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Posted: 1/31/2011 3:35:00 AM EDT
Free trade wins again, meaning 145 workers will lose their jobs.



http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11019/1119014-455.stm



Thomas & Betts Co. last week announced it was moving 70 jobs at its Reznor heater manufacturing plant to Mexico.



In other news, Walmart plans to announce a temporary halt to it's price lowering due to a slowdown in outsourcing of American jobs
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 4:34:05 AM EDT
[#1]
Probably all union jobs so meh.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 5:02:12 AM EDT
[#2]
it sucks to see more jobs be shipped off, but when will people learn that you cant tax and regulate companies to death? they will simply move else where if they can. we have seen this time and time again.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 5:04:00 AM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
it sucks to see more jobs be shipped off, but when will people learn that you cant tax and regulate companies to death? they will simply move else where if they can. we have seen this time and time again.


This and we need to have tariffs to discourage off shoring.  To hell with Free Trade, GATT and globalization.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 5:05:13 AM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
Quoted:
it sucks to see more jobs be shipped off, but when will people learn that you cant tax and regulate companies to death? they will simply move else where if they can. we have seen this time and time again.


This and we need to have tariffs to discourage off shoring.  To hell with Free Trade, GATT and globalization.


That way rather than moving offshore they just close up altogether?

Thats a solid game plan......
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 5:05:44 AM EDT
[#5]
Wonder how many heaters they'd sell in ol' Mexico if the government actually did something to look after the working people for once and told Thomas and Betts to sell them down there if you want to build them down there?
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 5:07:44 AM EDT
[#6]



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it sucks to see more jobs be shipped off, but when will people learn that you cant tax and regulate companies to death? they will simply move else where if they can. we have seen this time and time again.




This and we need to have tariffs to discourage off shoring.  To hell with Free Trade, GATT and globalization.




That way rather than moving offshore they just close up altogether?



Thats a solid game plan......


Neither really helps our country.



 
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 5:14:23 AM EDT
[#7]



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it sucks to see more jobs be shipped off, but when will people learn that you cant tax and regulate companies to death? they will simply move else where if they can. we have seen this time and time again.




This and we need to have tariffs to discourage off shoring.  To hell with Free Trade, GATT and globalization.




That way rather than moving offshore they just close up altogether?



Thats a solid game plan......


Neither really helps our country.

 


What WOULD help would be if the government would let US companies be more compeditive.......but that hasn't happened.

 
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 5:16:15 AM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:
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it sucks to see more jobs be shipped off, but when will people learn that you cant tax and regulate companies to death? they will simply move else where if they can. we have seen this time and time again.


This and we need to have tariffs to discourage off shoring.  To hell with Free Trade, GATT and globalization.


Not sure if serious....
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 5:18:31 AM EDT
[#9]


First 2 posts nail it.
Unions, business taxes, and regulations = jobs gone
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 5:25:05 AM EDT
[#10]





Quoted:



Probably all union jobs so meh.



Yeah screw any worker who wants a little leverage  for themselves in the workplace...



 


First 2 posts nail it.
Unions, business taxes, and regulations = jobs gone  




Please explain to me why any one but the owners of a business should give a damn about it if they are allowed to destroy the environment screw their employees and not pay taxes.





 
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 5:30:18 AM EDT
[#11]
I hate to see jobs moving out of the country but it's not like we are doing our part to make this country more competitive considering our current attitude towards unions, taxes, and business regulation.  It'd be one thing if every state was right to work and we didn't impose taxes on companies doing business here but as it is now this is just a consequence of our own stupidity.

It goes without saying that unions drive business from our shores but most people don't understand how illogical it is to tax a company.  Any corporate earnings which are not taxed end up either getting reinvested into the company (creating more jobs for people who then get taxed on their income) or paid out as dividends to shareholders (which get taxed).

So why again would we tax the earnings of a company doing business here?
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 5:34:38 AM EDT
[#12]





Quoted:
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Probably all union jobs so meh.



Yeah screw any worker who wants a little leverage  for themselves in the workplace...
 


First 2 posts nail it.
Unions, business taxes, and regulations = jobs gone  






Please explain to me why any one but the owners of a business should give a damn about it if they are allowed to destroy the environment screw their employees and not pay taxes.


