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Posted: 8/24/2005 5:04:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/24/2005 5:05:54 PM EDT by NAKED-GUNMAN]
This is long NG story, so hang on.

My 10 yr. old daughter who is in fifth grade, came into my office (monday) and asked if I had any papers/labels/books with french words written on them. I said I'll look, I ask her whats it for, she says her teacher wants it for language class. I guess it's sort of a scavenger hunt for words in French to show that they exist in our society..I dunno. I started to look, then I though about it, hehe, I've got something to give your teacher. Her teacher is a man that I have known for a few years, he's been a part of some the Republican comittee meetings and I know his political slant and have been in some golf tourneys with him. Good guy. So I thought, I'll do something that would be funny for him.

I find a white hankerchief and write the words (French national flag) on it, surrender you know I thought Mr. 5th grade teacher friend would get a laugh, then on her paper which had various questions on it, it said French nicknames so again, I write something funny, (cheese-eating surrender monkeys) Along with all the other items she had found, I thought Mr. 5th grade friend teacher would laugh his ass of at this, and probably tell her he said hey, hey to me.

Well, I get a call from her teacher (yesterday) and he said "Naked, you may not know this but your daughter's LANGUAGE TEACHERA just told me he is offended at something you did for (daughters name) french project. Oh chitt!

She has a language class that has various teachers that come in that teach the class who are from the native languages..i.e. She has Russian, Chinese, Spanish and French language teachers who rotate through the schools. I DID NOT KNOW THIS!!

Mr. 5th grade friend teacher tells me Mr. Le Blanc "lets call him that" was offended and wanted an apology from me. He then tells me it was funny as hell because he was actually in the class when my daughter came up and presented the flag...Mr. Le Blanc turned red, then as she went through the list, surrender monkeys was like number 3. He stops her, the class broke out in laughter, and he asked "who told you that?" She said my Dad, He got furious and asked her to please sitdown. Pulled the 5th grade teacher outside and told him he was outraged at this presentation. Mr. 5th grade then tells him he is sure it was only a joke and that I probably did'nt know that my daughter was going to go before the class with her findings.

Mr. Le Blanc goes inside the class room and in front of the class, tells her that her father is a extreme American nationalist and I (me) should be ashamed of myself for being so barbaric...daughter wells up in tears, he does nothing to comfort her or try to smooth over his harsh words in front of her classmates.

Mr. 5th grade then tells Mr. French assboil that he is out of line for that comment while they were back out in the hallway..Mr. French assboil says he wants me to meet with him and apologize for the flag/nickname stunt. Mr. 5th grade tells him to go apologize to my daughter, he says he will after he talks to me. Mr. 5th grade friend says no, you do it now or we going to the Principal..nevermind, we are going to prinicple right now. I happen to know the Principal also, who listen to the events..told him to go apologize to my daugher or he would not be needed as a french language teacher anymore. She (Principle) says it was obviously a joke that was not thought out well, or was accidental. Mr. French assboil, dickhead goes to my daughter in the hallway, tells her he is sorry for upsetting her, he was senstive about his country..but I had no right to do what I did.

Today, I call him.

I said there is no reason to meet me, because I am sure that my actions will lead to a 911 call and him ending up in a hospital. I am pissed for the way he treated my daughter in front of the class. As the first words that came out of mouth were, no one treats my daughter that way, no one. there is no reason for an adult to lose his cool over something trivial. He interrupts me and precedes to tell me some stupid story about him being villified constantly for being french.

I said that is no excuse for treating a 10 yr. old girl like a leper and embarrassing her for something she did not do..if you have something to say, be a man and say to the one who did it. I said that is a cowardly thing you did and there is no excuse for your actions, I do not want my daughter in your class ever again. And if you so much as sneer at her in the hallway, I will come down immediately and stomp your surrender monkey ass all the way back to France. Are we clear?

