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Posted: 4/17/2002 4:31:59 PM EDT
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According to authorities, a loaded Glock .40 pistol was stored in the oven by the child’s grandmother who had discovered it in the kitchen. The gun discharged when the oven was turned on in order to heat up a pizza thats about the dumbest thing I have ever heard, how could she not have seen it? |
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Posted: 4/17/2002 4:32:17 PM EDT
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From Article:
Freak gun accident kills baby MILTON TOWNSHIP (NEWS 3) - A 5-month-old Cass County boy was shot to death when a gun that was being stored inside an oven discharged. The accident happened at a home on the 300 block of Fir Road in Milton Township near Edwardsburg at around 7:30 p.m. Tuesday. According to authorities, a loaded Glock .40 pistol was stored in the oven by the child’s grandmother who had discovered it in the kitchen. The gun discharged when the oven was turned on in order to heat up a pizza. The heat from the oven caused a bullet to be fired through the back of the oven. The bullet traveled 25 feet across the room and struck 5-month-old Dylan Goodwin in the head. The boy was on a couch for a diaper change. The boy was rushed to Lakeland Hospital in Niles but doctors were unable to save him. There could be charges in the case but no decision has been made yet. The information will then be handed over to the prosecutor’s office. Dumbass does come to mind but I think this would be considered an exteme case of bad luck. |
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Posted: 4/17/2002 4:33:31 PM EDT
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Quoted: According to authorities, a loaded Glock .40 pistol was stored in the oven by the child’s grandmother who had discovered it in the kitchen. The gun discharged when the oven was turned on in order to heat up a pizza thats about the dumbest thing I have ever heard, how could she not have seen it? Yeah, really! I mean, it's not like you have to pre-heat a microwave! She MUST have seen it when she (or whoever) put the damn pizza in the oven BEFORE turning it on. edited to add: OK, so LARRYG said microwave, not the article. However, if the gun discharged during the pre-heating stage of a conventional oven it's still no excuse! People are just STUPID. |
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Posted: 4/17/2002 4:35:02 PM EDT
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So much for "safe action"!!
edited to add that the story doesn't say anything about a microwave. |
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Posted: 4/17/2002 4:35:25 PM EDT
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yeah I'll have cheese, pepperoni, mushrooms, and a glock on my pizza.... Make that a loaded glock...
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Posted: 4/17/2002 4:39:20 PM EDT
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All Glocks must have a warning sticker stating "Do not pre-heat past 245 degrees!"
I bet that the investigation will find that the heat weakened the plastic, allowing the trigger to fall back, releasing the striker. |
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Posted: 4/17/2002 4:39:55 PM EDT
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Quoted: edited to add: OK, so LARRYG said microwave, not the article. However, if the gun discharged during the pre-heating stage of a conventional oven it's still no excuse! People are just STUPID. |
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Posted: 4/17/2002 4:40:52 PM EDT
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If the pistol had been a light-finish 1911 instead of a nearly invisible black Glock, this needless tragedy could have been avoided.
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Posted: 4/17/2002 4:42:30 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: edited to add: OK, so LARRYG said microwave, not the article. However, if the gun discharged during the pre-heating stage of a conventional oven it's still no excuse! People are just STUPID. It happens!! I read the whole article and posted a response before I caught it. |
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Posted: 4/17/2002 4:52:14 PM EDT
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I reckon you don't pre-heat your Glock and pizza at the same time.
Must have 'cooked-off' a round ! |
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Posted: 4/17/2002 5:23:37 PM EDT
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Damn, you got me all excited. I'd never heard of hiding a pistol in the oven so I ran out and checked mine and nothing was in it. I figured since I sure as hell had never used that oven the last owner of the house might have left a nice Broomhandle Mauser in there.
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Posted: 4/17/2002 5:26:35 PM EDT
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This reminds me of the Police Chief who hid his service pistol in the oven, and it discharged as well. Nobody was injured, and the Chief suspended himself.
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Posted: 4/17/2002 5:30:10 PM EDT
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This story is just that. A story. Pure B.S. IMO
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Posted: 4/17/2002 5:37:07 PM EDT
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I can see the anti-gun people screaming Ban ovens they kill !! BTW I wonder how hot the oven was. Did it say the Glock melted ?
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Posted: 4/17/2002 5:39:04 PM EDT
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There is probably no one more upset by this tragic event, than the grandmother.
