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Posted: 6/14/2009 7:27:39 AM EDT
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It is time for this to come to the USA
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Posted: 6/14/2009 7:31:14 AM EDT
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It is time for this to come to the USA Maybe in your reality.. But its not wanted here.. Were already broke. Why do we have to be more broke? 
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Posted: 6/14/2009 7:32:18 AM EDT
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It is time for this to come to the USA Maybe in your reality.. But its not wanted here.. Were already broke. Why do we have to be more broke? I think this is America and anyone that don't want it can refuse to sign up for it |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 7:33:38 AM EDT
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It is time for this to come to the USA Maybe in your reality.. But its not wanted here.. Were already broke. Why do we have to be more broke? I think this is America and anyone that don't want it can refuse to sign up for it Right, and still fucking pay for it? |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 7:34:32 AM EDT
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The only commericials i have seen were against free healthcare.
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Posted: 6/14/2009 7:42:04 AM EDT
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It is time for this to come to the USA Maybe in your reality.. But its not wanted here.. Were already broke. Why do we have to be more broke? I think this is America and anyone that don't want it can refuse to sign up for it I think most people are too stupid to understand that "free" isn't free. Just to educate you a little, if I refuse "free" health care, my health benefits from my wife's work place and mine will be taxed.....as It's going to cost me a shit ton to keep my already expensive health care benefits. Dumb shits all of them.
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Posted: 6/14/2009 7:46:48 AM EDT
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I don't know how to feel about this anymore.
I don't think people should be forced to pay for other people's medical bills. However, I also think that if you are going to live and work in society, it's just basic common decency to make sure that the sick get the help they need. I think it should bother everyone to 'step over a dying person on the way to work'. That being said, I've never had health insurance. And the one time when I faced high bills... A church stepped in and volunteered to pay the big portion of my bill. So there are means that exist now for poor people with no insurance. |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 7:49:39 AM EDT
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Yep. The public is being sold the notion that the economy is in fine shape and now The Kenyan has turned his attention to ramming NHC down our throats. He will do this by doubling the national debt to $20 trillion dollars. This would be 4 times the debt with which GW Bush started.
The drum beat will likely increase this week. The words said by Joe Biden and The Kenyan make their intent clear, "There will be national health care". Those are Joe Biden's words today. The Kenyan uttered essentially an identical comment last week. Our new commie, leaddog, is noted. |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 7:50:11 AM EDT
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This is the same bullshit that got (the)Clinton(s) elected AND reelected.
Obama is just waving his arms higher in the air and braying a little bit louder than they did. This is great material for the "Never Ending Campaign" and will keep the libtards all glassy eyed for a long time. It will die down eventually and somewhere down the line someone will say "Hey! WTF happened to our free health care?" Then the same bullshit shuffle will ensue. |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 7:56:29 AM EDT
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I have nothing but the utmost contempt for the man. Whatever ills come his way are well deserved.
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Posted: 6/14/2009 7:59:07 AM EDT
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I don't know how to feel about this anymore. I don't think people should be forced to pay for other people's medical bills. However, I also think that if you are going to live and work in society, it's just basic common decency to make sure that the sick get the help they need. I think it should bother everyone to 'step over a dying person on the way to work'. That being said, I've never had health insurance. And the one time when I faced high bills... A church stepped in and volunteered to pay the big portion of my bill. So there are means that exist now for poor people with no insurance. Common decency has boundaries. The greater part of the problem with the existing enormously expensive public health care "system" is abuse. The consumers have no incentive to take only what is needed, or to take personal responsibility for their own health. The providers have no incentive to extract only the pay to provide the care required; instead, the enormous pot of money is incentive to provide "care" beyond that required, particularly by expensive diagnostic testing, not to waste and fraud, particularly from the suppliers of equipment and aids. Personal responsibility includes an element of common decency towards those that are paying for their free health care. Here's a recent summary of the US budget - that means it does not include the budgets of individual states added to those of HHS and Social Security. Keep in mind that Social Security pays for many programs that should rightly be labeled "WELFARE", not just pensions for old folks. That last line item for the Treasury is huge because of the money borrowed to pay for HHS and Social Security. 
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Posted: 6/14/2009 8:00:45 AM EDT
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It is time for this to come to the USA Maybe in your reality.. But its not wanted here.. Were already broke. Why do we have to be more broke? I think this is America and anyone that don't want it can refuse to sign up for it You are not thinking at all. Except that is not what has been proposed… pay attention it will be mandatory you will not be able to refuse. |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 8:00:57 AM EDT
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And there are MDs wanting it too. So they can make $70k a year and not have to worry about insurance. No malpractice either, meaning lawyers will be stuck out in the cold.
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Posted: 6/14/2009 8:03:00 AM EDT
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And there are MDs wanting it too. So they can make $70k a year and not have to worry about insurance. No malpractice either, meaning lawyers will be stuck out in the cold. A lot of very bad doctors do want it for just this reason. |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 8:04:13 AM EDT
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Doctors from all over the world want to practice here.
