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Posted: 8/3/2009 1:14:54 PM EST
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2307367/posts

It was a scenario U.S. law enforcement had long feared: A fragmentation grenade from Mexico's bloody drug war tossed into a public place.

Only the grenade thrower's bumbling prevented bloodshed in a south Texas bar.....But the act was proof that one of the deadliest weapons in Mexico's drug battle is a real threat to the U.S.....

While Mexican drug violence has been spilling across the border in the form of kidnappings and killings, grenades are a particular worry because they can kill large numbers of people indiscriminately, and a weapon of choice among Mexican cartel members.

In Mexico, .... three alleged drug hit men threw several grenades into crowds of Independence Day revelers, killing eight people and wounding 106 others .....

The weapons are preferred by drug hitmen because they are cheap and easy to find. Many are left over from Central America's civil wars and sold on the black market to drug cartels. Some are brought in by weapons smugglers. Others are diverted from the region's militaries.....

And there is evidence that those grenades are making their way north..... all three grenades were manufactured at the same time and place, and were at one point together in the same batch from South Korea.

The Mexican military seized 165 grenades and 14 sticks of TNT belonging to the Gulf cartel in the November raid of a house in Reynosa, Mexico, a dozen miles south of McAllen, Texas.....

The grenades sold legally to help U.S. allies in the region are snatched by corrupt soldiers who get paid by former colleagues, then cover their tracks by altering paperwork.

Scott Stewart, a vice president for the global intelligence firm Stratfor..... said an even more daunting challenge in trying to prevent grenade smuggling into the United States is the porousness of the border.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 1:15:47 PM EST
I thought the M67s and M4s were coming FROM the US...
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 1:16:38 PM EST
Maybe we could build a big fence?
Maybe we could enforce our existing immigration laws?

Nah probably racist anyway.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 1:18:59 PM EST
Originally Posted By rcatesbiana:
I thought the M67s and M4s were coming FROM the US...

Exactly, I thought all the full autos, grenades, RPGs, etc were all being purchased at US gunshows and stores and going TO Mexico. At least that's what the TV said.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 1:19:18 PM EST
Oh boy...
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 1:21:00 PM EST
Oh Shit, the Grenades that Came from the U.S. and went to the Mexican Cartels, found there way back on to our streets This is a sad sad day
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 1:21:27 PM EST
Originally Posted By rcatesbiana:
I thought the M67s and M4s were coming FROM the US...


"The grenades sold legally to help U.S. allies in the region are snatched by corrupt soldiers who get paid by former colleagues, then cover their tracks by altering paperwork."

Maybe Mexico buys them from our Government and then their Military sells them the the cartels...

I vote we... Arrest the US Government for supplying weapons to the cartels.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 1:21:41 PM EST
Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Originally Posted By rcatesbiana:
I thought the M67s and M4s were coming FROM the US...

Exactly, I thought all the full autos, grenades, RPGs, etc were all being purchased at US gunshows and stores and going TO Mexico. At least that's what the TV said.


There must be some sort of mistake. Only hard working folk who want to feed their family come North.....

Link Posted: 8/3/2009 1:21:56 PM EST
....but....but.....the drugs are still okay, right?
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 1:23:24 PM EST
Every now and then you hear about a guy finding a grenade in a garage or in the attic of a house.

I long to be that guy.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 1:23:39 PM EST
I was at Big 5 Sporting Goods the other day, they were all out of frags.... AGAIN!!

What I worry about is one RPG making it into the country- it could end the airline industry, I'm kind of surprised it has never happened with the border being the way it is. I mean if they can smuggle TONS of drugs at a time, I'm sure enough payola could get an RPG thrown on the drug route, to be picked up on the other side. Scary thought.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 1:24:34 PM EST
Originally Posted By SevenMaryThree:
Every now and then you hear about a guy finding a grenade in a garage or in the attic of a house.

I long to be that guy.




––––––––––––––––

ban grenades in mexico, it's the only way
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 1:25:00 PM EST
I blame Bush and Obama for their abject failure in keeping our borders secure.

Fucking "agendas". No President should EVER have an agenda going into office unless it concerns the safety of our borders, currency or foreign trade.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 1:28:07 PM EST
Originally Posted By rcatesbiana:
I thought the M67s and M4s were coming FROM the US...


this
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 1:30:40 PM EST

Originally Posted By superjc:
I was at Big 5 Sporting Goods the other day, they were all out of frags.... AGAIN!!

What I worry about is one RPG making it into the country- it could end the airline industry, I'm kind of surprised it has never happened with the border being the way it is. I mean if they can smuggle TONS of drugs at a time, I'm sure enough payola could get an RPG thrown on the drug route, to be picked up on the other side. Scary thought.