No Mr. Naked, it is you that have a hostility problem blah, blah...I said to him, look save your breath. You probably would have received an apology if not for what said to my daughter in front of her friends. You showed exactly what I knew all along about french people, you are overly sensitive about what people think about your country. When push comes to shove and the pressure is on, you act like cowards and pick on little girls instead of men. (I know it sounds corny but it sounded cool at the time. I am mad.)


As it is, I do not want to meet you nor see you, what you have done is much worse than what I did, which was not intended for you. From here on out, it is. You said I had a problem with french people? No I don't. French people, are not my friends, they are'nt my neighbors I do not know any french people besides you. And from what I have seen, it is exactly why Americans can't stand you. You called me barbaric in front of my daughter? I called you a cowardly asshole when she was in front of me.

He then said Mr. Naked, you have a problem with french people..blah, blah.

Then hangs up.

5th grade teacher calls me this afternoon and says Frenchie is scared for his life and wants to call the cops for me threatening him. Frenchie is'nt an American, he travels back and forth to teach. So, Mr 5th grade tells him he does'nt think that will bode well for him to file a complaint with the actions that he took against my daughter..in America, it is considered assault if you verbally abuse a child. (he did'nt know if thats true, but sounded right) and you are french, don't know if the police are going to be to sympathetic to you.

Frenchie re-thinks...goes to the class room and apologizes to my daughter in front of the class, spent an enormant amount of time talking about tensions between nations and how sensitive he is. He said had talked to me and apologized (liar). Whatever. He sends me an e-mail apologizing this afternoon and asks if it is ok to teach the french langauge class to my daughter? Apparently the Principal gave him an ultimatum also...she called me this afternoon and says she was sorry for his outburst. I told her I was sorry for the joke that was intended for Mr. 5th grade not French assboil...she said she knew that and that was'nt a problem. He over-reacted and you cannot treat this children like dogs at her school. Nice lady.

Sooooo, should I allow my daughter to be in Frenchie's class? Or tell her to go into another langauge class dring the time?

My wife says it's my decision...so I thought I'd ask the collective braintrust here.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 5:15:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/24/2005 5:17:00 PM EDT by justinwb]
Wow good read thanks for sharing......Sounds like the French guy manned up and eventually did the right thing I think he learned a valuable lesson I would probably leave my child in the class because he owned up to the mistake he made as long as he dosent pull something like that again I thank your good to go.

ETA: It also sounds like the principal is really on your side so I wouldnt be worried sounds like she has a no B.S. Stance with that kind of crap.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 5:19:17 PM EDT
Let her stay in the class. Frenchie will be watching over his shoulder constantly and wouldn't dare do anything again. Plus it will be good for her to see grown ups have a disagreement and then be able to move beyond that.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 5:20:21 PM EDT
Ask your daughter what she wants to do.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 5:22:12 PM EDT
Tough one.
I think though that letting your daughter stay in the class will show your family in a good light.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 5:23:19 PM EDT
BAN THE FRENCH! Do it for the children!
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 5:23:47 PM EDT
So, sending her to school with pictures of the US military graveyards in France (WW1, WW2), would be bad?

How about pictures of Chirac and his buddy Saddam?

How about the made in France missiles found in Iraq?



Seriously, teacher's from France can have some strange attitudes towards their students. I had a grade 10 french teacher (from France), and while she was pretty cool (and her daughter was gorgeous), she often talked about the weird things that went on back in France.

I would say no, and explain to the principal why. Or, insist that several parents be present for the class.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 5:25:18 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 5:27:25 PM EDT
Let her stay, and tell her to report any b.s. asap.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 5:28:12 PM EDT
Yes let her go to class.

You did wrong and he did wrong. That is not something to do with your daughters homework and put yourself in frenchies shoes.

You are teaching english in France and a French kid brings in a American flag with a Swastika on it and a list of American insults in French. You might fly off the handle too.

Tempers were raised and it's out in the open now. It's done and overwith. If there are anymore issues with you and frenchie than you guys can discuss it. Let the lil girl be a kid.

