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Posted: 12/20/2016 9:01:20 AM EST
Fellow deplorables, I've decided I want to get myself an AK in 7.62x39, just a standard AKM pattern nothing crazy.
What does Arf think of DDI AKs? If not them what others would you recommend?
Will also need a decent trash can to put it in so it doesn't contaminate my ARs.
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:02:40 AM EST
I really like the older Arsenals. Bulgarian made, forged receivers, Steyr chrome lined barrels. Built like a tank.
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:03:01 AM EST
Avoid all American AKs, including DDI (for now).
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:03:05 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/20/2016 9:08:40 AM EST by DeltaElite777]
Buy whatever you can find cheap and go have fun at the range.

They're all shit guns, no sense spending real money.
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:03:42 AM EST
Arsenal or build one.
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:06:46 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/20/2016 9:07:27 AM EST by Mr_Fenrir]
Don't buy anything that says IO on the side of it.

Buy a WASR-10 if you want something nicer buy from Arsenal.

I'm hoping they lift the trade sanctions on Izhmash and we can get cheap Saigs again.
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:08:03 AM EST
Not buying an Arsenal, too expensive.
WASRs alright? They can be had cheapish around me.
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:10:05 AM EST
Arsenal's are popular, expensive, and have a lot of quality control problems.

Find a nice Yugo M70B1. The are heavy, chromed, and a work horse.
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:11:53 AM EST
Buy an unmolested (no 922r BS) AK pistol such as a draco or an Zastava m92.
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:12:28 AM EST
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Originally Posted By nate_the_great:
Not buying an Arsenal, too expensive.
WASRs alright? They can be had cheapish around me.
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I'd buy with confidence, I've had one for ten years and its one of my favorite rifles, never had a problem.
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:12:32 AM EST
My WASR has been a pretty good gun. 5-6 thousand rounds with no malfunctions. 4moa off a ruck.

The prices now are cray cray
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:17:40 AM EST
Waste of money
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:23:48 AM EST
Do your homework on current US made AKs, many have cast trunnions and most all have sourced barrels.

If I was going to be a one and done AK owner I would look for the older imports like the chi-coms or older builds like those from Ohio Rapidfire or Arsenal. The Yugos are OK but I never really warmed to them.

If you don't mind going the brace route the CAI Romanian Draco is a 100% AK and as it's a pistol there are no 922r issues to deal with. It actually comes with a brace (effective but ugly) but I did a side folder brace because I already had most of the parts to do it.





Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:26:45 AM EST
make your own

Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:27:14 AM EST
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Waste of money
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Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:30:14 AM EST
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Originally Posted By 1srelluc:
Do your homework on current US made AKs, many have cast trunnions and most all have sourced barrels.

If I was going to be a one and done AK owner I would look for the older imports like the chi-coms or older builds like those from Ohio Rapidfire or Arsenal. The Yugos are OK but I never really warmed to them.

If you don't mind going the brace route the CAI Romanian Draco is a 100% AK and as it's a pistol there are no 922r issues to deal with. It actually comes with a brace (effective but ugly) but I did a side folder brace because I already had most of the parts to do it.

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QFT, best option out there IMO

Other than that, WASR, Yugo (OPAP preferred if you can find one), or Vepr (my pick if you're gonna get a full sized)
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:30:42 AM EST
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Originally Posted By nate_the_great:
Not buying an Arsenal, too expensive.
WASRs alright? They can be had cheapish around me.
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Go for the WASR.
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:30:58 AM EST
Not gonna lie, I still love my WASR.
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:31:58 AM EST
If you don't want to pay for an Arsenal, newer WASRs (post 2008 or so) are a great. Many old ones are fine too. Definitely try to check it out in person before buying.

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Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:
Buy whatever you can find cheap and go have fun at the range.

They're all shit guns, no sense spending real money.
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Lol.
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:38:06 AM EST
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That was a great build! Guy hammered the shovel flat and cut and bent the receiver out of it, then used the handle for the stock. With the heavy barrel, he actually ended up getting it to shoot around 2 moa IIRCC.
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:39:18 AM EST
Arsenal or VEPR. Or the Polish AKs that atlantic has.
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:40:01 AM EST
DO NOT BUY A RAS47

If you want traditional, get a WASR. Or an N PAP, either fixed or folding stock.

