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Posted: 9/18/2004 3:10:24 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2004 3:10:50 PM EST by SteyrAUG]
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 3:12:15 PM EST
As I always say, there are idiots on both sides of the counter.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 3:17:16 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2004 3:18:16 PM EST by nightstalker]
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[Last Edit: 9/18/2004 3:27:32 PM EST by nchapa]
I didn't know Colt had a bushmaster model. Damn you get the best of both worlds. snake on one side pony on the other

I wouldn't have belived you unless I experienced it my self. my favorite though was this guy I work with he told me he had put a full auto bushy on layaway for the end of the ban, well on the day the ban ended he picked it up and returned it the next day cause it was only firing 1 rd at a time and he thought it was broken
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 3:23:45 PM EST
I know what you mean.

I told the counter guy at Big 5 I wanted to buy a "Machine gun" since the ban was lifted.

He said they did not have any YET.

But I could get one at the gun store down the street.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 3:24:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2004 3:27:40 PM EST by SorryOciffer]
Quick!!! Someone selnd this over to REAlpolice.net!



S.O.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 3:25:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
We sent a general email out to all the officers of local departments advising them that LE "restricted" AR15 rifles can now be purchased without a department letterhead.

It is somewhat amazing the misconceptions some LEO have regarding their "special" status.

I have had no shortage of guys who wished to purchase select fire weapons now that they are legal and most inquiries want to know how to obtain their very own HK MP5 or UMP. Many wanted that brand new HK G36 rifle.

Some want to know how far below my "dealer price" is the LEO price. One wondered about "volume pricing" on a single rifle purchase, he felt he should be eligible because other LE officers were sure to be buying rifles as well.

Had more than one request for the Colt "Bushmaster" model.

Many special requests for Colt rifles in .45 and .308, one guy asked me if I was getting the Colt .50s he saw on the internet.

One guy wanted to know if I could get the special version Colt makes for Navy SEALs which will fire underwater (I'm not making this up I swear).

One guy wanted the Colt rifle that fires AK47 and M16 bullets.

One guy after being told we only had complete rifles available, wanted to know if I could sell him the upper one day and the lower the next and if that would save him on the cost of a factory complete rifle.

Had one guy who asked me if I'd be willing to sell him a Colt LE rifle later when the prices got down to around $500 (he was sure they would in the immediate future due to the sunset) and I told him I'd call him the day prices got that low.

Some were very hesitant to provide a copy of their ID to qualify for LE pricing because they were concerned their CLEO would find out, BUT they wanted to to make sure they got the LE discount.

And I swear I am gonna charge these guys $10 extra everytime they call a magazine a CLIP.

And the best one (at least to me) was the guy who informed me that he probably wouldn't need to do a background check for the purchase of his rifle because he did one last year when he bought a gun and it should still be good.

Thankfully "most" of the guys were better informed and pretty decent to work with. They almost make the other guys tolerable.



To be fair most cops are younger guys in their mid-20's who don't know a whole hell of alot about guns. There are idiots in every profession.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 3:26:51 PM EST
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Link Posted: 9/18/2004 3:27:21 PM EST
that had to be the funniest shit I have ever read
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 3:31:28 PM EST

That's what I do with my idiots, refer them to the store up the street. I swear the store up the street has everything.

Where do you thing your idiots are coming from? How does your own medicine taste?
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 3:31:36 PM EST
sad and funny at the same time...
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 3:33:51 PM EST
my father-in-law asked me last night

Are you going to get a machine gun now that that ban thing is gone?

I said SURE - Can you loan me $20,000 and vouch for me with the BATF.

dooooooooooooh hinking.gif

Link Posted: 9/18/2004 3:34:47 PM EST
And yet there are many Americans who think that ONLY the cops and .mil should have access to guns.

Link Posted: 9/18/2004 3:36:42 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2004 3:40:11 PM EST by SteyrAUG]
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 3:36:46 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 3:40:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2004 3:40:56 PM EST by brushdog]
To be fair, most cops don't get taught how to shop for a gun at the po-po academy. Think about the first time you walked into a gunshop. I'm sure you wondered if that wicked looking black rifle fired like that movie you just saw. But thankfully you probably ran into a gun dealer who didn't have an elitist attitude and who took pride in his profession to explain to you what you needed to do without being condescending.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 3:40:34 PM EST
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[Last Edit: 9/18/2004 3:46:15 PM EST by SteyrAUG]
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 3:44:33 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 3:47:06 PM EST

I actually asked SinistralRifleman if he could put a telestock on a CAV15. I figgered he could just hack off half of the integrated grip/buttstock and "somehow" afix one.