Patients from all over the world want their care here. And Obama wants us to change into Canada?! |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 8:05:35 AM EDT
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I am thinking a massive tax holiday is going to be in order soon.
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Posted: 6/14/2009 8:05:51 AM EDT
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It is time for this to come to the USA Maybe in your reality.. But its not wanted here.. Were already broke. Why do we have to be more broke? I think this is America and anyone that don't want it can refuse to sign up for it I think most people are too stupid to understand that "free" isn't free. Just to educate you a little, if I refuse "free" health care, my health benefits from my wife's work place and mine will be taxed.....as It's going to cost me a shit ton to keep my already expensive health care benefits. Dumb shits all of them.
You will be assimilated 
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Posted: 6/14/2009 8:07:38 AM EDT
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Anything that's "free" is neither free nor worth the cost.
I will not latch onto the .gov tit. I know damned well that the milk is poisoned. CJ |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 8:08:18 AM EDT
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It is time for this to come to the USA Maybe in your reality.. But its not wanted here.. Were already broke. Why do we have to be more broke? This |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 8:10:21 AM EDT
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Instead of having the best care at a price, we will have poor care that is free. And you will wait for all care, in lines like you do at the DMV for your license/tags.
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Posted: 6/14/2009 8:14:44 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It is time for this to come to the USA Maybe in your reality.. But its not wanted here.. Were already broke. Why do we have to be more broke? I think this is America and anyone that don't want it can refuse to sign up for it There can be no refusal because that would draw talent away from public health. Right now, the best are drawn to profit, the worst go into public health. Under ubongo's plan, ALL will be forced into the same care. |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 9:37:37 AM EDT
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It is time for this to come to the USA Let's see: low post count, not paying for a membership, posting something like this. What, if any, conclusion might I draw? |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 11:14:08 AM EDT
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Medical Industry brought it on themselves.
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Posted: 6/14/2009 11:19:26 AM EDT
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And there are MDs wanting it too. So they can make $70k a year and not have to worry about insurance. No malpractice either, meaning lawyers will be stuck out in the cold. Actually, any element of tort reform is suspiciously lacking in the .gov health care proposals the Dims are discussing. Don't think for a minute the Dims will throw the Trial Lawyers under the bus. |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 11:21:07 AM EDT
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Medical Industry brought it on themselves. Check yourself. Government is the one who ultimately brought this about, and now we're supposed to believe that they're the only ones we can turn to for a fix. Yeah. Okay. |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 11:21:40 AM EDT
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Medical Insurance Industry brought it on themselves. The notion that you only have a limited financial exposure to unlimited benefits is what did it. The idea that $20 buys you the best specialist or the latest medicine is false and not sustainable.. |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 11:25:59 AM EDT
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The Government can't fix anything, it does not change the fact they brought it on themselves.
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Medical Industry brought it on themselves. Check yourself. Government is the one who ultimately brought this about, and now we're supposed to believe that they're the only ones we can turn to for a fix. Yeah. Okay. |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 11:32:22 AM EDT
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Medical Industry brought it on themselves. What, exactly, is the "Medical Industry"? |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 11:57:33 AM EDT
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Medical Industry brought it on themselves. What, exactly, is the "Medical Industry"? He must mean the government. Or else he's retarded. |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 12:04:21 PM EDT
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Medical Industry brought it on themselves. What, exactly, is the "Medical Industry"? You know, those greedy capitalist pigs who expect to be paid for the services they provide at all hours. |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 12:08:55 PM EDT
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The Government can't fix anything, it does not change the fact they brought it on themselves.
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Medical Industry brought it on themselves. Check yourself. Government is the one who ultimately brought this about, and now we're supposed to believe that they're the only ones we can turn to for a fix. Yeah. Okay. Who the fuck is they? You do realize knucklehead between Medicare and Medicaid almost half of the current “Medical Industry” is basically funded and dictated as to how it is run by the Government… how do you think that is working out. Tell us who brought what on again. |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 12:20:29 PM EDT
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I don't know how to feel about this anymore. I don't think people should be forced to pay for other people's medical bills. However, I also think that if you are going to live and work in society, it's just basic common decency to make sure that the sick get the help they need. I think it should bother everyone to 'step over a dying person on the way to work'. That being said, I've never had health insurance. And the one time when I faced high bills... A church stepped in and volunteered to pay the big portion of my bill. So there are means that exist now for poor people with no insurance. Hello You already do |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 12:28:49 PM EDT
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It is time for this to come to the USA Maybe in your reality.. But its not wanted here.. Were already broke. Why do we have to be more broke? I think this is America and anyone that don't want it can refuse to sign up for it Can any taxpayer refuse to pay for this shit?? |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 12:31:48 PM EDT
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And there are MDs wanting it too. So they can make $70k a year and not have to worry about insurance. No malpractice either, meaning lawyers will be stuck out in the cold. Yeah, just wait for a Democrat to leave a trial lawyer stuck in the cold..... |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 12:37:50 PM EDT
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every time i turn on the radio and put it on 830 AM (our main news station here) it is chock full of liberal propaganda.