I'm sure this woman must be racked with remorse and guilt, but, SOMEBODY had to have left the pistol in her kitchen in the first place. |
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Posted: 4/17/2002 5:42:26 PM EDT
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This happened a short distance from me. Very tragic indeed. But, everybody knows that you should hide your loaded semi auto pistol in the freezer not the oven.
Bob B |
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Posted: 4/17/2002 5:42:57 PM EDT
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Quoted: All Glocks must have a warning sticker stating "Do not pre-heat past 245 degrees!" I bet that the investigation will find that the heat weakened the plastic, allowing the trigger to fall back, releasing the striker. NOPE the primer cooked-off (no pun intended). They will explode when they reach a certain temperature, no need to strike the primer. |
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Posted: 4/17/2002 5:50:13 PM EDT
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Another statistic for the gun controllers. I wonder if it can be considered a firearms death, considering noone had physical possession at the time of discharge? It would have been the same outcome if it were a box of bullets and not a handgun.
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Posted: 4/17/2002 5:56:36 PM EDT
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Quoted: But, everybody knows that you should hide your loaded semi auto pistol in the freezer not the oven. Don't laugh - I used to put my (unloaded) Glock in the freezer when I went on vacation. Figured if we were robbed, they wouldn't look for anything in the freezer. |
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Posted: 4/17/2002 6:40:14 PM EDT
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The real question is....did it have a trigger lock. Everyone knows that trigger locks cure all gun problems.
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Posted: 4/17/2002 6:52:55 PM EDT
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I agree with neilfj. Trigger locks solve [b][u]all problems!!![/u][/b] (Intentional sarcasm alert!)
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Posted: 4/17/2002 7:02:15 PM EDT
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Quoted: It would have been the same outcome if it were a box of bullets and not a handgun. not likely, bullets do not travel with too much energy unless they are confined to a barrel. |
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Posted: 4/17/2002 7:03:13 PM EDT
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Quoted: This reminds me of the Police Chief who hid his service pistol in the oven, and it discharged as well. Nobody was injured, and the Chief suspended himself. That was the Madison, Wisconsin Police Chief that did that. It happened several years back as he was reheating Thanksgiving leftovers. He did suspend himself for a day without pay. Dumb-ass. But not much dumber than the people here trashing Glocks. The CARTRIDGE cooked off, not the gun. Wouldn't have mattered what the hell kind of gun it was. |
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Posted: 4/17/2002 7:32:30 PM EDT
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Freak Gun Accident... wrong! sheer stupidity. when will people wake up and realize that "accidents" don't happen with firearms. |
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Posted: 4/17/2002 7:36:54 PM EDT
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Quoted: This story is just that. A story. Pure B.S. IMO |
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Posted: 4/17/2002 7:42:21 PM EDT
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God Bless that poor little baby. What a horrible and tragic mistake with the worst imaginable consequences. [:(]
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Posted: 4/17/2002 8:38:37 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: According to authorities, a loaded Glock .40 pistol was stored in the oven by the child’s grandmother who had discovered it in the kitchen. The gun discharged when the oven was turned on in order to heat up a pizza thats about the dumbest thing I have ever heard, how could she not have seen it? Yeah, really! I mean, it's not like you have to pre-heat a microwave! She MUST have seen it when she (or whoever) put the damn pizza in the oven BEFORE turning it on. edited to add: OK, so LARRYG said microwave, not the article. However, if the gun discharged during the pre-heating stage of a conventional oven it's still no excuse! People are just STUPID. pre-heating a oven doesn require opening it. just turn it on. the heating element doesnt provide any real light. its sensible to check it before you turn it on but not everyone does, i dont usually. besides.. guns dont go off by themselves. they have top be cooked by idiots at the temp gauge.. |
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Posted: 4/17/2002 8:40:20 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: It would have been the same outcome if it were a box of bullets and not a handgun. not likely, bullets do not travel with too much energy unless they are confined to a barrel. i would guess 6" to 12" of and real forward travel before a serious amount of drop occured. or am i way off here? i havent test this and dont plan to. |
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Posted: 4/17/2002 8:55:16 PM EDT
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You guys are soooo dumb. Glocks are the same guns that are "invisible" to airport metal detectors. Obviously Grandma must have flipped on the "invisibility" switch by accident when she "safely" stored it in the oven where NOBODY could get to it. The only other SAFE location being the cookie jar.
