Soviet Union and its Eastern Bloc. Even Canada, America's closest ally save for Britain, warned that any effort by the United States to act unilaterally in the next phase of the war "will go nowhere."
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Link Posted: 2/17/2002 6:32:58 PM EDT
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GW deliberately antagonizing Europeans, Muslims?
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I sure as hell hope so. France is always pissed when we don't bring them in to criticize, second-guess, and leak secrets.
Link Posted: 2/17/2002 6:37:18 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/17/2002 6:47:06 PM EDT
The United States isn't atogonizing anyone. They are merely saying, If you are with us fine, if you are not , oh well.. That is like asking each man if he wants to join the fight, any man who says no is respected for their decision any man who says yes is expected to give his all. Same goes for those nations. I for one havn't heard Tony Blair utter anything negative about the US or Bush, I havn't Heard anyone from Australia say anything either. I think GWB is the greatest president since Lincoln. I think God is with him, this nation, and its people. The only reservation I have for solving this problem is who might inherent the results. In other words will the DEMO's inherent Bushs and our Troops good deed to merely exploit and bring down into mediocrity the same way they always do????? Or will this nation once and for all decide the RIGHT is "RIGHT" and Vote Accordingly. Benjamin
Link Posted: 2/17/2002 6:50:27 PM EDT
Of course our "allies" don't want to rush into things. They don't have planes flying into their buildings.
Link Posted: 2/17/2002 7:16:43 PM EDT
Contrary to the beliefs of our "allies" we can do it ourselves through Turkey only, if need be. It would be better to have the Gulf States with us however.
Link Posted: 2/17/2002 7:32:55 PM EDT
Since America sppends more on their military than the next 15 nations combined, we are in perfect shape to go it alone. Even the Commonwealth's excellent Special Forces count on us to get them there and keep them supplied.
Link Posted: 2/17/2002 7:53:26 PM EDT
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We better watch out, it's the much feared [b](((CANADIAN WARNING)))[/b] Canada warns "will go nowhere" What the hell kind of WARNING is that? That is the most ridiculously stupid and laughable warning in the history of politics! "Even Canada, America's closest ally save for Britain, warned that any effort by the United States to act unilaterally in the next phase of the war "will go nowhere."
Link Posted: 2/17/2002 8:41:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl: A interesting hypothesis, and quite refreshing if true.
In private, his friends and closest aides report, Bush fumes about weak-kneed "European elites"
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France surrendered [beer]
Link Posted: 2/17/2002 8:51:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Am-O-Tramp: We better watch out, it's the much feared [b](((CANADIAN WARNING)))[/b] Canada warns "will go nowhere" What the hell kind of WARNING is that? That is the most ridiculously stupid and laughable warning in the history of politics! "Even Canada, America's closest ally save for Britain, warned that any effort by the United States to act unilaterally in the next phase of the war "will go nowhere."
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the Canadians were not part of the bombing operation that set the Taliban on the run, right?
Link Posted: 2/17/2002 9:11:07 PM EDT
In private, his friends and closest aides report, Bush fumes about weak-kneed "European elites
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Guess who was responsible for aprehending the most difficult to catch suspects of warcrimes in former Yugo. Hint, it wasn't any of the US special ops personell. Ask the Marines in LeJeune how 2000's joint excercise with Royal Netherlands Marines went, especially an ambush excercise in which the USMC was numerically superiour but yet got waxed by three fireteams of RNLMC. Your President ought to try to explain weak-kneed to the SAS, GIGN, Dutch BBE, British RMC, GSG9, Dutch SF etc etc.....now if he means the europolitical elite...I concur about the weakkneed bit.
Link Posted: 2/17/2002 9:12:11 PM EDT
shooter69 It's the warning from a so called friend and neighbor thats disgusting, not if they were there.
Link Posted: 2/17/2002 9:16:06 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SS109: Since America spends more on their military than the next 15 nations combined, we are in perfect shape to go it alone.
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And since we spend the money in order to be able to fight wars alone let's get it done. (Exluding Iraq, I believe the British and Canadians will be pretty much with us against the others. Before day one the British have said they wanted no part of Iraq.) [X]
Link Posted: 2/17/2002 9:20:15 PM EDT
"europolitical elite" I think that's exactly what he means. Smart, skilled soliders and units exist in all NATO countries. It's their political leadership that may be a problem. Mike
Link Posted: 2/17/2002 9:29:57 PM EDT
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5subslr5 I wonder if the Queen has oil interests in or that pass through Iraq?
Link Posted: 2/18/2002 1:27:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Am-O-Tramp: shooter69 It's the warning from a so called friend and neighbor thats disgusting, not if they were there.
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Well... their feelings are hurt. They want to feel included, even if they don't do shit. When you think of all the effort to get a squadron of fighter/bombers or more likely some damn hospital ship as their "contribution" you wonder if it's worth the trouble. As if they somehow have veto power over us. HA! "No bases for you!"
Link Posted: 2/18/2002 1:48:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Kuiper:
In private, his friends and closest aides report, Bush fumes about weak-kneed "European elites
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Guess who was responsible for aprehending the most difficult to catch suspects of warcrimes in former Yugo. Hint, it wasn't any of the US special ops personell. Ask the Marines in LeJeune how 2000's joint excercise with Royal Netherlands Marines went, especially an ambush excercise in which the USMC was numerically superiour but yet got waxed by three fireteams of RNLMC. Your President ought to try to explain weak-kneed to the SAS, GIGN, Dutch BBE, British RMC, GSG9, Dutch SF etc etc.....now if he means the europolitical elite...I concur about the weakkneed bit.
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Who cares if your special forces are better than our marines. I could point out the fact that it was European soldiers chained to trees and shit by the Bosnian Serb riff-raff. The very fact that you Europeans couldn't handle the Yugoslavian mess by yourselves is a sign of your weakness, in so many ways. Half a century ago one European nation dominated the continent... and now Germany, Britain, France, Italy, Spain, Benelux, et al together are little more than paper tigers. You have the capacity to be otherwise, but choose continued reliance on Uncle Sam. Why? Russians moving west? No. Historical ties? No. Just assuaging our ego? No. Why? Because replacing US forces in Europe would cost money which you would rather spend on your beloved social programs. American taxpayers are in effect subsidizing the socialist big spenders of Europe with programs that they themselves do not or have ever enjoyed. You don't really need us anymore... if you ever did.
Link Posted: 2/18/2002 5:47:52 AM EDT
Worry about offending the North Koreans? The Iraqis? I hope so! But one thing is for sure, we have found out who our friends really are. We know where the damn Saudis stand now, don't we? And I must say, I was pleasantly surprised at the support Turkey has given us. I will state this, and not apologise... it is Islam that has made those countries into the poorest, most backwards countries on earth, not any "western oppression." They have isolated themselves, and destroyed their own countries from within, then blame the west. Yes, they are truly evil, as evil as Communism.
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