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Posted: 6/14/2009 6:16:00 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/14/2009 6:17:50 AM EST by Suuko]
So for the past few weeks I've seen commercials on TV telling the viewer to contact their reps to tell them you want free medical and that its a success and working...

No doubt our tax dollars are running these ads. This is ridiculous.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 6:27:39 AM EST
It is time for this to come to the USA
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 6:31:14 AM EST
Originally Posted By leaddog:
It is time for this to come to the USA


Maybe in your reality..

But its not wanted here..

Were already broke. Why do we have to be more broke?
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 6:32:18 AM EST
Originally Posted By Win_88:
Originally Posted By leaddog:
It is time for this to come to the USA


Maybe in your reality..

But its not wanted here..

Were already broke. Why do we have to be more broke?


I think this is America and anyone that don't want it can refuse to sign up for it
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 6:33:38 AM EST
Originally Posted By leaddog:
Originally Posted By Win_88:
Originally Posted By leaddog:
It is time for this to come to the USA


Maybe in your reality..

But its not wanted here..

Were already broke. Why do we have to be more broke?


I think this is America and anyone that don't want it can refuse to sign up for it


Right, and still fucking pay for it?

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 6:34:32 AM EST
The only commericials i have seen were against free healthcare.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 6:42:04 AM EST
Originally Posted By leaddog:
Originally Posted By Win_88:
Originally Posted By leaddog:
It is time for this to come to the USA


Maybe in your reality..

But its not wanted here..

Were already broke. Why do we have to be more broke?


I think this is America and anyone that don't want it can refuse to sign up for it


I think most people are too stupid to understand that "free" isn't free. Just to educate you a little, if I refuse "free" health care, my health benefits from my wife's work place and mine will be taxed.....as It's going to cost me a shit ton to keep my already expensive health care benefits.

Dumb shits all of them.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 6:46:48 AM EST
I don't know how to feel about this anymore.

I don't think people should be forced to pay for other people's medical bills.

However, I also think that if you are going to live and work in society, it's just basic common decency to make sure that the sick get the help they need. I think it should bother everyone to 'step over a dying person on the way to work'.

That being said, I've never had health insurance. And the one time when I faced high bills... A church stepped in and volunteered to pay the big portion of my bill. So there are means that exist now for poor people with no insurance.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 6:49:39 AM EST
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 6:50:11 AM EST
This is the same bullshit that got (the)Clinton(s) elected AND reelected.

Obama is just waving his arms higher in the air and braying a little bit louder than they did.

This is great material for the "Never Ending Campaign" and will keep the libtards all glassy eyed for a long time.

It will die down eventually and somewhere down the line someone will say "Hey! WTF happened to our free health care?"

Then the same bullshit shuffle will ensue.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 6:56:29 AM EST
I have nothing but the utmost contempt for the man. Whatever ills come his way are well deserved.

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 6:59:07 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/14/2009 7:06:02 AM EST by AeroE]
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 7:00:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/14/2009 7:01:28 AM EST by Max_Mike]
Originally Posted By leaddog:
Originally Posted By Win_88:
Originally Posted By leaddog:
It is time for this to come to the USA


Maybe in your reality..

But its not wanted here..

Were already broke. Why do we have to be more broke?


I think this is America and anyone that don't want it can refuse to sign up for it


You are not thinking at all.

Except that is not what has been proposed… pay attention it will be mandatory you will not be able to refuse.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 7:00:57 AM EST
And there are MDs wanting it too. So they can make $70k a year and not have to worry about insurance. No malpractice either, meaning lawyers will be stuck out in the cold.

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 7:03:00 AM EST
Originally Posted By Keith_J:
And there are MDs wanting it too. So they can make $70k a year and not have to worry about insurance. No malpractice either, meaning lawyers will be stuck out in the cold.



A lot of very bad doctors do want it for just this reason.

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 7:04:13 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/14/2009 7:05:12 AM EST by Mazeman]
Doctors from all over the world want to practice here.

Patients from all over the world want their care here.

And Obama wants us to change into Canada?!
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 7:05:35 AM EST
I am thinking a massive tax holiday is going to be in order soon.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 7:05:51 AM EST
Originally Posted By guns762:
Originally Posted By leaddog:
Originally Posted By Win_88:
Originally Posted By leaddog:
It is time for this to come to the USA


Maybe in your reality..

But its not wanted here..

Were already broke. Why do we have to be more broke?


I think this is America and anyone that don't want it can refuse to sign up for it


I think most people are too stupid to understand that "free" isn't free. Just to educate you a little, if I refuse "free" health care, my health benefits from my wife's work place and mine will be taxed.....as It's going to cost me a shit ton to keep my already expensive health care benefits.

Dumb shits all of them.


You will be assimilated

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 7:07:38 AM EST
Anything that's "free" is neither free nor worth the cost.


I will not latch onto the .gov tit. I know damned well that the milk is poisoned.