And I think the French are mostly pansys too, I have brought up the discussion a couple of times about what the hell happened to the French. They were tough for a while Napolean, helping us out during the American Revolution, and in World War I. Now they are wusses.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 5:30:24 PM EDT
Let her stay as to keep with the rest of her friends.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 5:31:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lord_Grey_Boots:
So, sending her to school with pictures of the US military graveyards in France (WW1, WW2), would be bad?

How about pictures of Chirac and his buddy Saddam?

How about the made in France missiles found in Iraq?



Seriously, teacher's from France can have some strange attitudes towards their students. I had a grade 10 french teacher (from France), and while she was pretty cool (and her daughter was gorgeous), she often talked about the weird things that went on back in France.

I would say no, and explain to the principal why. Or, insist that several parents be present for the class.



My French teacher in high school was the wife of a South Vietnamese general that got out of Vietnam during the fall of Saigon.

She was a nice lady, a good teacher, and no eurotrash socialist attitude. She had seen real socialists.

I didn't learn much french. I was too interested in the girls.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 5:40:38 PM EDT
Screw froggy , go to an American Language class. He would teach wacko stuff the way he sounds.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 5:42:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/24/2005 5:44:16 PM EDT by NAKED-GUNMAN]
Yepper, thats what I am thinking, her staying. She wants to stay in the class with her friends. I told her never be ashamed of me or her, we played a joke and he acted like an idiot. She's not damaged but she is gun shy I am sure. She told her friends that I would probably kick Frenchie's butt if he ever said another thing to her again. True. She's not a wuss by any stretch either, she is an only child that goes to the range with me and is a daddy's girl...sooo, you know.

I will not be friends with him becuase of what 5th grade teacher told me was like with other teachers...he constantly talks about how great France is, and how much better their political system is. One of the teachers asked him what was he doing here then?

Anyway..I think it is better for her to be there and learn to overcome trouble from where ever it comes. Tough little chick too...she fell off her bike this summer and cut the hell out of her knee...blood everywhere and she put the peroxide, neosporin and bandage by herself.

I am still pissed...effing French. Figures he'd react that way. It's not a Nazi flag and it was'nt intended towards him. He's an idiot and a coward to scold a 10 year old girl like that. No excuse.

I guess I'll let her go...should'nt be anymore problems. 5th grade teacher is keeping the "flag", he thinks it's funny as hell.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 5:43:38 PM EDT

He does not belong in a U.S. classroom. File charges and have him removed from the country if that's what it takes.

What you did was a joke. What he did was attack a child. There is no comparison.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 6:02:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tc6969:

Sooooo, should I allow my daughter to be in Frenchie's class? Or tell her to go into another langauge class dring the time?


Aw Cuntrare! (That means I beg to differ in french)

Your little darling should be perched right down in front where frenchy can see her and reflect on his mistake!



Do you mean Au Contraire? I had two years of French, and that just doesn't look right.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 6:13:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NAKED-GUNMAN:
Mr. Le Blanc goes inside the class room and in front of the class, tells her that her father is a extreme American nationalist and I (me) should be ashamed of myself for being so barbaric...daughter wells up in tears, he does nothing to comfort her or try to smooth over his harsh words in front of her classmates.




And I think you're a great guy after reading this, classy, and with clarity of judgement that others should strive towards. As to what to do know, I'd let the water run under the bridge since you've got the best of him.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 6:19:10 PM EDT
Naked thats a great story. I hope you daughter appreciates it when she is old enough to really understand what went on. As you pointed out when you presented him with the facts he surrendered!
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 6:25:09 PM EDT
One thing to consider is this;

Can all three of you (the french teacher, your daughter, and your self) put this incident behind in the past and forget about it? Because, sooner or later, you will probably be meeting this teacher at Parent/Teacher meetings if this guy teaches your daughter.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 6:35:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Gaelic_Warrior:
One thing to consider is this;

Can all three of you (the french teacher, your daughter, and your self) put this incident behind in the past and forget about it? Because, sooner or later, you will probably be meeting this teacher at Parent/Teacher meetings if this guy teaches your daughter.



