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Posted: 10/7/2004 6:38:32 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2004 6:39:51 AM EST by renotse]
THE "FLIP-FLOP" CHARGE WAS A DIVERSION?

National Review

The guys at CrushKerry.com interview a GOP campaign operative - I think I know who they're talking to, and if I'm right, their description of his title and duties is accurate - and get a sense of an emerging strategy shift on the Bush campaign:


We recently expressed our frustration over the “flip-flop” narrative with a veteran GOP campaign operative in daily contact with, and in some cases working side by side with, high-level "Bush/Cheney 04" campaign officials, and asked them why, given all the evidence that this message had long since played itself out, did the campaign continue to hammer away on it, ala Bush v. Clinton, ‘92? When were Republicans going to pummel this clown with his own record ala Reagan v. Mondale, ’84 and Bush v. Dukakis, ’88?

“October,” the operative, who asked to remain nameless, told us. “We couldn’t stay quiet all year. And if we’d been hitting him [Kerry] on his liberal record all year, it would have grown stale and lost its punch, like the flip-flop stuff has. The plan was always to barrage him with his record and brand him a Massachusetts and Washington liberal during the crucial month of October.”

So the “flip-flop” stuff was just entertaining background noise?

“That’s exactly right,” we were told. “Look, we know we can beat John Kerry on his liberal voting record. But that decision is made in finality by most voters during the closing days of an election. We needed to give people something to talk about for the past year while Kerry has tried to slash the President down with his vicious, negative attacks.”

But now the campaign is on? We’re going to see and hear a more offensive posture from the President and his campaign?

“Absolutely. I think you could call it ‘Shock and Awe.’ You’ll know it when you see it,” our source said.

We can’t wait. And we urge the President to give us more of what he gave us yesterday.



Of course, I can't help but wonder why this new focus on Kerry's liberalism didn't start with the first debate. Or maybe it did start in the first debate, and I just missed it among all the "workin' hard... hard work" comments.

If this plan works - Kerry is defined as the epitome of Massachusetts liberalism, then it will be a much more effective and satisfying victory for conservatives if Kerry is rejected by the voters because of his liberalism instead of his indecisiveness or inability to stick to one position for a period of time.

On the other, other hand... if Kerry wins, then it is an unmitigated victory for liberalism.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 6:59:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By renotse:

Of course, I can't help but wonder why this new focus on Kerry's liberalism didn't start with the first debate. .



Its called a "set up."

Put out a credible if uninspired message. Get the opponent overconfident. Create low expecxtations in the audience.

Then WHAMMO!!!!!!!!!!

Link Posted: 10/7/2004 7:04:50 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 7:09:36 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2004 7:10:48 AM EST by renotse]

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
You don't think Chenet started this on Tuesday night? Go re-read the transcript of the debate... read Bush's remarks from yesterday.



I do think that it has begun! That is why I made the Post, I wanted to see what y'all thought of it.


Link Posted: 10/7/2004 7:13:53 AM EST
That's pretty good.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 7:16:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By garandman:

Originally Posted By renotse:

Of course, I can't help but wonder why this new focus on Kerry's liberalism didn't start with the first debate. .



Its called a "set up."

Put out a credible if uninspired message. Get the opponent overconfident. Create low expecxtations in the audience.

Then WHAMMO!!!!!!!!!!

Believe it when you see it.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 7:21:15 AM EST
Love the cartoon! Hits em right where it's supposed to!!!

W 04

archer2
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 7:22:20 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 7:23:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By Carbine_Man:
Believe it when you see it.



I'm being optimistic.

But like Hiram Ranger said, Cheney nudged th ball rolling, which is all he wanted to do - and let "da Boss" play hammertime on Kerry.

Political Rule #1 - NEVER upstage da Boss.

Link Posted: 10/7/2004 7:26:06 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2004 7:28:35 AM EST by renotse]

Originally Posted By Carbine_Man:

John Kerry. The answer to the question you are afraid to ask.



This tagline is confusing..... a little too nuanced for me. What does it mean?
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 7:26:18 AM EST
The new 'PFA Voter Fund' ads around here are going after Kerry's record on defense...

The latest GW Bush ad running shows a lady driving in her car, listening to talk radio, and the host is talking about Kerry's voting record on taxes & the economy...

The 'defense' one still mixes 'voting record' with 'flip-flop', hammering Kerry on his 'One Consitant Postition' line...

But the 'tax' one is 100% record-based...

