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Posted: 9/11/2013 5:38:43 PM EDT
How Far we have fallen when a two bit KGB thug is calling us out.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html?_r=0


A Plea for Caution From Russia
By VLADIMIR V. PUTIN
MOSCOW — RECENT events surrounding Syria have prompted me to speak directly to the American people and their political leaders. It is important to do so at a time of insufficient communication between our societies.

Relations between us have passed through different stages. We stood against each other during the cold war. But we were also allies once, and defeated the Nazis together. The universal international organization — the United Nations — was then established to prevent such devastation from ever happening again.

The United Nations’ founders understood that decisions affecting war and peace should happen only by consensus, and with America’s consent the veto by Security Council permanent members was enshrined in the United Nations Charter. The profound wisdom of this has underpinned the stability of international relations for decades.

No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations, which collapsed because it lacked real leverage. This is possible if influential countries bypass the United Nations and take military action without Security Council authorization.

The potential strike by the United States against Syria, despite strong opposition from many countries and major political and religious leaders, including the pope, will result in more innocent victims and escalation, potentially spreading the conflict far beyond Syria’s borders. A strike would increase violence and unleash a new wave of terrorism. It could undermine multilateral efforts to resolve the Iranian nuclear problem and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and further destabilize the Middle East and North Africa. It could throw the entire system of international law and order out of balance.

Syria is not witnessing a battle for democracy, but an armed conflict between government and opposition in a multireligious country. There are few champions of democracy in Syria. But there are more than enough Qaeda fighters and extremists of all stripes battling the government. The United States State Department has designated Al Nusra Front and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, fighting with the opposition, as terrorist organizations. This internal conflict, fueled by foreign weapons supplied to the opposition, is one of the bloodiest in the world.

Mercenaries from Arab countries fighting there, and hundreds of militants from Western countries and even Russia, are an issue of our deep concern. Might they not return to our countries with experience acquired in Syria? After all, after fighting in Libya, extremists moved on to Mali. This threatens us all.

From the outset, Russia has advocated peaceful dialogue enabling Syrians to develop a compromise plan for their own future. We are not protecting the Syrian government, but international law. We need to use the United Nations Security Council and believe that preserving law and order in today’s complex and turbulent world is one of the few ways to keep international relations from sliding into chaos. The law is still the law, and we must follow it whether we like it or not. Under current international law, force is permitted only in self-defense or by the decision of the Security Council. Anything else is unacceptable under the United Nations Charter and would constitute an act of aggression.

No one doubts that poison gas was used in Syria. But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons, who would be siding with the fundamentalists. Reports that militants are preparing another attack — this time against Israel — cannot be ignored.

It is alarming that military intervention in internal conflicts in foreign countries has become commonplace for the United States. Is it in America’s long-term interest? I doubt it. Millions around the world increasingly see America not as a model of democracy but as relying solely on brute force, cobbling coalitions together under the slogan “you’re either with us or against us.”

But force has proved ineffective and pointless. Afghanistan is reeling, and no one can say what will happen after international forces withdraw. Libya is divided into tribes and clans. In Iraq the civil war continues, with dozens killed each day. In the United States, many draw an analogy between Iraq and Syria, and ask why their government would want to repeat recent mistakes.

No matter how targeted the strikes or how sophisticated the weapons, civilian casualties are inevitable, including the elderly and children, whom the strikes are meant to protect.

The world reacts by asking: if you cannot count on international law, then you must find other ways to ensure your security. Thus a growing number of countries seek to acquire weapons of mass destruction. This is logical: if you have the bomb, no one will touch you. We are left with talk of the need to strengthen nonproliferation, when in reality this is being eroded.

We must stop using the language of force and return to the path of civilized diplomatic and political settlement.

A new opportunity to avoid military action has emerged in the past few days. The United States, Russia and all members of the international community must take advantage of the Syrian government’s willingness to place its chemical arsenal under international control for subsequent destruction. Judging by the statements of President Obama, the United States sees this as an alternative to military action.

I welcome the president’s interest in continuing the dialogue with Russia on Syria. We must work together to keep this hope alive, as we agreed to at the Group of 8 meeting in Lough Erne in Northern Ireland in June, and steer the discussion back toward negotiations.

If we can avoid force against Syria, this will improve the atmosphere in international affairs and strengthen mutual trust. It will be our shared success and open the door to cooperation on other critical issues.

