Since this is now in GD, the limitation requiring AR rifles no longer applies!! ANY AND ALL rifles are welcome to be used.  Follow the rules and post your results!

Remington 700's, Winchester 70's, AK's, FAL's, Garands, K98k's, Springfields, Enfields, H&R Handi-Rifles, Mosin-Nagants...WHATEVER!  Challenge is open to all rifles types!

********************************************­*********************************************­***************

Well, it's archived here below,

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/619213__OFFICIAL_ARFCOM_AR_NON_MOA__SHTF__CHALLENGE__.html

Follow the rules and I'll post your entry up.

RULES:

1}  EFFECTIVE 05/01/15 ANY AND ALL RIFLES OF ANY CALIBER ALLOWED:

2} Standard “ARFCOM” target should be used so we are all equals in that regard. I know it sucks as a target, but the reason we all need to use it is that it will form a standardized target so all are handicapped by the same restrictions. Look at the one posted here. 6-inch diameter. They are easy to make or click below;

Rule Modification:  Target; You should use the Arfcom Target but may use a more-or-less 6-inch round bull if you cannot get the Arfcom Target to print.  Use 8 1/2x11 sheet of paper and a clean backer for scoring.  Note scoring rules.

"Official Target":

https://app.box.com/s/sj3zq0s2qeviackhra8s

"Alternate Approved Target":

http://ar15hunter.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/AFRCOM-AR-NON-MOA-CHALLENGE-BULL-TARGET-1.pdf

3} It is recognized that not all ranges allow unsupported shooting. There is really no way around this so fellows will just have to find a legal, safe spot to get their 15 Shots in. Look, make sure it is 100 yards. It does seem to matter. NO SHOOTING AT LESS THAN 100 YARDS! Use a range finder or otherwise do your level best to keep the 100 an actual 100. This is the Honor System remember, so make sure there is some Honor in it!

4} SHOOTING RULES; 100 YARDS, 15 SHOTS WITHIN 2 MINUTES.

Standing/Sitting/Kneeling/Squatting all OK. NO USE OF ANY SUPPORT!

ALL SHOOTING MUST BE UN-supported AND NO prone.

NO bags. NO sling. NO sticks. NO bipods. NO benches. NO supports of any kind. UPDATE; If the range won't let you sit on the ground or stand, go ahead and shoot sitting in the chair, just no resting the rifle or your arms on anything except your own body.  Now...since some might throw shots off a 8.5x11 sheet, the 8.5x11 ARFCOM Target may be taped/stapled on top of a target backer. BUT the target backer MUST be clear of other shots {except the 15 fired for score}. Cardboard, construction paper, reversed tan-backed targets, white paper, etc may be used as target backers EXCEPT, again, the backer must be clean of all shots before shooting the 15 for score. TARGETS WILL BE DISQUALIFIED IF HOLES OTHER THAN THE FIFTEEN ARE VISIBLE. USE A CLEAN TARGET, ETC AS A BACKER. And remember, ARFCOM target {printable} must be used.

Regarding Shooting Positions;

Kneeling can be done with one elbow on knee, squatting elbows on knees are OK. The old cross-legged position, elbows on knees, OK, too. No non-body part under the elbows, AKA NO PRONE, tho, and no resting on bench, or wall, etc.

5} 15-shot group score to be measured as follows. It must be fired within 2 minutes total. Extreme spread to be calculated measuring outside edge of the farthest shots, outside edge of greasehole to outside edge of greasehole. Then subtract diameter of the bullet. Total in inches calculated. You may use a slide rule, ruler, dial caliper or…..yardstick or 20-foot tape measure capable of decimal or fractions to the 16th of an inch but DO NOT POST FRACTIONS!! Convert all ruler measurements to decimal or they will not be posted.  Then convert to MOA. MOA = {100 yard Group size divided by 1.047}.

6} PICTURES: You must post:

1 picture of the fired target uncluttered by anything else,

1 picture of the target with ruler, etc measuring the extreme spread of the group itself,

1 picture of the rifle.

3 pictures in all MUST be posted.

You MAY also include a pic of the shooting position taken either while shooting or posed so we can see what position is being used. That would be helpful and guys will want to see this. Do it if you can.