 



If you're union you run the risk of pushing that leverage too far and getting the chop.  Nothing wrong with unions, per se, as long as they know that and act accordingly.





And hey, Mr. Strawman, who said anything about allowing businesses to destroy the environment?





 
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 5:38:00 AM EDT
[#13]
Quoted:
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it sucks to see more jobs be shipped off, but when will people learn that you cant tax and regulate companies to death? they will simply move else where if they can. we have seen this time and time again.


This and we need to have tariffs to discourage off shoring.  To hell with Free Trade, GATT and globalization.


The United States does almost $1.3 TRILLION in exports each year.  We are #3 in the world in terms of exports.  I'd go on but those facts alone should point out the obvious flaw in your plan.

Link Posted: 1/31/2011 5:42:07 AM EDT
[#14]



this doesn't have anything to do with "free trade".


Link Posted: 1/31/2011 5:46:14 AM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Probably all union jobs so meh.

Yeah screw any worker who wants a little leverage  for themselves in the workplace...

 
First 2 posts nail it.



Unions, business taxes, and regulations = jobs gone  


Please explain to me why any one but the owners of a business should give a damn about it if they are allowed to destroy the environment screw their employees and not pay taxes.
 


What exactly do you think happens to corporate profits if they are not taxed?  

That's right, they get distributed as dividends to shareholders or bonuses to management...at which point they are taxed.  

Taxing corporations is the dumbest thing we could possibly do.  Not only does it give corporations an incentive to base their operations elsewhere, but it also reduces the amount of money available for reinvestment (new jobs) in the following year.  Shareholders are going to get paid regardless of where operations are based so why wouldn't we want corporations to put their operations in our country so that we can have the jobs and subsequent tax revenue from income earned by those jobs?



Link Posted: 1/31/2011 5:48:18 AM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
Probably all union jobs so meh.


Love how you have the facts " probably union jobs " .

Friend calls me last night from Grand Rapids area
of Michigan. During our talk he tells me his brother
is losing his job of 18 years at Steel Case Corp., a
very non union Company, 450 jobs lost, and the
work going to Mexico. Can you tell me how those
lost jobs are different than 145 jobs, even  " IF "
they were union jobs?
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 6:03:51 AM EDT
[#17]
Everything is going according to plan.
The blame/hate America crowds plans to turn America into a third world type of place are exceeding all expectations.


Commie politicians, commie union bosses, and a whole bunch of stupid citizens.


It is  very sad when you just sit back and look at what is happening.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 6:03:52 AM EDT
[#18]
Too many morons think that the only reason a business exists is to provide them with a job.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 6:05:42 AM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:
I hate to see jobs moving out of the country but it's not like we are doing our part to make this country more competitive considering our current attitude towards unions, taxes, and business regulation.  It'd be one thing if every state was right to work and we didn't impose taxes on companies doing business here but as it is now this is just a consequence of our own stupidity.

It goes without saying that unions drive business from our shores but most people don't understand how illogical it is to tax a company.  Any corporate earnings which are not taxed end up either getting reinvested into the company (creating more jobs for people who then get taxed on their income) or paid out as dividends to shareholders (which get taxed).

So why again would we tax the earnings of a company doing business here?


Michigan is the perfect example of taxing business so heavily that they, in order to survive, leave an area.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 6:24:48 AM EDT
[#20]
We can't compete with Chinese labor unless our workers are housed in dorms onsite making 200.00 dollars a month working
11 or 12 hours a day with 2 days off a month. No overtime pay or benefits and unable to resign due to contractual obligations.

Employers will have the added expense of installing netting so the employees jumping out the windows don't hit the ground.

This is the model that we have to follow if we are to compete in a global market.

Link Posted: 1/31/2011 6:30:04 AM EDT
[#21]





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it sucks to see more jobs be shipped off, but when will people learn that you cant tax and regulate companies to death? they will simply move else where if they can. we have seen this time and time again.






This and we need to have tariffs to discourage off shoring.  To hell with Free Trade, GATT and globalization.