Link Posted: 9/18/2004 3:48:39 PM EST
Do you sell the model that shoots bullets, but is also a squirt gun so my kids can play with it?
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 4:00:24 PM EST
Cops arent neccesarily gun people...gotta remember, we are a dying, rare breed. We know the ins and outs of the weapons we love as though our lives depend on it (because most of us fall asleep every night knowing they do)

Cops are supposed to know cop stuff...that doesnt mean by default they know every variant of firearm out there. Granted, it kinda sucks that they cant appropriately enforce the laws regarding "special" rifles...but lets all be honest...seriously...how often do serious gun people get into run ins with the police? I carry pretty much every day....I take my beloved black rifle all over the state (and this is a big state)...I always hike with it..and I have hiked the rockies for many years carrying openly in and around towns....and I have yet to have a cop ask me boo.

Im no cop...and after living most of my life in the PRNJ, Im not going to say they are all great guys because a lot of them were assholes...but IMHO...if you are cool with them, calmly educate them about the law regarding what we shoot....and maybe let them take a few shots...everything turns out ok at the end of the day.

YMMV
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 4:02:41 PM EST

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
It's only a matter of time until someone gets arrested for posession of an LEO-marked rifle with LEO magazines, and the rifle is in AW configuration. Some cop will be smart enough to know that he couldn't have that as described during the ban, but won't know that it's no longer true as of now.

It will happen and the victim will win his civil suit against the officer and the department.


CJ



If it didn't happen in the last 10 years, it's not going to happen now. Turns out the only ones that gave a shit about the laws were us.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 4:04:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By Airwolf:
And yet there are many Americans who think that ONLY the cops and .mil should have access to guns.




A BIG +1
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 4:04:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By JoeWang:
To be fair most cops are younger guys in their mid-20's who don't know a whole hell of alot about guns. There are idiots in every profession.



That explains it!.........It's ok for Cops to be idiots because there are so many OTHER idiots out there.
h.gif
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 4:12:23 PM EST

Originally Posted By alloy6061:

Originally Posted By JoeWang:
To be fair most cops are younger guys in their mid-20's who don't know a whole hell of alot about guns. There are idiots in every profession.



That explains it!.........It's ok for Cops to be idiots because there are so many OTHER idiots out there.



Not knowing about guns doesn't automatically make you an idiot, it makes you ignorant. I wouldn't expect a trooper to know how to rebuild the engine in his cruiser, either.

Welcome aboard.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 4:15:33 PM EST
SteyrAUG...tell them to go to the post office and buy a Full Auto Tax Stamp...and they'll be set!

There is no frickin' way that I would sell a weapon to someone so stupid!
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 4:21:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By treelander:
SteyrAUG...tell them to go to the post office and buy a Full Auto Tax Stamp...and they'll be set!

There is no frickin' way that I would sell a weapon to someone so stupid!



That is so wrong
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 4:38:52 PM EST
Damn that list of Idiots is scary.

I see a serious business opportunity for the first entrepeneur that gets his shit together and sells the idea of a Firearms 101, 201, 301 Training Syllabus to a large Police Department. Boy they sure do need it.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 4:42:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By rayra:
Damn that list of Idiots is scary.

I see a serious business opportunity for the first entrepeneur that gets his shit together and sells the idea of a Firearms 101, 201, 301 Training Syllabus to a large Police Department. Boy they sure do need it.


They already get basic firearms knowledge that they need to do their daily job while in their basic school. The kind of information you mention will be acquired by those who have an interest in the subject matter. None of you were knowledgible when you first started looking into ARs, I am sure!
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 4:46:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:
I actually asked SinistralRifleman if he could put a telestock on a CAV15. I figgered he could just hack off half of the integrated grip/buttstock and "somehow" afix one.