My working and personal relationship with President Obama is marked by growing trust. I appreciate this. I carefully studied his address to the nation on Tuesday. And I would rather disagree with a case he made on American exceptionalism, stating that the United States’ policy is “what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional.” It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional, whatever the motivation. There are big countries and small countries, rich and poor, those with long democratic traditions and those still finding their way to democracy. Their policies differ, too. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessings, we must not forget that God created us equal.

Vladimir V. Putin is the president of Russia.
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Link Posted: 9/11/2013 5:39:25 PM EDT
So is this real or is it a fake like the one on Breibart's website?
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Well it is the NY Times so its possible it was ghost written for him. but seems legit, front page of drudge also.

on 9-11 no less, is this guy a class act or what.
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 5:46:16 PM EDT
Vlad has more important things to do than sit around writing fake letters.
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 5:49:48 PM EDT
Schooling the kenyan.
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 6:16:28 PM EDT
Dear former KGB agent:


 Thanks for subverting US citizens to be clueless statist dicks.



---Never yours US capitalist pig








Link Posted: 9/11/2013 6:22:33 PM EDT
Fuck commies.
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 6:28:55 PM EDT
But, but, but Barack has the Nobel Peace Prize,
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 6:31:07 PM EDT
As Iowahawk said on Twitter, Putin is doing donuts in Obama's front yard.
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 6:35:15 PM EDT
Bitch slap of the day.
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Link Posted: 9/11/2013 6:41:05 PM EDT
Interdasting.
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 6:42:11 PM EDT
Regardless of letters, real, fake or imagined..



We are so extremely outclassed in leadership at present.

Our status is falling swiftly and all around the world intelligent, patient, powerful people are making their moves.



Our idiots in charge cannot get away with the same level of incompetence globally without consequences as they can domestically.

They will not be the ones to pay the consequences though, we the people will.
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The public (government) schools already took care of that.
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I agree, fuck BHO.



 
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 6:53:24 PM EDT
putin bitch slapping obama.
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Link Posted: 9/11/2013 7:13:17 PM EDT
Wow. Even if fake, its paints a sad picture. The U.N. turned America into just "another" nation, to be controlled by a counsel for external matters, that just happen to greatly influence what happens within our borders... UNREAL.  "No one wants the United Nations to suffer the fate of the League of Nations." Actually Im all for us leaving and stating that we stand alone and are the best country in the world, JUST like we were before we joined. Oh wait, that would cause more WW3 talk, which apparently the U.N. needs to sign off on also.
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 7:14:24 PM EDT
FBHO.

AND F the Commies. Once one always one. Just mad they will never be exceptional.
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zero has been President for 5 years --- and he still isn't qualified.
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 7:17:10 PM EDT
People are cheering for an asshole that goes to sleep at night counting ICBMs pointing at US cities and the re-emergence of the Glory days of the Soviet Union.




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What's that say about the Obama administration?



 
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What's that say about the Obama administration?

 


What does that say about Americans? That people are so spiteful they would rather cheer for a guy who loved the Soviet Union and wishes he could crush America.



 
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What's that say about the Obama administration?

 


What does that say about Americans? That people are so spiteful they would rather cheer for a guy who loved the Soviet Union and wishes he could crush America.

 


I'm confused, who are you talking about? Obama or Putin?



 
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 7:25:03 PM EDT
Goddamn, that Putin is sly. Almost every one of his statements is factual. Obama should be taking notes because this is propaganda.

My working and personal relationship with President Obama is marked by growing trust.


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He is also a master troll.
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People are cheering for an asshole that goes to sleep at night counting ICBMs pointing at US cities and the re-emergence of the Glory days of the Soviet Union.





What's that say about the Obama administration?

 


What does that say about Americans? That people are so spiteful they would rather cheer for a guy who loved the Soviet Union and wishes he could crush America.

 


I'm confused, who are you talking about? Obama or Putin?

 


You're being intellectually dishonest if you think that's Obama.



Obama may have a hard-on for socialist programs. But he is nothing of Putin's ilk.



 
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What's that say about the Obama administration?
 

What does that say about Americans? That people are so spiteful they would rather cheer for a guy who loved the Soviet Union and wishes he could crush America.
 

I'm confused, who are you talking about? Obama or Putin?
 


I'd rather they both lose.
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Tell me more about "Putin's ilk". Tell me more about Obama's "ilk" while you're at it.