The United States does almost $1.3 TRILLION in exports each year.  We are #3 in the world in terms of exports.  I'd go on but those facts alone should point out the obvious flaw in your plan.








Thanks for posting. This thread is a lonely place for those who understand basic economics at the moment.


 



ETA: See the post immediately above mine.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 6:31:22 AM EDT
[#22]



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Too many morons think that the only reason a business exists is to provide them with a job.


It's a virtuous circle. Henry Ford understood that. If your employees can't afford to buy what you make, or you just offshore everything to somewhere where they will never afford your product, then at some point, you will not have any customers left with jobs.



So they won't be able to afford your product at any price.



 
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 6:32:45 AM EDT
[#23]
Thank the people who came up with minimum wage schemes, unemployment insurance, health care, equal opportunity hiring, and high energy costs.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 7:39:02 AM EDT
[#24]
Quoted:

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Too many morons think that the only reason a business exists is to provide them with a job.

It's a virtuous circle. Henry Ford understood that. If your employees can't afford to buy what you make, or you just offshore everything to somewhere where they will never afford your product, then at some point, you will not have any customers left with jobs.

So they won't be able to afford your product at any price.
 



The Henry Ford thing is a myth.  The reason that average Joe's could afford cars after Henry Ford is because individual productivity absolutely skyrocketed as a result of Ford's mass production techniques which reduced the amount of labor per car to a level that made it mathematically possible for the people making the car to also be able to afford a car.

When it takes 100,000 man-hours to make a car one at a time the old fashion way, it becomes mathematically impossible to pay those workers enough so that they could afford that same car they made.  The more that you pay workers, the more expensive the product becomes as cost of labor is always included in the price of a product.  There is no virtuous circle when it comes to wages.  

However, if you increase the amount of product you can crank out the door for the SAME amount of money through productivity increases, then all of a sudden the price of the product is reduced in a competitive market and those workers same wages have more buying power.  If you want to increase standard of living then your goal should be to increase productivity not wages.  Which leads very nicely into my next argument about how destructive unions are to average standard of living...

Economics is just a series of simple math problems.  We'd be able to solve this country's problems if everyone understood basic math.  The problem is that people don't have the attention span to follow problems through to their logical conclusion.




Link Posted: 1/31/2011 7:41:38 AM EDT
[#25]
If I recall, the US Corporate payroll tax is 35% and other countries are as low as 6%.



If we lower this tax we may be able to keep more jobs here.



ETA: it is called the Corporate income tax and it is 35%
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 7:49:25 AM EDT
[#26]
Quoted:
Thank the people who came up with minimum wage schemes, unemployment insurance, health care, equal opportunity hiring, and high energy costs.


absolutely.


Link Posted: 1/31/2011 7:50:31 AM EDT
[#27]



Quoted:





Quoted:

Probably all union jobs so meh.


Yeah screw any worker who wants a little leverage  for themselves in the workplace...




 

First 2 posts nail it.
Unions, business taxes, and regulations = jobs gone  




Please explain to me why any one but the owners of a business should give a damn about it if they are allowed to destroy the environment screw their employees and not pay taxes.

 
Open your own business, I dare you.





 
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 7:50:51 AM EDT
[#28]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
it sucks to see more jobs be shipped off, but when will people learn that you cant tax and regulate companies to death? they will simply move else where if they can. we have seen this time and time again.


This and we need to have tariffs to discourage off shoring.  To hell with Free Trade, GATT and globalization.


The United States does almost $1.3 TRILLION in exports each year.  We are #3 in the world in terms of exports.  I'd go on but those facts alone should point out the obvious flaw in your plan.


Thanks for posting. This thread is a lonely place for those who understand basic economics at the moment.  

ETA: See the post immediately above mine.


This whole website much less this entire country is a lonely place for those who understand basic economics.  

It's the reason why we can't have nice things in this country.  We only live at a small fraction of our potential standard of living.  People would be blown away by how good we would have it if everyone understood economics and willingly got behind those principals.  It's not like these are even difficult problems to solve.  The difficulty is that we always have a good majority of the country who actively fights against those things which would bring us the most benefit.  Not because they don't want prosperity but because they are just straight ignorant.  