And if anyone could do it, Shawn and Russ could.
If it even has the chance of being tactical they will try !!
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 7:56:49 PM EST
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Link Posted: 9/18/2004 8:10:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
It's only a matter of time until someone gets arrested for posession of an LEO-marked rifle with LEO magazines, and the rifle is in AW configuration. Some cop will be smart enough to know that he couldn't have that as described during the ban, but won't know that it's no longer true as of now.

It will happen and the victim will win his civil suit against the officer and the department.


CJ




Im sure if you explained to the cop he would probably lose his job over this he might understand
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 8:15:51 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2004 9:03:57 PM EST by RAMBOSKY]

Originally posted by SteyrAUG: "...............Had more than one request for the Colt "Bushmaster" model."



This could save a lot of arguments about Colt vs Bushmaster.......which is better.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 8:15:58 PM EST

Originally Posted By tcsd1236:

Originally Posted By rayra:
Damn that list of Idiots is scary.

I see a serious business opportunity for the first entrepeneur that gets his shit together and sells the idea of a Firearms 101, 201, 301 Training Syllabus to a large Police Department. Boy they sure do need it.


They already get basic firearms knowledge that they need to do their daily job while in their basic school. The kind of information you mention will be acquired by those who have an interest in the subject matter. None of you were knowledgible when you first started looking into ARs, I am sure!

Nonsense. They all need training far and beyond 'you press here and the bullet comes out this end', not to mention MARKSMANSHIP.
Your point fails utterly in that these officers are REQUIRED to enforce The Law. AND their daily duties can / may / will put them in contact with all manner of firearms - their ability to recognize, deal with, understand the technical aspects of the weapons they handle, AND THE LAWS THAT APPLY TO THEM is sorely lacking. and ABSOLUTELY should NOT be left to the random chance of 'individual interest'.

Your knee-jerk defense of LEOs reads as if you didn't even notice the list of IGNORANCE in the first post.
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 8:18:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By HABU:

That's what I do with my idiots, refer them to the store up the street. I swear the store up the street has everything.

Where do you thing your idiots are coming from? How does your own medicine taste?




I know for a fact my idiots are mostly coming from Broward Sheriff's Office.


If you had R-E-A-D my post you would know they were resonding to a general email and not a referral.

But somehow I know this is all Ken Jennes fault.






I thought it was all W's fault!

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 8:36:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By HABU:

That's what I do with my idiots, refer them to the store up the street. I swear the store up the street has everything.

Where do you thing your idiots are coming from? How does your own medicine taste?




I know for a fact my idiots are mostly coming from Broward Sheriff's Office.


(snip)



When I first read your initial post I thought, "These are things I have heard from Massachusetts cops." When it comes to gun lore they have the Urban Legends dept. covered here. In this state, you can call up four different police depts. and get four wholly different interpretations of our gun laws....."ahhhh...guns? whaddyaneed them fa? Just dial 911. " [hangs up phone]
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 8:42:27 PM EST
Cops huh.....


No comment


SGatr15
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 9:07:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2004 9:08:25 PM EST by sniper1az]
And we pay fucks like these to protect us???


Thats why WE HAVE GUNS!!!!!

Hell, my kid at 15 knew more about AR's than those fools!





Link Posted: 9/19/2004 1:40:50 AM EST

Originally Posted By rayra:
Nonsense. They all need training far and beyond 'you press here and the bullet comes out this end', not to mention MARKSMANSHIP.
Your point fails utterly in that these officers are REQUIRED to enforce The Law. AND their daily duties can / may / will put them in contact with all manner of firearms - their ability to recognize, deal with, understand the technical aspects of the weapons they handle, AND THE LAWS THAT APPLY TO THEM is sorely lacking. and ABSOLUTELY should NOT be left to the random chance of 'individual interest'.

Your knee-jerk defense of LEOs reads as if you didn't even notice the list of IGNORANCE in the first post.


Marksmanship is already part of their basic firearms training. There are too many types of firearms out there for them to be intimately familiar with EVERY make and model of firearm. They learn the basic types: semi, wheelgun, single shot, long gun, etc. There are too many variations within those basic types for them to know EVERY firearm.
As for the law that applies to them, we have a lot of laws that we enforce daily. There are too many laws to know every law absolutely; thats why we carry reference material and develop a knowledge of who is a subject matter expert in a given area that we can turn to for information.