It's started allright...
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 7:31:37 AM EST
Let's hope....
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 7:33:56 AM EST

Originally Posted By renotse:

Originally Posted By Carbine_Man:

John Kerry. The answer to the question you are afraid to ask.



This tagline is confusing..... a little too nuanced for me. What does it mean?




I'll take Liberals for a thousand Alex...


"The worst possible person ( traitor, liar, POS) the Dems put up to run for election in 04"


"Who is John Effin' sKerry"?

Ding ding ding I have a winnah!
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 7:50:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
Cheney was firing for range, yesterday Bush began firing for effect.



Yeah, have you guys seen or heard yesterday's speech? HOME-RUN!!!

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=281558
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 9:58:35 AM EST
A great line Bush used yeaterday during a campaign stop was:

"My opponent is one of the only presidential candidates that has "I'll raise your taxes if elected" in his platform."



CMOS
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 10:24:09 AM EST
I guess I'm missing something. How will condemning Kerry's liberalism help Bush, when ~ 50% of the voting population embraces Kerry-style liberalism?
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 10:31:21 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 10:32:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By Moof:
I guess I'm missing something. How will condemning Kerry's liberalism help Bush, when ~ 50% of the voting population embraces Kerry-style liberalism?




What you're starting to see though, is that they DON'T embrase kerry style liberalism. People are beginning (and I stress beginning) to realize that all socialist programs promised since WWII are becoming a HUGE drain on the taxpayer, and that the money has to come from somewhere.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 10:35:46 AM EST
"Watson...the game's afoot!"...Sherlock Holmes by A. Conan Doyle

It is about time the gloves came off. Kerry is an awful candidate who is simply being propped up by the liberal media.

"Cry havoc...and let slip the dogs of war!"...Julius Caesar, Act III, Scene 1; The Bard
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 10:45:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:

A non-vote is almost as good as a switched vote.



Okay, that makes sense. Thanks.

(The same thing could be accomplished by pre-screening voters for mental illness, but somehow I don't think the Dems would stand for their largest voting block being disenfranchised. )
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 10:57:09 AM EST
Great MP3 sattire on Kerry's IRAQ & Saddam positions... a must listen to thsoe that haven't heard it yet.


Right click on link to save onto HD.
950kprc.com/JohnKerryCommercial.mp3
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 11:05:26 AM EST
I remember hearing stuff like this on the radio. They started blasting him on being the most liberal Senator in congress. All I can say is...

Go GOP!
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 11:35:40 AM EST
It's late to begin a campaign on Kerry's record. The first debate would have been the time to begin it, but the President let it go, and he failed to demonstrate his command of the issues.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 11:37:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2004 11:42:31 AM EST by monkeyman]

Originally Posted By Moof:
I guess I'm missing something. How will condemning Kerry's liberalism help Bush, when ~ 50% of the voting population embraces Kerry-style liberalism?



Exactly.

The liberal brush ain't gonna paint this time. No one cares. Bush has to justify why we are in Iraq, that's the issue. He can't just sit back and look indignant, he has to articulate it.

Also, I think you give the GOP too much credit. They ain't smart enough to come up with some master strategy, or subtrifuge to throw the dems off.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 11:38:34 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 11:46:35 AM EST
And the problem is that Bush is preaching to the choir when he should be trying to convert the undecided. That means he has to answer the question of why we are in Iraq instead of avoiding it. Iraq is a key issue to his leadership and credibility. He has to be able to explain why we are there. So far, neither he or Cheney is doing it.
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 12:01:47 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 12:03:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:

Originally Posted By Moof:
I guess I'm missing something. How will condemning Kerry's liberalism help Bush, when ~ 50% of the voting population embraces Kerry-style liberalism?



Because 50% doesn't. About 35% does. .



Exactly.

When Liberals are effectively exposed as liberals, they DO NOT win US elections.

Why do you think kerry is paiting himself as a fiscal conservative, and a neo-hawk on the Iraq war???

Liberals don't win US elections.

Link Posted: 10/7/2004 12:05:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2004 12:06:09 PM EST by The_Macallan]

Originally Posted By Greenhorn:

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
yesterday Bush began firing for effect.


Yeah, have you guys seen or heard yesterday's speech?


No.

And neither did 65,000,000 other people. But they DID see GWBush stammer, whine and wilt in the last debate.

Link Posted: 10/7/2004 12:10:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

And neither did 65,000,000 other people. But they DID see GWBush stammer, whine and wilt in the last debate.




Patience, grasshopper.

IF Bush does it again tomorrow, THEN feel free to degrade into full scale panic.





Link Posted: 10/7/2004 12:11:02 PM EST
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