Try explaining the negative economic impact of price floors and collusion to a union guy and rather than comprehend what you are saying and realize that you are actually on their side they just shout out a bunch of emotional class warfare nonsense.  Try explaining productivity and its role in standard of living and they stare at you dumbfounded.

Link Posted: 1/31/2011 7:51:07 AM EDT
[#29]



Quoted:


We can't compete with Chinese labor unless our workers are housed in dorms onsite making 200.00 dollars a month working

11 or 12 hours a day with 2 days off a month. No overtime pay or benefits and unable to resign due to contractual obligations.



Employers will have the added expense of installing netting so the employees jumping out the windows don't hit the ground.



This is the model that we have to follow if we are to compete in a global market.





In before some asshole here says "hey, if you dont fucking like it just fund another job"



 
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 7:55:13 AM EDT
[#30]
Quoted:
If I recall, the US Corporate payroll tax is 35% and other countries are as low as 6%.

If we lower this tax we may be able to keep more jobs here.

ETA: it is called the Corporate income tax and it is 35%


It should be 0%.

Taxes should be collected at the point where that income is distributed as dividends in order to achieve two things:

1)  Allow companies to fully reinvest profits into new plants and equipment
2)  Eliminate one of the major incentives to base operations off shore

Ironically enough, both of those consequences would result in not only more jobs but also a larger tax base as people with good jobs pay more taxes.  It is so incredibly logical that we eliminate the corporate income tax.  The only challenge is getting the mouth breathers to understand the concept.

Link Posted: 1/31/2011 7:58:01 AM EDT
[#31]
don't you mean "overtaxation and regulation and  to support the parasites  wins again?"
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 7:58:40 AM EDT
[#32]




Quoted:



First 2 posts nail it.
Unions, business taxes, and regulations = jobs gone




These are only part of the problem.  Slave labor or near slave labor in China is part of the issue.  The only way i can see to compete is to

1) Require companies that do business here, to follow US Labor laws in their home countries for any products shipped here.

2) Get retailers like Wal Mart to go back to buy American first and import second as a way of doing business.



I have little hope that either of these will ever take place.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 7:59:06 AM EDT
[#33]
Quoted:
Quoted:
it sucks to see more jobs be shipped off, but when will people learn that you cant tax and regulate companies to death? they will simply move else where if they can. we have seen this time and time again.


This and we need to have tariffs to discourage off shoring.  To hell with Free Trade, GATT and globalization.


That's a two way street.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 7:59:54 AM EDT
[#34]
Quoted:
it sucks to see more jobs be shipped off, but when will people learn that you cant tax and regulate companies to death? they will simply move else where if they can. we have seen this time and time again.


Along with unions demanding exorbitant salaries for menial jobs.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 8:00:23 AM EDT
[#35]
We have (nearly) the highest corporate tax in the world. This isn't a failure of the free market, it's the inevitable result of high taxes.

Stop trying to punish rich people and the jobs will come back.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 8:04:32 AM EDT
[#36]



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Wonder how many heaters they'd sell in ol' Mexico if the government actually did something to look after the working people for once and told Thomas and Betts to sell them down there if you want to build them down there?


They have had a factory in Mexico for a while now.  Its also a mix of
jobs moving to Mexico and Mississippi.  They are upgrading/streamlining,
hence fewer people will be needed in the first place.





Sorry, but you can't expect a company to keep pace with the rest of the
world without doing what everyone else is doing, more work with fewer
people.



 
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 8:06:15 AM EDT
[#37]
Quoted:
don't you mean "over taxation and regulation and  to support the parasites  wins again?"


you cannot make someone see what they choose not to.  Price drives demand, producing said product elsewhere lowers price, more units get sold or the corporation makes a higher profit.

Americans cannot produce the good at a competitive cost, wages have to ratchet down or business goes elsewhere.


If you want to place blame it should be with the legislatures State and Fed and the Federal Reserve for regulating businesses into moving and destroying the value of your currency.

In the late 50s to 60s my grandad raised a family of 3 for around $10 per hour.

Link Posted: 1/31/2011 8:15:52 AM EDT
[#38]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Wonder how many heaters they'd sell in ol' Mexico if the government actually did something to look after the working people for once and told Thomas and Betts to sell them down there if you want to build them down there?