7}  Results must be entered in the following format for posting {so I can copy/paste}. If not in that format your results will not be posted.

USER NAME – Make Model Caliber Rifle – Barrel Length INCLUDING Muzzle Devices - Sights Make and Type -List of Important Mods – Ammunition {factory load/handloads} - Shooting Position Used – Group Size Decimal Inches = MOA {100 yard Group size divided by 1.047}

8}  Now, here are the Rifle Divisions;

BARREL LENGTHS INCLUDE BRAKES,SUPPRESSORS, FLASH HIDERS as they all add forward weight.

A} Iron-sighted Carbine Division {bbls under 18" INCLUDING BRAKES, SUPPRESSORS, FLASH HIDERS}
B} Iron-Sighted Rifle Division {bbls 18” and over}
C} Optical-Sighted Carbine Division {bbls under 18 inches}
D} Optical-Sighted Rifle Division {bbls 18 inches and over}

EDIT; BARREL LENGTH; MEASURE YOUR BARREL USING THE FOLLOWING METHOD; POST THAT WITH THE DATA ABOVE; Use the “BATFE Method”; Unload rifle, insert cleaning rod from muzzle to breech face, mark at the muzzle, w/draw and measure from end to mark. For our purposes, "Barrel Length" INCLUDES, REPEAT, INCLUDES MUZZLE DEVICES!


Remember, BARREL LENGTHS INCLUDE BRAKES,SUPPRESSORS, FLASH HIDERS as they all add forward weight.

A} Iron-sighted Carbine Division {bbls under 18" INCLUDING BRAKES, SUPPRESSORS, FLASH HIDERS} AKA "Without Glass On It" Carbine Division

1] johnfz6 - Anderson frankengun 5.56 NATO - 16" - A2 iron - None - Ultramax 5.56 55gr FMJ - crossed leg sitting - 5.508 = 5.261 MOA
2] Muad-Colt M4A1 clone-14.5" Colt SOCOM bbl 5.56-Pinned Smith Vortex FH - Carry handle rear-standard FSB - Geissle SSA trigger-ZQI SS109/M855 5.56 62gr-crossed leg sitting-5.880=5.616 MOA
2] EVR – Smith & Wesson M&P15 5.56 – 17.5" - Carry handle Rear, Standard FSB - MAGPUL FCS – Handload - Sitting – 5.901" = 5.636 MOA
3] BillyDoubleU- DPMS M4 .223/5.56- 17.75" - Carry Handle - Wolf Polyformance 55gr FMJ - Crosslegged - 6" = 5.73MOA  
4] pedorrero79 - Olympic Arms 5.56 NATO - 17.125" - Magpul Rear/Standard FSB - RRA trigger - Winchester White box 5.56 55gr FMJ - crossed leg sitting - 6.1" = 5.82 MOA
5] Weldingrod - RRA Mid Length A2 Carbine - Barrel 17 1/2" - Irons - Light weight profile barrel, CTR stockt- Federal XM193 - Sitting - 6.4375" = 6.149 MOA
6] Keeyote – M&P 15 5.56 Nato – 17.5"- Magpul BUIS, Standard FSB -Bone Stock – 69gr Nosler HPBT Match Handloads - Sitting – 6.78" = 6.47 MOA
7] jukeboxx13-BCM/DD ELW 16"-Magpul MBUS PRO BUIS-Geissele SSA-Siting-M193 55 FMJ-8.50"=7.94 MOA
8] L_JE - Spikes/Adco 9mm - 7.5" total bbl AR Pistol- Magpul BUPS - Winchester 115FMJ - sitting - 9.77" = 9.33 MOA
9] Comando293 - PSA mid-length 5.56 Nato - 17.75" barrel OAL - carry handle/A2 fsb - ALG AC trigger - 55gr. AE XM193- sitting - 12.46 inches = 11.90 MOA
10]
11]
12]
13]
14]
15]
16]
17]
18]
19]
20]


B} Iron-Sighted Rifle Division {bbls 18” and over} AKA "Without Glass On It" Rifle Division



