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Posted: 12/17/2010 7:04:21 AM EDT
All sorts of good stuff coming from the Huffington Post lately.  

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/17/fox-news-viewers-are-the-_n_798146.html
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 7:06:23 AM EDT
[#1]
Catching up on news from Huffington Post, eh?
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 7:06:34 AM EDT
[#2]
In my mind, anything the HuffPo parrots is immediately suspect.
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 7:07:27 AM EDT
[#3]
Fuck Obama's whore writers.
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 7:07:33 AM EDT
[#4]
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In my mind, anything the HuffPo parrots is immediately suspect.


Well, given the fact that george soro's hand is usually up their ass making their mouths move, this is a pretty wise course of action.
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 7:08:56 AM EDT
[#5]
OOOOOK
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 7:09:28 AM EDT
[#6]
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 7:09:51 AM EDT
[#7]
Fox News= Does not follow the left wing bias= Misinformation according to Huffpo.



It isn't so much that Fox is right leaning, it is that everything else leans so far to the left.



<––––- Skeptical of everything said on tv. Listen to both sides, do independent research, then form an opinion.
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 7:11:44 AM EDT
[#8]
Look at the fucking stories they are using as examples.


-The economy is getting worse (26 points) Yeah, it's really improving.

––Most economists have estimated the health care law will worsen the deficit (31 points) It's not saving money by helping lower health care costs.

-Most economists estimate the stimulus caused job losses (12 points more likely) Half hasn't been spent and the other half didn't do jack shit. Job figures saved by the stimulus are largely fictional.
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 7:11:54 AM EDT
[#9]
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All sorts of good stuff coming from the Huffington Post lately.

Why do you read that shit?
It is literally like reading a piece of toilet paper you just used to wipe your ass from a particularly nasty diarrhea.

Pure liberal tripe.
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 7:12:50 AM EDT
[#10]
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Catching up on news from Huffington Post, eh?


I see things posted on FB and feel the need to share.  
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 7:13:00 AM EDT
[#11]
I wouldn't give the Huffington Post the web hits.

Link Posted: 12/17/2010 7:13:28 AM EDT
[#12]
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In my mind, anything the HuffPo parrots is immediately suspect.


Well, given the fact that george soro's hand is usually up their ass making their mouths move, this is a pretty wise course of action.


Link Posted: 12/17/2010 7:15:48 AM EDT
[#13]

A Note on the Question of What is "True”

A study of misinformation raises the somewhat delicate question of what is true. When dealing with

topics that have been highly politicized, it is common to default to the position that all perceptions are

relative and treatment of any position as more or less true is itself inherently political. We believe that

such a position is at odds with what is necessary for well-functioning democracy.  It is indeed very

important for a healthy democratic process to be open to a wide range of positions.  At the same time,

it is essential that there be means and institutions  for achieving consensus about key factors that

ultimately affect public policy decisions.

On a regular basis government economists come to conclusions about the state of the economy.  Such

conclusions influence key decisions in the private sphere, as well as government decisions.  Such

government economists should be,  and generally are, open to input from experts outside of

government in the course of coming to conclusions.  

In the course of this study, to identify "misinformation” among voters, we used as reference points

the conclusions of key government agencies that are run by professional experts and have a strong

Misinformation and the  December 9,   2010 Election

reputation for being immune to partisan influences.  These include the Congressional Budget Office,

the Department of Commerce, and the National Academy of Sciences.  We also noted efforts to

survey elite opinion, such as the regular survey of economists conducted by the Wall Street Journal;

however, we only used this as supporting evidence for what constitutes expert opinion.  





from that "study"




kind of self debunks
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 7:16:01 AM EDT
[#14]
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Well look at what they're talking about !

––Most economists estimate the stimulus caused job losses (12 points more likely) (long term yes - the devaluing of the dollar)

––Most economists have estimated the health care law will worsen the deficit (31 points) (it will)

––The economy is getting worse (26 points) (it is)

––Most scientists do not agree that climate change is occurring (30 points) (man made)

––The stimulus legislation did not include any tax cuts (14 points) (for me)

––Their own income taxes have gone up (14 points) (for me)

––The auto bailout only occurred under Obama (13 points) No that money was a loan - Bush did this - and much of the money was repaid with interest ... and given to the NY bankers.

––When TARP came up for a vote most Republicans opposed it (12 points) Some flipped.

––And that it is not clear that Obama was born in the United States (31 points)
Clear as to anybody has seen a real birth certificate


I think the problem is that if I were answering those questions I would default to what *I* believe.  I don't particularly care that *most scientists* believe in man-made global warming.  I think it's a crock and would answer that way.  