CJ

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 7:08:18 AM EST
Originally Posted By Win_88:
Originally Posted By leaddog:
It is time for this to come to the USA


Maybe in your reality..

But its not wanted here..

Were already broke. Why do we have to be more broke?


This
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 7:10:21 AM EST
Instead of having the best care at a price, we will have poor care that is free. And you will wait for all care, in lines like you do at the DMV for your license/tags.

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 7:14:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By leaddog:
Originally Posted By Win_88:
Originally Posted By leaddog:
It is time for this to come to the USA


Maybe in your reality..

But its not wanted here..

Were already broke. Why do we have to be more broke?


I think this is America and anyone that don't want it can refuse to sign up for it


There can be no refusal because that would draw talent away from public health.

Right now, the best are drawn to profit, the worst go into public health. Under ubongo's plan, ALL will be forced into the same care.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 8:37:37 AM EST
Originally Posted By leaddog:
It is time for this to come to the USA


Let's see:
low post count,
not paying for a membership,
posting something like this.

What, if any, conclusion might I draw?

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:14:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/14/2009 10:14:35 AM EST by Rabon]
Medical Industry brought it on themselves.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:19:26 AM EST
Originally Posted By Keith_J:
And there are MDs wanting it too. So they can make $70k a year and not have to worry about insurance. No malpractice either, meaning lawyers will be stuck out in the cold.



Actually, any element of tort reform is suspiciously lacking in the .gov health care proposals the Dims are discussing.

Don't think for a minute the Dims will throw the Trial Lawyers under the bus.






Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:21:07 AM EST
Originally Posted By Rabon:
Medical Industry brought it on themselves.


Check yourself. Government is the one who ultimately brought this about, and now we're supposed to believe that they're the only ones we can turn to for a fix. Yeah. Okay.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:21:40 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/14/2009 11:08:29 AM EST by Bubbatheredneck]
Originally Posted By Rabon:
Medical Insurance Industry brought it on themselves.


The notion that you only have a limited financial exposure to unlimited benefits is what did it.

The idea that $20 buys you the best specialist or the latest medicine is false and not sustainable..



Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:25:59 AM EST
Originally Posted By Eazy_E:
Originally Posted By Rabon:
Medical Industry brought it on themselves.


Check yourself. Government is the one who ultimately brought this about, and now we're supposed to believe that they're the only ones we can turn to for a fix. Yeah. Okay.
The Government can't fix anything, it does not change the fact they brought it on themselves.

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:32:22 AM EST
Originally Posted By Rabon:
Medical Industry brought it on themselves.


What, exactly, is the "Medical Industry"?

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 10:57:33 AM EST
Originally Posted By runcible:
Originally Posted By Rabon:
Medical Industry brought it on themselves.


What, exactly, is the "Medical Industry"?



He must mean the government.

Or else he's retarded.

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:04:21 AM EST
Originally Posted By runcible:
Originally Posted By Rabon:
Medical Industry brought it on themselves.


What, exactly, is the "Medical Industry"?



You know, those greedy capitalist pigs who expect to be paid for the services they provide at all hours.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:08:55 AM EST
Originally Posted By Rabon:
Originally Posted By Eazy_E:
Originally Posted By Rabon:
Medical Industry brought it on themselves.


Check yourself. Government is the one who ultimately brought this about, and now we're supposed to believe that they're the only ones we can turn to for a fix. Yeah. Okay.
The Government can't fix anything, it does not change the fact they brought it on themselves.



Who the fuck is they?

You do realize knucklehead between Medicare and Medicaid almost half of the current “Medical Industry” is basically funded and dictated as to how it is run by the Government… how do you think that is working out.

Tell us who brought what on again.


Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:20:29 AM EST
Originally Posted By JacobsandApples:
I don't know how to feel about this anymore.

I don't think people should be forced to pay for other people's medical bills.

However, I also think that if you are going to live and work in society, it's just basic common decency to make sure that the sick get the help they need. I think it should bother everyone to 'step over a dying person on the way to work'.

That being said, I've never had health insurance. And the one time when I faced high bills... A church stepped in and volunteered to pay the big portion of my bill. So there are means that exist now for poor people with no insurance.


Hello
You already do
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:28:49 AM EST
Originally Posted By leaddog:
Originally Posted By Win_88:
Originally Posted By leaddog:
It is time for this to come to the USA


Maybe in your reality..

But its not wanted here..

Were already broke. Why do we have to be more broke?


I think this is America and anyone that don't want it can refuse to sign up for it


Can any taxpayer refuse to pay for this shit??
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:31:48 AM EST
Originally Posted By Keith_J:
And there are MDs wanting it too. So they can make $70k a year and not have to worry about insurance. No malpractice either, meaning lawyers will be stuck out in the cold.



Yeah, just wait for a Democrat to leave a trial lawyer stuck in the cold.....
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 11:37:50 AM EST
every time i turn on the radio and put it on 830 AM (our main news station here) it is chock full of liberal propaganda.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 12:20:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/14/2009 12:21:00 PM EST by Popobawa]
Originally Posted By Russkie:
every time i turn on the radio and put it on 830 AM (our main news station here) it is chock full of liberal propaganda.