As far as I can tell, Putin just wants what is best for Russia. Obama wants to destroy America and what it stands for so he can reforge it into a socialist Utopia. Sometimes, simply by chance, Putin's interests align with what is best for America. Obama's interests never align with what is best for America. Put another way, Putin does not specifically act against America's interests while Obama does.





 
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You're being intellectually dishonest if you think that's Obama.

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People are cheering for an asshole that goes to sleep at night counting ICBMs pointing at US cities and the re-emergence of the Glory days of the Soviet Union.


What's that say about the Obama administration?
 

What does that say about Americans? That people are so spiteful they would rather cheer for a guy who loved the Soviet Union and wishes he could crush America.
 

I'm confused, who are you talking about? Obama or Putin?
 

You're being intellectually dishonest if you think that's Obama.

Obama may have a hard-on for socialist programs. But he is nothing of Putin's ilk.
 


Yeah, Putin has a backbone, and he's playing our Dear Leader like a fiddle.
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I'm not cheering him on.  It's sad to see the US President slapped around like a flaccid penis because he painted himself into a corner like the fuckwit he is.   This will not be without repercussions.  We've been made to look like fools by these clowns.
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 7:32:54 PM EDT
They are both colossal scumbags, but Putin is playing three dimensional chess while Obama is crying about his soiled diaper.
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Regardless of letters, real, fake or imagined..

We are so extremely outclassed in leadership at present.
Our status is falling swiftly and all around the world intelligent, patient, powerful people are making their moves.

Our idiots in charge cannot get away with the same level of incompetence globally without consequences as they can domestically.
They will not be the ones to pay the consequences though, we the people will.
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Agree.  Amateur Hour only goes so far.
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People are cheering for an asshole that goes to sleep at night counting ICBMs pointing at US cities and the re-emergence of the Glory days of the Soviet Union.





What's that say about the Obama administration?

 


What does that say about Americans? That people are so spiteful they would rather cheer for a guy who loved the Soviet Union and wishes he could crush America.

 


I'm confused, who are you talking about? Obama or Putin?

 
Well played.



 
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No one?


I sure as hell do. FTUN
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Tell me more about "Putin's ilk". Tell me more about Obama's "ilk" while you're at it.



As far as I can tell, Putin just wants what is best for Russia. Obama wants to destroy America and what it stands for so he can reforge it into a socialist Utopia. Sometimes, simply by chance, Putin's interests align with what is best for America. Obama's interests never align with what is best for America. Put another way, Putin does not specifically act against America's interests while Obama does.

 
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You're being intellectually dishonest if you think that's Obama.



Obama may have a hard-on for socialist programs. But he is nothing of Putin's ilk.

 


Tell me more about "Putin's ilk". Tell me more about Obama's "ilk" while you're at it.



As far as I can tell, Putin just wants what is best for Russia. Obama wants to destroy America and what it stands for so he can reforge it into a socialist Utopia. Sometimes, simply by chance, Putin's interests align with what is best for America. Obama's interests never align with what is best for America. Put another way, Putin does not specifically act against America's interests while Obama does.

 




 
Putin ilk purged millions of their own people.




Obama's ilk want nationalized healthcare, and government regulations on industries. Hardly trying to destroy America. But wait, I guess ARF is all in on this secret mission to destroy America. Boy, if we just released this mountain of evidence, Obama would be impeached tomorrow.....




You guys look just as dumb as the Democrats who said George Bush was deliberately trying to destroy America and make us all poor.
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Obama's ilk want nationalized healthcare, and government regulations on industries. Hardly trying to destroy America. But wait, I guess ARF is all in on this secret mission to destroy America. Boy, if we just released this mountain of evidence, Obama would be impeached tomorrow.....




You guys look just as dumb as the Democrats who said George Bush was deliberately trying to destroy America and make us all poor.


This isn't the 1980's. Putin isn't the same as Stalin and Russia isn't the same as the Soviet Union. Just like Merkel isn't the same as Hitler and Germany isn't the Third Reich. Times change. Putin is simply acting in the interests of his country and in this case Russia's efforts and international non-involvement align with what I personally believe is best for the United States. Simple as that. Russia's interests seldom align with the United States', but they don't automatically conflict either.



As far as Obama goes, if you look at his efforts to destabilize the middle east, put up roadblocks in front of domestic oil production, put up roadblocks in front of domestic coal utilization, who his friends are, who his mentors were, what his statements mean, etc. etc. etc. I absolutely believe he actively acts against the interests of the United States.



 
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You're being intellectually dishonest if you think that's Obama.