1] Sirveaux - DPMS/J&T A2 Clone - 20" HB - A2 iron sights - 62 or 64 gr Speer or Federal loose ammo - Sitting - 4.8395" = 4.622 MOA
2] EVR - Armalite AR10A4 7.62 NATO Caliber- 20" bbl - Irons {A2 Front installed by ADCO} - Speer 150 BTSP Handload - Sitting - 5.924 ES = 5.364 MOA
3] aswrg7 - Retro M16A1 clone. 5.56 mm -- 21.1875" barrel, with flash hider -- original M16A1 sights -- USGI upper, buttstock, and pistol grip -- Winchester 55gr ammo -- cross-legged sitting - 5.398 MOA
4] MRW –Homebuilt AR 5.56 – 21.5" Barrel - Carry handle sights -M16A1 1:12 twist barrel With flat top upper – Handloaded 55 gr FMJ ammo - Seated shooting position – 5.9" group = 5.6 MOA
5] Muad - Faxon build- 18" Faxon GUNNER bbl 5.56 - Smith Vortex FH - Carry handle with NM rear, LMT front post - Geissle Hi-speed DMR - ZQI SS109/M855 5.56 62gr-crossed leg sitting - 6.036" ES = 5.765 MOA
6]  BillyDoubleU- PSA A4 .223/5.56 - 21.25"- LMT Rear/Standard FSP - AE XM193 55gr FMJ - Crosslegged - 6.0625" = 5.79 MOA  
7] L_JE - Noveske/WOA 5.56 - 20.125" total bbl - Troy BUIS - RRA 2 stage trigger - Federal Bulk .223 55FMJ - sitting - 6.15" = 5.87 MOA
8] Weldingrod - RRA Standard A2 - Barrel 21 1/2" - Irons - Barrel turned down by Adco to split difference between A1 and Gov profile - Federal XM193 - Sitting - 6.5625" = 6.268 MOA
9] Diesel_Maximus_2992 – Frankin lower/stag 3ghl upper – 19inbarrel- magpul mbus pro flip irons– American eagle m193 - Sitting knees up, feet flat arms on knees – group:7.27= 6.95 MOA
10] L_JE - K31 7.5x55 - 25.75" total bbl - iron sights - factory trigger - GP11 surplus ammo - sitting - 7.32" = 6.99 MOA
11] EVR–Mosin-Nagant 1931 - 7.62x54R- 28.6" bbl- Iron Sights - Barrel recrowned, Finn M39 trigger added, stock cut down-123 gr Handload - Sitting, elbows on knees – 8" = 7.344 MOA
12] EVR–Mosin-Nagant 1934 - 7.62x54R- 28.75" bbl- Iron Sights - Factory issue - PPU 150 gr SPBT - Sitting, elbows on knees – 8.5" = 7.8 MOA
13] aswrg7 – Rock-Ola M1 Carbine, .30 Carbine – 18" barrel - USGI adjustable sights -CMP issued, with later issue sights, safety, bayo lug – USGI ball amoo - cross-legged sitting – 7.824 MOA
14] minion42 - Springfield Armory M1 Garand .30-06 (Aug 1942) - 24” - stock sights - n/a - PPU 150gr 30-06 “Garand” - kneeling - 8.567” = 8.18 MOA
15] HighpowerRifleBrony-NM AR15A2, .223 Wylde-21.5"-Bushmaster rear/RRA front sights-RRA freefloat tube, LaRue MBT with heavy spring-50gr VMAX handloads-Offhand-9.817" = 9.38 MOA
16] Emegbers - K31 - 7.5x55 GP11 - 25.67" bbl - Iron Sights - Sitting, elbows on knees - 12.024" center to center - 11.484 MOA
17]
18]
19]
20]


C} Optical-Sighted Carbine Division {bbls under 18 inches} AKA "With Glass On It" Carbine Division