List to 1280 am or 100.3 fm instead.

Link Posted: 6/14/2009 12:26:21 PM EST
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 12:30:06 PM EST
it's coming.

Guess how it will be paid for? fast food tax, sugar tax, pop tax, more alcohol, tax, health benefits tax, ect.

ANd then part of it will have the govt regulating even more how you live your life.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 12:37:13 PM EST
So Obama and his thugs are going to lower the quality of life for me and my family by sucking extra money out of my paycheck to pay for others medical costs. If you ask me we need to yell, scream, call, write, and march in the streets against this. This is nothing but class warfare bullshit. We need to get organized heavily NOW...
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 12:43:16 PM EST
It'll also create even more of a two-tiered medical system.

The rich will recieve different care than the rest. There will be certain docs and facilities that won't take the government plan.

Sort of like private schools. Everyone pays for the public schools, but the rich are able to double down, and pay for the higher quality private schools on top of that. This is what happened in Canada, and it was even outlawed for a while.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 12:44:49 PM EST
Originally Posted By Mazeman:
It'll also create even more of a two-tiered medical system.

The rich will recieve different care than the rest. There will be certain docs and facilities that won't take the government plan.

Sort of like private schools. Everyone pays for the public schools, but the rich are able to double down, and pay for the higher quality private schools on top of that. This is what happened in Canada, and it was even outlawed for a while.


So is this what private insurance would pay for? The better care at the better facilities? Or is this strictly out of pocket payments?
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 12:47:31 PM EST
Originally Posted By Bubbatheredneck:
Originally Posted By Keith_J:
And there are MDs wanting it too. So they can make $70k a year and not have to worry about insurance. No malpractice either, meaning lawyers will be stuck out in the cold.



Actually, any element of tort reform is suspiciously lacking in the .gov health care proposals the Dims are discussing.

Don't think for a minute the Dims will throw the Trial Lawyers under the bus.








Correct. It will be working for less than half the pay, and you'll still have all the liability.

70K a year? that would be about 30 percent LESS than what I made as a military doc... and I would still have to pay my 35K-per-year malpractice insrance out of that.

Sorry... they can get f*cked if that's their plan.

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Link Posted: 6/14/2009 12:59:30 PM EST
Originally Posted By Mazeman:
It'll also create even more of a two-tiered medical system.

The rich will recieve different care than the rest. There will be certain docs and facilities that won't take the government plan.

Sort of like private schools. Everyone pays for the public schools, but the rich are able to double down, and pay for the higher quality private schools on top of that. This is what happened in Canada, and it was even outlawed for a while.


I seem to recall one of our resident Aussies saying that over 40% of their population had private health insurance.

As for Canada, you've got to wonder about a country that has to make private insurance illegal. (Took their Supreme Court to overturn that, I believe.)



Link Posted: 6/14/2009 1:51:01 PM EST
I got a feeling the AMA was a big contributor to the Kenyan, so the docs and medical industry will probably be OK as long as the funds keep coming in. The big loser will be the people who have to use the system. Can anyone name one government program that works efficiently and well?
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 1:52:48 PM EST
Originally Posted By leaddog:
It is time for this to come to the USA


Link Posted: 6/14/2009 2:17:55 PM EST
Originally Posted By leaddog:
It is time for this to come to the USA


it is time for you to move to canda or england.


Link Posted: 6/14/2009 3:35:36 PM EST

Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Originally Posted By Bubbatheredneck:
Originally Posted By Keith_J:
And there are MDs wanting it too. So they can make $70k a year and not have to worry about insurance. No malpractice either, meaning lawyers will be stuck out in the cold.



Actually, any element of tort reform is suspiciously lacking in the .gov health care proposals the Dims are discussing.

Don't think for a minute the Dims will throw the Trial Lawyers under the bus.



Correct. It will be working for less than half the pay, and you'll still have all the liability.

70K a year? that would be about 30 percent LESS than what I made as a military doc... and I would still have to pay my 35K-per-year malpractice insrance out of that.

Sorry... they can get f*cked if that's their plan.

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What will you do? You either have your federal health care worker card which allows you to work as a medical professional or you work in another field.

A government large enough to provide you with everything is large enough to take everything away.
Link Posted: 6/14/2009 4:08:46 PM EST
It has gotten to the point that I cannot use words to express the level of sheer idiocy I see in our govt on a daily basis. So instead, I offer you this:





Link Posted: 6/14/2009 4:13:34 PM EST
Originally Posted By leaddog:
It is time for this to come to the USA






Link Posted: 6/14/2009 4:16:41 PM EST
Originally Posted By n3awalk3r:
If you ask me we need to yell, scream, call, write, and march in the streets against this.



What, at 7PM when most are done with their shifts and commute?

Skip work to attend protests and you'll be in the cheese line too
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