If you want to spend some money, get an Arsenal in your preferred flavor.
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:40:04 AM EST
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Originally Posted By CIE:
Not gonna lie, I still love my WASR.
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I had 10/63 underfolder and it ran just fine. No complaints at all.



Has PSA started making forged trunnion AKs yet? Their early (last year) offerings were cast but I read where they were going to make them with forged trunnions. I bought one of their barreled actions and threw .mil parts at it. It ran OK but once I found out that they used cast trunnions I unloaded it.
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:40:11 AM EST
romanians are decent but kinda crude i guess

hunarian/polish/yugo are more refined
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:40:29 AM EST
WASR-10's are good to go.
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:45:19 AM EST
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Originally Posted By WoWPro:
romanians are decent but kinda crude i guess

hunarian/polish/yugo are more refined
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I own many variations. My favorite because of ergnomics is my M92 SBR. Its heavy which reduces perceived recoil compared to a full size stamped receiver rifle. I do love my Bulgy AK74M though.
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:45:19 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Balista:
Arsenal's are popular, expensive, and have a lot of quality control problems.

Find a nice Yugo M70B1. The are heavy, chromed, and a work horse.
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Yugos with original barrels were not chrome lined.
They are great guns though. A blued AK beefed up to fire rifle grenades...what's not to love?
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:47:31 AM EST
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Originally Posted By raysheen:

Yugos with original barrels were not chrome lined.
They are great guns though. A blued AK beefed up to fire rifle grenades...what's not to love?
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I was talking about the bolt.

Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:48:04 AM EST
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I was talking about the bolt.
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Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:49:16 AM EST
If you can build one Apex has some good Yugo kits with barrels in stock. Both underfolder and fixed stock.
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:51:21 AM EST
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Older Chicom is the route I went.  Picked up a NIB double underfolder last year for my Birthday.  It has one of the best triggers I've ever felt in a rifle.  Highly recommend but they are not cheap.  If I get another one, I'd just build it myself.


Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:52:25 AM EST
Arsenal , Vper , Saiga if you can find one . Romanian Draco converted to rifle is great , have one and been running awesome .
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:57:24 AM EST
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Originally Posted By SGL_Shooter:
DO NOT BUY A RAS47

If you want traditional, get a WASR. Or an N PAP, either fixed or folding stock.

If you want to spend some money, get an Arsenal in your preferred flavor.
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I was considering a RAS at first until I started reading.
I was interested in DDI because of the CHF trunnion and what seemed like a good spec sheet, but the AKOU test didn't seem too great with the extractor problems.
I might got WASR to just get the classic look and something that at least has a decent track record.
The only thing I'll ever add to the AK in question will be a sling so I'm not looking to go full operator with it.
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 9:59:14 AM EST
The Palin version of AK are GTG.
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 10:13:12 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/20/2016 10:25:11 AM EST by waterglass]
Best from the top

Arsenal(Bulgaria)
MOLOT/VEPR(Russia)
FEG (Hungary)
RADOM(Poland)
Saiga(Russia)
ZASTAVA(Serbia)
MAADI(EGYPT)
ROMARM(Romania)

Another one to look into before buying an AK is the Vz-58 made by Cz.
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 10:16:16 AM EST
Originally Posted By nate_the_great:
Fellow deplorables, I've decided I want to get myself an AK in 7.62x39, just a standard AKM pattern nothing crazy.
What does Arf think of DDI AKs? If not them what others would you recommend?
Will also need a decent trash can to put it in so it doesn't contaminate my ARs.
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OP....why ask in GD when we have a whole section of the forum dedicated to AK ??
And have you done any research ?? Other than starting a thread ??

Clearly....OP is lazy, and can't seem to find the the best place to post the question he can easily answer himself with a little work on his part.




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Link Posted: 12/20/2016 10:19:00 AM EST
I have a forged reciever Arsenal and I have a WASR-10. They are both great rifles, but honestly I just like the WASR-10 a lot better. It has never failed me (not that the Arsenal has either), it is lighter and for some reason I just dig it a lot more than almost any other firearm I have. If it all went to hell tomorrow, I'd have the WASR with me.





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Originally Posted By Mr_Fenrir:
Don't buy anything that says IO on the side of it.

Buy a WASR-10 if you want something nicer buy from Arsenal.