Actually, they are in a rotation, once a week she'll do french for 6 weeks. She probably won't see him in a class situation after the 6 weeks is over. 5th grade teacher says he was bumbling his words and was in fear for his life after this morning. I guess he has a great story to tell his friends and colleagues back in France...which is fine with me. I am glad they know how we feel about them not backing us up in Iraq.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 6:47:21 PM EDT
Sounds like your daughter will get an "A" in French.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 7:11:52 PM EDT
let her stay in the class, if it were me I would even go so far as to contact him and thank him for apologizing to my daughter and tell him that you are sorry if you offended him. Not that I think you did wrong, I think you handled the situation very well. It was pretty funny too. But at the same time I would feel kind of bad if the guy was afraid you were going to hurt him now, obviously I wouldn't have felt bad for him if he hadn't apologized to your daughter. He realized his error and did the right thing, so even though I wouldn't say you have any obligation to be nice to him or thank him or even say you are sorry for the misunderstanding, etc. I think you would be a good person for doing so.

as for the people who are still pissed at him, believe me the french piss me off too. I lived in Europe as a kid because I was an air force brat and a lot of the french people were assholes. I also obviously have some serious problems with the policies and attitudes of the french government. However, our government also sometimes does things that we don't necessarily agree with but I don't think it would be right for people in another country to give us a hard time for shit that our government does (obviously only to a certain extent, if we were ruled by hitler or attacking other nations without cause we would have an obligation to resist). Not that there was anything wrong at all with your jokes, that shit was funny, I am just saying that it would be wrong for us to automatically have something against someone just because they were born in France. That doesn't apply to what you did here, but only in response to some of the responses.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 7:28:51 PM EDT
Naked_Gunman - thank you for a wonderful story. The Frogman did wrong in venting on your daughter like that. I'm glad your friend the 5th Grade Teacher and the Principal stood up for her and that you stood your ground like a man. The Frogman responded like a frogman would. He cowered, tucked his tail between his legs, and whimpered like a whipped dog. That's a priceless lesson for that classroom of kids. I'd let her stay.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 7:35:51 PM EDT
After reading the other responses, I change my vote, she should stay in the class. Lesson for her, some teachers are jerks, don't stand for it...
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 7:47:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By EternalVigilance:
let her stay in the class, if it were me I would even go so far as to contact him and thank him for apologizing to my daughter and tell him that you are sorry if you offended him. Not that I think you did wrong, I think you handled the situation very well. It was pretty funny too. But at the same time I would feel kind of bad if the guy was afraid you were going to hurt him now, obviously I wouldn't have felt bad for him if he hadn't apologized to your daughter. He realized his error and did the right thing, so even though I wouldn't say you have any obligation to be nice to him or thank him or even say you are sorry for the misunderstanding, etc. I think you would be a good person for doing so.

as for the people who are still pissed at him, believe me the french piss me off too. I lived in Europe as a kid because I was an air force brat and a lot of the french people were assholes. I also obviously have some serious problems with the policies and attitudes of the french government. However, our government also sometimes does things that we don't necessarily agree with but I don't think it would be right for people in another country to give us a hard time for shit that our government does (obviously only to a certain extent, if we were ruled by hitler or attacking other nations without cause we would have an obligation to resist). Not that there was anything wrong at all with your jokes, that shit was funny, I am just saying that it would be wrong for us to automatically have something against someone just because they were born in France. That doesn't apply to what you did here, but only in response to some of the responses.



Which is probably what I would normally do if you knew me. I do not like making enemies, I'd rather make friends with those who call me their enemy..but he crossed the line. My daughter. You will get killed over my daughter and thats no joke. I don't see a situation where I would do anything else more than what I have said on a phone. If he were to start acting mean and treated my daughter with repulse in the future then I might have to meet him face to face. But I'd rather be the "win hearts and mind" American than what they think we are.

If he were having trouble with his car in the parking lot, I'd probably offer assistance to show that I am not what he thinks...something along those lines. But, I'm not going to call him or make contact. Not now.
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