1] EVR – S&W M&P15 – 17 1/2" - Burris 3-9 Fullfield - Magpul FCS – PMC 55 FMJ - Sitting – 3.435" = 3.069 MOA
2] EVR-PSA Blem lower/pencil bbl 1/7 twist upper-16.5" bbl-Burris 1.75/5x scope-No Mods-55 gr Hornady SP handload-Sitting w/ elbows rested on knees- 3.901"-3.726 MOA
3] johnfz6 -Stag/YHM/DPMS frankengun 5.56 - 16" barrel-BSA 4-16x40 Contender scope - Spike's Tactical Battle Trigger-handload w/ Hornady 55gr FMJBT-crossed leg sitting- 4.012" = 3.832MOA
4] johnfz6 - LRB/JSE Surp. 5.56 - 17.75" - Vortex Strikefire red dot - no mods - handload w/55 gr Hornady FMJBT - crossed leg sitting - 4.169 = 3.982 MOA
5] War_Face - Scar 16s 5.56x45mm, 17.8" Barrel 1/7 twist - Trijicon TA33 3x Acog - Geissele Super Scar trigger - ADI 69gr SMK - Sitting with rifle braced against knee - 4.3125"= 4.12 MOA
6] GilenusX207 - BCM Kino - 14.75" - Aimpoint T-1 4MOA - Geissele SSA-E, SilencerCo ASR muzzle brake - 52gr SMK/25.2gr TAC/WSR - Sitting - 4.319" = 4.125 MOA
7] ArisakaArmalite–ArmaLiteSPR MOD 1/M15 5.56–17.75" bbl- Nikko-Sterling 3-10 scope -No Mods–PMC 55 gr FMJBT-Sitting, elbows on knees–4.87" - .224 = 4.646 = 4.44 MOA
8] Weldingrod - RRA 556 carbine - Barrel 17 1/2" - Aimpoint T1 - Light weight profile barrel, Magpul handguards and CTR stock - Federal XM193 - Sitting - 4.8125" = 4.596 MOA
9 Topper1 - 16" RRA - 1/9 barrel 17.5 oal - 4X ACOG ZQI - 62 gr 5.56 - Cross legged seated - 5.22" outside to outside - 4.775 moa
10] baranski - Rock River Elite LAR15 -5.56 - 16" hvy bbl 1/9twist - RRA 2-stage trigger - UTG 3-9 scope set at 9x - Aguila 5.56 62 grain - sitting on floor legs crossed - 5.019" = 4.79 MOA.
11] BillyDoubleU - Spike ML .223/5.56 - 17.75" - Troy BUIS - Spike's NIB BCG/FCG - Wolf Polyformance 55gr FMJ - Crosslegged - 5.25" = 5.014 MOA
12] Smallwoods – Miscellaneous AR-15 - Lothar Walther 17.13in - Leupold VX-3 1.75-6 - Geisselle DMR trigger - Fiocchi 223 55gn FMJBT - seated, elbows in front of knees – 5.4 Inches = 5.2 MOA
13] krichbaum - frankengun 5.56 - 17.5" - Aimpoint Micro 4moa dot - mods n/a - handload 55 gr Hornady FMJBT - crossed leg sitting - 5.476" = 5.230 MOA
14] fury413rb - DTI ECHO 316 5.56 1/9-16 - Nikon M223 1-4x, Troy Alpha FF rail, CMMG 2 stage trigger - PPU 69gr match - sitting w/ elbows on knees - 6" - 5.516 MOA  
15] Rksonex- Frankengun 5.56 mm NATO- 16.1" BBL - Aimpoint M2- Tula 55gr .223- Standing Isosceles- 6" = 5.73 MOA
16] BillyDoubleU - Spike's ML .223/5.56 - 17.75" - Aimpoint M3 - Spike's NIB BCG/FCG - AE XM 193 55gr FMJ - Crosslegged - 6.0625" = 5.79 MOA  
17] secretwheelman - M4A1 Block II clone - BCM SOCOM 14.5" w/ SF3P: 16.7" - TA01NSN acog - no mods - Factory XM193 - Kneeling - 7.652" = 7.308 MOA
18] minion42 - BCM upper/lower 5.56mm M4 - 5.56 - 16.2” - Aimpoint PRO - Geissele SSA trigger, Spikes T2 buffer system - Lake City/Federal 5.56 62gr “green tip” - kneeling - 7.9635” = 7.61 MOA
19] jself24 - Delton Mid Length 5.56 - 17.25" Barrel - EoTech (no magnifier) - RRA 2stage Trigger - 55gr Hornady FMJBT Handload - Sitting - 8.40" = 8.02 MOA
20] aswrg7 - M4gery, 5.56 mm-17.5" barrel, w/ A2 flash hider-PrimaryArms non-mag red dot-Frankengun Del-ton upper, AIM BCG, CMMG lower, Magpul furniture, RRA 2-stage trigger-Wolf 55 gr-cross legged sitting-11.845 MOA
21] jukeboxx13-BCM/DD ELW 16"-Aimpoint T1/Eotech G33-Geissele SSA-Siting-M193 55 FMJ-12.50"=11.94 MOA
22] jself24 - Alexander Arms .50 Beowulf- 17.875" Barrel - Vortex SPARC with 2x Magnifier - RRA 2stage Trigger - 335gr Rainer FP Handload - Sitting - 12.62" = 12.05 MOA