They have had a factory in Mexico for a while now.  Its also a mix of jobs moving to Mexico and Mississippi.  They are upgrading/streamlining, hence fewer people will be needed in the first place.

Sorry, but you can't expect a company to keep pace with the rest of the world without doing what everyone else is doing, more work with fewer people.
 


Nor can you expect to keep an economy at all if every turn is a turn for the worst, it's too late to lay blame even. No we can't expect a company to provide jobs but we should be able to expect more from them than a path worn over the borders on their way out and usually a product of lesser quality and higher price coming back in.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 8:22:54 AM EDT
[#39]
Quoted:

Quoted:

First 2 posts nail it.



Unions, business taxes, and regulations = jobs gone


These are only part of the problem.  Slave labor or near slave labor in China is part of the issue.  The only way i can see to compete is to
1) Require companies that do business here, to follow US Labor laws in their home countries for any products shipped here.
2) Get retailers like Wal Mart to go back to buy American first and import second as a way of doing business.

I have little hope that either of these will ever take place.


How about instead of using artificial (and unenforceable) laws to "foster" competition, we look seriously about WHY American labor is uncompetitive?  I'll start:

1) Why do workers expect to get a pay raise every year for doing the exact same job?
2) Why do workers and the government expect companies to provide health insurance?
3) Why do workers expect that it should be possible to maintain the current standard of living with a job that requires no talent or investment in education and training?
4) Why does the government believe that supplying a good education is important when there isn't the demand for it?  If kids don't see the relationship between education and money, they won't buy the product.

I'm not proposing that the answers to these questions are "we shouldn't". But I am saying that we need to seriously consider the assumptions behind some of the ideas we take for granted.  A great many of them come from the 50's and 60's postwar era, which we can see now was NOT the economic norm.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 8:25:41 AM EDT
[#40]
So what makes these workers more deserving then the mexican, chinese, etc workers?
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 8:29:13 AM EDT
[#41]
Walmart sells $17 billion dollars worth of foreign made goods, and $147 billion dollars worth of US made goods.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 8:29:25 AM EDT
[#42]
Tax the heck out of a company and they will move out of the country if it is viable for them to do so, it's as simple as that. For the company in question South of the Border worked out better for their bottom line than a move to other parts of the USA. The last I checked a company does not owe anyone a job.

Better those workers bugged the heck out of their local and state reps to have the companies tax rate lowered. Now they are left holding the bag and looking for others to blame.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 8:33:12 AM EDT
[#43]
Quoted:
Quoted:
don't you mean "over taxation and regulation and  to support the parasites  wins again?"


you cannot make someone see what they choose not to.  Price drives demand, producing said product elsewhere lowers price, more units get sold or the corporation makes a higher profit.

Americans cannot produce the good at a competitive cost, wages have to ratchet down or business goes elsewhere.


If you want to place blame it should be with the legislatures State and Fed and the Federal Reserve for regulating businesses into moving and destroying the value of your currency.

In the late 50s to 60s my grandad raised a family of 3 for around $10 per hour.



- In a house 1/3 to 1/2 the size of today
- With 1/3 to 1/2 the number of cars, all of which had 1/3 to 1/2 the number of features/amenities
- With fuel prices a fraction of what they are now, even in inflation adjusted dollars
- With health care that, at it's best, left you a cripple after accidents and dead from most diseases.

Today we live with amenities and luxuries that only the richest could afford in the 50's and 60's - that needs to be taken into account.

BTW, $20k per year was WELL above "working class" back then - it's worth about $140k/year now.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 8:37:42 AM EDT
[#44]
Quoted:
We can't compete with Chinese labor unless our workers are housed in dorms onsite making 200.00 dollars a month working
11 or 12 hours a day with 2 days off a month. No overtime pay or benefits and unable to resign due to contractual obligations.

Employers will have the added expense of installing netting so the employees jumping out the windows don't hit the ground.

This is the model that we have to follow if we are to compete in a global market.



Two things about your statements:

1. Actually the US could compete quite well especially if taxes and regulations were greatly reduced.

2. No nation can isolate itself from the global economy, not by tarrifs, not by outright isolation even.  What you have to hope for is that China's economy rises quickly enough that both China and the US grow.