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People are cheering for an asshole that goes to sleep at night counting ICBMs pointing at US cities and the re-emergence of the Glory days of the Soviet Union.


What's that say about the Obama administration?
 

What does that say about Americans? That people are so spiteful they would rather cheer for a guy who loved the Soviet Union and wishes he could crush America.
 

I'm confused, who are you talking about? Obama or Putin?
 

You're being intellectually dishonest if you think that's Obama.

Obama may have a hard-on for socialist programs. But he is nothing of Putin's ilk.
 

I have no doubt that if Obama could start putting those folks who "cling to their guns and religion" into ditches, he would be doing it. He has a plan, just like Stalin did.
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 7:47:05 PM EDT
Fuck Obama and his supporters.
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People are cheering for an asshole that goes to sleep at night counting ICBMs pointing at US cities and the re-emergence of the Glory days of the Soviet Union.


What's that say about the Obama administration?
 

What does that say about Americans? That people are so spiteful they would rather cheer for a guy who loved the Soviet Union and wishes he could crush America.
 


I'm confused, who are you talking about? Obama or Putin?





Hit out of the park and has yet to land.  Obama is destroying the country just fine with no help from Putin.
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Putin ilk purged millions of their own people.




Obama's ilk want nationalized healthcare, and government regulations on industries. Hardly trying to destroy America. But wait, I guess ARF is all in on this secret mission to destroy America. Boy, if we just released this mountain of evidence, Obama would be impeached tomorrow.....




You guys look just as dumb as the Democrats who said George Bush was deliberately trying to destroy America and make us all poor.


This isn't the 1980's. Putin isn't the same as Stalin and Russia isn't the same as the Soviet Union. Just like Merkel isn't the same as Hitler and Germany isn't the Third Reich. Times change. Putin is simply acting in the interests of his country and in this case Russia's efforts and international non-involvement align with what I personally believe is best for the United States. Simple as that. Russia's interests seldom align with the United States', but they don't automatically conflict either.



As far as Obama goes, if you look at his efforts to destabilize the middle east, put up roadblocks in front of domestic oil production, put up roadblocks in front of domestic coal utilization, who his friends are, who his mentors were, what his statements mean, etc. etc. etc. I absolutely believe he actively acts against the interests of the United States.

 




 
His efforts in Middle East are misguided and dangerously idealistic. But that doesn't mean it is a deliberate attempt to make things worse.




Remember. Bush in his first term behaving very much like Obama. Being very aggressive against dictatorships in that region and that the Muslim people needed Democracy.




Obama believes in a strong central government. He is not much different then most other a democrats and their visions for what they wanted America to be. Yet, we did not get destroyed and we are still doing pretty good.




There is plenty of stuff to not like Obama for without having to make up crazy, scary claims in an attempt to gain more supporters to our side.
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Exactly, Russia is scared that we may resurrect Ronald Maximus Reagan and elect him next time around.
Putin isn't stupid and realizes that we very well could end up with an ultra-conservative in office if we survive this mess.
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 8:05:36 PM EDT
Had Obama got his Congressional vote like he wanted. Today, on September 11th, our military would have been in active combat on the side of Sunnis and Al Qaeda against Christians and minority Alawites.
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Now we support terrorists that killed 3k Americans against Christian and Alawite minorities. I just don't understand it. If Hezbollah and Al Qaeda fight it out....let them!
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Now we support terrorists that killed 3k Americans against Christian and Alawite minorities. I just don't understand it. If Hezbollah and Al Qaeda fight it out....let them!
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People are cheering for an asshole that goes to sleep at night counting ICBMs pointing at US cities and the re-emergence of the Glory days of the Soviet Union.





What's that say about the Obama administration?

 


What does that say about Americans? That people are so spiteful they would rather cheer for a guy who loved the Soviet Union and wishes he could crush America.

 
Unfortunately we are at the point that if it hurts Obama it helps America.

 






And thus I cheer that Putin has made Obama look stupid.
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How Far we have fallen when a two bit KGB thug is calling us out.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/12/opinion/putin-plea-for-caution-from-russia-on-syria.html?_r=0


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It's like I'm taking fucking crazy pills.

Why the fuck does the Russian President, the former leader of the KGB, and member during the cold war, make more sense than our very own President?

ETA: On 9/11 of all fucking days.
Link Posted: 9/11/2013 8:16:57 PM EDT
ArmyInfantryVet is serious or trolling? I seriously can't tell a difference.
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the citizens did elect those statist dicks twice...
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