D} Optical-Sighted Rifle Division {bbls 18 inches and over} AKA "With Glass On It" Rifle Division



1] EVR – ArmaLite M15NM 5.56 NATO - 21 1/8" BBL - Leupold 4.5-14 - LaRue MBT trigger - 69 gr sierra BTHP Handload – Sitting – 3.0535" = 2.916 MOA
2] EVR – SAKO Finnbear 6.5x55-23" bbl- Leupold 4.5-14 - Freefloated bbl - Prvi Partizan 139 SP – Sitting – 3.1685" = 3.026 MOA
3] L_JE - S&W M&P-15 - 18.125" total bbl - PA MD RDS - G SSA-E trigger - GFL .223 - Sitting - 3.59" = 3.43 MOA  
4] L_JE - Noveske/WOA 5.56 - 27.75" total bbl (incl. YHM suppressor) - Vortex PST 2.5-10x - RRA 2 stage trigger - Fiocchi 77SMK - sitting - 3.78" = 3.61 MOA
5] L_JE - Ruger 10/22 .22LR - 21.5" total bbl (incl. Osprey Sparrow) - Bushnell TRS-25 RDS - stock trigger, Hogue stock - Win SuperX - sitting - 4.526" = 4.32 MOA  
6] krichbaum - frankengun 5.45x39 - 18" - Aimpoint Micro 4moa dot - mods n/a - Surplus 7n6 - crossed leg sitting - 4.496" = 4.294 MOA
7] Weldingrod - BCM A4 556 upper and RRA lower - Barrel 21 1/2" - Aimpoint M4S - Government profile barrel, RRA 2 stage trigger - Federal XM193 - Sitting - 4.625" = 4.417 MOA
8] Diesel_Maximus_2992 – marlin 795 – Barrel Length 16in- Winchester 4x32 from academy – CCI minimag - Sitting, knees up arms on knees – Group size:4.71 = MOA 4.498
9] L_JE - Noveske/WOA 5.56 - 20.125" total bbl - Vortex PST 2.5-10x - RRA 2 stage trigger - Federal Bulk .223 55FMJ - sitting - 4.78" = 4.57 MOA
10] Topper1 20" FN barrel 21.5 oal 4X ACOG ZQI 62 gr 5.56 Cross legged seated 5.625" 5.372 moa
11] Weldingrod - RRA Standard A4 223 Wylde - Barrel 21 1/2" - Leupold Mk 4 4.5-14 - Free float tube, SS HBAR - Federal XM193 - Sitting - 6.437" = 6.148 MOA
12] Weldingrod - Smith & Wesson M&P 10 - Barrel 20 - Aimpoint M4S - Wison TTU 2-stage - Black Hills Match - Sitting - 7.28125" = 6.954 MOA
13] EVR – ArmaLite AR10 .308 – 21 5/8" BBL - Redfield 3-9 - No mods, Tuned Trigger only – Speer 150 BTSP handload – Sitting- 7.520" = 7.18 MOA
14] jself24 - RRA Varmint .223 Wylde - 20" Barrel - Vortex Viper 6.5-20x (shot at 6.5x) - RRA 2stage Trigger - 55gr Hornady FMJBT Handload - Sitting - 9.65" = 9.21 MOA
15] L_JE - Noveske/WOA 5.56 - 20.125" total bbl - Vortex PST 2.5-10x - RRA 2 stage trigger - M193 - Inverted Backwards Kneeling Position - 14.25" = 13.4 MOA  
16]
17]
18]
19]
20]

Here's my new entry;

Target;






Rifle;



W/ Ruler;



EVR-PSA Blem lower/pencil bbl 1/7 twist upper-16.5" bbl-Burris 1.75/5x scope-No Mods-55 gr Hornady SP handload-Sitting w/ elbows rested on knees- 3.901"-3.726 MOA

Since I posted this thing late last nite, I'm gonna bump it.