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Posted: 6/14/2009 1:20:23 PM EDT
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every time i turn on the radio and put it on 830 AM (our main news station here) it is chock full of liberal propaganda. List to 1280 am or 100.3 fm instead. |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 1:26:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/14/2009 1:30:06 PM EDT
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it's coming.
 
Guess how it will be paid for? fast food tax, sugar tax, pop tax, more alcohol, tax, health benefits tax, ect. ANd then part of it will have the govt regulating even more how you live your life. 
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Posted: 6/14/2009 1:37:13 PM EDT
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So Obama and his thugs are going to lower the quality of life for me and my family by sucking extra money out of my paycheck to pay for others medical costs. If you ask me we need to yell, scream, call, write, and march in the streets against this. This is nothing but class warfare bullshit. We need to get organized heavily NOW...
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Posted: 6/14/2009 1:43:16 PM EDT
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It'll also create even more of a two-tiered medical system.
The rich will recieve different care than the rest. There will be certain docs and facilities that won't take the government plan. Sort of like private schools. Everyone pays for the public schools, but the rich are able to double down, and pay for the higher quality private schools on top of that. This is what happened in Canada, and it was even outlawed for a while. |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 1:44:49 PM EDT
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It'll also create even more of a two-tiered medical system. The rich will recieve different care than the rest. There will be certain docs and facilities that won't take the government plan. Sort of like private schools. Everyone pays for the public schools, but the rich are able to double down, and pay for the higher quality private schools on top of that. This is what happened in Canada, and it was even outlawed for a while. So is this what private insurance would pay for? The better care at the better facilities? Or is this strictly out of pocket payments? |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 1:47:31 PM EDT
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And there are MDs wanting it too. So they can make $70k a year and not have to worry about insurance. No malpractice either, meaning lawyers will be stuck out in the cold. Actually, any element of tort reform is suspiciously lacking in the .gov health care proposals the Dims are discussing. Don't think for a minute the Dims will throw the Trial Lawyers under the bus. Correct. It will be working for less than half the pay, and you'll still have all the liability. 70K a year? that would be about 30 percent LESS than what I made as a military doc... and I would still have to pay my 35K-per-year malpractice insrance out of that. Sorry... they can get f*cked if that's their plan. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 1:59:30 PM EDT
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It'll also create even more of a two-tiered medical system. The rich will recieve different care than the rest. There will be certain docs and facilities that won't take the government plan. Sort of like private schools. Everyone pays for the public schools, but the rich are able to double down, and pay for the higher quality private schools on top of that. This is what happened in Canada, and it was even outlawed for a while. I seem to recall one of our resident Aussies saying that over 40% of their population had private health insurance. As for Canada, you've got to wonder about a country that has to make private insurance illegal. (Took their Supreme Court to overturn that, I believe.) |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 2:51:01 PM EDT
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I got a feeling the AMA was a big contributor to the Kenyan, so the docs and medical industry will probably be OK as long as the funds keep coming in. The big loser will be the people who have to use the system. Can anyone name one government program that works efficiently and well?
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Posted: 6/14/2009 2:52:48 PM EDT
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It is time for this to come to the USA 
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Posted: 6/14/2009 3:17:55 PM EDT
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It is time for this to come to the USA it is time for you to move to canda or england. 
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Posted: 6/14/2009 4:35:36 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: And there are MDs wanting it too. So they can make $70k a year and not have to worry about insurance. No malpractice either, meaning lawyers will be stuck out in the cold. Actually, any element of tort reform is suspiciously lacking in the .gov health care proposals the Dims are discussing. Don't think for a minute the Dims will throw the Trial Lawyers under the bus. Correct. It will be working for less than half the pay, and you'll still have all the liability. 70K a year? that would be about 30 percent LESS than what I made as a military doc... and I would still have to pay my 35K-per-year malpractice insrance out of that. Sorry... they can get f*cked if that's their plan. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile What will you do? You either have your federal health care worker card which allows you to work as a medical professional or you work in another field. A government large enough to provide you with everything is large enough to take everything away. |
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Posted: 6/14/2009 5:08:46 PM EDT
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It has gotten to the point that I cannot use words to express the level of sheer idiocy I see in our govt on a daily basis. So instead, I offer you this:
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Posted: 6/14/2009 5:13:34 PM EDT
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It is time for this to come to the USA
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Posted: 6/14/2009 5:16:41 PM EDT
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If you ask me we need to yell, scream, call, write, and march in the streets against this. What, at 7PM when most are done with their shifts and commute? Skip work to attend protests and you'll be in the cheese line too 
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