A plane getting smoked in the USA by a RPG would be very bad for the cartel's drug trade. They are capitalist not idealogical like the islamofascists. They would not allow something like that to happen.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 1:34:29 PM EST
Originally Posted By SevenMaryThree:
Every now and then you hear about a guy finding a grenade in a garage or in the attic of a house.

I long to be that guy.


I'd rather be the guy that finds a grenade that you don't hear about.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 1:35:54 PM EST
Originally Posted By Schadenfreuda:
I blame Bush and Obama for their abject failure in keeping our borders secure.

Fucking "agendas". No President should EVER have an agenda going into office unless it concerns the safety of our borders, currency or foreign trade.


Good luck with that one!
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 1:37:38 PM EST
haha, 100% of illegal hand grenades come from Mexico, what SHOULD WE DO?
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 1:38:44 PM EST
Originally Posted By SevenMaryThree:
Every now and then you hear about a guy finding a grenade in a garage or in the attic of a house.

I long to be that guy.


The only problem with a scenario like this, is finding an interesting way to use it!

I bet it would shred the hell out of a mailbox.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 1:39:29 PM EST
Originally Posted By Partisan:
Maybe we could build a big fence?
Maybe we could enforce our existing immigration laws?

Nah probably racist anyway.


Racism will not be tolerated here

- CTD
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 1:41:09 PM EST

Originally Posted By rcatesbiana:
I thought the M67s and M4s were coming FROM the US...

THIS
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 1:43:42 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/3/2009 1:52:25 PM EST by ScrapHeap]
Good, let the ATF worry about something more important than hassling us poor gun-clingers.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 1:52:16 PM EST
Originally Posted By mcooper:
haha, 100% of illegal hand grenades come from Mexico, what SHOULD WE DO?

Arf.com group buy?

Link Posted: 8/3/2009 1:58:14 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 1:59:40 PM EST
Originally Posted By AeroE:


There's a couple of decades or three fighting the War on Drugs; surely the US .gov learned something about stopping smuggling in that time.



your overestimation of the human race is showing
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 2:03:53 PM EST
Where do I get these?
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 2:05:06 PM EST
Originally Posted By superjc:
I was at Big 5 Sporting Goods the other day, they were all out of frags.... AGAIN!!

What I worry about is one RPG making it into the country- it could end the airline industry, I'm kind of surprised it has never happened with the border being the way it is. I mean if they can smuggle TONS of drugs at a time, I'm sure enough payola could get an RPG thrown on the drug route, to be picked up on the other side. Scary thought.


Unfortunately something like that is what it is going to take before our fuck-stain politicians lock down that border. That or one of their kids or spouses or parents get wacked by some illegal.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 2:07:11 PM EST
Originally Posted By MEH:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2307367/posts

It was a scenario U.S. law enforcement had long feared: A fragmentation grenade from Mexico's bloody drug war tossed into a public place.

Only the grenade thrower's bumbling prevented bloodshed in a south Texas bar.....But the act was proof that one of the deadliest weapons in Mexico's drug battle is a real threat to the U.S.....

While Mexican drug violence has been spilling across the border in the form of kidnappings and killings, grenades are a particular worry because they can kill large numbers of people indiscriminately, and a weapon of choice among Mexican cartel members.

In Mexico, .... three alleged drug hit men threw several grenades into crowds of Independence Day revelers, killing eight people and wounding 106 others .....

The weapons are preferred by drug hitmen because they are cheap and easy to find. Many are left over from Central America's civil wars and sold on the black market to drug cartels. Some are brought in by weapons smugglers. Others are diverted from the region's militaries.....
And there is evidence that those grenades are making their way north..... all three grenades were manufactured at the same time and place, and were at one point together in the same batch from South Korea.

The Mexican military seized 165 grenades and 14 sticks of TNT belonging to the Gulf cartel in the November raid of a house in Reynosa, Mexico, a dozen miles south of McAllen, Texas.....

The grenades sold legally to help U.S. allies in the region are snatched by corrupt soldiers who get paid by former colleagues, then cover their tracks by altering paperwork.

Scott Stewart, a vice president for the global intelligence firm Stratfor..... said an even more daunting challenge in trying to prevent grenade smuggling into the United States is the porousness of the border.


Third world piece of shit with hand grenades. We can't get them because our oppressive government uses the strongarm to stop manf. from selling them, but any poppy-pedlar from centromexiguatatina can pick them up at the flea market.

Fuck this bullshit government.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 2:08:25 PM EST
Good...you mean I don't have to save my tannerite for when the SHTF..
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 2:22:51 PM EST
Originally Posted By rcatesbiana:
I thought the M67s and M4s were coming FROM the US...

So did I.

It's about time the weaponry started moving in the right direction!
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 2:50:58 PM EST
Originally Posted By AllserviceBilliards:
Third world piece of shit with hand grenades. We can't get them because our oppressive government uses the strongarm to stop manf. from selling them, but any poppy-pedlar from centromexiguatatina can pick them up at the flea market.