We need some more shooting threads here, don't'cha'all think?

I'll take the SBR's next weekend for this.

Good on you!!

Let's get the shooters shootin'!

For those not familiar, check out the shooting position rules carefully and post according to the format and I'll keep updating the standings.

Good post EVR, might have to dust off the service rifle.

Sounds like fun.  I'm not a 15er, but I'll see if I can give this a shot this week.

I'm game!

Old Codgers are allowed, too.

I've got six targets printed out, now.  Just got to buy some poster paper for a clean background, and figure out which rifles to use for this.



 

That's the spirit!

General Rules are easy.

15 shots in 2 minutes, 100 yards. Target board must be CLEAN of all holes except the 15 shots.  Use the Official Target with or without name/date info.  No rest may be used except the body {no bench, bags, sticks, bipod, etc}. No prone shooting.  You can stand, sit on the ground, squat, sit in a chair or kneel.  If you want your results posted, post the data required in the right format so all I have to do is copy/paste. You  must post pictures of the shot target, the shot target with ruler, the rifle and if you can, your shooting position and range {the latter two not necessary but we like to see where and how you are shooting}.

Have at it and have fun!

What about sling usage?



 

Well, I think we MIGHT have made a ruling on this but since it hasn't made it to the official rules section I'll make a ruling.

Yes, you can use a sling.  But you HAVE to note it.  Make sure we know you did.  It will be interesting to compare and see how the various shooting positions are used.  Yeah, go ahead.

Note;  I did make the update to the time.  It started at 5 minutes and we changed it to 2 minutes;  15 shots in 2 minutes.

Thanks for giving that an extra mention, it's important.  Big difference between 3 shots a minute and 7.5 per minute.



ETA:  Also, yeah, I'll make two of the targets be for one rifle.  One target with hasty sling, one without, free floated barrel.





 

 

#4 says 15 shots in 5 minutes, but #5 says 2, am I missing something?

ETA - Missed the above post, already answered, think I'll get out again Sunday before it gets real hot.

No problem!

That's great.

I made a ruling a while back I'd post best results of one rifle if it has the same sighting.  But if you use irons and scope I can post the same rifle twice; once irons, once scope.  If you care to shoot it again at a later date and improve, I'll post the best group.

Have some fun with it.

Sling/no-sling will be for informative data points, I wouldn't expect both to be listed, if I even make the cut.



 

Yeah, I want to see it, too.  Note it because it will be really interesting.  I use a hasty sling a lot but for duplicating shooting conditions in the field on elk and deer and bear I scrapped it for myself as sometimes the shots must be taken a little faster even than can be achieved "climbing" into a hasty sling.  

This whole thing is supposed to be fun and give all of us information about the shooting, so I'll take this opportunity to say that for those reading who are not impressed with their results, post them anyway.  EVERYBODY'S experiences are valid and very interesting. And to those who are looking at the groups posted and thinking "Wow, those aren't MOA and certainly aren't very impressive", well, give it a whirl.  We can ALL learn from this stuff and that is the goal.

So ... somebody got a new rifle and is trying to completely dominate the (C) < 18" w/ optics class?

Well...

With the YHM QD, my 16" carbine doesn't meet the < 18" class.
Hmmm.
I'm thinking about putting my 2.5-10x Vortex on my 9mm AR pistol just so I can enter the < 18" w/ optics class.



Ok, the aggression might stand.  I would have to re-adjust the tension on my scope mount, and I don't know if I want to do that.  

This may be a poorly conceived plan.

Ah, give it a shot!!!

Actually, give it 15.

Bump for rule change;

Since this is now in GD, the limitation requiring AR rifles no longer applies!! ANY AND ALL rifles are welcome to be used.  Follow the rules and post your results!

AK's, FAL's, Garands, K98k's, Springfields, Enfields, H&R Handi-Rifles, Mosin-Nagants...WHATEVER!