I understand that's not the point of the survey but I'm not sure I could answer any other way.
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 7:16:32 AM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
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All sorts of good stuff coming from the Huffington Post lately.

Why do you read that shit?
It is literally like reading a piece of toilet paper you just used to wipe your ass from a particularly nasty diarrhea.

Pure liberal tripe.


Keep your friends close...........
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 7:18:29 AM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
In my mind, anything the HuffPo parrots is immediately suspect.




HuffPo is the worst.  I am not a big fan of Fox News. The morning team is sappy as crap, the rest of the news is dead horse beating info with Hot chicks.  Hannity is a tool.  I like Beck, but thats about it.

I would not say Misinformed, I would say just crappy format for the most part.
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 7:19:42 AM EDT
[#17]
"WorldPublicOpinion.org is published by the Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA),"



PIPA "Sponsors include the Rockefeller Foundation, Tides Foundation and the Ford Foundation"




No far left, extremist, fringe, moonbat bias there at all. Nope, not a bit.
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 7:21:00 AM EDT
[#18]
I can recommend a postive aspect of the paper version of the Huffington post.  Its good for lining cat litter boxes.
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 7:23:29 AM EDT
[#19]



Quoted:




A Note on the Question of What is "True”

A study of misinformation raises the somewhat delicate question of what is true. When dealing with

topics that have been highly politicized, it is common to default to the position that all perceptions are

relative and treatment of any position as more or less true is itself inherently political. We believe that

such a position is at odds with what is necessary for well-functioning democracy.  It is indeed very

important for a healthy democratic process to be open to a wide range of positions.  At the same time,

it is essential that there be means and institutions  for achieving consensus about key factors that

ultimately affect public policy decisions.

On a regular basis government economists come to conclusions about the state of the economy.  Such

conclusions influence key decisions in the private sphere, as well as government decisions.  Such

government economists should be,  and generally are, open to input from experts outside of

government in the course of coming to conclusions.  

In the course of this study, to identify "misinformation” among voters, we used as reference points

the conclusions of key government agencies that are run by professional experts and have a strong

Misinformation and the  December 9,   2010 Election

reputation for being immune to partisan influences.  These include the Congressional Budget Office,

the Department of Commerce, and the National Academy of Sciences.  We also noted efforts to

survey elite opinion, such as the regular survey of economists conducted by the Wall Street Journal;

however, we only used this as supporting evidence for what constitutes expert opinion.  





from that "study"




kind of self debunks


Consensus <> Truth.



Information from government economists <> Truth.



Elite opinion <> Truth.



What a load of crap.



 
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 7:24:11 AM EDT
[#20]
Watching too much Fox News is is bad for your brain, just like too much Beck, Rush ... etc . Not much of  a news flash
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 7:24:51 AM EDT
[#21]
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In my mind, anything the HuffPo parrots is immediately suspect.




HuffPo is the worst.  I am not a big fan of Fox News. The morning team is sappy as crap, the rest of the news is dead horse beating info with Hot chicks.  Hannity is a tool.  I like Beck, but thats about it.

I would not say Misinformed, I would say just crappy format for the most part.


Honestly, other than Glenn Beck who I really like, I usually watch Fox Buisiness. Neil Cavuto's show in particular is usually pretty good.
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 7:27:20 AM EDT
[#22]
Quoted:
"WorldPublicOpinion.org is published by the Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA),"

PIPA "Sponsors include the Rockefeller Foundation, Tides Foundation and the Ford Foundation"

No far left, extremist, fringe, moonbat bias there at all. Nope, not a bit.


Tides = Soros

HuffPo = Soros

Hmmm, I wonder why they want to discount the people who watch Fox News?
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 7:36:45 AM EDT
[#23]
Quoted:
All sorts of good stuff coming from the Huffington Post lately.  

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/17/fox-news-viewers-are-the-_n_798146.html


I don't know anything about the Huffington Post but I must admit the Fox News I have seen over in the UK is bloody awful.

It's basically rant TV.  Don't get me wrong, it can be entertaining - It's Republican TV, and there's nothing worng with that, but it isn't a News channel.  It lacks the impartiality that news should have and fails to provide a balanced view which allows the viewer to make up their own mind.  Same thing goes for MSNBC.  I'm afraid that I find most US news channels to be politically biased, sensationalistic and have anchors that feel it is their duty to tell you how you should think.

The BBC is a left wing shithole, but in fairness they do try to present balanced reporting in their News programmes.  It's still senationalist Pap on the BBC 24hr news channel, but on BBC the news bulletins are OK.