Anyway, when the unsuspecting person turned on the oven he clearly could NOT have seen the Glock in the "invisible" mode. So obviously the people at fault are GLOCK. That damn invisible mode is more trouble than it is worth. Stupid Procelain Guns... |
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Posted: 4/17/2002 9:08:39 PM EDT
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Quoted: God Bless that poor little baby. What a horrible and tragic mistake with the worst imaginable consequences. [:(] Agreed. If the granny had shot herself - I'd be harping about how stupid she was too and goofing about silliness of the circumstances. But something about having a little boy myself- I find nothing to say here but that reading stories likes this doesn't fill me with anger, it just opens a deep empty pit of depressed sorrow inside me. All I can say is, it hurts me deeply for the loss of that little baby. |
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Posted: 4/17/2002 9:17:29 PM EDT
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Must have been one of those High Capacity Assault Ovens with a Flash supp. There should be a law.....When ovens are outlawed........
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Posted: 4/17/2002 9:25:12 PM EDT
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We need to ban all ovens....if this woman would not have had an oven this would have never occured.....remember..it's for the children!
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Posted: 4/17/2002 9:46:38 PM EDT
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Well, that is just great. I suppose by the end of tomorrow the A****** General of my great state will add a not going off while cooking with pizza test that all handguns have to pass before we can be allowed to buy them... For the children, of course.
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Posted: 4/18/2002 5:35:04 AM EDT
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Serving search warrants, I have found lots of guns and drugs in wierd places, especially refrigerators, freezers, ovens and fireplaces.
Why people do this, I have no idea. I guess it keeps them accessible but out of the way. Like I always say, if these folks were smart, they'd be rocket scientists and doctors. Makes me wonder about Grandma, in this instance. |
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Posted: 4/18/2002 6:14:46 AM EDT
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Quoted: All Glocks must have a warning sticker stating "Do not pre-heat past 245 degrees!" I bet that the investigation will find that the heat weakened the plastic, allowing the trigger to fall back, releasing the striker. That the gun was a Glock is irrelevant. Would have happened if it was a 1911, HK, or.... |
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Posted: 4/18/2002 6:25:02 AM EDT
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MH he was joking. dont get your panties in a bunch.
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Posted: 4/18/2002 6:29:22 AM EDT
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Quoted: MH he was joking. dont get your panties in a bunch. I know. |
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Posted: 4/18/2002 6:37:39 AM EDT
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I have two little girls - one's four and the other's two - and I could tell all kinds of stories about the goofy stuff they've put in the oven. They went through a stage right after the oldest learned how to open the oven, where we had to check every time we went to pre-heat the oven for something. Tupperware, dolls, toys - you name it, we've probably accidentally burnt it! Thankfully, I think we're past that now.
I think this goes straight to an issue my wife and I discussed. A time back, she voiced her desire to always have a loaded weapon accessible in the home. While this is certainly not a bad idea, she did not like my stipulation that the only way she could do it would be to carry it in a concealable holster with her all day. The way I look at it is this: We have a relatively small home, and if she's going to need a loaded weapon, she's going to need it fast. Going to the bedroom to get a weapon out of a lockbox may not be a feasible response. But with toddlers, there's no way I want a loaded weapon *ANYWHERE* out of the immediate control of a responsible adult. This poor grandma made a big mistake, and her family is suffering the consequences. It hurts my heart everytime I hear of an innocent child suffering - I know how dear mine are to me, and can't imagine the suffering this family must be going through. |
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Posted: 4/18/2002 7:01:03 AM EDT
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Quoted: Don't laugh - I used to put my (unloaded) Glock in the freezer when I went on vacation. Figured if we were robbed, they wouldn't look for anything in the freezer. DVDTracker, Nope, Freezer's a bad place to hide stuff. while doing research for an unrelated subject I read several interviews with criminals regarding their methodology and practices. The freezer is one of the first places criminals look when burgalarizing a home. Other popular and well known hiding places are; Under stair casings, in toilet tanks, under mattresses, in shoes, back of closets, in the fridge, in kitchen cabinets, behind books in shelves and under clothing in drawers. There were several other mentioned but the freezer was one of the most often mentioned. Now maybe if you wrap it in white paper and write "Liver, 1992" on it, they'll leave it alone...... |
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Posted: 4/18/2002 7:39:22 AM EDT
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Quoted: Now maybe if you wrap it in white paper and write "Liver, 1992" on it, they'll leave it alone...... My wife's vegetarian food might have scared them away. Soybeans, gardenburgers, etc.... [:)] No worry. Stuff goes in a nice Liberty safe now. |
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