Have at it, fellows.

9mm Frankenpistol ...



Frankenpistol in Appalachian environment, 2393 ft DA, calm winds ...



My target has some extra .224" holes because this is a recycled target from last year.  Apparently, print toner is a scarce commodity in a SHTF environment, so I found some reasonably clean, un-entered targets from last year.  Thank the gods for misses, right?  The extra holes are colored in green sharpie on the backer.  The 9mm hits are not colored, because that means I would have sharpie ink on my rug, and that would be bad.

Oh, there are some fresh .224" holes as well, because after shooting the course of fire, I pulled the scope off the Frankenpistol abomination and put it back on my SPR, where it belongs.  I reset the turrets to D0.4/R0.0 MILs to confirm zero on my SPR.  My 0.0/0.0 setting is for slower match ammo, so M193 needs to be dialed down 4 clicks. 5 shots from the prone w/ bipod.

Because of this Frankenpistol test, my LaRue wrench has been shortened to fit inside of the storage compartment on my UBR stock - which is something I should have done long ago.  There is just enough picatinny variation betwen the two uppers that the tension nuts need to be adjusted.  Now, if I could just figure out how to fit a printer toner cartridge in there, I'd be totally rockin'.





1:21 shooting time. 6.81"-0.355" = 6.46" CTCmax.

C) Optical-Sighted Carbine Division {bbls under 18 inches} AKA "With Glass On It" Carbine Division
L_JE - Spikes/Adco 9mm - 7.5" total bbl AR Pistol - Vortex PST 2.5-10x - Winchester 115FMJ - sitting - 6.46" = 6.17 MOA

OK:

Bravo!

That is some great shooting with the L'il Stubby!

I don't want to be a jerk right off the bat and ruin the Earth by causing a tree to be cut down for and extra sheet of target paper, not to mention toner...but...I can't enter the listing.

One big rule is the target can only have 15 holes in it.  No extras.  It'll just open the door too far ajar...

But that is GREAT shooting!

So, I'm going to have to do this again ?  I didn't write down the turret settings for the 9mm upper.
But, I can now has MAS le 49/56? And rifle of Swiss 7.5 millimeters?

Ok.


But, I will need official clarification of the rules for another unrelated matter, specifically the "kneeling" position.

Is the "inverted, backwards kneeling position" [IBKP] acceptable?  Ok, let's say you are running away from the zombie horde, and have to slide under a brodozer, or school bus, or tractor trailer, etc, while returning aimed fire at the pursuing horde behind you - that's where the IBKP comes into play.  From a support standpoint, this position is more akin to offhand than sitting or kneeling, because no part of the arms, torso or rifle are in contact with the ground or any other supportive part of the body.

Basically, the officiating crew just needs to say "yes" on good faith that this position does not give the shooter an undue advantage over shooters using the more conventional positions enumerated in the rules - and then sit back and be entertained the results.

As long as no part of the chest, back or arms is/are in contact with the ground or a bench, tree, table, big fat mother-in-law or other structure or object, it is approved.

Get to t!

Can't wait to see the MAS 49/56!

What's the deal about no sling? The only time the sling would not be used is in off hand, the sling is a nessesary part of accurate shooting!!

You got it!  But look at the standings and what you say is not exactly the truth, that is, there is some quite accurate shooting being done without the sling.  But otherwise you get it...and you make the point I should elaborate on;  We are trying here to eliminate all "disciplines" of shooting, placing everybody on an equal footing of sorts and injecting some hardship to the process as well.  

Just do it!  It is all in fun and is as the name states...a CHALLENGE!

Have at it;  follow the rules and post'em up*!



* Follow the format so I can copy/paste to the standings, also.

DO IT!!!

 

tag, I'm in

Weekend is coming up!

Get out there and make some noise!

Soon as I get home on leave, it's on

AR-15 SPR, with the bipod removed and no suppressor, because that stuff's heavy, yo ...



Inverted Backwards Kneeling Position [IBKP], with D2.5 MILs of turret compensation and the camera shooting at 5 second intervals ...