Just my honest opinion FWIW
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 7:40:06 AM EDT
[#24]
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 7:45:36 AM EDT
[#25]



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I don't know anything about the Huffington Post but I must admit the Fox News I have seen over in the UK is bloody awful.



It's basically rant TV.  Don't get me wrong, it can be entertaining - It's Republican TV, and there's nothing worng with that, but it isn't a News channel.  It lacks the impartiality that news should have and fails to provide a balanced view which allows the viewer to make up their own mind.  Same thing goes for MSNBC.  I'm afraid that I find most US news channels to be politically biased, sensationalistic and have anchors that feel it is their duty to tell you how you should think.



The BBC is a left wing shithole, but in fairness they do try to present balanced reporting in their News programmes.  It's still senationalist Pap on the BBC 24hr news channel, but on BBC the news bulletins are OK.



Just my honest opinion FWIW




I would pick BBC America news coverage (on most topics) over either Fox or MSNBC.
I listen to BBC on XM once and a while.



While a leftist bias is pretty obvious, they discuss international issues and goings on that get no mention whatsoever in the US media. Not minor stuff either, listened to a story about the rapid expansion of Chinese interests in Africa that had me going WTF?, how come nobody in the US is talking about this?





 
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 7:53:56 AM EDT
[#26]
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I don't know anything about the Huffington Post but I must admit the Fox News I have seen over in the UK is bloody awful.

It's basically rant TV.  Don't get me wrong, it can be entertaining - It's Republican TV, and there's nothing worng with that, but it isn't a News channel.  It lacks the impartiality that news should have and fails to provide a balanced view which allows the viewer to make up their own mind.  Same thing goes for MSNBC.  I'm afraid that I find most US news channels to be politically biased, sensationalistic and have anchors that feel it is their duty to tell you how you should think.

The BBC is a left wing shithole, but in fairness they do try to present balanced reporting in their News programmes.  It's still senationalist Pap on the BBC 24hr news channel, but on BBC the news bulletins are OK.

Just my honest opinion FWIW


I would pick BBC America news coverage (on most topics) over either Fox or MSNBC.
I listen to BBC on XM once and a while.

While a leftist bias is pretty obvious, they discuss international issues and goings on that get no mention whatsoever in the US media. Not minor stuff either, listened to a story about the rapid expansion of Chinese interests in Africa that had me going WTF?, how come nobody in the US is talking about this?

 


Because American mainstream news has been dumbed down into entertainment tripe. Sad, but true. It's all about the ratings now.
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 7:59:33 AM EDT
[#27]
She is a representative of and uses the tactics of, the enemy.
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 8:00:36 AM EDT
[#28]
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I don't know anything about the Huffington Post but I must admit the Fox News I have seen over in the UK is bloody awful.

It's basically rant TV.  Don't get me wrong, it can be entertaining - It's Republican TV, and there's nothing worng with that, but it isn't a News channel.  It lacks the impartiality that news should have and fails to provide a balanced view which allows the viewer to make up their own mind.  Same thing goes for MSNBC.  I'm afraid that I find most US news channels to be politically biased, sensationalistic and have anchors that feel it is their duty to tell you how you should think.

The BBC is a left wing shithole, but in fairness they do try to present balanced reporting in their News programmes.  It's still senationalist Pap on the BBC 24hr news channel, but on BBC the news bulletins are OK.

Just my honest opinion FWIW


I would pick BBC America news coverage (on most topics) over either Fox or MSNBC.


Most foreign source reporting beats US-sourced reporting, to include propaganda outlets like Xinhua and Al-Jazzera.  The key with foreign stuff is understanding the underlying bias ("GLOBAL WARMING IS A FACT!!!") which is much more subtle than it is in the 24 hour News War in the US, where its not a question where the Big 3, Fox, MSNBC and others land.

Foreign sources are also good for background on esoterica, like the Huthi uprising in Yemen, because they generally do a good job of deeper analysis, because the US sources have to spend their time at a "Here is Yemen, this is President Saleh, Yemen is hot" level because of the intended audiences.  Most Arabs already know where Yemen is, are unsurprised its hot, and can pick Saleh out of a police lineup.  So, they'll sit there and lap up discussion and analysis of Houthis-as-Iranian-stooges.  So, you see that bias, and enjoy the grainy shakey-cam video that no Western network will show.