Link Posted: 1/31/2011 8:38:04 AM EDT
[#45]
Mercantilism is a recipe for pure, unadulterated fail.  The only people who espouse it are ignorant or emotional dingbats, communists, or politicians catering to them.  Completely insane belief system.  

This country is screwed until more than 5% of it's people begin to grasp the most basic concepts in economics.  It is like not knowing that 2 + 2 = 4.  I just spent a dinner the other night listening to an economic genius who actually manages peoples money for a living talk about how we need a massive amount of new financial regulations to prevent another catastrophe.  College educated.  Then he went on about how net neutrality was the best thing evar or else netflix would be forced to raise it's prices.  He finished his rant with a poorly composed lecture on how the government needs to work for the people again, instead of business.  That was the give away.  Moments later, he started snarling about Sarah Palin, and while she is not the brightest bulb on the tree, the drooling haters are typically retards.  Certainly the case with this knob. He washed down a sip of dick and belched out some tea-party bile and at that point I was just stirring my Kung Pao Chicken wishing a meteor would hit the building and kill us all.  He might be my BIL soon.  The first one to be a total retard.  I thought I may have lucked out with 4 good BILs.  Only one more to go, and yep, he's a dolt.

The people in this country don't lack knowledge as much as they lack the ability to reason.  Rationalizing pre-determined beliefs is the new "intelligent".
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 8:41:13 AM EDT
[#46]



Quoted:


Mercantilism is a recipe for pure, unadulterated fail.  The only people who espouse it are ignorant or emotional dingbats, communists, or politicians catering to them.  Completely insane belief system.  



This country is screwed until more than 5% of it's people begin to grasp the most basic concepts in economics.  It is like not knowing that 2 + 2 = 4.  I just spent a dinner the other night listening to an economic genius who actually manages peoples money for a living talk about how we need a massive amount of new financial regulations to prevent another catastrophe.  College educated.  Then he went on about how net neutrality was the best thing evar or else netflix would be forced to raise it's prices.  He finished his rant with a poorly composed lecture on how the government needs to work for the people again, instead of business.  That was the give away.  Moments later, he started snarling about Sarah Palin, and while she is not the brightest bulb on the tree, the drooling haters are typically retards.  Certainly the case with this knob. He washed down a sip of dick and belched out some tea-party bile and at that point I was just stirring my Kung Pao Chicken wishing a meteor would hit the building and kill us all.  He might be my BIL soon.  The first one to be a total retard.  I thought I may have lucked out with 4 good BILs.  Only one more to go, and yep, he's a dolt.



The people in this country don't lack knowledge as much as they lack the ability to reason.  Rationalizing pre-determined beliefs is the new "intelligent".






 
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 8:42:21 AM EDT
[#47]
Quoted:
Quoted:
If I recall, the US Corporate payroll tax is 35% and other countries are as low as 6%.

If we lower this tax we may be able to keep more jobs here.

ETA: it is called the Corporate income tax and it is 35%


It should be 0%.

Taxes should be collected at the point where that income is distributed as dividends in order to achieve two things:

1)  Allow companies to fully reinvest profits into new plants and equipment
2)  Eliminate one of the major incentives to base operations off shore

Ironically enough, both of those consequences would result in not only more jobs but also a larger tax base as people with good jobs pay more taxes.  It is so incredibly logical that we eliminate the corporate income tax.  The only challenge is getting the mouth breathers to understand the concept.



Yes that would create more jobs, but what about the problem of those companies taking those jobs overseas...
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 8:43:09 AM EDT
[#48]
Does Burndy do the same thing?
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 8:43:10 AM EDT
[#49]
Quoted:
Too many morons think that the only reason a business exists is to provide them with a job.


Yep. And they post on arf. A lot.

Txl
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 8:43:29 AM EDT
[#50]
Quoted:
Walmart sells $17 billion dollars worth of foreign made goods, and $147 billion dollars worth of US made goods.


Well, you have not been keeping up with ARFCOM wisdom.

Everything at WalMart is from China, thus "Chinamart".
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