When shouldered, the rifle had a natural cant, and it was tough to level the crosshairs.  This was my second go at it.  My first attempt was 19 MOA, mostly because I screwed up the first shot, but was much tighter L/R because I was working hard to level the crosshairs. On this second attempt, I didn't worry about cant, and I think you can see the effect.

One of the shots is in the outer edge of the extractor, so it's hard to see.  Did I mention the low toner?





64 seconds from first shot to last (you can see the shot timer in the photo).

D) Optical-Sighted Rifle Division {bbls 18 inches and over} AKA "With Glass On It" Rifle Division  

L_JE - Noveske/WOA 5.56 - 20.125" total bbl - Vortex PST 2.5-10x - RRA 2 stage trigger - M193 - Inverted Backwards Kneeling Position - 14.25" = 13.4 MOA

L_JE:

Oh, THAT'S what you meant.

Duly recorded and logged!

And by the way...great shooting!!

This one surprised me.

Since we are now accepting the non-AR riff raff, I though I'd try a 10/22.  The rules don't specify centerfire, but going by the MOA ALL DAY thread, I don't expect a flood of .22LR entries for 100 yards.

Ruger 10/22 with an RDS and stock trigger.  Winchester Super-X ammunition, which I've never been fond of.  I recently spray painted the stainless barrel and silver-colored receiver.  I think this helped the accuracy. Or something.



Sitting position, and about 65 seconds from first shot to last.  Forgot to take a photo of the shot timer on this one.

POA was at 12:00 at the top of the BFL





About 65 seconds

D) Optical-Sighted Rifle Division {bbls 18 inches and over} AKA "With Glass On It" Rifle Division  

L_JE - Ruger 10/22 .22LR - 21.5" total bbl (incl. Osprey Sparrow) - Bushnell TRS-25 RDS - stock trigger, Hogue stock - Win SuperX - sitting - 4.526" = 4.32 MOA

Looks good.

If we get a bunch of .22LR's I might set up another category.  Like you, I don't expect too many.

Why aren't all those "AK47s are best" guys posting in here?  I'll have my target up Friday if I can the appbox to open so I can print a target. OP is that link bad?

eta: it opened

I would LOVE to see some AK's here, too.  FAL's, HK91's, SIG 556's, Remington M700's, Moroccan Jezails, the works!  

Honestly, it would be really interesting to see a wide assortment of old surplus guns, too.  Like K98k's and Mosin Nagants and K31's, whatever.

If the owners don't want to shoot them, they can just loan them to L_JE and he'll be happy to run them thru his Cirque de Soleil routine.

Ugh if only I wasn't thousands of miles away from my guns


Consider this a tag

Your appbox takes forever to load and then won't work....Is it me?

Consider this a tag for me.

Bump cuz we need more shooters.

When it finally dries up and I get out to our friends Ranch in the next month I will get in on this. Nice shooting guys!

Is this contest still open?  If so, I am interested.

HECK YEAH!

HAVE AT IT.  

I posted a entries not too long ago.

It is open to non-AR rifles now, too.  Whatever you like.  

From some of the pictures I've seen though, it doesn't appear as if everyone is measuring the two furthest shots in the group!

They should be.  Minus the bullet diameter to get the extreme spread, divided by the MOA factor.  All spelled out in the rules.

Basically 15 shots at 100 yards;

No sling, no bench, no sticks, no prone. Can shoot from standing, kneeling, sitting on ground or on a chair, etc {some ranges don't allow shooting away from the bench} but no rest allowed.  No part of the body can be rested against any object.

See the first post for details.

I understand the details, I'll be submitting targets for the D class.

taggage.

Does said contest close at any point?

I want to do this but not sure when I'll have access to 100+ yard range again.

Most everyone is sitting, no prone except the backwards flip thing.



Soon

I'll do this pretty soon here.

I'll use DMPS M4 with Irons, Spikes Mid with Irons and then again with RDS and maybe my 20" PSA A4 but this one is my hunting rifle and I need to put a new front sight post on it along with testing a new hunting load... Winchester Power Points suck...

Hell, I may even bust out the 10/22 with Irons...

No.

It's ON.

Have at it.

Does have to be 100 yards, tho.

Follow the rules, post in the format and include the pix.

Correct but to specify, PRONE is NOT allowed.