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1/25/2018 7:38:29 AM
Posted: 7/1/2002 10:27:35 AM EST
Can someone estimate the final consumer cost per unit of Freon. What is the material cost, then the tax (I know it's hypertaxed) per unit. I don't think that any State taxes are applied in my state. I'm trying to help someone out and find out if they are being ripped off... Thanks!
Link Posted: 7/1/2002 10:47:29 AM EST
Link Posted: 7/1/2002 10:51:17 AM EST
[Last Edit: 7/1/2002 10:52:25 AM EST by Philadelphia_GunMan]
$20 - $30 for a 12 oz can. Edited to say: this is what shops pay around me.
Link Posted: 7/1/2002 10:53:06 AM EST
I've seen $65/lb at some car dealerships. My buddy is an a/c serviceman, he sells to his customers for $50/lb.
Link Posted: 7/1/2002 10:56:31 AM EST
I heard that there was a good drop-in replacement for R-12, and it is a lot cheaper. Cannoit remember the # of the new product, but it is not the same as the new standard stuff. GunLvr
Link Posted: 7/1/2002 10:59:41 AM EST
R12 freon is not legal for manufacture or import into the US any more so it's expensive to buy (kind of like hi-cap mags). Last I checked it was still cheap in Mexico so if you're close to the border you can get serviced there.
Link Posted: 7/1/2002 11:03:49 AM EST
Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD: I heard that there was a good drop-in replacement for R-12, and it is a lot cheaper. Cannoit remember the # of the new product, but it is not the same as the new standard stuff. GunLvr
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Hotshot is what my A/C buddy called it. We dumped it into my Suburban's A/C last month. Went in at 80% of the r-12 charge. Works great. It will also replace 134.
Link Posted: 7/1/2002 1:39:08 PM EST
Some of those cheap" replacements are full of flammable gas, so, lets have a leak in the passenger compartment, add a spark,,,,,,,,stay with R-12 or go to 134.
Link Posted: 7/1/2002 2:05:35 PM EST
I still have a bunch from the good ole days. Can I still sell it? I thought they just stopped producing it and/or importing it?
Link Posted: 7/1/2002 2:33:21 PM EST
Heres a suggestion, use FR-12 it is totaly compatable with R-12 and costs around $6.00 a 9.6oz (12oz as some call it) can.
Link Posted: 7/1/2002 2:38:16 PM EST
What about R-22 prices? I have a 30lb cylinder of Dupont R-22 that I don't really need. Is it legal to sell it to somebody in the bizz?
Link Posted: 7/1/2002 2:49:43 PM EST
R-22 is a commercial refrigerant used in air conditioning systems, dont even think of putting that in an auto you will end up slugging the system and burning it out, that is a no no. As far as cost it is not on the banned list and is available anywhere.
Link Posted: 7/1/2002 3:46:28 PM EST
Originally Posted By Hotrod: R-22 is a commercial refrigerant used in air conditioning systems, dont even think of putting that in an auto you will end up slugging the system and burning it out, that is a no no. As far as cost it is not on the banned list and is available anywhere.
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I know all about keeping R-22 away from auto A/C systems! I was mostly wondering if it was banned and if so what is it selling for these days? Guess I'm still poor....
Link Posted: 7/1/2002 3:48:58 PM EST
R-12 still wholesales for about $100 per 30 pds. Then there's the 1100.00 tax, making it sell to the contractors at about 40.00 per #. R-22 goes for about 1.50 per # in a 30# cylinder.
Link Posted: 7/1/2002 3:51:22 PM EST
Oh well, I think I paid something like $10 for it. I think I'll just keep it some more....
Link Posted: 7/1/2002 4:13:56 PM EST
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Link Posted: 7/1/2002 4:51:49 PM EST
I am in the HVAC/R business and carry both a Universal and Automotive certification to buy refrigerant. m (B.S., really.) R-22 is not just a "commercial" gas. It is used in nearly all home AC units. Costs me about $42. / 30 LB. R-12 costs around $ 900. / 30 LB. More in small cans. Most of that is tax. Before the morons got into it, I paid $.88 per pound = $26.40 / 30 LB cyl!! Not shot is a good if overpriced product. It has an ASHRAE # but I can't think of it at the moment. Works good - better than R-134a in older cars. Mostly R-22 with atiny amount of propane. Far too little flammable gas to be ignited. ALL refrigeration systems can ignite a rapid leak as the oil mist it carries WILL burn. The Europeans use propane, butane, methane etc as a replacement for the CFC gasses. Serves them right as they helped create this mess!! Duracool (sp) for sure is one of these. The tip off is whether you need a certification to buy it. No card required means flammable. Avoid like the clap. Freeze 12 is a goofy mixture if I remember correctly. I avoid it too. R-134a conversions of older cars work - sometimes!! PAG oil is crap but it is cheap so it is often used. POE oil, another 100% synthetic, is far better. Both are strong debris scavengers often causing things to plug up. Both attack SOME elastomers in the system causing leaks and failures. R-134a is a much smaller molecule so it leaks worse. Particularly through older elastomers. R-134a requires a larger condenser surface area than R-12 or the blend substitutes. Some cars will barely work at all with it and can also have very short compressor life. A couple other refrigerants work quite well in automotive but I do not believe they are certified for that application. R-409a is a blend of R-22 and several other gasses. I use it in many commercal systems without complaint. MP-39 (R-401 I think is #.) is other one I use. (Also based on 22.) Not as good as R-409a as it doesn't work well in low temp applications and seems more prone to floodback. Less effective at oil return too. I use it only in systems that already have it. Any other conversions get R-409a. I NEVER convert to R-134a; I hate the stuff! I have a couple jugs of R-12 I would love to sell or trade!! Don't install it anymore.
Link Posted: 7/1/2002 5:29:37 PM EST
micky mouse. commercial gas means (non automitive) ie. residential,commercial,industrial refrigerant.
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