Basically, Foreign reporting is one step above deep gray-literature analysis in specialist literature for accessibility and situational awareness.  Just my take.
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 8:04:05 AM EDT
[#29]
Listening to XM TalkLeft for about an hour each day, I've come to the conclusion that the professional Left in this country sees Fox as their biggest threat, and will do anything to marginalize and demonize it.

Fox, for its part, will play into the stereotype, and validate the opponents Information Operations, because that's the trap the Right always fall into.

Link Posted: 12/17/2010 8:05:49 AM EDT
[#30]
I thought when I saw the thread title I would find myself defending the study, but wow - it looks - heck, clearly IS - horrifically biased and self serving.

You don't accurately assess general knowledge or level of "informed-ness" by asking only questions that directly relate to the purported biases of a given group.
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 8:11:13 AM EDT
[#31]
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All sorts of good stuff coming from the Huffington Post lately.  

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/17/fox-news-viewers-are-the-_n_798146.html


I don't know anything about the Huffington Post but I must admit the Fox News I have seen over in the UK is bloody awful.

It's basically rant TV.  Don't get me wrong, it can be entertaining - It's Republican TV, and there's nothing worng with that, but it isn't a News channel.  It lacks the impartiality that news should have and fails to provide a balanced view which allows the viewer to make up their own mind.  Same thing goes for MSNBC.  I'm afraid that I find most US news channels to be politically biased, sensationalistic and have anchors that feel it is their duty to tell you how you should think.

The BBC is a left wing shithole, but in fairness they do try to present balanced reporting in their News programmes.  It's still senationalist Pap on the BBC 24hr news channel, but on BBC the news bulletins are OK.

Just my honest opinion FWIW


What's your take on CNN International?

I don't watch much TV news - but when I have caught it I have been quite impressed.  I am sure perhaps the US-only version is much more infotainment oriented, but it really looks like CNN international is trying to sit above the fray, and compete head to head with BBC globally.
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 8:13:07 AM EDT
[#32]
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 8:17:56 AM EDT
[#33]
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In my mind, anything the HuffPo parrots is immediately suspect.


The study concludes that people are misinformed because, for example, they did not believe that the Obamacare legislation would reduce the deficit even though the CBO said that it would.

That's how the study concluded that these people are uninformed or misinformed...because they didn't believe the numbers Congress cooked up based on Hope and Change and nothing representing realistic assessments of costs or revenue. The study also concluded that people were misinformed about the stimulus because they didn't believe it was having the impact that the Obama administration promised it would have.

In short, the study is bitching because people aren't believing the bullshit information put out by government organs that are nothing more than blatantly political lies.

It's yet another example of liberals who insist that they have a lock on higher truth and objective fact, and anyone who dares question the underlying assumptions or calculations for the "scientific" information that they present is a mouth-breathing troglodyte who can't muster enough IQ to come in out of the rain.


To be fair, the questions were worded to ascertain the level of knowledge of the concensus among the *professionals*.  But you hit on why this is flawed.  Because people are going to answer in a way that reflects what their personal beliefs are––––-not what they believe the professionals believe.
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 8:18:50 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/17/2010 8:18:59 AM EDT
[#35]
The conclusion I get out of that, is that, most folks that watch fox news tend to think for themselves and reach thier own conclusions...right, wrong, or indifferent.  
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 8:19:23 AM EDT
[#36]
Propaganda much?
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 8:21:52 AM EDT
[#37]
Foxsnews is as middle of the road as you will find .
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 8:22:22 AM EDT
[#38]
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It's basically rant TV.


Fox has news programs and opinion programs. That retard Bill O'Reilly and people like that insufferably annoying Sean Hannity are opinion. Shows like the one Bret Baier does in the evenings are news. Every other dedicated news channel does the same thing.



Those "news programs" are few and far between.  In fact, I doubt most people watch them when they are on.  Admittedly, I couldn't tell you what is on that channel, but when I have found it wherever, I was not watching news.
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 8:24:36 AM EDT
[#39]
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 8:25:13 AM EDT
[#40]
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It's basically rant TV.


Fox has news programs and opinion programs. That retard Bill O'Reilly and people like that insufferably annoying Sean Hannity are opinion. Shows like the one Bret Baier does in the evenings are news. Every other dedicated news channel does the same thing.



Those "news programs" are few and far between.  In fact, I doubt most people watch them when they are on.  Admittedly, I couldn't tell you what is on that channel, but when I have found it wherever, I was not watching news.


You obviously caught Gretta or Shep or Geraldo .
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 8:28:37 AM EDT
[#41]


Edit:  Brought to you by Carl's Jr.
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 8:29:28 AM EDT
[#42]
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In my mind, anything the HuffPo parrots is immediately suspect.