My defense is far from "knee jerk"; it is based on reality and a knowledge of how things really work, instead of how they "oughtta work" on soemones mind.
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 4:35:46 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2004 4:48:38 AM EST by A_Free_Man]
Your point fails utterly in that these officers are REQUIRED to enforce The Law.

Yes, and something as huge as the expiration of the AWB they should be briefed on, as LEO's are on most new laws they are likely to have to enforce.

On the other hand, I now have in my hot little hands eight brand new LEO/MIL/EXPORT stamped mags from DPMS. Date stamped 2-04. I intend to use these for range mags--at the Sheriff's range. No, I am not a LEO, I just get to use the range.

In the last 10 years the ONLY time I have drawn an attention at the range was by the range officer who was drooling to shoot one of my AR's, and the next time I saw him, he told me he had bought one just like it... huge smile on his face... and thanked me for letting him shoot mine. Oh, one other time, I was with my shooting buddy, a deputy from another department, he was firing FA (with his department owned G36). An officer wandered over to see who we were, very cool, hung back, just concerned. When he saw the huge DARE logo plastered on the side of my friend's unit, he turned around and went back to the pistol range. Doing his job.

But as far as AWB stuff, not one gave a damn in 10 years. And most all I have talked to, not one would have arrested a citizen for an AWB violation alone. They just didn't care, knew it was a BS law.

At least that is how it is where I live. Your milage may vary.

I want a LEO marked lower.

Speaking of stupidity, I asked my LEO friends and aquaintences, "All these police chiefs warning of machine guns on the streets now that the AWB is over, are they really that misinformed, or stupid, that they think the AWB was about machine guns?"

The answer I got was, no, they know exactly what the AWB was all about, it is purely political, the "party line". They are using their little bully pulpits to scare soccer moms. Ignorance, or stupidity, I can almost understand and forgive. Lying really pisses me off.
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 4:51:59 AM EST

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
It's only a matter of time until someone gets arrested for posession of an LEO-marked rifle with LEO magazines, and the rifle is in AW configuration. Some cop will be smart enough to know that he couldn't have that as described during the ban, but won't know that it's no longer true as of now.

It will happen and the victim will win his civil suit against the officer and the department.


CJ



I can't wait. I have a case of microwave popcorn ready for that to happen. Because it will and I will be rotflmao
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 4:55:27 AM EST
"IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NO EXCUSE!"

No wait...that only applies to "civilians", doesn't it? LEOs...they're exempt, right? Aren't they?
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 4:55:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By tcsd1236:

Originally Posted By rayra:
Damn that list of Idiots is scary.

I see a serious business opportunity for the first entrepeneur that gets his shit together and sells the idea of a Firearms 101, 201, 301 Training Syllabus to a large Police Department. Boy they sure do need it.


They already get basic firearms knowledge that they need to do their daily job while in their basic school. The kind of information you mention will be acquired by those who have an interest in the subject matter. None of you were knowledgible when you first started looking into ARs, I am sure!




I don't always agree with tcsd but he is right today.



Steyr Aug, take from me as a LEO, some of the stupid comments you've recited don't even scratch the surface!
It seems that the young cops from the larger agencies are the worst. Theres about 3,000 sworn on my department, and the young ones by and large seem to know nothing about guns.
I've explained the AWB to several, and the benefits of it sunsetting. You can almost see their eyes glaze over until I get to the part where I mention that they no longer need department letterhead to buy mags for their personal weapons, and they're no longer going to be taken advantage of by the local "police supply stores." Oh well, what can you say?
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 4:58:24 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 5:13:41 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2004 5:15:43 AM EST by lippo]

Originally Posted By Dru:
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+1

HOLY CRAP!

Do these cops work for Reno 911?
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 6:09:56 AM EST

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

One guy wanted to know if I could get the special version Colt makes for Navy SEALs which will fire underwater (I'm not making this up I swear).




Actually, such a thing exsits but not in AR form. It resembles best a pepperbox of olden times & fired single shots thru a rubber diaphragm IIRC. Projectiles were finned rather than standard so I really discounted the device as a "real" gun. YMMYV.
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 7:14:59 AM EST

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
And I swear I am gonna charge these guys $10 extra everytime they call a magazine a CLIP.



You know ... I held and shot a firearm for the first time in my life less than a month ago, and that even made me laugh.
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