Fuck this bullshit government.

Ummm no. USGI M67s that we sent south.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 3:15:24 PM EST
It is just me, or whenever a story is written by the MSM, that whatever weapon or munition is being discussed, it is the "weapon or choice" for whatever group of scumbags is being discussed?
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 3:16:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Originally Posted By rcatesbiana:
I thought the M67s and M4s were coming FROM the US...

Exactly, I thought all the full autos, grenades, RPGs, etc were all being purchased at US gunshows and stores and going TO Mexico. At least that's what the TV said.


this.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 3:25:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By ScrapHeap:
Good, let the ATF worry about something more important than hassling us poor gun-clingers.
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/5048/lolimatf.jpg


The ATF agent that uses his pistol as an earplug is missing. :)
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 3:26:40 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/3/2009 3:28:05 PM EST by WildApple]
Originally Posted By Partisan:
Maybe we could build a big fence?
Maybe we could enforce our existing immigration laws?

Nah probably racist anyway.


YEP THAT'S RACIST!

HOWEVER

We better get started before Mexico builds one with One Way Revolving Turnstile Doors
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 3:30:34 PM EST
Originally Posted By joe-bananas:
It is just me, or whenever a story is written by the MSM, that whatever weapon or munition is being discussed, it is the "weapon or choice" for whatever group of scumbags is being discussed?


Yup, they're never just making do with whatever's on sale at Grenades R Us, it's always the "... of choice".
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 3:31:06 PM EST
Originally Posted By joe-bananas:
It is just me, or whenever a story is written by the MSM, that whatever weapon or munition is being discussed, it is the "weapon or choice" for whatever group of scumbags is being discussed?


I noticed that as well. AK-47s, FN FiveseveNs, AR-15s, hand grenades...boy, these mexican hitmen have a lot of choices!
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 3:33:03 PM EST
Outside the USA for the right amount of money they can be obtained
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 3:41:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/3/2009 3:42:14 PM EST by MEH]
Originally Posted By cobra-ak:
Outside the USA for the right amount of money they can be obtained


$6.00 each?





Or two for $10...
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 3:49:50 PM EST
I know where a live 20mm HE projectile is buried, or was 40+ years ago. Prior to that it spent the years after 1945 soaking in a can of oil in a shed.

I doubt it's much good even if it's still there.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 3:55:06 PM EST
Originally Posted By Wehrmacht_Sniper:
Where do I get these?


Taco Bell!!!

Link Posted: 8/3/2009 3:58:25 PM EST
Originally Posted By rcatesbiana:
Originally Posted By AllserviceBilliards:
Third world piece of shit with hand grenades. We can't get them because our oppressive government uses the strongarm to stop manf. from selling them, but any poppy-pedlar from centromexiguatatina can pick them up at the flea market.

Fuck this bullshit government.

Ummm no. USGI M67s that we sent south.



I thought they were Korean.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 4:01:57 PM EST
Originally Posted By Gamma762:
Originally Posted By rcatesbiana:
I thought the M67s and M4s were coming FROM the US...

Exactly, I thought all the full autos, grenades, RPGs, etc were all being purchased at US gunshows and stores and going TO Mexico. At least that's what the TV said.



That's what they are wanting everyone to believe, surprised in the article it didn't say they were suspected of being smuggled from the US.
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 5:02:52 PM EST
Originally Posted By MEH:
Originally Posted By cobra-ak:
Outside the USA for the right amount of money they can be obtained


$6.00 each?





Or two for $10...
Brazilian cops had stumbled into favela traffickers cache, most of them were sold back to the traffikers....all the grenades had disappeared form the Brazilian Army without a trace until then.

Link Posted: 8/3/2009 5:06:05 PM EST
So if the ice cream truck sells AKs, does Manuel''s Hot Tamale Stand now sell M67s?

I know where I'm getting lunch tommorow
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 5:14:50 PM EST
Wait until somebody figures out they can lob 40 mike mikes over the fence!
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 5:21:26 PM EST
Originally Posted By rcatesbiana:
I thought the M67s and M4s were coming FROM the US...


Typical Democrats! There's finally an export market for U.S. goods and they want to shut it down...



TC


Link Posted: 8/3/2009 6:30:27 PM EST
Originally Posted By Milo5:
Wait until somebody figures out they can lob 40 mike mikes over the fence!


Even better, wait until someone starts lobbing 60mm mortar rounds over the fence.

Link Posted: 8/3/2009 6:38:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/3/2009 6:41:04 PM EST by PROFESSORCHAOS]
Oh, so now they don't get their fucking weapons from us? Last I heard grenades and full auto MGs could be bought at gunshows here without so much as a background check...
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 6:39:38 PM EST
Somebody threw a Glock?
Link Posted: 8/3/2009 6:41:19 PM EST
where the fuck can i get some fucking gernades?
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