The study concludes that people are misinformed because, for example, they did not believe that the Obamacare legislation would reduce the deficit even though the CBO said that it would.

That's how the study concluded that these people are uninformed or misinformed...because they didn't believe the numbers Congress cooked up based on Hope and Change and nothing representing realistic assessments of costs or revenue. The study also concluded that people were misinformed about the stimulus because they didn't believe it was having the impact that the Obama administration promised it would have.

In short, the study is bitching because people aren't believing the bullshit information put out by government organs that are nothing more than blatantly political lies.

It's yet another example of liberals who insist that they have a lock on higher truth and objective fact, and anyone who dares question the underlying assumptions or calculations for the "scientific" information that they present is a mouth-breathing troglodyte who can't muster enough IQ to come in out of the rain.


To be fair, the questions were worded to ascertain the level of knowledge of the concensus among the *professionals*.  But you hit on why this is flawed.  Because people are going to answer in a way that reflects what their personal beliefs are––––-not what they believe the professionals believe.


Not necessarily, but a network that goes out of its way to air the opinions of that minority of professionals with dissenting opinions is arguably likely to cause a perception distortion in the audience about just how many people believe that.

The reverse is also true - someone who only watched channels where the majority opinion is presented as fact will have no reason to think ANY professionals doubt it, even when some do.

In fact, make that slight change to the questions - and you will probably flip-flop the supposed "findings."

Example:  Some climate experts believe man made Global Warming is a politically driven, scientifically unproven, hypothesis.

I would bet that the Fox news audience is more likely to know this is true, whereas others would be more likely to think nobody questions man-made global warming except crazies on the internet.
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 8:29:38 AM EDT
[#43]
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 8:34:03 AM EDT
[#44]
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Fox has news programs and opinion programs. That retard Bill O'Reilly and people like that insufferably annoying Sean Hannity are opinion. Shows like the one Bret Baier does in the evenings are news. Every other dedicated news channel does the same thing.
[/quote]

It seems that most libs are too stupid to know the difference between the news shows and the opinion shows. - I also don't listen to O'Reilly or Hannity!

PS: I used to listen to NPR on my hour plus drive to work every morning. NPR had more blatant lies stated as news that I have heard anywhere else, but of course I could only stomach MSNBC a couple of times and every quote I hear from Huffington is so biased I have never been inclined visit their site. CNN news is balanced but their opinion shows lean more left than Fox leans right.
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 8:34:51 AM EDT
[#45]
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It's basically rant TV.


Fox has news programs and opinion programs. That retard Bill O'Reilly and people like that insufferably annoying Sean Hannity are opinion. Shows like the one Bret Baier does in the evenings are news. Every other dedicated news channel does the same thing.



Those "news programs" are few and far between.  In fact, I doubt most people watch them when they are on.  Admittedly, I couldn't tell you what is on that channel, but when I have found it wherever, I was not watching news.


You obviously caught Gretta or Shep or Geraldo .


Last Fox show I caught was an O'Reilly episode, before that was Hannity ( I remember thinking, "what happened to Colmes?")  Those seem to be the ones most common on AFN, probably due to higher ratings in the States.  I have also caught Fox on satellite in other regions, and it was always some crazy sensationalistic crap about a lost kid or some trial.  I remember thinking, "surely, they give a recap of major news events at the top of the hour" but I was mistaken.  At the time, I did not have internet access and was trying to learn about something I had just heard from a cabbie.  I ended up catching it on TVE (Spanish).  I can't for the life of me remember what it was now, but it was pretty significant.  I think maybe it was when Medvedev sacked Luzhkov.
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 8:40:37 AM EDT
[#46]
Holmes was ousted for coming across as a Liberal "Skeletor" and blind support of Far Left on issues that exposed him as a hack .
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 8:46:55 AM EDT
[#47]
FoxNews watchers < Walmart shoppers
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 8:48:28 AM EDT
[#48]
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FoxNews watchers < Walmart shoppers


MSNBC/CNN watchers < Rainbow Flag wavin GLBT  Parade watchers
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 8:58:59 AM EDT
[#49]
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FoxNews watchers < Walmart shoppers


Pissed you can't find sustainably grown, free range, locally produced chicken at the Wally World?
Link Posted: 12/17/2010 9:00:07 AM EDT
[#50]
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FoxNews watchers < Walmart shoppers


Pissed you can't find sustainably grown, free range, locally produced chicken at the Wally World?


Or your bulk Rimfire ammo at Walgreens ?
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