I'm hoping they lift the trade sanctions on Izhmash and we can get cheap Saigs again.
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Link Posted: 12/20/2016 10:22:55 AM EST
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Originally Posted By 78JeepCJ:
OP....why ask in GD when we have a whole section of the forum dedicated to AK ??
And have you done any research ?? Other than starting a thread ??

Clearly....OP is lazy, and can't seem to find the the best place to post the question he can easily answer himself with a little work on his part..
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Research is for fags. Plus GD predicted the Trump victory I think they can help me pick a trash can gun.
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 10:28:21 AM EST
Before I decided to focus on ARs, I had a Hungarian SA-85M. Very nice.

Link Posted: 12/20/2016 10:30:36 AM EST
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Originally Posted By 78JeepCJ:
OP....why ask in GD when we have a whole section of the forum dedicated to AK ??
And have you done any research ?? Other than starting a thread ??

Clearly....OP is lazy, and can't seem to find the the best place to post the question he can easily answer himself with a little work on his part..
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General discussion means general discussion.
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 10:32:02 AM EST
Bulgarian SLR 95. Mine shoots great
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 10:34:28 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/20/2016 10:37:12 AM EST by Vik]
Based on AK4774 Operators Union and their torture tests, and my own experience, I would recommend in no particular order:

Arsenal
Wasr
Chinese Ak's
Palmetto States AK (if you want American)
Molot/Vepr
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 10:35:31 AM EST
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Originally Posted By 78JeepCJ:
OP....why ask in GD when we have a whole section of the forum dedicated to AK ??
And have you done any research ?? Other than starting a thread ??

Clearly....OP is lazy, and can't seem to find the the best place to post the question he can easily answer himself with a little work on his part..
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Yeah; God forbid that someone actually bring a bona-fide firearms discussion to this firearms board general discussion thing.
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 10:47:42 AM EST
If you just want an AK style in 7.62x39, consider a VZ 58. Awesome guns.

VEPR is heavy but great quality and decently priced.

Best value would be a yugo M92 PAP pistol and SBRing it. Should still be $1k or less after stamp, stock, and a few 922r parts.

Arsenal is good, but pricy. IMO they are not worth the premium over the other options I mentioned.
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 10:51:37 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/20/2016 10:52:31 AM EST by waterglass]
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Originally Posted By governmentman:
If you just want an AK style in 7.62x39, consider a VZ 58. Awesome guns.

VEPR is heavy but great quality and decently priced.

Best value would be a yugo M92 PAP pistol and SBRing it. Should still be $1k or less after stamp, stock, and a few 922r parts.

Arsenal is good, but pricy. IMO they are not worth the premium over the other options I mentioned.
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Best compromise between price and quality right now is probably FEG or Zastava stuff.

I'd go with FEG.

But I had the chance to shoot a Vz-58, and I liked it a lot.
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 10:58:21 AM EST
Both my
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Have been fun range toys.
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 11:01:54 AM EST
I would avoid all AK's that have formed steel receivers, maybe go for something with forged aluminum receivers. Also if you can find one with a DI gas system, that's what you want, preferrably chambered in 5.56x45. Free floating barrels have been a nice improvement, and something with a top rail so you can mount a nice optic.

That's the AK you should buy.
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 11:04:38 AM EST
I have the Romanian SAR-1 (pre WASR) which is not sophisticated, but pure & simple like Kalashnikov AK was meant to be... Ugly, but it always works great with never a fumble or choke...

I have two Saiga full conversions (one 7.62 & one 5.56) and they are all you would expect of Russian AKs made on the same factory as their .Mil guns... VERY well made...

As others have said, stay away from the USA AK (at least for now... )
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 11:11:21 AM EST
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Yeah; God forbid that someone actually bring a bona-fide firearms discussion to this firearms board general discussion thing.
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Yeah; God forbid someone actually posts a bona-fide topic in the section created for the exact topic under discussion....rather than posting in GD.




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Link Posted: 12/20/2016 11:14:38 AM EST
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Yeah; God forbid someone actually posts a bona-fide topic in the section created for the exact topic under discussion....rather than posting in GD..
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Originally Posted By America-first:



Yeah; God forbid that someone actually bring a bona-fide firearms discussion to this firearms board general discussion thing.


Yeah; God forbid someone actually posts a bona-fide topic in the section created for the exact topic under discussion....rather than posting in GD..

Shut up freeloader.
Link Posted: 12/20/2016 11:14:42 AM EST
Arsenal
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